Monster Hunter: Generations Ultimate on Switch is the Polar Opposite of Monster Hunter: World

In many respects, Generations Ultimate is the exact opposite of Monster Hunter: World. Where MHW is intended to be an accessible entry for beginners, Generations Ultimate is effectively an expansion pack. One of its key features is the ability to transfer save data from the 3DS version. It's a tribute to old-school Monster Hunter, replete with old favorite monsters and familiar levels.

[kevnb]

I wouldnt call it polar opposite, but it isnt so newcomer friendly either.

[Neonridr]

the 3DS titles seldom were easy for newcomers. Steep learning curves in those titles.

[naruga]

@Neonridr you mean PSP and PS2 tiles huh???.....3Ds titles started the dawnfall of Monster HUHunter with their idiotic lame "superhero" moveset .that started to alienate fans (even Japanese) ....thanks MHWorld went back to more grounded gameplay and far far far better concept art and envronemtn art similar to PS2 era

[Neonridr]

@naruga - you forgot to add "in your opinion". All the handhelds were tough. I tried to play MH4 on my 3DS and was confused from the outset. I own Monster Hunter World and had a far easier time following along. The console version was the easiest to grasp out of the bunch.

Pretty sure every MH title on 3DS sold well into the millions. So by alienate you must mean a handful of people, because the titles continued to sell with each release.

I get it, you have a thing for Sony. It's cool.

[Movefasta1993]

@Naruga , 3u and 4u didn't start any superhero movesets, generations did. 3 added switch axes and underwater combat and 4u added insect glaives and charge blades and ability to mount enemies and traverse the map a lot quicker and other things. Don't be ignorant.
Honestly, it's a three way tie between Unite,3u and 4u. World just doensn't have the content to match thos games, and monster hunter is mostly about content, without the grank weapons and armours and dozens of monsters, there is no incentive to hunt.
Usually there is always an ultimate version of a monster hunter game, when World U comes out, that'll be really special.

[SuperSonic91]

If Capcom thinks like Nintendo fans like you then Monhan wont be embeaced by millions of westerners today.And its potential will only languish in Japan.

Compared to the handheld versions MHW is no cheapo fast food budget food crap instead it is AAA grade organic Alberta Beef fine dining that Japan and South Korea export from Canada.

The reason why MHW sold so well is because of its high quality and gamer friendly gameplay. It simply addressed what gamers on the fence wanted to see and play.

Like GOW OS4 the change of MHW is for the best.
Even Japan embraced it with love being a home co sole game because its a fantastic game.

Dont downplay its success please because its not on Switch or 3DS.

[SuperSonic91]

MHW is the best MH ever made for the best reasons. Capcom has openned the doors wide open. There is no going back.

[michellelynn0976]

No it isn't, and if MHGU was on ps4 and MHW was on Switch, you would say the opposite. Half the classes, monsters and arts of the portable games. A console game with less content than a portable game, that's sad. MHW was a hack game for the COD crowd, not real gamers. MHGU is a real meat and potatoes game, made for real gamers.

[AspiringProGenji]

Unlike Generations, World is a new game made from the ground up. Being a console game or portable has nothing to do with how Capcom milks this franchise. MHGU would not be as popular if it was on Ps4 because it is not newscomer friendly. Despite being on switch all the archaic and limitations of 3DS will carry over to That game as well, while MHW was made with current gen consoles and pushed further. No more moon sized hitboxes or hundreds of loading screens and small areas. Just because the fans got used to all that doesn’t make them real MH gamers. MHW is still Monster Hunter doesn’t mater how much you want to shit on it for not being on the Switch. And I don’t agree with him either with World being the best. Freedom Unite is and 4 is a closed 2nd.

[SuperSonic91]

8.3 million gamers say it's the most accessible Monhan ever made especially for the western world... hack that fact into your brains.
It made westerners play Monhan. Aren't you glad?
It made my boyfriend get a 1TB PS4 just for it even if he has an XB1S.
So he is not a real gamer for not having a Switch? What kind of Nintendo thinking is that?
Are you nuts?
It's the most player friendly Monhan ever made.

[Neonridr]

@SuperSonic - so I guess McDonald's is the best food in the world because they sell the most each year? Come on, don't try to throw numbers around.

Yes Monster Hunter World is a fantastic game (I own it on my PS4). But the Handheld titles are completely different and cater to a different crowd. The games are harder, there are more monsters, classes, etc. They aren't meant for everyone.

They both have their place.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

@Neonridr

"so I guess McDonald's is the best food in the world because they sell the most each year? Come on, don't try to throw numbers around."

