Sony issues weak response to Fortnite cross-play controversy on PS4 and Switch

Sony says it’s interested in fan feedback

[lociefer]

Rofl that's not even a response, that PR guy has a masters in spins

[Gazondaily]

Lol! What kind of response is that?

Starts off with saying we're always interested in what the community says then goes straight onto number of consoles sold and number of PSN players.

It's like something someone from N4G would post 😂

Good thing that the pressure is mounting. And it's coming from the PS community contrary to what people on N4G say...

[Xavi4K]

^^^^

This

And BTW what people in N4G is considered a minority of Ps4 fans...most ps4 fans that are actually gamers want cross play more than anything else.

You can see how many ps4 fans asking for this in communities with more adult conversations and discuess and less fanboys conversions from either sides such as Restera....

[Eonjay]

And yet the only people I see communicating about this is real minority. Find some other way to legitimize the existence of Xbox besides begging Sony to acknowledge you.

[Gazondaily]

^^^ That narrative is weak and tired. Look beyond N4G.

[Lon3wolf]

@Eonjay
"And yet the only people I see communicating about this is real minority. Find some other way to legitimize the existence of Xbox besides begging Sony to acknowledge you."

You should visit more sites than N4G tbh.

[Eonjay]

No, your stupid crusade is uniformed, childish and downright contrived because you (should) be old enough to form reasonable thoughts - the idea that one company HAS to placate to another is ridiculous. I tried to use Find a Iphone on my Android yesterday and it blocked me. Apple is not required to support Google on mobile. But Sony has to support Xbox Live? A competing paid service? Hell no. Reality Septic. Be realistic. This is getting stupid. For the painfully slow, the easier it is to play with a friend on PSN without buying PSN, the less likely Sony is to endorse anything like this with a competing paid service. That is not how any company operates. Shit, that not how Microsoft operated. The ship said on this when Microsoft started charging to play online and brought us here.

[bluefox755]

I have looked at it beyond N4G, and I don't know a single person in real life that cares. It's a non-issue outside of N4G, and you know it. I'm completely indifferent, but there's no need to be dishonest and pretend like there's this massive push for crossplay, lmao.

[Kribwalker]

@eonjay

and you still are failing to see what this is about. It is nothing to do about cross play, and every thing to do with Sony Trying to lock an epic account to their systems. To hold people hostage. Who cares about cross play or cross progression. They are holding you hostage for trying the game on one system.

Hell even BBCnews is reporting on this now. I said it before E3, and no one wanted to believe me, this fortnite stuff was gonna be big. Well, here you go

[Gazondaily]

@Eonjay

Disappointing that you have adopted the role of a corporate shill.

"No, your stupid crusade is uniformed, childish and downright contrived because you (should) be old enough to form reasonable thoughts"

You're the one shamelessly bending over backwards to accommodate a corporation taking away features from its end users (YOU).

You dont even know what the issue is do you? Why is Sony holding people's (including mine) EPIC account to ransom?

"I tried to use Find a Iphone on my Android yesterday and it blocked me. Apple is not required to support Google on mobile. "

Funny you say this because Sony and Apple's attitude to all things like this seem remarkably similar.

And this comment of yours really exposes you:

"Find some other way to legitimize the existence of Xbox"

You cannot detach yourself from the corporation you're so quick to prostrate to and defend.

Its all over the news and yet the same uninformed corporate shills spout that 'PS gamers dont care':

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/...

https://news.sky.com/story/...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/0...

[MuddyWaters]

Eonjay is a prime example of why Sony does get away with it. They have some very vocal fans who will defend Sony no matter what the policy is. See how he's so embedded in making this about Microsoft? This new controversy has to do with Switch getting Fornite and anyone who thinks of trying to play Fortnite on that system is screwed if their Epic Fortnite account has even been linked to PlayStation Network.

Sony is being very disingenuous here, they are not even addressing the situation. This isn't about crossplay, it's about Sony somehow blocking you from untethering your account so you can play Fortnite on another platform. Now ask yourself, why would anyone try and defend this?

[Prince_TFK]

@bluefox

Except that there are massive push for crossplay, especially from devs themselves. Like the others had said, try visiting some other sites sometimes.

[Asuka]

@Eonjay

Ignorant

[ZaWarudo]

I didn't know PlayStation PR guys were basically N4G users ROFL.

[GTgamer]

I don't even think yall Xbox fans care you guys just want something to talk about to paint Sony in the negative light because yall didn't go this hard for cross play when Ms denied Sony last Gen butttttt I digress or is it really lonely over there.

[Eonjay]

@Kribwalker

Sony doesn't have the ability to do that. Epic has to agree to do it for whatever reason they are doing it for. Sony doesn't own Epic. Therefore they are not responsible for responding to complaints about Epics accounts.

@Septic

The idea that you arguing on behalf of PlayStation gamers is a joke. I am actually pro consumer but giving Xbox the pleasure of playing with PlayStation gamers without expressly paying to do so as I have is not going to happen for the reasons I listed. The answer to you woes is not that Sony should give you free access to its paid content via a competitors paid/upaid content.

Take away the fan bull for a second and look at this a company that is making money by selling a product that it will not make if it allows anyone on (something that it is not intrinsically required to do). Perhaps you think that Sony should be handling Xbox Support as well. We could call it 'cross support'.

You just aren't a good debater because your your arguments are always too broad and lack any real critical thinking. And my comment about Xbox legitimization had nothing to do with my real argument. That was just me making fun of the Xbox community because Microsoft is the origin of this whole fake conflict if you want to really talk about money. Pure and simple.

[shinoff2183]

Sounds like something ms would say. Omg 7 billion hours played aaaahhhhhhhh

[RauLeCreuset]

@Septic

I don't care. Many PS4 users don't care. I would guess most of them don't. But to the extent any significant portion of them do care, it's as self correcting a problem as MS suddenly supporting cross-play now that they're way behind. You should fear the day Sony fully embraces it. You'll be forced to drop your latest favorite reason to bash Playstation in the same pile where you left your concern for exclusives.

