There is no excuse for microtransactions in Devil May Cry 5

If Capcom really does believe that gamers should be able to play Devil May Cry 5 whatever way they wish then why would they lock this flexibility behind a paywall that gamers without disposable income won’t be able to take advantage of?

[NovusTerminus]

First of all, there are only 3 playable characters, Lady, Trish and Vergil are not playable (unless they pull a fast one, or are added in via DLC)

Secondly this same purchase was in DMC4:SE and Red Orb Drop and Proud Soul drops were faster in SE then they were in it's initial release. We know attacks seem to run 32k on the expensive side, which most people playing the game are earning 20k-40k for a single mission so the MTX are not really cause an economy issue (That is actually still faster then DMC4 Vanilla release)

There is something in the game that is 3mil, but is confirmed not to be an attack and is rumored to be a taunt of some kind, but that is now a bad thing either, might be a decent day of grinding (Even less if you are good enough to S rank most mission and score higher)

I'm not down for MTX in games, but as long as they don't effect the in game economy making it take days to grind for things, I don't so much mind because largely it doesn't effect natural in game progress. I'll have my characters maxed out within a day or so anyways.

Though an ability to customize a difficulty sounds like a really fun idea.

[-Foxtrot]

If you don’t pull out a weed now your whole garden will be overrun in time

Small or not it doesn't matter, it’s the principle

[King_Noctis]

@shloombmm3

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t MH World their best selling game to date? Where have the money from those sale gone to then? The game didn’t even have microtransactions. I’m all for wanting a gaming company to survive but you are acting as if Capcom’s entire company depend on MT in DMC.

And on the topic of survival, don’t blame consumer, blame Capcom for releasing crap games like SF5 which is a glorified early acess game at launch.

Also, I would pretty much prefer them to raise the game price outright to $70 instead of nickling and diming their customers with MT. Companies like Sony had never depended on MT for their games, they just release good game for $60 and yet they still exist in this “$60 per game” cruel world.

[PapaBop]

@Shoobmm3

So we should accept Capcom shoehorning MTs into games which they have no business offering them because if we don't, they'll go out of business? Capcom have struggled over the last 8 years because of their terrible decision making. They basically nearly ruined all of their top franchises with these decisions while simultaneously scaring off all their talent due to their unethical treatment of their employees.

I'd argue that Capcom probably means a lot more to me than to most people on here.. they literally defined three generations of gaming for me (Snes, PS1 and PS2) but I'll be damned if I accept unethical MTs because they've spent the majority of the last decade run by dinosaurs who don't understand their consumers.

It's a shame really, they look like they're making one hell of a comeback with RE7, MHW and RE2 remake looking amazing but these MTs in DMC feels very much like one step forward, two steps back. Worse thing is, the people running the company likely won't react to the controversy unless it starts effecting their preorder figures.

[Cmoney007]

Always good to see your reasonable comments on here, Foxtrot. I hope you have been well?

[LordJamar]

The principle lol. Hard day of work annoying people ima come home and play some dmc if the gameing world crashes cause of it so be it. Ima go enjoy my game and escape a bit fun while it last

[AspiringProGenji]

“I'm not down for MTX in games, but as long as they don't effect the in game economy making it take days to grind for things, I don't so much mind because largely it doesn't effect natural in game progress”

Yeah keep hoping this won’t affect the game’s economy and grinding. You people never learn, and just because DMC4 remastered had this doesn’t excuse this one. For all we know there wasn’t much Capcom could’ve done with a game economy of a 10 year old game to fit in MTs

[NovusTerminus]

Except for the fact that you missed, or chose to ignore my comment in my previous post where I break down and address the cost of attacks in DMCV.

So allow me to repost it.

"We know attacks seem to run 32k on the expensive side, which most people playing the game are earning 20k-40k for a single mission so the MTX are not really cause an economy issue (That is actually still faster then DMC4 Vanilla release) "

Most weapons in DMC run about 6-7 attacks for purchase, up to 10. So if you get 30k per mission (Choosing a median average here) you can max out a weapon within about 11 missions if EVERY attack on the weapon costs 32k, and all weapons have 10 attacks, which given DMC, is not normally the case, and the user who posted the pricing said that 32k was the most expensive skill he could find.

Given the evidence we have right now, it will not effect the in game economy at all. Would I prefer the game without it? sure, but it does not seem like it is going to effect the balance of the game with the information we have right now.