So sales only matter when it is a Nintendo game that sells well, for everyone else they are irrelevant. I look forward to reposting your quote if you ever talk about sales of Smash Bros or Pokemon and how great games there are because of that sales success.

[Lovable]

I agree. MHW is by far the best MH currently in the market. It is extremely accessible, great graphics and in a more powerful machine. Anyone saying the other MH is better is delusional and have the elitist blind fold

[Neonridr]

@Gameseeker_Frampt - I am merely pointing out that sales don't indicate crap. The 3DS titles sold millions each in Japan. Are they suddenly not good now? The console game was out on more platforms, naturally it's going to sell more. Also, I am pretty sure I was pretty level in my comment there, even praising MHW seeing as I actually own the game for my Pro.

Games are great games because they are good, not because they sell well necessarily. See Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc.

@Lovable - so because someone prefers more monsters, classes, harder difficulty they are blind? Seems logical.

[Imalwaysright]

Gameseeker_Frampt

I have no idea where you took that from or why you just singled out nintendo games. Would you repost Neonridr comments if he did the same with an Activision or 2k game or does your stalking only apply to Nintendo games?

[Lovable]

More monsters and more difficulty doesn't translate to a better game, so yes, the point is invalid.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

@Imalwaysright

Oh look, another Nintendo N4G trainee. You seem quite offended when someone brings up the hypocrisy of talking about how sales don't matter when it isn't on their preferred console.

Here's you yourself talking about the sales of Pokemon and Smash Bros.
"No. Pokemon is bigger than Spiderman. No scratch that, much bigger than Spiderman. Pokemon is the biggest media franchise in the world and has already surpassed Star Wars in terms of revenue.

As for SSB, when it comes to gaming is bigger than Spiderman as well when you take in account how much each game from these franchises sell
http://n4g.com/news/2175533...

I suppose it actually isn't that hard to have an "idea where I took that from." You could list a few other of your fellow fanboys and I bet it wouldn't be that hard to find them also talking about how great the sales of Pokemon and Smash Bros are.

[Imalwaysright]

Gameseeker_Frampt

Trainee? I've been coming here for more than 10 years and I've seen many like you come and go. Neonridr was making a general statement that had absolutely nothing to do with publisher A, B or C but you did a nice job showing everyone your bias and don't compare what you did with what I did in that article. I was replying to someone that mentioned those IPs in an article that mentioned those IPs with facts. Unlike you I didn't pull illogical ramblings out of my but hurt towards a random company. Oh and btw if you thought that I would get shy by stating facts, then you are dealing with the wrong person.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

@Imalwaysright

So you've been coming here for 10 years yet you still haven't been able to complete the test and become a contributor? What is the holdup? There's currently over 200 pending articles so it cannot be because you are having trouble finding news stories to post.

Neonridr was not making a general statement because he has in the past talked about how great Nintendo games sell and here was downplaying the success of a game that is not on a Nintendo platform. One cannot have it both ways without being called out for the hypocrisy.

Also, how many of your quotes talking about the importance of sales would you like? I've done a quick look at your comment history and you are obsessed with sales. Kind of odd that someone with that obsession is upset when someone contradicted "so I guess McDonald's is the best food in the world because they sell the most each year."

[Sirk7x]

Monster Hunter World was still fantastic, and you can tell alot of time and effort was put into it. It'd be incredibly difficult to put in the amount of content from the 3DS games. No, it's not as hardcore as the other entries, but it's been one of the best releases this entire current gen I'd say.

[deafdani]

"Real gamers"?

Jesus, tone down that toxicity. You make us Nintendo fans look bad.

[michellelynn0976]

Sales alone do not make a game great. MHW also fell off a lot and it also shows the big demographic for the ps4, casuals who can't handle a real MH game. Which is fine, but the game itself is not really that good.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

Monster Hunter World is the highest rated MH game ever and it just sold 2 million copies on PC bringing its current sales well over 10 million. I do enjoy how the success of MHW bothers you fanboys. When G-rank gets added in year 2 - like it has been for previous MH games - I'm sure your head will explode.

[kevnb]

It starts out pretty easy, but it ramps up to typical monster hunter gameplay.

[Eiyuuou]

Lass, please stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It’s okay to prefer the 3DS games, but to go and play down MHW because of your personal preference is childish.

Do you honestly expect a brand new game, built from the ground up, to have the same amount of content as the 3DS games that have been reusing and building upon their older assets?

Please be reasonable.

