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New PS5 Backward Compatibility Patent Filed By Sony Tries To Emulate Bus Operation Of Legacy Devices

The patent was published yesterday and is registered to Sony Interactive Entertainment. It further lists one of the inventors to be Mark Cerny, the lead architect of the PS4. Cerny is assumed to be leading development of the PS5 as well.

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ArchangelMike2313d ago

I hope it means we'll get 4K enhanced backwards compatible PS2 games. I would love to play Herdy Gerdy again! https://www.youtube.com/wat...

GaboonViper2312d ago

I wanna play the Getaway again.

Lore2312d ago

Yup also waiting for that 8 Days Re-reveal

SkatterBrain2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

Midnight Club 3 Dub Edition Remix, this ,i need This in 4K

Godmars2902312d ago

Can you even do several upgrade levels of graphics from a base of 480p?

Kribwalker2312d ago

The OneX does and it’s prefty amazing

Atticus_finch2312d ago

Krib I don't think the x can run Ps2 games.

solidossnakos2312d ago

Atticus
Pretty sure he means first xbox

ILostMyMind2312d ago

No, you would need a remastering treatment like MS does in XB.

ZeroX98762312d ago

after seeing what MS did with the Xbox One BC of the first Xbox, I'm seriously hoping that Sony can do something similar to it. I don't have big hopes for PS3 titles being BC on PS5, but just PS4 titles and I would be happy. PS2 and PS1 shouldn't be too hard to implement with the extra hardware performance they'll gain with the next gen console.

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fr0sty2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

Rendering a ps2 game at 4k would look like a blurry mess unless than re-created every texture for the game for 4k resolution. The geometry will be 4k (though blocky by today's standards), the textures, not so much.

UltraNova2312d ago

Without new textures the image will look like a soup gone bad..in 4K.

tontontam02312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

The good thing is if you actually read the article before talking like you know everything, you would've seen that a possible solution regarding the textures is stated in the article.

fr0sty2312d ago

The good thing is, I did read the article, and HD texture packs have been talked about many times before, however they will only get released for the most popular games, most will still have sub-SD textures.

starchild2312d ago

It still looks better than running those games at low resolutions. Using PS2 emulators on PC I'm able to play my PS2 games at very high resolutions and it definitely makes them look a lot better.

traumadisaster2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

Where do you get your first hand experience from this? I've been 4k gaming for years on pc and one of my hobbies is getting old games to render at high resolution, so I've seen a lot.

These old games will never compete with new games, surly you understand this. Old games at high resolution gives a little bump for fans of the original, it is better. Textures and extra processing from the system are also nice.

It's already a blurry mess, but increasing resolution helps, not hurts as you seem to say not to give us better resolution if we can't have better textures??? Take what you can get man.

Cobra9512312d ago

Just take a look at what has been achieved in the 8-16-bit-console emulation scene. There are a multitude of upscaling filters which range from simple softening to CRT emulation to smart sharpening through interpolation. And those creative people aren't even pros. Do you really think Sony will let upscaled old games look like "a blurry mess"?

rainslacker2312d ago

They filed a patent about 6 months ago which allowed for upgrading without changing the original code. Basically acted as an intermediary to a new set of assets whenever an original set was used from the storage medium.

That said, could just be a simple matter of upscaling, and not every game would need to have tons of enhancements, because you'll get more support if you don't require work to actually release a BC title, assuming publisher approval is needed. I play DVD's sometimes, and the TV has no problem upscaling them, and often even makes them look better, so it's not absolutely vital that work be put into them. Same thing when you watch over the air TV which still might broadcast older shows in 480.

tontontam02312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

"The good thing is, I did read the article, and HD texture packs have been talked about many times before, however they will only get released for the most popular games, most will still have sub-SD textures."

I don't get what you are trying to point out.

Are you trying to say you want devs to do extra work for you on all of the games you have for free?

or you don't want BC and prefer remasters or remake?

or do you know some secret hidden technology that can magically upscale all the assets of an old game?

or you are just trying to shit on what sony is doing?

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Dirtnapstor2312d ago

I would prefer to stick with the b/c of PS4 games. My issue is rendering resolutions onto a 1080p or 4K TV. I can play PS1 & 2 games on my PS3. They look like crap on my big TV, whereas if I plug into a small 24”er, they look pretty good. I would expect similar visual quality issues stepping down from the P5 to the PS3 or 2 level.

Cobra9512312d ago

That's one of the multiple issues 4K has. Very little content that we care about was designed for that many pixels. Personally, I think if you must have a 4K screen, then it needs to have stellar upscaling algorithms baked right in. (If lower resolutions "look like crap", it doesn't qualify.)

remixx1162312d ago

Klonoa 2 luteana's veil for me, can't wait!!!

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Razzer2313d ago

Pretty much confirms BC for PS5, imo. PS4 at the minimum, obviously, but the real question is what "legacy" consoles will be "emulated" as the article suggests? I'm not suggesting PS3, but PS1 and PS2? Will it allow to run from disc? Still a lot of questions.

badz1492312d ago

the PS2 would be nice. and they can sell those PS2 classics again on PS Store for $10 each or something. I don't reckon they are gonna make the PS5 reads PS2 discs natively

UltraNova2312d ago

3.99/ps1, 6.99 /ps2, 9.99 /ps3

solidossnakos2312d ago

I think its more of licensing the game again problem
For example most music in games is licensed for couple of years

TheRacingX2312d ago

Why not? SONY fanboys have been rebuying PS1 & PS2 games over and over again since the PS3....remove back compat on PS3 , buy them again........added "acheivements" on the same games for the PS4...buy them again.....added PS5-ness to make them playable ...... buy them again..... SONY has become a cash grab.... free online play, now incorporated into PS+ for $60....back compat PS3/2/1 games... worked into PS now for $20 or whatever a month..... among other things

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rainslacker2312d ago

@TheRacingX

And if the option was available on 360 last gen, Xbox fan boys would be doing it as well. Very few games were released through PS2 classics, and work had to be put in to add achievements, so it's not exactly like you are describing. Also, PS1 games were playable without having to buy them on every PS3, so if they were rebrought, that was either because people didn't have them, or just wanted a digital copy.