[Gazondaily]

@Eonjay

That is what you call a response and then you say I'm not a good debater? Waste of time...

@Reulgenuine

"I don't care. Many PS4 users don't care. I would guess most of them don't."

Why lie? When the BBC is reporting it, social media is going mad about it, forums are filled with complaints, and this is the clincher, Sony's SHARES have gone down as a result of the issue, you still want to pretend that 'most don't' care about the issue? Deaf. Dumb. Blind.

"You should fear the day Sony fully embraces it. You'll be forced to drop your latest favorite reason to bash Playstation in the same pile where you left your concern for exclusives."

LOL! I actually want this to happen because it would make a massive difference to me. I have friends who play on all different platforms. One day, being able to play together irrespective of platform, that would be a game changer.

[gangsta_red]

@Septic

The best part about all of this is any "concern" about loot boxes, GaaS, DLC or microtransactions are now all moot and thier card for complaining about these things have been all officially revoked.

Because it's obvious as a flea on a dog's tip that most of these guys here will defend anything as long as it's attached to their fave company's box.

[Eonjay]

@Septic,

Sony isn't going to budge on this issue because they make money off of Plus. It is that simple. Everything else is irrelevant. This is a corporation. There base becomes a marketable resource for obtaining new business from people looking to play other online. Giving that to anyone would remove or reduce a reason for purchasing a PS4 and Plus. They aren't going to throw away that advantage and it is unreasonable to expect them to do so as no other company would. For other competing consoles, it is advantageous for them that Sony opens up its network to attract consumers away from Sony. Sony doesn't have to do this. Its not about feelings. Its about business. Its about money. Take the emotion out of it and really think. We aren't going to get anywhere if we just trade insults. No one is even discussing the real crux of the problem here. Its paid online multiplayer which has devolved into these dumb articles.

What really happened is that Fortnite is making Sony and Microsoft a lot of money. The player base is increasing and world of mouth is the catalyst here. Sony wants to lock in PSN subscription from friends who get on board from this word of mouth. On consoles, most of this world of mouth has to come from PS4 because of math. For Microsoft, crossplay would allow them to advertise Xbox as a potential option that you could get without missing your friends.

From a business prospective, both viewpoints are equally valid. Think about the business side of things doesn't make you a corporate shill. It keeps you honest and opens your eyes to how all side view the situation. There is no one viewpoint here. There is no wrong viewpoint here.

If you fail to acknowledge this you are wasting your own time being unrealistic.

[Eonjay]

@Krib

I read a little more about the account locking and I see why someone would have an issue with that. All Epic need to do is make it so that you can unlink your account from PSN if you want to take it somewhere else. I fail to see what the problem is here. Am I missing something?

[ziggurcat]

"Lol! What kind of response is that?"

The same kind of response as this:

"I checked with Microsoft to be sure Rodberg wasn't maybe just mis-hearing them. Maybe Microsoft wanted to break the barrier too? Here's a Microsoft spokesperson saying 'no,' while promoting how awesome the Xbox 360's online service is: 'Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability.'"

https://kotaku.com/5813740/...

Standard PR stuff.

[Gazondaily]

@Zig

LOL how is that response anything like the one Sony has provided? Sony didn't even answer the question!

That statement from MS actually makes sense because it answers the question, PSN was shit, PSN was subject to the biggest hacking scandal in history at the time and didnt even come close to Live. SO when Xbox said:

"We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch"

they are spot on.

And love the deflection. EVEN IF we argue that MS were completely wrong to stop it then, what bearing does that have on it now? When crossplay is more prevalent than EVER before, when more and more platforms are joining together, and where Sony is the SOLE outlier in the situation with Fortnite where its locking off content bought on PC and Switch.

You have repeatedly blamed some made up excuse in your head that this is Microsoft's doing. You keep reporting these articles to try and protect Sony.

Now where's your answer for what is happening to Switch owners? How are you going to blame Xbox now?

[PapaBop]

It is spin at it's worst but he/they have a point..why should Sony open the doors and give Nintendo access to all those users that they've spent over a decade nurturing since PSN's arrival while Nintendo were out there chasing an entirely different market? The whole not being able to access your Fortnite account on other consoles if you have it linked to your PSN is bad and that needs to change but Sony aren't going to budge on crossplay when they blatantly bolster vastly superior numbers in terms of online population.

[ziggurcat]

"LOL how is that response anything like the one Sony has provided?"

If you can't see the similarities, I don't know what to tell you. You asked what kind of response it was, and I cited a near identical response from MS when they were asked about cross-platform play between PS3/X360.

"You have repeatedly blamed some made up excuse in your head that this is Microsoft's doing."

Hmmm... no I haven't. You're confusing asking the question as to why Sony would be saying no citing that it's not outside of the realm of possibility that it's a MS policy that Sony isn't agreeing with (I've even stated that the policy could even be completely reasonable, and Sony's possibly just being stubborn about it, but you continue to ignore that), I'm not blaming MS for anything.

"You keep reporting these articles to try and protect Sony."

No. Several articles have been failed for beating the dead horse. This discussion is no different since there's nothing new anyone can add to the conversation, and all these things do is fuel flame wars.

"Now where's your answer for what is happening to Switch owners?"

Ask Epic. It's their account system.

[Sunny_D]

@eonjay

As a Playstation fan, it's actually unacceptable that Sony wants to hold an entire account hostage. That isn't something that should be applauded. The last thing we want Sony to do is be arrogant again like the early PS3 days. You let this pass with this, and they will come up with some other BS.

[RauLeCreuset]

@Septic

Can you establish that Sony shares are down because of Fortnight? Again, it's a self correcting issue. If enough PS4 gamers care for cross-play, Sony will simply change their position on it, the same as circumstances made MS change theirs.

