Jon of RGN writes, "At the hands of EA, many great game studios and franchises have been strangled to death. More than ever, the future of Battlefield is in serious jeopardy."
There's a lot more going on than just that situation. EA has numerous failures with consumer relations in the past few years alone. Battlefield 4 didn't run properly for over a year. The original DICE team no longer works there since BF3, and even execs and creative leads are leaving EA's various studios in droves.
Those who claim that the game is floundering just because of some insignificant SJW bullshit are so ignorant its not even funny. 1) everything Hitman said above 2) Battlefront 1 SP fiasco and lack of MP content 3) Battlefront 2 loot crate/ unfair MP progression fiasco 4) BFV effectively being a re-skin of BF1 in a day and age where every shooter is set in modern times and it feels WWs are a chore now. 5) BFV fiasco over customization and female leads in a WW BF game while BF games are known for their close approximation of historic accuracy. Then the cherry on top when Dice told their long time fans to effectively f*** off if they dont like their choices. 6) Delaying the game and allowing COD's Blackout to absorb gamers and big name streamers attention for the long haul. 7) They have failed to secure our attention on their BR efforts by giving us absolutely nothing about it when a) BR is all the rage now and b) they clearly knew how extremely popular Blackout was. 8) Gamers general disdain/mistrust towards EA
If you add up everything its not that difficult to see why people and especially long time fans have lost faith in Dice. Dice and EA shot their own foot and yes BFV will be one of the worst performing BF games if not the worse ever. I'm really dissapointed by Dice and so are most of their fans. I hope this message gets to them in time to save the franchise with the next BF game.
This time i hope EA bites the dust for good with this release. EA from last gen was almost better... now they killed SP games.. Dante Inferno, Dead Space... so much wasted potential...
Whats Trump got to with it? You do realize that the world is bigger than just the US. UltraNova was on point, the result of BFV's backlash is not a single issue but a culmination of many problems over the past years with both DICE and EA.
You can spin it all you like. Go back and look at the comment sections on here. A vast majority are boycotting it because there's women in the game. It's absurd.
no, we've been reading the comment sections and understand exactly why this bull is happening. doesn't matter what people try to say now. the shiit was said in plain sight since the reveal of the game, so trying to take it back like it never happened may fool the idiot trump supporters, but not the rest of us.
There's women in a WW2 game, in a way that doesn't make sense, in a way that ruins the theme, and for what ? to be more progressive or something ? No one is pissed that Horizon Zero Dawn has a female protagonist, or that Ellie is the main protagonist in The Last Of Us 2. Why ? If it really was misogyny, why aren't the same people whining about every female character. Don't be intellectually dishonest. It's very clear when people are upset in cases like these. It's when they feel that it's being done for the sake of it, and at the cost of something else. (Not saying they're always right, in many cases people are ignorant of the details).
What doesn't make any sense is having a WW2 game, and that too in a series that takes itself quite seriously in terms of 'immersion' and 'feel' and 'realism'. And then having women Nazis and Asian women running around as the default snipers. Was this WW2 again ?
Ofcourse people are upset - it doesn't make any sense. Don't do diversity for the sake of diversity in a game where diversity doesn't make any fucking sense lmao. What did DICE and EA expect ? Immersion is a huge factor in their games, and people wanted them to do WW2 right.
I don't even care that much about the WW2 theme. I can get used to it, but it really puts a bad taste in my mouth when I think about it, and makes me feel sad about DICE and EA in general. I want devs to be free to put their creative vision forward. I don't want that hampered by external shit that doesn't make sense. I don't want a WW2 game to be hindered so much because they want the franchise to be more 'diverse' or whatever, despite the fact that it doesn't make sense. It is what it is. They compromised on the theme, and they'll pay for that, because a LOT of people value things like this. Whether it is historical accuracy, or world-building and lore in fictional games, people care about this stuff. So if you compromise on it, you need have a good reason. There has to be a good trade-off. Eg: "Why are medics raising people from the dead?" - because that's necessary as a core gameplay loop. (for all those who keep throwing that bullshit argument around).
You know what no one gives a damn about ? Diversity for the sake of diversity, or being able to play as a female character in a game where it makes literally no difference to the gameplay (but kind of fucks the theme over). Or choosing a woman soldier to be the cover picture for a World War 2 game (lol). Just... why ? I don't care about a game cover, but it doesn't tell me something about EA and DICE. It has to be pandering and politics right ? I don't get why else they'd do that.