This gen, there haven't been enough remasters or re-releases to really say it's something that Sony is milking the customers on, because realistically, Sony would make more money if they offered up BC through digital, because they'd make money off PSN sales. But that big of logic often is lost on those who claim Sony is trying to use PSNow for BC, or insinuate that Sony is releasing tons of remasters, which they really aren't.

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TheUndertaker852312d ago

If PS4 is any indication this is likely not for disc based support. PS4 chose to eliminate out the CD diode in its Blu-Ray drive resulting in no possibility of PSOne disc based compatibility. DVD support was also an afterthought on PS4, not added until after launch.

Razzer2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

This isn’t about PS4 so none of that is even relevant, now is it?

darthv722312d ago

@razzer, it means if Sony uses the same lasers in the 5 as they did the 4 then it would have limited scope of BC support for PS2 (DVD only) games. And no CD diode means no PS1 disc games at all.

TheUndertaker852312d ago

@Razzer: Yeah, right? The removal of the CD diode to cut costs over having more functionality with the current console definitely holds no relevance to the next console. /s

Plus PlayStation fans such as yourself have been going on about not needing “old content”, even disregarding the fact PS4 has no CD diode for physical CD playback. The same CDs that PSOne titles were pressed on. Further DVD wasn’t available on PS4 out of the box showing how much priority they put on DVD.

PS2 titles were pressed on DVD discs.

So please do tell me. How is it irrelevant to point out that 1) Sony moved away from CD and fans chalked it up to “old games” 2) Sony was already shying away from DVD early in the gen and 3) That if PS5 has no CD diode like PS4 doesn’t and they choose to get rid of the DVD diode as well to cut down costs again as they’ve done then physical content will literally be impossible

And if that’s not enough:
“I'm not suggesting PS3, but PS1 and PS2? Will it allow to run from disc?”
Sure not relevant to questions you yourself asked. 🙄

rainslacker2312d ago

You make assumptions that it will be digital with nothing other than one case of the CD Diode not being included in the PS4's laser assembly, then criticize others who also make an assumption that they might include it.

Seems kind of hypocritical of you.

Plus, there is nothing to say they didn't include the proper laser spectrum in the laser itself, because all BR diodes should be capable of it. They just didn't enable it on the hardware level, and to date, there has been no verification if the PS4 laser could read CD's or not. I thought it wasn't for a while, which is why I said PS2 BC may also be troublesome, because some PS2 games were released on CD.

You may be right that it may be digital only, but it's still assumption about what Sony might do. It's even an assumption that Sony will bother with BC in the PS5.

TheUndertaker852312d ago

@rainslacker: “You make assumptions that it will be digital with nothing other than one case of the CD Diode not being included in the PS4's laser assembly”
Uh, where once did I say anything about digital only? The Blu-Ray diode will likely still be present for PS4/PS5 games. PS3 games will likely remain a pain. However if Sony includes backwards compatibility for PSOne they either have to include in a diode they chose to leave out to keep costs lower or they can offer digital only. With Sony also shying away from DVD at launch one could gather they really didn’t take the DVD format seriously either for current gen. As this gen has advanced too PlayStation owners in particular have said they don’t need nor use such old content or formats anyway. So to cut costs again there’d be no reason not to remove the DVD diode from a corporate perspective.

“Plus, there is nothing to say they didn't include the proper laser spectrum in the laser itself, because all BR diodes should be capable of it.”
Yes, there is. Check components listed as being a part of PS4. There is no CD capability in the PS4 Blu-Ray drive. Again, simply to cut costs. Plus did you just try to tell someone how things are then say “should”? Should does not equal do and if you look up Blu-Ray drives you will find out that some variations support CD, DVD, and Blu-Ray. Some support all those and 4K. Some, however, drop CD support or DVD support. Some drives support strictly Blu-Ray. That’s not how it should be, that’s how it is.

I don’t find it hypocritical to point out Sony’s choices so far as a basis for their decisions going forward. They prioritized cutting costs a little and it cost them physical CD support along with any physical PSOne titles. As you said as well it cost them more because even some PS2 games were pressed on CD.

Not to mention the message has been it’s more lucrative and profitable for them to stick with a “remake”, “remaster”, or “classic” kind of model.

I do agree with you on that however. I don’t see a single guarantee of backwards compatibility on PS5. Fans have said they don’t want it or use it. Then it’s better for Sony to stick with the model they have now from a corporate perspective. The fans are saying they’re happy without it, the company gains more profits.

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Mystogan2312d ago

I thought PS fans don't want to play old games? 🤔

Foxhound9222312d ago

Don't think anyone ever said that but keep trying to move the goal posts. PS fans have been saying that playing old games is a nice feature but a very insignificant compared to having new, exciting exclusives.

Elda2312d ago

Personally for me BC is a plus but not needed,when the PS5 releases I'm buying day one with or without BC.

Dark_Knightmare22312d ago

I don’t think that’s what ps fans said but you knew that. I don’t care about playing older games really but it will be a nice feature to have in the beginning of the gen when game releases are few and far between.

tontontam02312d ago

I play old games once in a while when I feel like it, xbox fanboys play old games because they have no other choice.

TheSaint2312d ago

Going to need you to prove that.

badz1492312d ago

TROLL much? all I heard from the most vocal PS fanboys, at least on this site, is "BC is not a selling feature for PS4", "BC is not going to make the xbone outsell the PS4" and "BC is good to have but far from a must-have".