"I actually want this to happen because it would make a massive difference to me."

Really? Then maybe you'll actually deliver this time when I ask you to show evidence you were pushing cross-play this much before MS made it an issue. I'll wait.

[RabbitFly]

That logic applies to all places though. No matter how many points of reference you find on internett forums you will still only be feeling the pulse of the vocal minority.

The majority of the playerbases on all consoles, don't even frequent gaming news sites and forums. They just play games.

[Rude-ro]

Yeah.. I was looking up how to transfer my Mario kart save files from the wiiu to my switch... it does not support that.
What is up with these companies!!!
I can not do it with my ea accounts, activision, Ubisoft, remasters on any console...
Just trash.
I hope this issue changes all of that!
Damn you Sony!!!!

:/

[MuddyWaters]

You're missing one key element, this is a free to play game. One of the most popular games right now and one that is prefect for playing on pretty much any device. This is not like trying to jam your N64 cartridge into a bluray drive on your PS4. The value is in your character and your progression with your Epic account and Sony thinks they own it.

Also maybe when Nintendo gets their online service up you will be able to do transfer save files.

[The 10th Rider]

But you CAN use your Fortnite account on PC and mobile if you've logged on using your PS4. You can also use it between PC/Switch/Xbox/Mobile as long as you haven't used it on PS4.

So literally it's a feature that's already in place, but Sony is blocking people from using their account on Xbox/Switch if it's been used on PS4. Hell, even if you unlink your account from PS4 you can't use it on Switch/Xbox. How is that even remotely similar to not being able to transfer saves across to a remaster?

[Rude-ro]

@MuddyWaters
Nah.. I think you missed the point.
It is not about copies of games, it about player saves and information.
The “outcry” is literally a pr attack on Sony. That is it,
Yes, in theory, the idea would be awesome and is awesome...
But the fact that this has existed since gaming started... the amount of backlash and attacking is way overblown and on purpose.
There is a far larger list of cloud based accounts protected from their own developers that do not cross share a players save information over this one game that has opened the door to it.
Name one other Microsoft game that allows me to access my progression on a competitors hardware?
Even Nintendo will not do it.
Remember when cod came to the wiiu? Where is the outcry for not allowing said scenarios? Or Raymond, or any other game...
That’s great, let’s move forward, but this negative attack over the FIRST situation is beyond a pr stunt to attack, that is it.

[pinkcrocodile75]

@rudero - MuddyWaters is right and you are 180 degrees wrong.

Actually listen the the issue and then try and tell all of the ps4 owner they are wrong.

[Aceman18]

Oh god Sony I know it's your business, and you have more than enough rights to run it that way, but please give these whiny a$$ entitled gamers what they want even though its probably less than 5% b**ching about.

Again though Sony you are well within your rights to tell MS no go f**k yourself like MS did to you last gen when you asked about.

Also let's not try to paint M$ as some good guys here when you friggin fanboys were willing and able to take it straight up the a$$ with all the anti-consumer s**t they wanted to implement at the start of this generation. Just remember everything they've done since was not for any gamers benefit, it was because NO ONE was buying their console with all that sh*t in it.

[gangsta_red]

Great comment, except...this isn't about MS.

The title... literally says PS4 and Switch.

And Sony never asked MS for crossplay last gen. You guys are extremely funny whenever you pretend this happened.

[IRetrouk]

Yes they did gangsta, what next, you gonna deny that the rrod happened too?😂😂

[gangsta_red]

@iretouk

Send me a link where Sony asked MS for crossplay then.

I have my emojis all ready for when you reply with the link(s).

[IRetrouk]

Here gangsta, i like to back up what i say, article with quotes from ms themselves, knock yourself out

https://www.google.co.uk/am...

Sounds alot like what sony said in response to crossplay dont it😂😂

[gangsta_red]

@iretrouk
So is Trion World's apart of Sony? Reading this article, where is it that Sony asked MS for crossplay? Like you and Aceman said they did?

Because I am absolutely, positively, 💯% sure I asked to see where SONY ASKED MS for crossplay.

😂 Emoji!!!!

I love that you guys say Sony asked MS, and then this is the article you always refer to and there's absolutely no sign of Sony asking MS. Happens every single time! It definitely takes a special type of....special, fo sho.

How confident where you when you had that link ready to go?

[IRetrouk]

see below

[IRetrouk]

Wow and this folks is how you spin, i gave you a direct quote from a direct source at ms saying crossplay wont happen, the fact that its not sony asking is of little importance and we both know there are more articles with other ms employees saying the same thing when asked by the media, just like how sony has said no so far, how are we going to know what conversations happened between companies?? The proof that ms said no is there, isnt even hard to look, i just linked the first article i seen that mentioned it, the goalposts wont be moving today gangsta, anything else?

[Gazondaily]

@Retro

Lol let me get this straight.

Gangsta said:

"And Sony never asked MS for crossplay last gen. "

You said: "Yes they did gangsta"

Then you send a link that has NOTHING in it where Sony asked Microsoft. Nothing whatsoever.

So who is spinning what??

It's simple. When did SONY ASK MS to do crossplay? It's not a trick question. It's very simple.

[IRetrouk]

Is gansta one of your alts septic? I really cant remember as you have a few, but for discusions sake ok, we have no quotes of sony asking ms directly that is true, not that we would as companies generally dont release that type of info, what we do have though is articles with ms employees openly saying ms wont allow cross-play, and there are articles where sony have said they were open to the idea, either way ms still said no, and thats the point isnt it?

[gangsta_red]

"we have no quotes of sony asking ms directly that is true,"

"the fact that its not sony asking is of little importance"

"we have no quotes of sony asking ms directly that is true,"

"the fact that its not sony asking is of little importance"

"we have no quotes of sony asking ms directly that is true,"

"the fact that its not sony asking is of little importance"

"we have no quotes of sony asking ms directly that is true,"

Classic...can't be stressed enough folks.

