DICE: We'll Always Put Fun Over Authentic; We Wanted To Empower Player Choice, Diversity & Inclusion

DICE commented on the community's tepid response to the Battlefield V customization options seen in the trailer, saying that they'll always put fun over authentic and while they treat history with great respect, they wanted to empower player choice, diversity and inclusion in Battlefield V.

[KaiPow]

Gimme that Wake Island 2018!

[Skull521]

Yuck, this is like Disney’s response to the Star Wars fandom. I may have to just skip this game if diversity and inclusion are the drivers and not pleasing the Battlefield community that has been supporting you for 16 years...

As for player customization and choice that’s all well and good, but how about you give me the choice in my game to just see people in period authentic uniforms, and they can see whatever they want on their screen?

[BadElf]

Agree. What exactly is the "Company customization" they were talking about? They said you will be able to change what YOU want to see, where what I see could be different than yours. Im hoping they mean we'll be able to make it more authentic... so if fools are choosing women with mohawks, I dont have to see it on my screen

[Lord_Sloth]

I could be wrong here but are they supposed to be guerrilla fighters? They seem very haphazard like just a bunch of schmucks who got caught up in the fighting which did happen in areas all across Europe during WW2. It's entirely possible this is about a group of poor souls who woke up 1 morning and found themselves in hell.

[NarooN]

Because player skins = a great way to weasel microstransactions into the game.

[Princess_Pilfer]

Nothing says authentic war shooter like WW1 being full of fully automatic rifles and people leaping out of modern fighter jets mid flight, sniping an enemy fighter pilot, and landing in the now dead pilots jet, hijacking it mid flight.

Battlefield hasn't been realistic in decades, and it's sorta silly to pretend it has been.
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[Daeloki]

Dude, it's a game, it's fictional, it's based on something real, but still fictional.

But I'm wasting words here, the community is probably better off without you anyway

[Aceman18]

I wasn't buying the game because I'm tired of FPS right now, and I'm done with EA but goddamn I can't believe ppl on here throwing a b***h fit because of a female character in the game. There are much more pressing issues going on besides a women in a shooter game 😒

[The 10th Rider]

It's more than just that. It's a female character with a prosthetic arm and a sniper rifle that doesn't look like she could be from any military from across history. If they'd just put in some female characters, but made it so they looked like they belong in WW2, I'd roll my eyes but ultimately I wouldn't think it was that big of a deal.

[sampsonon]

they have mommy issues

[3-4-5]

I would love for them to bring back Kharg Island from BF3 in a DLC.

[elli0t]

Woke Island

[ArchangelMike]

To be honest with you I don't know what all the fuss is about. So what there's a female Scott with a prosthetic arm, and a Soldier with a Katana strapped to his back. If the game is fun, with great a great and involving story as well as engaging mutiplayer modes and addictive gameplay loops and mechanics, so what, isn't that what we pay money for, to have a fun and engrossing experience? I don't think I've ever seen an ultra-realism historically accurate WWII game that set the gaming charts alight. What if DICE implemented one shot kill permadeath, so you think that would make for a fun game or a more frustrating experience.

[Alexious]

People just always have to find something to complain about.

[Anzil]

Realistic doesn’t equal Historically accurate.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Why is it whenever a woman is included as a main role theres always people to complain about it? Its a video game for christ sake! People so triggered over a video game character shouldn't be playing video games but instead seek mental help

[Goldby]

@Hayden

oh like Tech companies making millions off of a War that has killed countless people on both sides?

please, its a video game, not an 8th grade hsitory project.

games are meant to be fun over realistic. its not Battlefield simulator. its justa game

[EazyC]

It feels like the antithesis of BF1942, which really did strive to be an authentic era-appropriate experience. How we've imposed our societal "inclusiveness" to retrofit history is actually quite insulting to those that fought.

[Daeloki]

@EazyC those who fought in WWII probably don't give a crap, in fact they probably disapprove of gaming in general so what does it really matter anyway?

[qazitam67]

100% correct. If you want a ultra realistic military simulation what are you playing BF for? It has never been that.

[Anzil]

Again with this unintelligent spew.... Realistic doesn’t equal Historically accurate.

[Sunny_D]

Realistic doesn’t equal Historically accurate.

Ok, but unless the devs otherwise state that they are going for a historically accurate rendition, there really shouldn't be fuss over how they want to tell the story.

We don't want another Genji again with a giant enemy crab again, lol.

[EazyC]

The same reason that FIFA has correct teams and branding, you want it to visually look like the real thing. That argument is so silly.

[The 10th Rider]

@Sunny_D,

But in the past Battlefield has been a franchise that has aimed for an authentic feel. Evidently V completely throws that out the window.