I play old games all the time despite the PS4 having no BC. the millions of PS3 sold didn't just stop working after Sony launched the PS4, you know. If I'm THAT poor that I don't have big enough space to fit 2 consoles, I can't afford gaming to begin with where I live. the PS3 is still the better media player than the PS4 too. so there's still a reason to keep it turned on aside from playing its games.

personally, I will keep the same narrative with the PS5. BC is nice to have and it's looking like Sony is seriously considering it now with all these patents, but it's definitely not one of the features that will tick me off from buying if it's not there day 1. PS is about the games and I haven't been let down since the PS2.

p/s: I can't wait for Medievil.

starchild2312d ago

Actually, Foxhound922, some people did say that. That they don't care about playing old games. Others tried to downplay it by saying "just keep your old console" or a variety of other silly things. The overall message from them was it's basically an unimportant feature that does next to nothing to make platforms like PC and Xbox One more attractive.

I'm not saying every PS4 owner was saying those things because there were a number of PS4 owners, including myself, who were saying it's an important feature that we would like to have. But the majority of hardcore Sony fanboys on this site most definitely were downplaying it to the point of insignificance. To say otherwise is pure revisionist history BS.

DerekTweed2312d ago

@Foxhound922

I've seen lots of people say exactly that in articles about Xbox Backwards Compatibility.

Z5012312d ago

If PS fanS said that. You would surely have links to sources.
...i'll wait

Razzer2312d ago

"But the majority of hardcore Sony fanboys on this site most definitely were downplaying it to the point of insignificance. To say otherwise is pure revisionist history BS."

There is no way you can actually back that statement up so how can there be "revisionist history" of something you haven't even established to be true other than just pulling it out of your ass?

Mystogan2312d ago

I love how yall are acting stupid now. As if you didn't agree with this guy.
https://thekoalition.com/vi...

Mystogan2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

Comments here, most are defending him. Those that are for BC get disagrees.
http://n4g.com/news/2066596...

And look at the disagrees to those that are against him.
https://n4g.com/news/206509...

Razzer2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

lol....what point do you think you are making exactly? Just generalizing PS fans? Posting a link and yapping "look at the agrees/disagrees!" is just silly and ignorant.

salmonade2312d ago

Not PS3 or older. But PS4? Of course we want to play PS4 games. Now get lost

Outside_ofthe_Box2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

@Mystogan

The links you provided actually proves foxhounds922's point.

No one is saying that they "***don't*** ***want*** to play old games" like you are saying/generalizing.
They're saying exactly what Foxhound922 said "playing old games is a nice feature but a very insignificant compared to having new, exciting exclusives"

If you want to say that is 'downplaying' it, I guess you have a point, but to say that they are saying that they 'don't want it at all' is false.

@starchild

***"But the majority of hardcore Sony fanboys on this site most definitely were downplaying it to the point of insignificance. To say otherwise is pure revisionist history BS."***

How about this, I'll agree that it is revisionist history if you admit that 'the majority of hardcore MS fanboys on this site most definitely were downplaying exclusives to the point of insignificance and to say otherwise is pure revisionist history BS' too.
Because I could literally take exactly what you wrote in your first paragraph about PS fans and BC to say the same about MS fans and exclusives to paint the same picture and I would be using your own words and not mine to prove the point, so you'd have no choice but to agree lol.

Smitty20202312d ago

i play loads of old games n my sega n snes get used alot

chiefJohn1172312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

PS fans did say that exact thing y'all can't deny it. Lol look at nightmare he said ps fans never said that then his very next sentence is "I don't care about playing older games" 😂

I'm not letting y'all getting away with this I said it before, when the ps5 announce BC I better not see y'all celebrating lol. surprise surprise look what I see. 🥞 flipping that pancake lol "just keep your old console" "who wants to play old games?"

darthv722312d ago

@salmon... then play them on the PS4. Like many other PS fans have said in respect to BC (or lack thereof).

shinoff21832312d ago

Pretty sure no one said that. I think alot was pointed out that the only reason x did it was to try and underhand sony, and the fact they didnt have much else going for them this generation. They didnt listen to fans, they were losing their asses so they hail married.

Razzer2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

"PS fans did say that exact thing y'all can't deny it"
"Like many other PS fans...."

Oh....since we are generalizing like morons then Xbox fans said exclusives don't matter, now didn't they? And yet MS has all these new studios that "ya'll" brag about. So "ya'll" seem to be flip-flopping just as much, huh?

That kind of talk is just so ignorant. All these broad fanboy generalizations. Somehow you actually believe all PS fans are 100% against BC entirely, huh? Well.....that is just your own ignorance on display.

Yui_Suzumiya2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

Bet you also think all PS fans throw their old console out the window or down the stairs the minute they buy a new console. Lol

S2Killinit2312d ago

I think you xbox fans are confusing issues. Its nice to have BC (especially for a library like PS4’s) but its not a replacement for quality games.

rainslacker2312d ago

I thought MS fans kept repeating your argument and being corrected on it for years now too only to act ignorant the next time the topic comes up to try and insinuate that PS fans are hypocrites because they have no better argument about the topic than to try and insult PS fans.

Only one of us thought right though. And it isn't you.

Juvia2312d ago

No one ever said that, dummy.

Thundercat772312d ago

You don't understand. BC is a good feature AT THE START of a new console because it helps the transition. Once that console have a strong library. BC doesn't matter.

starchild2312d ago

@razzer

I'm not interested in trying to prove anything to people like you. No weight of logic or facts could ever convince you of anything. Ideologues already have their mind made up. Rational, open-minded people will want to know the truth and they'll go dig up the previous articles themselves or probably have already noticed it themselves anyway. Many people have.

And yes, we're speaking in general. That's obvious. The majority of people that go around hyping up everything Sony does and bashing other platforms were generally the same people trying to downplay backwards compatibility as a nearly worthless feature. There certainly weren't very many of those people in there telling the other fanboys they were wrong and that it is indeed a great feature they would like to see. There were a few that did, but the majority downplayed it or upvoted those comments.

@S2Killinit
"I think you xbox fans are confusing issues.
Its nice to have BC (especially for a library like PS4’s) but its not a replacement for quality games."