Retro...where is the link where Sony asked MS for crossplay, like you and Aceman said? The point is Sony never wanted crossplay with MS from the beginning, why you and others keep thinking Sony wanted it and then always bring up the same article that never mentions Sony asking MS at all is what slays me.

No one is arguing that MS denied cross play LAST GEN, what we're asking is when did Sony ask MS like you guys keep pretending they did.

Good try though.

Edit:
How come I'm Septic's alt, has it occurred to anyone that maybe HE is MY alt?

[Gazondaily]

@Retro

"we have no quotes of sony asking ms directly that is true"

Well then what on earth do you think Gangsta was saying when he said the same thing??

There's a big difference here. Microsoft sent an open invite and invited all platforms to it's network.

When people keep repeatedly and erroneously say "Sony asked a Microsoft" that's wrong or disingenuous.

And no he's not my alt lol.

[CyberSentinel]

The fact that Sony didn’t beg, and M$ is begging, makes them look even more desperate to me.

Does anybody who plays on PlayStation even care about Xbox?

Being in last place means you don’t call the shots.

[RVCOS]

Neither is a saint, M$ or $ony, they are both in a position to make money...weird how capitalism works LOL. Seriously, $ony is not going to shoot themselves in the foot by enabling crossplay, but it shoes they are not listening to gamers. Given the fact that was a big piece of them winning this generation. Gamers will not forget next go around if M$ can finally step up their 1st party..

[outsider1624]

"but please give these whiny a$$ entitled gamers what they want even though its probably less than 5% b**ching about"
I know you're being sarcastic, but boy do i agree with you there. Right now i actually want Sony to listen to these "Real Gamers". Tired of listening and seeing in every article, whining.
Hey Sony, just do it.

[Lokii]

Maybe phil spinster taught him.

[Xavi4K]

Sony is blocking people accounts For the players😂

[dirkdady]

Honestly Sony won't do anything because most PS4 players don't care. A few games journos making a ruckus won't do anything

Heck cross play with other platforms dropped off the most requested features list twice already (lookup PS4 most requested features) because PS4 owners just don't care. How do u expect Sony to care when most of their 80million owners don't

[Gazondaily]

"Honestly Sony won't do anything because most PS4 players don't care. A few games journos making a ruckus won't do anything "

Oh really? Then please explain this:

***Sony shares slide amid gamer backlash over 'Fortnite' PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch issue***

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/0...

[MuddyWaters]

This could become a pretty big issue and Sony ignoring it is doing them no favors. Fortnite is the hottest game right now and mix that with the hype over Switch and it getting the game and it could spell a black mark on Sony's clean record so far. Sony is looking like the bad guy and they don't want that. Greg Miller Tweeted about it. Jeff from Giant Bomb talked about it on his show. This is gaining more traction than the crossplay stuff before.

You now have CNBC News covering the story, (Sony shares also fell 2 percent and that may very well be the tipping point if they start to lose money over this)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/0...

Sky News is also covering this,
https://news.sky.com/story/...

Plus the BBC,
https://www.bbc.com/news/te...

It's really the only way they will change, from public pressure. Ask yourselves, what's the downside?

[AirJohnston]

Literally every reply to all their tweets for the past day have been about this. Obviously you’re not gonna care if you don’t have anything else to play it on, but for those of us who may want to be able to play it on our Switch, obviously we care

[dirkdady]

@septic, @muddywaters, lol get out of here nobody's going to take you seriously.

@Air
I would argue the vast majority of PS4 owners don't have anything else to play fortnite on so it's really going to be difficult to get traction on this I think tbh.

[TheEroica]

I care... I game on ps4 and switch... Sony again with their proprietary approach to life is the kid at the party who didn't put his deodorant on... Now we all suffer. Incompetence at its finest.

Tell you what too, any so called gamer who thinks Sony is in the right with all this is a fanboy of unimaginable degree

[trooper_]

Oh God, this fake outrage, LOL.

I'm literally in tears here. Let me know when every TV news outlet start reporting how unfair this is and Sony's the devil.

This made my morning.

[Doge]

Lmao what part of that reply was even related to the accounts being locked out from being played on the Switch?

Get outta here LOL.

[TeamIcoFan]

You spin me round, baby, right round!
Like a record baby, round, round, round, round~!

[maybelovehate]

Sony is everything wrong with gaming. ugh.

[Furesis]

over reacting much

[Prince_TFK]

They aren’t. There are many things that they do right, especially game-wise. It just that they are not perfect like most people here believe them to be.

[doggo84]

Lmao hahahahaha xbox fanboys are too funny.

[doggo84]

State of decay 2 much? Lmao. Sit right back down.

[OneLove]

Terrible come back.

[just-joe]

That's a weird way of spelling EA.

[Majin-vegeta]

And i wouldn't have it any other way.But keep crying.

[Lokii]

Says the biggest Xbox fan girl here.

[salmonade]

OH STOP with this manufactured outrage. Media are jumping all over this for clicks. Xbox fans are jumping all over this to throw shade on Sony any chance they get. IN REALITY no one cares, and the only people that really do are the 0.01% of people who are playing fortnite on ps4 and want to swap to the Switch. It probably even less than that.

[TeamIcoFan]

Boo hoo, poor Sony!
We should all just take it up the ass instead of demanding these corporations do better!

[Kribwalker]

some of the biggest PS media guys are on this. Look at Gregg Miller’s tweet yesterday
https://mobile.twitter.com/...

it’s only the minority that are defending this

[TeamIcoFan]

I am curious as to what mental illness would cause these people to continually suck the dicks of these corporations instead of demanding they do better. :/

[salmonade]

Greg Miller is a virtue signalling doofus.