[Christopher]

I also don't care, but if DICE were honest about 'always' prioritizing fun, you'd think we would have had some of these changes years ago.

[FPS_D3TH]

Plllleaaaase.... as if none of the other battlefields are fun.

[Christopher]

They are defining fun here as the changes made and saying they prioritize it. If that was true, these obviously not at all new concepts would have been in older games.

No one is saying the games aren't fun, but the reasoning for making these changes now don't make sense other than "it's good marketing now and we didn't need it before."

[Anzil]

Simple. Historically accurate doesn’t equal realistic. This is why liberal idealists will always lose.... they don’t know the argument they’re argueing. People want unrealistic gameplay in a historically accurate setting if you’re going for a distinct setting.

[Rude-ro]

“Historically accurate doesn’t equal realistic.”

Liberal: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

🤔😂😂&# 128514;

[Team_Litt]

Liberal idealists will always lose? Wow! Lol are you listening to yourself bruh? All this because there's women in a game? Who said DICE were going for historical accuracy to begin with?

Anyway from where I'm sitting the 'liberal idealists' already won and you are crying about it.

[FunAndGun]

Simple, Historically accurate doesn't equal fun.

You can go play a different game I guess because this is not the boring historically accurate game you're looking for. Maybe try the History channel and use your couch for cover?

[qazitam67]

This is why you cant have a reply section with American's in it. There is always that group that turn a conversation no matter what it is into Liberal vs Conservative crap making the rest of the intelligent Americans look guilty by association. This is about BF5, not Trump vs Pelosi.

[FPS_D3TH]

It’s a lot of fragile masculinity imo. Nobody cares if cod does it but they do once battlefield tries to make their own multiplayer progression meaningful with loads of unlocks. Gamers are their own worst enemy and complaining is in vogue.

[Hungryalpaca]

Stop using game mechanics to explain away why people don’t like the aesthetic. It’s stupid and is comparing apples to oranges.

[-Foxtrot]

"Several fans voiced their disagreement on Battlefield V’s customization options, which include body types, gender, war paints and more, as being too inaccurate from a historical point of view"

Yet for some the only thing they take from that is "OMG How sad people are complaining about a women"...like that's the only thing.

To see a WW2 game with people being shirtless, covered in body paint, unrealistic hairstyles and the like while giving off the wrong vibes like it's steampunk like is a little silly especially when they say things like "Experience the most intense, immersive Battlefield yet", as it kind of comes off like they are contradicting themselves. If they wanted those kind of things then they should have just made a full on alternative WW2 game which tells a completely different take on it.

"The female soldier in the key art portrays an unseen and untold perspective of World War 2 that is often overlooked"

What story is that though? If you were doing a story about a group of every day townsfolk who create a Resistance to defend their small city/village from a Nazi assault or about a Russian squad with one of the Russian snipers I get it but a female soldier who went on the front lines, at the heart of the battlefield while having a prosthetic hand? Never heard of anything quite like that. What inspiration did it come from while doing their historic research for the game?

[meka2611]

couldn't agree more. If they want all this just make a fantasy shooter, not something from history.

[-Foxtrot]

Thing is we wouldn't mind that considering it would space the other titles out more

Battlefield
Battlefront
New IP

They've kind of ruined Battlefront so they need to lay off that for a while if they know what's good for them

[Teflon02]

Um... it's a video game... BF1 wasn't that enjoyable because it followed WW1 too much. This time they're making it better... People who think BF is suppose to be a war simulator need to wake up. BF was never a war simulator. It's a war game. I like battlefield for it's large scale combat and team play. Not for the stupidness people are crying about. Cosmetics aren't a issue. Everything in the games free now but cosmetics. Are you going to cry just because you're being t-bagged by a girl character instead of a guy? Really?

[-Foxtrot]

"Are you going to cry just because you're being t-bagged by a girl character instead of a guy? Really?"

What did I say in my original comment above? Huh?

"Yet for some the only thing they take from that is "OMG How sad people are complaining about a women"...like that's the only thing"

And guess what? You did JUST that...

[Nineball2112]

@ Teflon02
"Are you going to cry just because you're being t-bagged by a girl character instead of a guy? Really?"

In that case, you're being v-bagged.

[spicelicka]

I have to agree with that. I have no problem with women or whomever being in the game, but it shouldn't be advertised like some WW2 simulator. If they can just tout it as an alternative WW2 game it would be no problem. It doesn't even have to be very different, calling it alternative just gives you room to do whatever you want.