I'm not an Xbox fan. Don't own an Xbox and don't plan to own one. I argue in favor of backwards compatibility because it's a very desirable feature to me. I love it on the PC and I would love to have it on the PS5 too. I always try to stand up for what's right, regardless of platform preferences or any of that.

Your comment is a red herring anyway. I want backwards compatibility and it has nothing to do with what Microsoft is or isn't doing. There's no relationship between having BC and not having good exclusives. It's not like if Microsoft does away with BC they'll suddenly have good exclusives. Their problem in that area is unrelated. And if Sony adds BC it's not like they'll suddenly stop having good exclusives. A person can easily want and value both.

Trying to make excuses for your downplaying of one feature just because you want to arbitrarily pit them against each other as if they were mutually exclusive doesn't make it any better. I want good games (including exclusives) and backwards compatibility. There's no reason we can't have both.

When somebody says something like "backwards compatibility is nice but it's not a selling feature for a platform" they're just trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth. It's a kind of doublespeak. They want to downplay the feature as much as possible in the here and now but still insert words that they can later point back to as proof that they always thought it had value as soon as their favorite platform gets it. But any rational person would recognize that if something is "nice" it has value, and if it has value it most certainly can help sell a platform.

The fact that the PC has backwards compatibility is one of the aspects that sold me on the platform and continues to bring me back to it. I would never call something "nice" and then turn around and say it's basically insignificant and has no bearing on my purchasing decision. That's just contradictory gibberish.

derek2312d ago

I'm a ps fan and I never play old gen games once I get the latest console, which I'll be getting day 1.

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Profchaos2312d ago

Theoretically it would be capable of PS3 emulation

conanlifts2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

The other question is will they allow you to port your digital catalogue for free, or will they charge you.

JackBNimble2312d ago

Why would they charge you to play games from your existing library?
It would surely hurt the brand to pull a stunt like that.

MrVux0002312d ago

"Will it allow to run from disc?"

This is the main concern for me aswell. While i do have a fair share of digital games for my PS4, the majority of games are still physical.

ILostMyMind2312d ago

I think so for PS4 games. For others, just digital.

thexmanone2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

There will be BC, but it will be through a paid service. That's why there is PSNow.

Razzer2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

PS Now is transforming into a service like Game Pass so nope.

darthv722312d ago

@razzer... so another thing Sony is copying MS on. I guess they wanted PSN to be like Live so they went from free to paid and now they want PSNow to be like GP so they made some games downloadable. Are they going to add day one titles as well?

It's like that old song and dance. Anything you can do, I can do better.

Razzer2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

@darthv72

I guess. Much like MS buying studios to compete with Sony first party, huh? Or ditching Kinetc because PS4 didn't force a camera in the box that jacked the price up? Or launching One X because the base model was getting beat constantly in visuals? If you want to go that route then do it both ways.

So yeah. These companies are constantly evaluating what the others are doing and adapting if they see a chance to take or negate tactical advantages.

salmonade2312d ago

It has to have BC PS4.. PS3 games look like crap. The majority think so. But PS4??? My goodness, it needs PS4 bc, and I'm 99% sure it will have that. So PS5 day 1 for me

Cobra9512312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

PS4 is an absolute given. That was never in question. PS1 and PS2 are possible to emulate entirely in software on modern PC hardware (and PS5 will definitely be in that class). The more interesting question is PS3. Can they tackle the Cell architecture (reliably at full speed) with a combination of new hardware tricks and software emulation?

tontontam02312d ago

I would prefer if they sell it again, xbox fanboys think that ps gamers are rebuying the games but most of the sales of classic games goes to those people who made the wrong and bought a sega saturn instead of a ps1 and an xbox instead of a ps2.

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Tesal2312d ago

It will be a day 1 buy for many if the PS5 will have a full PS4 BC for games + PS1/PS2.

+ at least a PS3 emulation support 'n let it up to the developer/publishers to emulate or not their old PS3 titles

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Eidolon2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

I doubt PS1/PS2 emulation is a major buying factor for people buying a PS5. I mean at that point it's like, dude get a damn PS2/PS1 for like $30 or just emulate on a PC. Sony could have added that at launch, but they still bought a damn PS4. Want your digital PS1/ PS2 library, get a PSP/Vita(PS1) or PS2(PS1/PS2) for way cheaper than a PS5. Want PS4 games, stick with PS4. If you want PS5 games though, get a PS5. If you plan to turn in or sell your PS4 for a PS5, and PS5 supports PS4 games, Bad ass, save some money, and some living space. PS3 emulation is not going to be a thing, at least not at launch, I think probably never.

starchild2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

It is certainly a major buying factor for me. It's the difference between me possibly moving over to doing all my gaming on the PS5 or simply buying it to play a handful of exclusives. I will never consider any platform without backwards compatibility for my main gaming platform.

Right now I own a PC and a PS4 Pro. I play all my multiplats and PC exclusives on my PC and use my PS4 Pro to play Sony exclusives. There's a small chance Sony could win me over and get me gaming only on the PS5 but it would require a number of positive changes on their part. One of them being full backwards compatibility. It's one thing I love about the PC and I would never do most of my gaming on a platform without it.

I absolutely despise the argument that "you can just keep your old console hooked up". Yes, you could, but there are a variety of reasons I don't want to. Just like I COULD use a stand-alone GPS unit, flashlight, calculator and camera, but I'd much rather just use my phone. People love convergence. We want simplicity, efficiency and convenience. I don't have enough space around my TV for that many different devices and I don't like the clutter anyway. My $500 backward compatible PS3 started artifacting and eventually died. I don't want to try to find another one and pay for it, nor have it connected to my TV along with a PS4, PS5 and numerous other devices.