[bluefox755]

@Eiyuuou I think it's more of a Nintendo thing. I rarely see her comment in articles that aren't Nintendo. Which is fine I suppose, everyone has their preferences. It's just unfortunate that those preferences often become tied to brand loyalty.

[King_Noctis]

You mustn’t have played alot of the old MH games then if you think MHW is the best in the series.

[Sirk7x]

MHW was amazing, don't get me wrong, with stellar production value. The reason many people love Monster Hunter though is because of the grind, and MHW is severely lacking in content compared to MH4U. Yes, it would have be a gargantuan task to model and animate over 100 monsters with the graphics and AI that World had, but the amount of time you can put into 4U is staggering. Some of the best times I've ever had gaming were weekly meetups with friends to hunt for the entire day.

[porkChop]

"Generations Ultimate is effectively an expansion pack"

"It's a tribute to old-school Monster Hunter, replete with old favorite monsters and familiar levels."

Well, the game is a port/remaster... Why are you judging it like a new game? I don't see the logic here.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Exactly.
Besides, everything that needed to be said was summed up when they said that this is the expansion for the core fans than have been with the series since forever, whereas monster hunter world was the entry for new players.

Which, contrary to the opinions of some of the over-sensitive Sony fans here, is not an insult, because the franchise needed a beginner's level entry to help get the fanbase expanded, so that the more core entries in the future would sell better, and help the franchise grow.

[AspiringProGenji]

I’m pretty sure those comments come from the usual diegard MH fans who say World has been casualised, but gotta throw them shaed at Sony fans as usual despite not being an exclusive right @Monkey?

[Neonridr]

@AspiringProGenji - or those Sony fans who through shade at all the Nintendo versions because they were jealous they didn't have the game to play for how many years?

I get that MHW is a great game, but let's not suddenly act like the previous entries are now garbage. They are a different style of game, leave it at that.

[AspiringProGenji]

What are yoo talking about? I said the diehard fans are saying World is casualised and shit. And truth is the series was being herd back by Handheld. See how MH4 looked worse than 3, but that didn’t stop the games from being fun. It was a good thing MH came to consoles at last

Who said previous games were garbage?

[michellelynn0976]

@ApiringProGenji so? They had 4 years to work on the game and they admitted aiming for a more inexperienced audience. Meaning the game got dumbed down.

[bluefox755]

You're just being dishonest. You know that making a game accessible and intuitive is not the same as "dumbed down", unless by "dumbed down", you mean less intuitive and harder to figure out? But why are those good things?

[michellelynn0976]

No I'm not being dishonest swing and a miss. It is not making it more accessable alone, it is how the game holds your hand basically. And yes, taking away a lot of the complex moves. Get over it, you liked a dumbed down game.

[michellelynn0976]

@Gameseeker_Frampt so? The number of online players has dropped and the game sales didn't hold up. A lot of actual MH fans hate this game. And, I'm not impressed anymore by games that get high scores from the video game journalist who basically need their hand held when playing a game.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

" I'm not impressed anymore by games that get high scores from the video game journalist who basically need their hand held when playing a game."

So Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey are crap in your opinion since the same journalists you are mocking now also gave them high scores. That is nice to know.

[michellelynn0976]

And, I never said that games that got good reviews are not good. I'm saying just because one gets good reviews doesn't make it great. And, I knew you would bring those two in. You might want to add GOW and Incharted 4 in there right? I'm shocked ask 4 of those games got great reviews. Especially BOTW, which lets you figure things out.
Maybe I need to be clear. RPG that get a high score don't impress me. I liked Persona 5, but even it's gameplay got dumbed down. There, is that better? Do you understsnd now?
The number of journalist who butchered Xenoblade, Octopath and Ni No Kuni just for having complex battle systems made me lose a lot of respect for them. Your gotcha moment failed.
Oh, and Mario and Zelda never dumbed down their gameplay and take out content just to appeal to more people. MHW on 3 systems can't outsell BOTW or SMO on 1 system.
And, I would have gotten used to it, if Capcom wanted to simplify the controls, but to cut the classes, arts, moves and monsters in half. That's inexcusable.

[michellelynn0976]

No, sales only matter for success. Not for what's great. XC2 is much better than FF XV. Sales be danged.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

"RPG that get a high score don't impress me" yet you bring it up in a non-RPG like Monster Hunter and then proceed to list a bunch of games that have almost no negative reviews on Metacritic. How exactly were those games "butchered" when they have positive ratings around 83? Seems like you are upset that the Playstation exclusive Persona 5 scored in the 90s and that is a sign that reviewers don't know anything about scoring RPGs. Do you feel the same way about Fire Emblem Awakening which scored 92? How about Xenoblade Chronicles which also scored a 92? Was Bravely Default also "butchered" with a score of 85? How about all those RPGs on Vita and 3DS that didn't score in the 80s - which ones in your opinion are critically underrated?