[rainslacker]

OMG....not Greg Miller. This must be huge then!!!!

/s

Look, Sony should get this straightened out, but the "outrage" is overblown. Outrage typically is overblown for every issue, every time. In a few days, no one will care.

In the mean time, go look up what a minority is. We, as a collective community, are a minority, and the people talking about it are an even smaller minority within that minority. It takes quite a banding together of the community to affect change, and it doesn't happen that often, because people over-react about the wrong things.

[Asuka]

Ignorant

[Doge]

Maybe don’t give links and data about who’s complaining a hard pass while pulling statistic out of your own ass.

Just a thought.

[Slevon]

Why would Xbox fans care about this? They arent the ones being locked out. This is good for everyone and just because you dont have any friends with other consoles out there doesnt mean the majority of people dont

[Kiwi66]

Because they are gamers too and stuff like this matters to everyone

[shuvam09]

I hope that crossplay happens sooner rather than later...
Just give us the option to opt out of it as well...

[CR7JUVE1897]

Sony needs to do their customers a solid in this particular instance.

Epic also has to take equal responsibility as well.

[The 10th Rider]

Epic needs to take responsibility for what? If Sony allowed crossplay with Xbox/Switch the whole account thing would be completely eradicated.

[CR7JUVE1897]

Epic had to have known that this would happen, yet failed to tell anybody about it. There is no way that they could not have known. Let's not make Epic out to be innocent in all of this. it is their game, after all.

[The 10th Rider]

Fair enough that they should have known. But it no way should they have equal blame as Sony. That's just trying to point the finger away from the root of the issue.

[bluefox755]

Wow, they're really trying hard to make people care about this...

[TeamIcoFan]

I prefer to think of it as them trying really hard to get people to not be mindless corporate shills.

[MuddyWaters]

That might be harder than to fix this.

[Kribwalker]

you need to get out of your bubble. Their anti-consumerism is affecting sony shares
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/0...

big media outlets are reporting this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/...

the sony and playstation twitters are being lit up

resetera is all over it

Big Sony guys on twitter are on it

and it’s making a mockery of their slogan

“For the players”

[XtaZ]

No cross-play "for the players"

No EA access "for the players"

No digital refunds "for the players"

No backwards compatibility "for the players"

PSN price increase while removing PS3 and Vita games from PS+ in the future "for the players"

Extremely limited mod support "for the players"

Terrible PS4Pro game patch support "for the players"

Insanely overpriced PSVita Proprietary memory cards "for the players"

Greatness awaits...

[IRetrouk]

Happens if you log into switch too dont it? Why no heat for nintendo?

[Kribwalker]

Retrouk

it doesn’t happen if your account is not linked with a sony account. I played from xbox to my switch last night. if my account had been linked to my PS4 i wouldn’t have been able to do that. There’s only one platform that prevents that.

[IRetrouk]

If you play on switch first it locks you out on playstation and vice versa, has nothing to do with any other consoles, this is an epic issue, but again i dont see you going out of your way to ask what nintendo is doing about it.

[Kribwalker]

@ret

i can’t believe you are trying to spin this. Works fine on xbox if you start you account on switch. Sony is locking out accounts from other platforms. Which is fine. But Sony are holding people hostage by not letting Epic allow PS4 linked accounts on other consoles, essentially locking them out of their own accounts, that no other platform is doing

[IRetrouk]

What part dont you get?? It happens if you use a ps4 account on switch and vice versa!! Its an issue on epics end, they wont even answer their fans about it, i aint spinning anything, its an issue but ya flingging mud at the wrong house, this issue has only happend since the switch version was added, use your brain man.

[ziggurcat]

how certain are you that the blocking is coming from Sony's end, krib? it could easily be a back-end thing Epic has to tweak to allow cross-progression between Switch/PS4, but that would mean it's not Sony's fault, and we can't have that, right? has anyone asked Epic or has the finger only being pointed at, and just assumed it's Sony because of the cross-play thing? is cross-progression available if you play on Xbox and move to PS4, and vice versa?

[Kribwalker]

@ziggur and retrouk

I’m 100% certain it’s sony.

Cross save won’t work xbox to PS4 either. But cross save works xbox to switch and vice versa.

“NOTE: If you have previously linked your account to a PSN account you will be unable to link your Nintendo account. You need to create a new Epic account in order to successfully link your Nintendo account.”

that’s from epic

http://www.nintendolife.com...

http://images.nintendolife....

You get the same message on xbox with a ps4 linked account. But i can play with my xbox account on my switch

https://www.polygon.com/201...

You can’t be so daft to actually believe what you are typing are you?

https://s15.postimg.cc/4r5d...

[gangsta_red]

**“NOTE: If you have previously linked your account to a PSN account you will be unable to link your Nintendo account. You need to create a new Epic account in order to successfully link your Nintendo account.”

that’s from epic
**

But Krib are you 20009877% sure that it's Sony's fault?

That quote doesn't mean anything because there might be a slight chance that it's not Sony doing this even though Sony has blocked crossplay with other games and even though almost every media outlet is reporting that Sony is locking epic accounts who try and play on Switch.

We still can't be for certain that it's Sony's fault right?

And what about Microsoft!!! And Xbox!! And RRoD!!! Remember that!!?

[ziggurcat]

"I’m 100% certain it’s sony."

Interesting, I had no idea you had access to both Epic's and Sony's server back ends to be able to determine who the culprit is in this situation.

"You can’t be so daft to actually believe what you are typing are you?"

Believe in what? I asked you questions because a) you seem to think you are 100% certain even though you don't actually have 100% of the information and b) no one has really asked Epic about this, which is strange seeing as it's their account system.

If the problem is on Epic's end: fix it. If the problem is on Sony's end: fix it. Either way: fix it.

[rainslacker]

This whole issue came out what? Two days ago? Their shares dropped 2% yesterday or today?