Eidolon2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

So PS1/PS2 games are a huge factor for moving on to a PS5, even though PS4 doesn't support them? Get the fuck out of here with that. Move on. Is it a PLUS, sure, but is it going to sell 50% or even 10% more consoles. Fuck no. If it doesn't support PS4 games, well that is another story, and I have high hopes that it will support 100% of the PS4 library, but it will be pretty major blow to sales if it doesn't or at least, it could sell a lot better if it does. And I think it will.

salmonade2312d ago

Of course IT IS NOT a huge buying factor at all for the vast majority of gamers. But PS4 BC is for EVERYONE who owns a PS4. The games look amazing on PS4. PS3 games look like crap. Try playing Red Dead 1 after playing Red Dead 2... I tried, and it was just too much. I couldn't play more than 5 minutes

Outside_ofthe_Box2312d ago (Edited 2312d ago )

@starchild

"There's a small chance Sony could win me over and get me gaming only on the PS5 but it would require a number of positive changes on their part. One of them being full backwards compatibility."

Only a ***small*** chance? Why are you downplaying the significance of BC!!! /s -.-

shinoff21832312d ago

Problem is is thats just you talking. Sony can do whatever it wants. At this point adding ps1 and ps2 to ps5 should be a cinch. I definitely can see sony doing this.

starchild2312d ago

I'm not saying it has to be a huge selling point for everyone, but it's a fairly big one for me. And I think it's a selling point for most gamers to one degree or another. I don't think any single factor is going to sell 50% more consoles, Eidolon. It's always a combination of positive factors that helps a platform sell well.

For me to choose a gaming platform as my main platform I need to feel like I have access to a large library including older games and current games. And I also need to know that my current games will carry forward with me when I buy the next iteration of the hardware.

That's what I already get on PC, but Sony does have some great exclusives and I'm getting older and just had my first son so I'm kind of mulling over the possibility of just going to a single platform next generation. That's what I meant by saying there's a small chance that I would consider doing all my gaming on PS5 if it ticks enough boxes that matter to me. Remember the PC already has full backwards compatibility. I don't want to feel like I'm giving up too much if I go pure PS5 next gen.

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The director of the original Silent Hill: “I look forward to seeing bold interpretations.”

Keiichiro Toyama—the creator and original director of the 1999 Silent Hill—shared his personal thoughts on the recently announced remake by Konami, reflecting on what the project means to him after more than two decades:
“I felt something similar when the game was adapted into a movie. It deeply moved me to see the names of the characters and locations I had created come to life visually, even though I wasn’t directly involved. That wouldn’t have been possible without the continued support of the fans and the dedication of the developers who’ve kept the series alive.
I’m really looking forward to seeing how the remake evolves this time. With the advanced technology we now have, I’m sure I’ll be surprised by how the game is reimagined. Since the original was built for the first PlayStation, there will naturally be challenges—like the camera and controls—but I’m eager to see bold and creative solutions to those elements.”

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senorfartcushion2d ago

Haha Not only is bold and creatively not what the industry wants, it’s not what most people want.

They want to get scammed and pay twice for a thing they already own.

jznrpg1d 5h ago

I’m sure many would want bold and creative done well, but that’s easier said than done. I like variety so give me a little bit of everything, done well of course.

Nightcrawler892d ago

Hope they use his vision in the game

Inverno2d ago

Was the SH2 remake even bold? Or was it more or less just a 1 to 1 over the shoulder remake?

Scissorman1d 14h ago

it was not. it greatly expanded the areas and puzzles to the point where it felt like an entirely new game. the enemies and boss fights were given a MASSIVE upgrade. the abstract daddy fight in particular was incredible. and the team added two new endings.

Pedrof2d ago

I wouldn't hold my breath on "bold".

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Microsoft Confirms Next-Gen Xbox Consoles, Deal With AMD and Promises Full BC

Microsoft has announced a partnership with AMD to power the next generation of Xbox, including its first-party future Xbox consoles.

darthv725d ago

Me thinks the Xbox 8k will be UDNA based.

Obscure_Observer5d ago

This thing is gonna be *expensive* and extremely powerful!

It might easily break the $1000 price point for a console for the first time ever.

VenomUK5d ago

So what's going on here?

I think two things: Windows faces an existential threat from SteamOS if it ever goes mainstream. So Microsoft wants to build an Xbox PC complete with streamlined Windows OS that will be able to be more attractive than any SteamDeck home console.

Microsoft wants every gamer including PlayStation gamers to move to PC, then it wants to market Game Pass to ALL PC players. Even if it only captures 5% of the worldwide market that would likely be enough to bring in enough revenue to make the subscription service a financial success.

fr0sty5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Note how much emphasis they keep putting on "you can play your games across any device"... as in, no exclusives. This thing will flop hard, again, if it even launches. They already pumped the brakes on the handheld.

Christopher5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

If it's going to do that, it will flop hard. Their best selling console is the cheapest one on the market, not the more expensive one. And they can't sell that to keep up with the more expensive PS5.

Edit: Also, AMD is easily not going to sign away anything that limits what they can do with Sony. They make more money the more consoles manufactured, not the one that sells the least out there but for more.

jznrpg4d ago

If that happens hardly anyone will buy it

Obscure_Observer4d ago

@Christopher

"If it's going to do that, it will flop hard. Their best selling console is the cheapest one on the market, not the more expensive one. And they can't sell that to keep up with the more expensive PS5."

I don´t think they care if it will sell like hot cakes or not based on their upcoming handhelds. I heard rumors that the "entry" model will cost around $500. The *cheaper* one! In case they price the premium model at $700-$800, what´s will stop/prevent them from charging $1000 or more on a premium next gen console?

Bear in mind that Sony priced the PS5 Pro which has barely noticeable improvements over the base PS5 at $700

Besides, this console will not be targeting the next Playstation console or any other console in the market. The console wars is over and Xbox will continue and release their games for every gaming platform in the market.

"AMD is easily not going to sign away anything that limits what they can do with Sony. They make more money the more consoles manufactured, not the one that sells the least out there but for more."

Nonsense. Take Steam Deck (AMD Zen 2) vs ROG Xbox Ally X (AMD Ryzen AI Z2 Extreme) for example.

Same rules applies to home consoles which literally means that AMD will build whatever custom silicon MS is *paying* them to build. Same goes for Sony. AMD is not helping any company out of the kindness of its heart.