[TheFirstClassic]

How exactly was persona 5 dumbed down? If anything it felt more complex than 4 to me.

[michellelynn0976]

@Gameseeker_Frampt um MH is an RPG. An action RPG, but still. It's an RPG. And, once again when I say journalist I don't mean all. Did all critics or joirnalist bash XC2 for it's complex battle system? No, so the ones I'm talking about are the ones who trashed the game for that. And, Persona 5 is a great game, but did they dumb down the gameplay? Yeah, they did. Also, it's how MH was. If MH had always been like this, The way it is in MHW. Then I wouldn't cared.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

By that definition, almost every game created is an RPG. Frogger is an RPG since you take on the role of a frog. Halo is an RPG. Super Mario Bros is an RPG. What game DOESN'T count as an action RPG these days?

MHW has even less of the traditional RPG elements than Dark Souls - would you place Dark Souls and Octopath Traveler as the same genre and thus the reviews for them are both butchered? Horizon Zero Dawn must be an action RPG in your book so does that mean that it too was butchered by reviewers and should of scored higher?

[Neonridr]

there needs to be more than just playing a role for it to be an RPG. Stats, levels, abilities, etc. None of those games you listed in the first paragraph have any of that, so obviously no is the simple answer there.

Octopath is a traditional RPG, not action. Turn based, classic style gameplay.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

Halo has weapons with stats, Super Mario Bros has abilities - seems pretty RPG-like based on the criteria that some use to say Monster Hunter is a RPG. Would you consider The Legend of Zelda a RPG? It doesn't have stats, levels, or abilities yet some consider it a RPG.

[Eiyuuou]

How in the bloody blazes has Persona 5 been dumbed down?

[michellelynn0976]

The attack system. The buttons ans controls have been streamlined big time.

[TheFirstClassic]

Tha fuck? Having clear menu options is being dumbed down?

[Eiyuuou]

Streamlining =\= dumbing down.

[Casepb]

To no ones surprise this has become a Nintendo vs Sony thing. Good job usgamer.

[Eiyuuou]

Don’t blame it on Usgamer, blame the toxic pieces of waste who reside on this forum.

[King_Noctis]

You sir are right. Most articles, no matter how positive it is, are usually turned into a warzone by some people here.

I’ve been saying all along, the gaming community can be so toxic sometimes.

[PhoenixUp]

How is this a Nintendo vs Sony thing when Monster Hunter: World is also on Xbox One and PC?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Because it came to Sony's system first and that's where the majority of the sales and advertisement for it point?
I know that doesn't make it any less of a multiplat, though, so how about the fact that it's been mostly the overzealous PS4 MHW fans lashing out at MHGU, while pc and xb1 players aren't lashing out as much?
You can't really expect MHGU players to sit there and take it silently, when players who chose the beginners entry to the franchise (which is not an insult) start yelling that MHGU is terrible, and that MHW is somehow the best entry ever due to graphics and QOL handholding.

[PhoenixUp]

Wtf are you talking about? The Monster Hunter: World released on Xbox One the same day it came to PlayStation 4.

There’s absolutely no reason for this to be a Nintendo vs Sony discussion

[CrimsonWing69]

See that's the thing I could never get into Monster Hunter until World, like World was what I always wanted Monster Hunter to be... the older titles are definitely way more hardcore and a bit overwhelming to me. Not calling them bad, just I want a game where you team up with people, slay huge monsters, make loot, rinse and repeat.

[michellelynn0976]

@Eiyuuou I am not embarassing myself. Also, not just XX, but even the PSP and Vita games. Give me a break. Zelda BOTW was built on a new engine and it had a lot more content than the past Zelda games.
@bluefox755 And, I do comment on other posts, Nintendo is just my favorite.

[bigmalky]

I had never played a 3DS MH, up until after MHW... The camera was the only hurdle, and I got over that an hour in. It's not that bad.

I did play MHFU though.

[Harryvok]

Tried the 3DS version. Thought it was awful. Tried the WiiU version. Thought it was awful. Tried the Switch demo. Thought it was awful.

Monster Hunter World was excellent though.

[Kosic]

I tried the demo, not even 5 minutes in I deleted it. It felt so slow and clunky. I had tried MH before a few times on different consoles and handhelds. Same issue.

Would prefer darksouls combat in a MH world.