Somehow, I think the two things aren't all that related, and if they are, it's only temporary. 2% variance on any given day isn't something to freak out about. If it keeps going down, then they'll figure out why, but I'm sure a knee jerk reaction to some policy of theirs isn't it.....particularly after a strong E3 showing which left people with a lot of good faith in the brand.

So what if the shares went down for one day? When Sony starts talking numbers, and profits again, it'll go up....unless they're losing money.

PlayStation isn't even traded on the stock market. Sony proper is, and it's highly stupid to think that one thing like this somehow has such a big effect on their stock prices.

Quick clarification question though.

Is the account locked on Epic's server, or is the account just locked from play on the PS4?

[Kribwalker]

the account is just locked from PS4

[ziggurcat]

@rainslacker:

"Is the account locked on Epic's server, or is the account just locked from play on the PS4?"

the account is more than likely on Epic's server - it would have to be, I think, for cross-progression to properly work. it could be that Epic lumped cross-progression in with cross-play in their back-end account permissions, and they might have to just create a separate permission for cross-play and a separate one for cross-progression.

I see no reason why cross progression would be blocked even if there's no cross play between PS4 and the other consoles. I don't think it should be (just like I don't think cross play should be blocked because it doesn't do any harm to anyone), and whoever's responsible needs to fix the problem.

[Silly gameAr]

Yep. They're working overtime.

[Vizigoth04]

Hmmm I know I've commented on this I the past but to be truthful this "catastrophic situation" doesn't effect me. I don't play Fortnite. Not my thing. I am currently playing Detroit Become Human. I can't transfer my progress to The Switch or Xbox but my gosh I guess that is why I bought a PS4. On the flip side. If Sony decides to flip the switch then they will flip the switch. But nonetheless the console war will undoubtedly continue. I have stated in the past how it would be fun to have crossplay on a game such as FFXIV or other online MMOs and view the other platforms as factions and how much they contribute to a quest, mission or raid. Whether we're teaming up cooperatively or competitively. I think it would just be nice for all games to have a visual representation of stats of the other platforms.

[aconnellan]

“this "catastrophic situation" doesn't effect me. I don't play Fortnite”

And that’s fair enough. But people are reporting it’s not just Fortnite - if you play any game on PS4 that uses an Epic account, you then can’t use that Epic account on any other console.

[PowerOfTheCloud]

Sony only should do this if THEY want to and not listen to shill journalists and fanboys from the competition who want to find a weak spot on sony which they can attack.

It's ok to not give the competition access to your large userbase. Sony has nothing to gain from this and much to lose.

I understand that sony wants gamers, who want to play together with their community, to buy a playstation console instead of a niche console from one of its competitors.

I have nothing against crossplay, but it is nothing i think about in my daily life. In real life I don't remotely know or heard of A SINGLE person that even still has a console other than ps4.
Like i wrote, if sony allows it- fine. But i truly hope they won't give in to this smear campaign. This would would send a sign of weakness that possible would lead into future campaigns by the competition to harm sony and change how they make business.

[aconnellan]

“Fanboys from the competition”

Yeah because /r/PS4 on Reddit is actually just millions of Xbox fanboys in disguise, right? And everybody complaining on Sony’s Twitter is actually just an Xbox gamer too

/s

“It's ok to not give the competition access to your large userbase. Sony has nothing to gain from this and much to lose”

This isn’t even about crossplay at the moment - if you ever use an Epic account on your PS4 (if it’s on Fortnite or any other game that needs an Epic account), then that third party account is locked to your PlayStation forever. If you own a Seitch and want to pick up your progress where you left off, then too bad.

This same thing doesn’t happen with any other console or device.

How is that consumer friendly? Why is this being defended?

[TheDriz]

What’s funny about this is the numbers show you guys don’t actually care. And bad pr is actually going to help them through this. If you wanna do something stop playing the game and run investors off. But these outrage articles do nothing and they never have. You can look to Star Wars to see what good outrage did. You guys are liars and are still going to play the game. You just are.

[PygmelionHunter]

Except Epic has no problems with allowing their users to play together regardless of platform, and not playing the game would only hurt THEM, not Sony’s investors who would actually be able to push Sony to stop this nonsense.

Your analogy about EA’s Battlefront is meaningless.

If Sony doesn’t want to do crossplay, that’s their problem AND their loss, but don’t lock people’s Epic accounts, for God’s sake.

[Lovable]

Don't care at all. Journalist can make thousands of these article and Sony won't give a damn. The only people who cares about these are Xbox Fanboys who doesn't have anything to throw against Sony.

[doggo84]

Guess what? after releasing detroit, God of war and SOTC already so this year, we are still getting Spiderman, 13 sentinels and fist of the north star. I can pretty much guarantee all those games will be highly acclaimed. Microsoft have given it's fanbase sea of thieves and state of decay 2 so far this year, both have stuttered at best from what i've seen and read (have an xbox, not going to even bother getting them until something decent comes) with the only other noteworthy upcoming exclusive being (another) forza this year, how exciting. but apparently a flashy E3 presentation holds more weight than actual games judging by the articles which have been flying around thew last 2 days. End of the day, Sony is overwhelmingly slapping Nintendo and Micorsoft on the game's front. Why is no one talking about Nintendo's God awful E3?

[The 10th Rider]

What does that even remotely have to do with Crossplay or the Fortnite account issue?

[Lovable]

What's bias about something I don't care about? It's the exact same situation with that "Cross Chat" crap which I never even used at all and again Xbox Fanboys made a HUGE deal about.

[goldwyncq]

You should get out of your bubble more often. A lot of GENUINE Playstation fans (the ones who actually give a damn about gaming) are pissed off about this, and for a good reason.

[Gh05t]

Good luck trying to reach these bigots. Its as if they dont realize that PS4 owners may also own a Switch, GASP!