1Victor4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Oh look who Came…….running after hearing that Xbox news notification tone🤣👇.
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@obscured: “ It might easily break the $1000 price point for a console for the first time ever.”

Anything over $699.99 is DOA 🤔

Christopher4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

***I don´t think they care if it will sell like hot cakes or not based on their upcoming handhelds.***

You mean ASUS handhelds with Xbox logo thrown on them? And, yeah, sounds like a great business plan, build a huge deal with AMD for an expensive device so it won't sell much. My #1 goal as a business is to, of course, build something that won't sell.

*** Nonsense. Take Steam Deck (AMD Zen 2) vs ROG Xbox Ally X (AMD Ryzen AI Z2 Extreme) for example. ***

You literally are proving what I was saying. Did you read what I said? The whole point is that this 'deal' with AMD isn't going to give them any advantage as AMD will make similar deals with others. They're especially going to make a deal with the better selling company who has given them more money to-date than Xbox.

Obscure_Observer4d ago

@Christopher

"You mean ASUS handhelds with Xbox logo thrown on them? And, yeah, sounds like a great business plan, build a huge deal with AMD for an expensive device so it won't sell much. My #1 goal as a business is to, of course, build something that won't sell."

Unlike Sony, not a single device is MS priority anymore. So if they want and decide to sell their next gen console at profit, they´ll just go ahead and charge 1K for it.

Now, with that said, in case they want most Xbox gamers to migrate to next gen while keeping their Gamepass Ultimate subscription active they´ll have no other choice but subsidize and charge $700-$800 which still expensive.

"They're especially going to make a deal with the better selling company who has given them more money to-date than Xbox."

And they´ll do exactly what each company wants! That´s the point! We don´t know what "advantages" or features one will get over another if any at all!

If Sony paid AMD for its more advanced SOC, that´s what they´ll gonna get! Same applies to MS. It´s the same company making silicon for both MS and Sony, but silicon are *custom*, so chances are they might not be the same! That´s my point.

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neutralgamer19925d ago

Xbox doesn’t have someone like Mark Cerny— let’s not pretend that’s a small thing. Sony's domination really began when Cerny became the lead architect. What most people don’t realize is how much of a developer-first mindset he brought to PlayStation hardware.

For example, during PS4 development, Cerny made the call to increase RAM from 4GB to 8GB of GDDR5—a huge and expensive decision at the time—specifically because developers told him they needed more memory. That change had a massive impact on the PS4's long-term success, making it much easier to develop for and future-proofing it in ways Xbox One simply wasn’t.

And he doesn’t just sit in an office and make guesses—he visits every major first-party, second-party, and even third-party studio every two years. He talks directly with the people making the games and collects detailed feedback on what works and what doesn’t. Studios trust him because he’s not just a hardware guy—he’s been a game developer, a producer, and a creative lead. He understands game development from the ground level all the way to the top, and that’s why studios feel comfortable being honest with him. That’s how features like the ultra-fast SSD and the dedicated 3D audio chip made it into the PS5—they weren’t just specs on paper, they were answers to real-world studio needs.

So while Xbox is doing great things with AMD (and that’s a strong move on its own), they don’t have a Cerny—a bridge between engineering and creative. That matters.

And for those claiming Xbox might gain an advantage by launching early—this isn’t 2005 anymore. Back then, launching the Xbox 360 a year early gave Microsoft a real edge. But now? People are invested:

They’ve built massive digital libraries

Their friends and social systems are tied into Xbox Live or PSN

And cross-play means you don’t have to switch consoles just to play with others

You can’t “win” the generation early just by releasing first anymore.

If Xbox wants to win the next generation, they should aim squarely at core gamers. Release a powerhouse, even if it costs $800–$1000. The hardcore market would embrace it. But the real danger is that they’ll also release a $350–$400 console, like they did with Series S—and that console will hold the whole generation back again. Series S was the bottleneck of this generation. Developers had to build to its limitations, and it’s part of the reason why PS4 is still being supported with new releases in 2025.

Power is only one part of the equation. Vision matters. Studio trust matters. Execution matters. And that’s where Mark Cerny and PlayStation’s approach continue to set the bar

crazyCoconuts5d ago

I think they could put in a low effort iteration that doesn't pack in a lot of innovation (same dashboard, copy some ideas on the controller) on refreshed silicon, benefitting from AMDs newer architecture. They don't need an Uber engineer for mediocrity.
If they would have doubled down on exclusives after buying up the universe they could have done just that
But they've done nothing short of sabotaging their consoles for the last several years - why would they try for another baby after clubbing their eldest son? It's madness

neutralgamer19924d ago

Crazy

Microsoft has made major moves in the gaming industry, investing over $75 billion—possibly closer to $80–85 billion—acquiring publishers like ZeniMax and Activision Blizzard, along with renowned studios such as Obsidian, Ninja Theory, and Playground Games. Once that level of investment came into play, Xbox could no longer remain a side project—it had to become a serious, profit-driven business.

One of the major shifts we’re seeing is how Microsoft is adapting its strategy. While Game Pass is a fantastic service—especially for Xbox and PC players—it simply isn’t a sustainable model on its own to fund the rising costs of AAA blockbuster game development. Most Xbox players enjoy their games through subscriptions rather than purchasing them outright, which limits revenue per title.

That’s why we’re now seeing Microsoft embrace a hybrid model: keeping Game Pass as a core service on Xbox and PC, while also releasing major titles on other platforms like PlayStation and the upcoming Nintendo Switch 2.

The results speak for themselves:

Forza Horizon 5, a flagship Xbox title, has become one of the best-selling games on PlayStation.

Gears of War: E-Day (Reloaded) is already charting as one of the top pre-ordered games on PSN.

The newly released Indiana Jones and the Great Circle has performed well.

And there are strong rumors that Microsoft is working to bring even more iconic Xbox titles—including Halo—to PlayStation.