[Anzil]

So simpoe

[porkChop]

They haven't advertised it as a WW2 simulator though. They've said it's "intense" and "immersive". They haven't referred to it as historically accurate or authentic at all. They're specifically saying right in this article that they're *not* trying to be that authentic because they're prioritizing fun and player choice.

You're saying that you're fine with the female and everything being in the game as long as they don't advertise it as a simulator. Well since they're not advertising it that way, there shouldn't be any issue for you.

[qazitam67]

A lot of women play BF so why should they not have a skin they can use to represent themselves? Sure, women running around the front lines in WW1 and WW2 was very very rare but this is a game, not the real deal. DICE making this choice has nothing to do with being SJW's. They just want all people to feel included in the game at the expense of realism. Besides it would be much more fun to be V bagged than T bagged.

[Anzil]

Because they picked a WW2 setting and haven’t had any reason for it to be inaccurately represented. If they said it’s alternate history, people would be fine. Is it really that hard for you to understand?

[-Foxtrot]

Skins are fine in multiplayer...but the trailer was showing characters in the single player story.

It just becomes "what's the point of doing WW2" in the end...I mean if that's the case do Battlefield: 2143

[Silkside]

A lot of Chinese, Vietnamese, etc play battlefield as well, I suppose we should we should be inclusive and add those character into the game as well? See where I'm going with this?

[ZombieGamerMan]

Having a female lead isn't SJW pandering but when you say "Realism & Historical accuracy be damned in our WW2 shooter that isn't called Wolfenstein and let's be inclusive & diverse" then we have full on confirmation that it is SJW pandering because only SJWs actually care about forcing diversity & exclusivity into everything

[Sunny_D]

@Anzil

What do you want them to do?

Lay it out in laymen terms so that it can make you feel better?

“This is an ALTERNATIVE WW2 shooter that is not HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. It is LOOSELY based off WORLD WAR 2.”

Will that statement suffice?

“hasn’t any reason for it to be inaccurately represented?”

They need a reason on how to make a VIDEO GAME? Do they need to go the videogame committee to ask for permission to add women in the game? Since when?

[Anzil]

Thanks... like it’s so simple to understand our point of view. The dumb PC crowd has no argument a side from why not. We have reasons why, now address why that doesn’t matter with actual honesty.

[47]

Thank you! Can we please pin this comment or something so these other idiots can see why people have an issue with this game?

[DaMist]

I personally only aways see these video games as alternate takes on said wars, because let's be honest an authentic war depiction in video games would probably not be fun at all. I don't want to experience all that in an interactive, dynamic way. I think that's better left for other mediums, specially not a multiplayer game. I'm always open for new takes and presentation, if the game play changes are good and it plays fun, that's what matters to me.

[Angelin]

If history is your thing then why play a game and not read a book or watch a documentary? The fact that YOU play it is historically inacurate anyway :)

[-Foxtrot]

That was the lamest attempt of a come back...ever

[Rachel_Alucard]

Literal 4th grader commenting at it's finest.

[Rachel_Alucard]

I don't care if there's playable females or guns that were never included in the actual war. But I'm worried they'll start pulling a Sledgehammer WW2 where they censor Swastikas, include afro-german female nazis, and turn the game into some alternate World War instead of the actual WW2.

They tweeted, "We have set out to make a game that is believable with a level of authenticity that ensures we're still delivering an enjoyable and engaging experience." That careful wording doesn't give me hope.

[rainslacker]

You're getting it all wrong. This is realistic and authentic. Just like when we were 9, and played war with our friends in the back yard.....so that answers your question on the source of their research.

I expect water guns to kill in one shot. Nerf bullets to be thrown back as grenades. A bunch of screaming between the player and the enemies about how they shot one another, while the other says, "nuh-uh". And small trees to block any and all bullets making the player invulnerable. Then of course, the game is over when the one friend we don't like comes over with a ninja sword trying to be cool. After that, everyone just goes inside and plays MegaMan or Contra on the NES until dinner time.

[ZombieGamerMan]

I'm more upset that she's Venom Snaking it with the fake arm, I'm sorry but I just can't acccept a WW2 soldier out on the front lines with a fake arm, I know the war was dire but I just don't see the military sending in the crippled into war

[Kostche]

exactly, well said, and i got that steampunk vibe to the game also, and someone was saying they over layed the trailer with hud

[jaklink]

Here are some of those "Female Soldiers" who served in World War II since apparently it's so difficult to google anything.

https://www.pcpowerplay.com...

[Rachel_Alucard]

Now try googling crippled female soldiers. You can't find crippled male soldiers on the front lines because they got discharged for losing a limb in the first place.