[DarXyde]

But for all you know, you are assuming the worst.

Seriously, put the pitchforks away for now. You MIGHT need them when the game releases, or you might not.

And really, why complain so much? Don't buy it then. Just don't buy it. That would literally solve all of your concerns. You have lived your entire life so far without DMCV. You'll manage. No game, no microtransactions to worry about. That simple. And by not supporting Capcom, if enough of you do it,
they'll go under and people can be content with the outcome (if that really is the collective will). Natural selection wil run its course and decide what happens to Capcom.

"Oh, but what if it's really good?" Then it sounds like you should stand your ground or cave and buy it, used or new.

By the way, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you really don't know how it will play out. The outrage is such a knee jerk reaction to "single player" and "microtransactions" in the same game. Just wait and see.

Sure, you can say that single player games don't need them, but so long as this is not grind heavy, it still sounds like it beats season passes, which people seemed to accept after R* did it.

Let it play out and the consumer will decide. Plain and simple.

[Concertoine]

I agree.

I understand why MTs are bad and am fundamentally against them. But if this game is like DMC4 and it doesnt effect the balance of the game, i dont care. Its like how in Deus Ex you can buy MT’s for praxis kits.

If idiots are dumb enough to get them, let capcom take their money.

I mainly hate when MT’s unbalance a multiplayer game, or unlock content that is otherwise impossible to get in SP. im not seeing that here.

[cartoonx1]

this game is going to be made from scratch and will most likely be built around MTs in mind, DMC 4 was original designed without MTs so the base design never had MTs. When DMC SE introduce them it was still the same game.

[Movefasta1993]

kill it now before it grows. MT never get better they get worse.That's the point, and I agree that it was implanted well in 4se but again, it'll get worse and then every single player Capcom game will have it

[trooper_]

The last thing Capcom needed to do was add microtransactions, not when people were starting to warm up to them again.

[Nitrowolf2]

You act like those numbers DualShock reported on are set in stones when time and time again, any game showing to the public is typically made easier than it tends to be. Wasn’t there even a backlash for a nba game recently with its whole micro transactions where reviewers earned more vs the final game?

I’m wait and see where this goes but being Capcom I have little faith

[Poopmist]

Yeah I didn't even know there were MT's in DMC 4 SE when I played it and only found out about it from this "controversy". I'm meh at those type of games and was able to get every upgrade I wanted without issue. It seems like the MT's will only be there to take advantage of impatient idiots and I think that's fine. The extra revenue could be great for convincing Capcom to make DMC 6 a little quicker this time. As long as the MT's don't make the game unplayable like Madden Ultimate team(Google it to see how bad MT's can really be people that are probably gonna give me like 30 disagrees).

[Hungryalpaca]

Why are you defending this?

[rulparra]

clown!

[FallenAngel1984]

Microtransactions May Cry

[FullmetalRoyale]

Devil May Pay

[ZaWarudo]

It sucks, but i gotta buy this game. Sorry, guys.

I hope Capcom will reverse this decision, because this is a bad look and will probably hurt the hype.

[annoyedgamer]

Wait a week, buy it used that way they dont get the money.

[Elda]

Doubt a used copy will be available in a week.

[Platformgamer]

i do that with activision games

[Elda]

Buying as well.

[Concertoine]

Is that happens capcom will shun DMC as one of those series they cant profit from MT’s.

[DarXyde]

Agreed.

Even if it's grindy, Capcom will be surprised at my resilience.

I've always favored odd numbered DMC games (and even numbered Resident Evil games, before 6). Not gonna miss this. Action is smooth, beautiful, and looks like a legitimately awesome game.

Not paying beyond the base price, so I'l be content (unless there's cool DLC).

And for the people complaining about microtransactions...a question:

Would you rather optional MTs, or ads in your games? Last I checked, people raised hell about that years ago. Games aren't getting cheaper and Capcom is still kind of a wavering presence. Just don't buy any orbs and play the game. You might just get more longevity out of it.

[Hungryalpaca]

I’m not buying based on principle. You want MTs in your single player game? No money from me.

[strayanalog]

"There is no excuse for microtransactions" - there, I fixed it for you.

[Elda]

Personally for me I've never cared about MT's in a game that I'm interest in to play because I pay for the game & that's it.I pay MTs nada & others that are interested in DMCV can do the same.