Why? Because the PlayStation 5 install base is on track to hit 100 million within the next year. That’s simply too large a market to ignore, especially when trying to recoup the costs of massive development and acquisition budgets. The days of treating Xbox like a vanity project are over. This is now about business fundamentals: revenue, growth, and profit.

While exclusives still matter in some strategic cases, Microsoft is clearly evolving with the market. It’s no longer about pleasing a small group of fans demanding exclusivity—it’s about adapting to a new reality where cross-platform availability increases revenue, reach, and long-term sustainability.

In short, Microsoft is playing smart: keeping players happy on Game Pass while also capturing full-price sales from the largest gaming audiences worldwide. They’ve chosen growth over pride—and the numbers are backing that up

Profchaos4d ago

I think that stance really downplays what Ken kutaragi brought to the table with the ps1 and its development pipeline which was far easier to work with than any other system at the time including the jag, n64, 3d0

Because let's be honest Sony dominated hard with both the ps1 and ps2.

Ps1 dominated so did 2 but that was harder to dev for with the emotion engine but highly capable.

Its with the ps3 that Sony lost it and really its their only console they failed to get developers on board with and the reason that Ken stepped aside.

But really modern consoles mirroring pc hardware was inevitable consoles were originally made because pc hardware wasbt capable of things like smooth scrolling and as everything evolved consoles slowly morphed into PC's which is basically where we are at now but there's beauty in a consoles simplicity so I dont know what ms will do but making a windows console seems like a bad move many gamers dont want to play with settings they want plug and play and if you push pc to be a console you lose that simplicity and that will hurt

Software_Lover4d ago

Cerny has nothing to do with Playstation success. Playstations's success comes from the ps1 and ps2 days.

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MajorLazer5d ago

I hope there's no focus on 8K. Current gen consoles aren't exactly setting the world alight with rock-solid 4K60 titles, nevermind 4K120. Focusing on 8K would be a waste.

ABizzel15d ago

UDNA is on track to be revealed Q2 2026, so the Xbox rumors from the Activision trail, might be true about them launching their console first to market with a holiday 2026 release date.

That being said UDNA will be a big improvement over the current Series Consoles, but I don’t think UDNA 1st-gen is going to be a huge upgrade over the RX 9000 performance wise. RX 9000 is on 4nm, and UDNA 1st-gen is supposed to be on 3nm (basically 4nm+).

The question I have is are they going to stick with a 2 console future. Are they dropping the high-end since Series S sold better? Are they making a higher-end platform and using the ASUS Xbox handheld PCs as the new Series S option, or are they making a middle ground that’s “affordable” and balances price:performance. Also, are they sticking with the Xbox-PC mentality we see with the ASUS handheld.

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dveio5d ago

I would like to be a fly on the wall during such negotiations.

Aloymetal5d ago

''Next gen will be different''

RaidenBlack5d ago

"... Xbox consoles" ~ they're again gonna pull a Series S-v2 and handicap the next-gen's 2nd phase.

ABizzel15d ago

@RaidenBlack

Series S was a handicap primarily due to the RAM (it needed at least 12GB), but with Switch 2 and more handheld PCs it’s going to become a porting point for those platforms. So while it hurt development early on for Xbox, it’s now helping every other mobile platform…..which is great for everything else even if it doesn’t directly benefit MS, outside of their ASUS Xbox Handheld PC.

That being said, if they did do a Series SV2 I would hope they learned from their mistakes (they clearly didn’t learn from the PS3 or the GTX970 about split memory being awful for GPUs).

RAM
16GB is the will still be the minimum for the next 5+ years (12GB is starting to hit its limit), so that problem would be solved.

GPU
RDNA4 and/or UDNA are big improvements over RDNA2. Even staying at 20CUs like the Series S, the jump to RDNA 4 + clock speed would be around a 60% - 70% boost over the Series S, putting it around a RTX 2060 - RX 6600 performance, which is a much better result, even if it’s still below PS5/SX natively. However, the Switch 2 is showing was a superior upscaled can do, and having FSR4 would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over the PS5/SX, and would allow the SSV2to run PS5/SX games at native 1080p same High-Medium settings and FPS as those consoles in most games, but upscaled to 4K with better image quality than both of those consoles.

Price
Considering they raised all their console prices here’s where the issue comes into play. The above hardware would be fine, but if they can’t get it to $349 - $399 (the Series S is now $379 -_-), then why not get a digital PS5 starts to become the question for anything above $399. But if the global economy steady and back to normal what could anyone say bad about this platform at $349…?

anast5d ago

I was going to say this. lol

S2Killinit4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@ABizzel1
I think their lower version will do less damage to industry next time because even less people will be buying xbox.

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Obscure_Observer5d ago

HELL YEAH!!!!

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!

ALREADY GOT MY MONEY SAVED THANKS TO GAMEPASS!!!

dveio5d ago

You could have saved an additional 500 bucks. Just sayin.

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Blasphemy4d ago

not if he does not own a gaming pc.

fr0sty5d ago

First to market with the weakest console of the new generation, half-baked and rushed. Then Sony comes around and shows them how it's done for the fifth time in a row.

Lightning775d ago

You said they weren't making another console? What happened? You types are wrong about everything all the time it's quite fascinating to watch actually.

fr0sty4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I still say that... talking about releasing a console and actually releasing a console are 2 totally different things. The fact that they are only just now securing a partnership to manufacture the chips shows just how behind they are. Sony already had a deal with AMD worked out nearly a year ago ( https://www.theverge.com/20... MS already canceled plans to release their handheld ( https://www.laptopmag.com/g... , and instead are relying on other hardware manufacturers to make it for them. The same could be true with the console... MS taking the 3DO route and licensing the Xbox brand to other hardware manufacturers to make consoles for them, while also releasing their games on all the competing consoles, turning them into little more than a third party developer. Besides, that's quite rich coming from the folks who said MS games wouldn't be on PS5. You were also dead wrong about Xbox Series S holding back the generation and making multiplatform games worse on all platforms, developer after developer kept coming out proving you wrong, and you still wouldn't admit it. Just kept trying to move the goal posts...