[meka2611]

How about you pay attention, most don't give a shit about female characters but keep going with that narrative if it makes you feel better. The problem is the game doesn't feel like WW2 and that's just dumb. And I know you didn't say this but everyone saying they didn't advertise it as authentic need to look at the promo material again. Hell one of the screenshots on the xbox store of it says the most immersive ever.

[FunAndGun]

If there was no woman in the reveal, then this wouldn't even be a big discussion. The "woman" IS the driving force behind all this complaining. You don't have to admit it, but you know it's true.
Also, unless they are quoted saying this is a historically accurate depiction, then no, they are not contradicting themselves.

[JLynn943]

They aren't contradicting themselves. Intense and immersive can still be achieved with customization and historical fiction. This is just grasping at straws for things to complain about as per usual with the gaming community.

[Marcello]

He`s pulled that out his backside, bit like this game. By that theory it would mean Saving Private Ryan wasnt fun because its authentic.

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Saving private Ryan isnt a game it’s a film.

A film can’t be compared to a game.

Saving private Ryan wouldn’t be fun as a game if you get shot an die permanently.

[Angelin]

That would be battle royale and it IS fun.

[ClanPsi1]

Actually, it would be f*cking amazing. Imagine a 2000 Yanks vs 200 Krauts Omaha Beach map with 100% full realism. I salivate at the thought.

[Hungryalpaca]

Game mechanics =\= authenticity. That “argument” holds no water.

How something looks has nothing to do with how it plays. However how something looks can put people completely off.

Hence why this trailer is so hated. People prefer if you do a period peice you stick to the period or don’t bother.

[Teflon02]

Saving private Ryan isn't fun... wtf. What's fun about that? Is it enjoyable to watch? Yes. But look at the BF communities comments on BF1. They hated that the guys had no customization etc. That was DICE trying to be authentic. I thought that was annoying after playing BF4 for years. Use logic. People crying about this game haven't used any form of logic yet. You can pull a defib out your ass and players are immediately up like nothing happened. you can flip between guns in like .5 seconds and have perfect aim etc. But you're crying about being authentic right. How about stop, couch to one knee and reload your gun and being done and needing a medic and attention for like a hour before going back on the battlefield. Lets be authentic... That's how dumb that all sounds

[Anzil]

Playing a WW1 game and a girls running around with a fat robot head.... Yeah we’re stupid we should just accept poor execution rather than thought out reasons to make they’re game have a certain feel and style.

[Criti-Choco]

Anzil thats just a crazy over exaggeration and its the crux of the problem with the people making these arguments. A woman with a prosthetic limb isnt outside of the realm of possibility.

To be honest these arguments come with every release. BF3 had the "Black Medic" crisis, and BF1 had its own share of racist remarks, now its just gender. People want historically correct BF games but the only one that ever was was the original to a certain extent, none of the subsequent games followed real wars, just loosely based on something. BF2-4 had you fighting chinese as an american soldier and no one said anything about that. All these games are based on fantastical warfare, people just fail to understand that and after BF1 introduced some stories from ww1 now everyone considers themselves history buffs, go figure.

[Hungryalpaca]

When they asked for customization I guarantee they mean shit like uniforms, magazine placement, medal displays, weathering etc. NOT MOHAWKS AND PROSTHETICS ARMS AND ASSASSINS CREED COSPLAY OUTFITS

[Teflon02]

Hungry I definitely wanted full customization. Who cares if someone has a mohawk... WTF that's just bonuses. WTF do people want. A bare bone experience where you can only reload your gun by stopping in place kneeling and reloading? You act like BF didn;t compromise realism for fun from the get go. I can name a list of things that wouldn't make sense. Like getting hot 10 times and you're okay because a box is on the floor near you, a wounded soldier is a soldier that would be dead in real life and you get a damn needle or a defib and boom. You-re in better shape than ever lmao. Don't get me started. What you're complaining about is stupid. I love being able to actually make my character how I want. BF1 showed everyone how boring trying to stay too true to things can be. The guns and inability to customize ruined alot of the experience because everyone is just another nobody at that point. I've never in my life heard something this dumb. I can't believe people think choice is a bad thing. I wouldn't play nothing you attempt to direct. You think people saying Black ops 4 looks like black ops 3 is a issue? Because technically by your standards, every battlefield needs to just be a boring sim that does the same exact thing.

[DialgaMarine]

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[343_Guilty_Spark]

Bet

[The_Sage]

So... Sharks with "fricken lasers" strapped to their heads off the coasts?.. Sounds like fun to me.

[Aither]

EA just jumped the shark with this one.