[Lovable]

And I care that someone own a Switch cause?

[Cheesetoenails]

your bias is showing. I am a multi-console owner and I would love to see it happen. Its not xbox fanboys, its sony's base as proven by fact with all the links show above and not conjecture as you have said.

[WhiteyFox]

They don't even address the issue...

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Xbox ❤️ Nintendo ❤️ Gamers

[PowerOfTheCloud]

Lol

[StarElite]

K

[trooper_]

Oh please....

[blacktiger]

Sony shouldn't screwed with the fortnite account otherwise nobody cares about cross play. Dude as long I can play online that's all matter

[Platformgamer]

do another account and stop whining, if you want to play fortnite on switch you have to do another account because sony rightfully hate nintendo and don't want to join it, never forget the past guys

[Kribwalker]

and if you have spent money on items and want to be able to transfer it to other platforms like every other platform does you are just screwed then?

[Doge]

Oof. You okay there bud?

[kevnb]

the same company that will charge per game to use their emulators... Before you disagree do some research, hackers have exposed the functionality.

[Imalwaysright]

It was pretty obvious last gen. How would the PS3 slim run PS1 and PS2 games bought from the PSN store if the PS3 slim didn't have the PS2 chip? Sony has working PS1 and PS2 emulators since last gen.

[shinoff2183]

Is this that big a deal? I don't play online games as I think they are a waste of time. I'll take single plAyer or couch Co op any day.

[superchiller]

No, its not a big deal at all. Nothing more than manufactured outrage promoted by anti-Sony trolls.

[aconnellan]

Completely untrue. N4G represents the minority of PlayStation gamers - go look at /r/PS4 or Twitter, where 90% of PS gamers are up in arms about this.

There’s nothing manufactured about it. If you’ve ever used an Epic account on PlayStation, you then can’t play with that account on another console. How is that ok?

[masterfox]

Great simple response for a simple ridiculous nonsense issue.

[Imalwaysright]

What response?

[superchiller]

Agreed. It's a complete non-issue. People should play the game on whatever platform they want, and just make a new account if they want to play on a different system. All the fake outrage is just trolls trying to throw shade on Sony for a silly minor reason.

[Kiwi66]

You shouldn't have to create a new account though as you don't need to with the other platforms the game is on

[dreue]

Lol.... I dont care if i have cross or not... But if a lot of people really wants this, lets say at least 50% of all ps4 fortinite players then sony listen to them and do it....

[goldwyncq]

The amount of ignorance from the fanboys on this site is nauseating. Please understand what the issue actually entails before commenting. This isn't about some petty console war, so stop worshiping Sony and start holding them accountable for their mistakes if you truly give a damn about Playstation.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

So, if Sony is in such a lofty place sales wise and already offering Fortnite cross-play support with PC, Mac, iOS, and Android devices...why not just allow the accounts to be usable on all platforms? The answer, I think Sony is very afraid of the Switch at this stage of things.

[akaFullMetal]

This should be something easy to figure out unless it is a business decision by Sony and epic games.
I have no leg in this as I rarely play fortnite but if people want to see change they should boycott playing fortnite on ps4. Once numbers drop Epic will really start to look into this with sony.

[IRetrouk]

You xbox fanboys are funny man, did you lot not read what has happened properly or what, Both the ps4 and switch do this to your account, but only if you go ps4 to switch or switch to ps4, all you fanboys blaming sony when its an epic issue lol go cry on the nintendo boards too please, seeing as you are so concerned😂😂

[Kribwalker]

🙄

If your account is linked to PS4- No Xbox, No switch

If your account is linked to xbox- No PS4 Yes Switch

if your account is linked to Switch- No PS4, Yes Xbox

one common denominator. PS4 Blocking

[SpineSaw]

I get what your saying but Sony has been clear ...no cross-play, no share play, no play in any way with other platforms named Xbox or Nintindo so why is this a problem? If you own a PS4 and your not happy pick another gaming console because the overwhelming majority of PS4 gamers are good with the Sony policy of no Cross-play, no account moving play, no play of anykind with those lesser platforms. I was once a Xbox gamer and was not happy with the Xbox way of doing things and I picked another platform and moved on and if your a unhappy PS4 gamer move on and your problems are solved and if your not a PS4 owner/ gamer you have no say in this. Sony has been clear now maybe the Xbox, Nintindo crowd is hard of hearing or maybe they don't understand no means "NO" idk but Sony has been clear. This is a dead never been or never will be a issue.

[Realms]

It's not about Sony Epic requires you to create a log in which is then tied to whatever system you own be it PS4, Switch, PC or xbox. Sony has been very clear about cross play so there is no problem with PS4 to PC, Android, iOS accounts tied to the PS4. It's only with Switch and Xbox people really need to read the terms of service before signing up for an Epic account.

[IRetrouk]

The only issue is when you try using a ps4 account on switch or a switch account on ps4, it still works as it did other than that, the issue is epic, not sony or nintendo, go talk to epic, who arnt answering any fans at all i should point out.

[dumahim]

Watch them just continue to ignore the issue and add the game to Vita instead.

[kevinsheeks]

Certain segment of n4g users sound like sony pr shills ,I'd be shocked if they weren't being paid or either their children living outside of reality. . every other site users are complaining and they have bigger user-bases than n4g you can stay on here because you have other vocal minorities making that small echo-chamber seem bigger than it actually is. Just because a few of you come out and try to scream the situation away doesn't mean it'll change anything, real gamers. . not fanboys are upset about the situation and guess what there are more of us than you. it's a big world outside of n4g you probably should stay here though were your crazy rantings can sound logical because other illogical people will vouch for you.

If you truly cared about sony you'd be supporting the customers because customers are what keeps sony alive, but in your mind you somehow think sony is self-sustaining and doesn't need us. also please stop trying to drag xbox and ninty into the conversation it comes off pathetic, this is sony doing this not the other two stay on topic.