Lightning774d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"I still say that... talking about releasing a console and actually releasing a console are 2 totally different things."

Reality is hitting you hard also I see.

MS is always behind when it comes to this stuff. They were behind in making the X1 back then, nothing new.

"and instead are relying on other hardware manufacturers to make it for them. The same could be true with the console..."

I'm sorry what? So you didn't watch the video where she literally said they're making their own hardware? That's the whole point of the freakin video. Lol you can't make this up. As usual your off to a horrible Start and it's only gonna get worse it always does. I just laugh.

Xbox going third party is something nobody could of predicted even hardcore fanboys like yourself if we're talking beginning of then gen. No don't sit there and lie and say "you knew all along" because you didn't nobody did 5 years ago.

"You were also dead wrong about Xbox Series S holding back the generation and making multiplatform games worse on all platforms, developer after developer kept coming out proving you wrong, and you still wouldn't admit it."

This again? Ok if that's the case then list me all the games that got held back from the S. Sense it's all prevalent and out there. Don't make excuse just list the games. I always ask and you dodge and make excuses. Show me digital foundry footage I wanna proof evidence and details. Now go, no excuses list the games now.

IRetrouk4d ago

@lightning, I said it in 2019.......

Ganif4d ago

"You said they weren't making another console? What happened? You types are wrong about everything all the time it's quite fascinating to watch actually."

The fact f the matter is Microsoft dragged their feet big time on committing to their next gen console. They signed their deal with AMD two years later than Sony did.

It's clear that there was discussion within Microsoft about how they want to continue with Xbox and Satya at least on some level wanting to reign in or stop Xbox. We heard as much from the ABK case and other rumors.

No one looking at Xbox as a console can look at it and say it's doing good. And the only reason why there is another Xbox is because Microsoft can keep throwing money at it. I doubt they even expect this console to be a profitable venture as they move towards publishing.

1Victor4d ago

@light: “ Reality is hitting you hard also I see.”

Reality is no one expected Xbox to go out of the console market next generation but everyone expects it to be their last IF they perform equal or worse than this generation or Xbone

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blacktiger5d ago

You could PS6 and play Xbox games

bleedsoe9mm4d ago

you'll be able to play everything on Windows PC

fr0sty4d ago

for 3 times more money than a ps6.

__y2jb4d ago

I like the all caps and multiple exclamation points but I feel like you could have pumped up the current gen more. 6/10, good effort.

Obscure_Observer4d ago

"Watch it be DOA."

Forgive me to be skeptical and not trust your predictions after your dumb claims that a new Xbox console wouldn´t even exist.

Now it not only got confirmed, but also confirmed that it will play games from both PC and Playstation games.

So at the moment I don´t have reasons to buy a PC or a Playstation console at all. The next gen Xbox will be a day one buy for me and many many others. Just deal with it.

IRetrouk4d ago

Those playstation games are pc games though.....
You already have access to them though don't you?
And what they described isn't a console, it's a pc.....
Its gonna flop.

Ganif4d ago

"Now it not only got confirmed, but also confirmed that it will play games from both PC and Playstation games."

I wounld.t be so sure that this Xbox is going to play PC games. Her talking about multiple store fronts which everyone seems to think means the console is going to support Windows comes after the splash for "Xbox play anywhere" which is part of the "This is an Xbox" marketing campaign. What she is actually saying is that Microsoft will continue it's "play anywhere" meaning they will continue to sell their games on storefronts other than Xbox/Windows Store.

https://youtu.be/VOCtRanwXr...

Every gen since the first gen everyone says that the next Xbox is going to play PC games, then it doesn't. Heck even when the One X was still rumors before it released people said that was going to play PC games and it wasn't even it's own thing...

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

@obscure
You talking about dumb comments is ironic. Besides, ive never said that, I think you are just making things up, Ive always said MS will make a placeholder “console”, while they switch more and more toward monthly subscription services.

Secondly, is this really an xbox if MS ends up putting its logo on a device created by someone else? Looks to me that MS may have already exited consoles and this is to save face while they push their monthly service plan business model.

I think next xbox will follow the same trend of selling even less than this generation. So yes DOA in my opinion.

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darthv725d ago

...already? Gen 10 is but 1-2 years away.

Profchaos5d ago

@raiden kind of but if they didn't rush rrod may not have happened and they could have turned a profit that generation

Also ps3 dropped the ball massively so the generation would of been theirs by default but rrod abd mattricks casual push killed them and gave Sony a opportunity to claw it back

fr0sty5d ago

@prof, don't underestimate how much developers finally getting a grasp on coding for the Cell processor also helped PS3 take the crown in the end.

Profchaos5d ago

Classic move if you're losing just start the next gen early look how that worked for dreamcast

RaidenBlack5d ago

but then again worked for X360

Lightning775d ago

I thought they weren't making a new gen though?

Chocoburger5d ago

At least the Dreamcast was an amazing system (still is!), the last two Xbox generations have been shameful.

ZycoFox4d ago

Except Dreamcast was a generational leap, majority of games looked just as good if not better than some PS2 titles. More than what can be said of Nintendo since the Wii.. plus an early launch worked well for the 360.

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RaidenBlack5d ago

Sony confirmed their partnership with AMD for PS6 ages ago.
With Xbox taking time, everybody was hoping they might try something new & different by going Nvidia route but guess they went with the boring AMD route again.

Lightning775d ago

Well Sony recently said that PS6 was top of their mind and are hard at work on it.

Next gen talk already we're 4 in a half years in the gen. 9th gen is easily the worse gen by far.

darthv725d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Almost 5 years in for PS and XB entries... Nintendo kicked off 9th gen back in 2017. MS and Sony were late because of the release of the Pro/One X consoles to extend their 8th gen presence. And in doing that is why the adoption rate for their 9th gen has been slower than the previous. Its also why crossgen is still a thing.

But like you said, 9th gen has been the worst, even in my 40+ years of gaming.

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