***No one is pissed that Horizon Zero Dawn has a female protagonist, or that Ellie is the main protagonist in The Last Of Us 2. Why ?***
The problem is, people are upset. People specifically said they wouldn't play HZD because it was a female protagonist. And, people have also said that if they can't play as Joel they won't touch 2. Just not "that many" people. But, they do absolutely exist. Probably at a higher rate on N4G since it's less of an echo chamber than other places (but, Twitter is the highest occurrence of such mindsets).
I think the issue is that people with legit issues get lost in those with an actual issue with women in games. The issue does exist, but it looks bigger than it is because others get lumped in with them to support an argument.
Same thing happens with GamerGate/SJW issues all the time. Same with politics. It's the idea of simplifying people down to the most basic of items to support an idea of whether you are for or against them. It's what ruins modern debate as people are placed into groups almost immediately rather than actually listened to and understood for their specific thoughts.
It’s not that, it’s the fact that EA panders to the lowest comon denominator, insults the intelligence of people who disagree and expect to still be the good guy.
It often appears that EA and DICE, in this case, showed contempt for much of their devoted player base. Saying essentially, don't like it then don't buy it was the worst thing to say. They should have just said, I'm sorry you disagree with our artistic choices for BFV but I hope you will still considering playing the game for other reasons. I think DICE's hubris more than women characters in the game did more harm to the sales outlook.
Dont want to get political so I wont name parties, but this is normal for a certain group of people.
If you don't agree with what we think, then you're a bigot a racist and 100 other things.
And @fiveby9 I agree completely with what you said, that's what EA should have said, and what someone who doesn't let his emotions and feeling rule over him.
"I'm sorry you disagree with our artistic choices for BFV but I hope you will still considering playing the game for other reasons."
Your the only one who brought up race... but certainly don't let me stop you from feeling oppressed by adding the the option to play as a woman in a video game... I mean that's not petty at all, right?
@parris Not petty at all, right? Dice can just claim historical accuracy even though there werent any British women allowed on the front line let alone amputees but hey lets rewrite history for the sake of diversity. Thats not petty at all. And I suppose that Kingdom Comes NPC backlash wasnt petty either right?
Whilst there may be some negative correlation there, I (and I really think I would be the "target demographic") personally won't be buying this because it looks stale, derivative and uninspired -- and the beta confirmed my suspicions of this. My decision has nothing got to do with the female thing, but the robo arms and steampunk outfits were a bit silly. DICE's contemptuous response to all arguments (some of which were quite valid) was self-righteous and arrogant.... and that's coming from someone who was largely indifferent!
@Srhalo Ah cute, a casual gamer. I have nothing against woman in games. For FUCK sake one of my fav games has a lead female role = Horizon Zero Dawn. I'm not against woman, but I will stand up and say I am against woman characters being a major part in this game. It is Fucking World War 2. Mostly white men fought!! This game always had some sense of historical accuracy or current world (whatever) accuracy, so yes I would of been happier playing the game with mostly the type of people who fought during the war. Fucking DUH isn't that obvious? Oh and I'm sorry you are not getting lucky standing up for woman here lol.
Now apart from that, which ain't even that big of a deal, they had to go with robotic arms and future sights on the guns.... Just wow. Oh and it is like a Battlefield 1 skin in WW2 lol..
Oh and they said don't like it don't buy it... Which is so stupid towards your customers.
The setting ain't bad. EA is bad! Just make Bad Company 3 already. Put a female lead in there it'll be awesome I don't care. I am not supporting this game, due to the attitude EA has towards it's fanbase. Thank God Red Dead Redemption 2 is almost here!!
Completely miss the fact how the developer insulted an entire fan-base and literally told them not to buy the game. It is crazy times when people make such absurd comments without doing a little research.
So they insulted the fan base when they issued a firm rebuke against alt right trolls upset about the option to play as a female or minority in the game?
That’s right, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. The entire debate is ridiculous and your attempts at gaslighting are shallow and transparent.
Everyone who disagrees with changing history (game or not) is not alt right. What you said doesn't defend the comments of the EA developer in anyway, it's just another strawman argument.
My thoughts exactly and I feel the same way about COD.
I've purchased the last 6 COD games and now they fk with the network update or tick.... For what? Because of a stupid BR mode that no one will play in 6 months? Who the fu#k wants to play a 25 min round of COD? Should have been better prepared with more robust servers you cheapskate non gamers.
You'd think these companies were poor. None of us gamers give a fuck about your targeted projections for profits or mt's with regards to your stock or investors.
What crazy times we live in where simply giving people the option to play as a female character would destroy a whole franchise.