Let us mature gamers handle this situation and you go back to using emojis and trying to badly change the narrative.

Same with those battlefront trolls on n4g who came into every article "you don't matter, LEAVE EA ALONE!!!!!" I also think were paid shills but fan outcry again won over. . .and it will this time to . . .

[gamer7804]

Sonys response basically reinforces to consumers that they should play on switch or Xbox for all third party games. Use your ps4 only for exclusives.

[SAFYIIR]

Sold all of those consoles and still can't give the people what they want. What are they afraid of? MS said always online and y'all pooped your pants lol I haven't physically shared a game yet! Enable cross play Sony! Hurry up!

[Cobra951]

I still say this isn't really about crossplay. It's about Sony appropriating the rights of 3rd-party account holders, if they make the mistake of linking those accounts to PSN. Say you get Fortnite on PC, and you get an Epic account as a result. You can then play to your heart's content on several platforms. It's a F2P game. But if you decide to check it out on the PS4 using your Epic acct, ouch! You just got slapped with a new restriction. Now you can't play it on the Switch, at least. That mistake is irreversible, from what I've read so far. Your Epic account is terminally poisoned.

[RomanPSX]

"The point is to show that give any of them a bit of a lead and they turn into arrogant assholes who shit all over their paying customers." Quote - Rachel Dratch.

[SpineSaw]

In what way is Sony being arrogant a-holes? They have said no to cross-play and if anyone though they could move their Fortnite account from one platform to another that Sony has no deals with well, you now know you thought wrong. Here's the thing.... if your a PS4 gamer and your so butthurt that Sony will not ever allow cross-play with the 2 lesser platforms Xbox and Nintindo you have clear options just pick one of those platforms and purchase that console and you should finally be content.....now if you don't game on the Sony PS4 then you have no place in this discussion so to you it's time to shut up and move on. #NeverCross-Play...#NeverXbox

[goldwyncq]

Wow, such ignorance. Maybe if you get your head out of Sony's ass you'll understand just how serious the problem is, but I doubt that will ever happen.

Blind sheeps like you are what will ultimately pull Sony and the Playstation to the ground.

[SpineSaw]

@goldwyncq
Your right I don't see not doing cross-play with the lesser Xbox and Nitindo platforms as a problem. I don't see it as a problem at all in any way. Now maybe you can explain how not doing cross-play is as you put it a "serious problem". I'll respond and if I fill your right I'll admit I'm in the wrong but with that said I just don't see Sony staying out of the cross-play game with Xbox and Nintindo as a problem. And add to that there is little, very little demand from the PS4 gamers to join the lesser platforms so please explain how I as a gamer and Sony as a company is in the wrong.

[dangerousbrian0]

But it doesnt mean they are going to do anything about it though look at what Sony said at first when people wanted to know if Sony was going to do Cross Platform Play.

[Gh05t]

Sony showing that they are for the gamers again.

This is when Phil and Reggie need to come together to make an instructional video about how to play games cross platform.

[Wintersun616]

Who cares? Fortnite is lame and crying for crossplay is just another excuse to whine and complain about Sony for people who have bought only an Xbox or Switch.

[djsilke45]

Just create another account jesus

[ghostrider32]

According to N4G, the Japanese can do no wrong. It's a lot of upset people, about their accounts being locked.

[trooper_]

Why does this have to be a racial issue?

This is why this fake outrage is stupid.

[ghostrider32]

It's not a racial issue. The Japanese are not the problem. Their toxic and obsessed fans are the problem.

[joab777]

This IS a smart move Sony....make it happen!

[yomfweeee]

This may be the game that gets them to change their mind. The continued backlash is going to outweigh their market hold and desire to keep players on Playstation.

[Gaming_Guru]

A time the end of the day, who really cares? Yes it would be nice but, it doesn’t really change anything.

[AgeInTheCage]

Funny how the only people that seem to care for cross play is xbox and switch owners. Ps4 players can CROSSPLAY with PC. I do it all the time. I get to use the gear i own on ps4 on pc and vice versa.

[Gh05t]

This only affects PS4 owners lol. The irony to blame all this on anyone else when the only people affected are PS4 owners who also own and want to play on Switch.

[Realms]

Yet the most vocal about it are xbox fanboys many PS fans don't care and while it may affect some PS gamers not all PS gamers care.

[ZayBo06]

I want to know how many people were upset and how many articles were wrote about Microsoft refuse to allow cross-play during xbox 360/ps3.

[Spacebilly]

How about they unlock accounts, but stuff people bought on PSN stays on their PSN??? Is that ok for everyone?

[Realms]

The funny thing is that nobody cared until Fortnite blew up hell all they could talk about was how PUBG was this massive success. The fact is that Fortnite became massively popular in part due to it being free and having access to the largest install bases PC and PS4. So if people want to cry about not being able to play the game on the Switch that's on them for not reading the terms of service which by the way fall under Epic not Sony.

[fsydow1]

We can already play with people on pc and mobile therefore i dont care about switch or xbox cross play

[fsydow1]

This crap is only coming from xbox fanboys looking for bad playstation publicity lol

[uGLYmE]

I want my PS4 discs to work on Xbox consoles. I want my PS4 controller to work on a Switch. Hell, I want my Netflix shows to be watchable through Hulu.

Why would a company give a player a reason to buy a competing console? Just to be awesome, get some good press? To appease that one lonely Xbox/Switch player that can't play with all their friends who have PS4's?

There's no lack of PS4 players in the community. Competing consoles need crossplay because their install base gives forth ghost towns for game lobbies.

[ghostrider32]

If they don't wanna cross play, let them. Beside, what Xbox and Nintendo fans wanna deal with verbal abuse from the Sony side? PS fans treat Xbox and Nintendo fans like sugar honey ice tea.