[j15reed]

It just goes back to if you don't buy them than all these companies wouldn't feel the need to put them in. The people above and below you commenting on how much they hate these are probably some of the people buying them. They definitely try to make the games more grindy but me personally I don't mind I just like games if I enjoy the game whether it takes me 1 month or 6 months to beat I'll enjoy doing it.

[AK91]

Honestly there’s no need for microtransactions altogether.

[Hardiman]

Microtransactions belong in F2P games, that is all!

[Sirk7x]

I think if microtransactions are necessary to ensure that a game makes money, perhaps creating the game at all should be in question if it's already full priced. We're at a point in gaming where the production values that people want don't seem to be sustainable. Do you scale back? Do you add MT to offset costs? What would you guys do if the gaming industry raised prices?
I honestly don't think that Capcom should have made DMC5 at all. I don't think it's gonna do too well.

[staticall]

Yeah, that's why big game publishers are closing down one by one, right? Like EA, 2k Games, Ubisoft, Activision Blizzard. Or, what, they're a billion dollar businesses, microtransactions for them is an extra way to make more money for CEO and top management bonuses.

For example, original Destiny ($145 million) and GTA V ($265 million) cost a lot of money, didn't have microtransactions at launch and developer and publisher didn't close down. When they added microtransactions, it was just exta icing on the cake.
What other games NEED microtransactions - Call of Duty? NBA 2k? NHL/FIFA? Destiny 2? This new Devil May Cry? None of them need it.

If publisher want microtransactions, they have to make a free-to-play game, it's simple as that.

And before you'll say that Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition had microtransactions - yes, it did, yet they didn't rebalance the in-game economy. This game they're building from the ground up, with microtransactions in mind, there will be increased costs/low drops of orb. And it's a single-player game, for g-d's sake, there's no excuse for this.

[Sirk7x]

Every one of those games you mentioned is from a huge western publisher that sells gangbusters. Capcom is not that. I'm saying, I don't think they can make a profit on this game. It's a great series, but I don't think any one has sold more than a few million, and games don't get cheaper to make when people expect higher production values every year. So my question is, what should they do? Not have made it at all? My other question remains as well. Say that MT were erased from the industry. Would prices raise, and would people pay them? It's worth thinking about.

[chris235]

why are you dudes and dudesses buying these products knowing that every sold unit will encourage the next dev to follow flag. is this one fact really too hard to grasp and act upon? it seems like gamers are not able to make this cut. so i guess gamers deserve what they are getting.

personally i can‘t stop facepalming about naive gamers and blogmeisters who prefer whining over taking concrete action as in not buying certain products.
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[LordJamar]

Cause they still want to play dmc thats it its not complicated to understand

[Inzo]

The sad thing is that Capcom will have suckered a few people into buying this game.

I for one will not support a game with MTs in it so it seems that its PS4 exclusives exclusively for me from here on in, baring the occasional MT-less multiplat and Im ok with that.

[lellkay]

I hope they back off with these.

[TricksterArrow]

Something DmC did better: no microtransactions. Gonna miss that.

[Relientk77]

Take them out of the game

[ramiuk1]

i wont buy it if it has them,simple as that !!!!

[TheEnigma313]

Looks like I'm passing on this.

[RiverCityBoy]

As I said before unless it gets caneled nothing will stop me from getting this game (those alternate colors are amazing), but I am pissed cuz now so many people are gonna turn away from what looks like such an amazing game and now I worry it wont even get the sales it deserves. I understand the ones who say "if you dont take a stand now itll get worse" and all that, but there are the ones who just assume the game will be built around them and immediately think the game will fail. If I dont have to buy orbs and can just play the game all the way through and unlock everything just like how I did with the past games then I'm not gonna complain about it. We have yet to see if the full game is made around the mtx anyway. Either it is and capcom screws the game up or it aint and we have a brand new gem in our hands. Just wait it out and have a little faith

[wwinterj]

The game will have a inevitable special edition with Vergil at the very least being playable. MTX suck but if you want to play this game without falling to the greed of publishers than wait and buy that. On a side note for a company that's so money hungry I'm still not understanding why DMC 4: SE never got a physical release outside of Japan.

[Tankbusta40]

PASS

[cell989]

Single player games like Spderman and God Of War showing how it should be done. Puts this game on the shame list

[LordJamar]

There may be to many knee jerk reactions we need to see the full game first before we fully committed to outrage and pick forks and torches.