[Teflon02]

for a game, that actually would be pretty fun actually

[SCW1982]

And that's absolutely fine to do but don't use a real life historic event that was considered a tragedy. Its like putting the twin towers in Fortnite. I have a feeling that the WW2 setting was pushed on Dice by EA for the sales appeal but this was really supposed to be a Bad Company game. Something is just off about the tone vs backdrop of this game.

[Teflon02]

Umm that's what the single play stuff they're putting in is for. They'll be updating that with new stuff too. They're being authentic by using real war stories or atleast real war situations that aren't in the front end. That's all they need. Multiplayer is about fun not authentication

[SCW1982]

I hope you are right about single player.

[Rachel_Alucard]

Not if they censor all Nazi imagery in the single player and I know they will given this hard "inclusive" direction they're pushing. I could deal with Afro-germans in BF1 but in WW2 Afro-german soldiers were few in numbers, male only, and treated as slaves forced into war. They had tons of atrocities done to them even when they were naturally born in Germany at the time. But I know that Dice will just force diversity even when it doesn't belong. They could've pulled this direction off in a Vietnam or cold war game and it would've been fine.

[Hungryalpaca]

Explain for everyone to see why Shooting AI vs Shooting players means you should just toss authenticity. There are plenty of authentic games that respect the time period they’re set in and they’re still fun. I’ll be waiting.

[Team_Litt]

Hahaha so it's okay to turn a tragedy into a game filled with kids teabagging each other and claiming to have had relations with your mom but don't you dare put women in it because that's just disrespectful right?

Psssh. Just a bunch of whiney little boys afraid they are being pushed out of the spotlight.

[SCW1982]

@ Team_Litt
Listen ass hat I have no problems with the female soldiers in this game, real Russian snipers and pilots that were females have incredible stories. Don't jump to conclusions and look like a total idiot in the process.

[ClanPsi1]

That's actually a really good point, and would explain why most of the characters look like they should be in Vietnam. Maybe it started development as a full-game sequel to the BC2 Vietnam DLC. Ooohhhhh god I want that so bad. F*ck you, EA.

[SCW1982]

I have said it before but I really think this was supposed to be a Bad Company title and EA forced them to put it into WW2 setting for sales. Tonally it doesn't work well with the period.

[WeAreLegion]

That's a weird stance to take. Are you familiar with Hogan's Heroes? Inglorious Bastards? Django Unchained? The Great Dictator? The Producers?

[Bobafret]

And I will empower my wallet by not buying. Mostly because I am just tired of the BF formula.

[Smokehouse]

LOL there it is, the old EA. I was wondering when they were going to show up.

[jokerisalive]

looks like the first PC Battlefield game with its mention of diversity and inclusion......

[WorldGamer]

The information coming out about Battlefield 5 pleases me, particularly the move away from premium pass, which IMO kinda split the base of players. BF5 should have more longevity as a result.

As to people knocking the customization options, it's called creative license. Dice is trying to appeal to a larger audience, so they made the decision to give players the options to make personalize their character. I think when you are a person of color, a female gamer or a part of the LGBTQ community, it takes on a different dimension when you are able to make your character look more like you. This falls into that category of things that you may not be able to understand because of your place in society and the world, whether that is race, gender or sexual preference. At the end of the day, this is a game made for FUN, and if by providing options to players it makes it more accessible and fun to a larger audience, I'm all for it.

I say bring on the female characters, the people of color, and/or the LGBTQ characters. As long as the game is compelling, I'm fine with it.

We all need to collectively take a seat, calm down, and realize there are tons of different people in the world who also would like to be represented in this hobby we hold near and dear.

[Teflon02]

Thank you, glad common sense exists somewhere still. I can't believe they got such negativity. But then again all so called "gamers" do these days is complain

[Anzil]

Terrible argument. There’s a place and market for both. If it was the year 2242 and you could play as a girl people like me would give no shits. Don’t tell us why we are mad.

[Team_Litt]

There's dozens of games set in that era that don't feature women. Quit your man baby whining and go play those.

[Anzil]

@Team_Litt Another terrible argument. They should pick a different setting or make it an alternative universe but to pass it off as a WW2 setting is highly inaccurate. I will play something new if they don’t explain this properly.

[Gh05t]

"I think when you are a person of color, a female gamer or a part of the LGBTQ community, it takes on a different dimension when you are able to make your character look more like you"

Read "All white (males) people look alike"

"This falls into that category of things that you may not be able to understand because of your place in society and the world, whether that is race, gender or sexual preference."

Read: "Your not me so you wouldn't know what its likes, but I am going to tell you what its like from your perspective, because somehow I magically understand, and that magic only applies to people like me."

"We all need to collectively take a seat, calm down, and realize there are tons of different people in the world who also would like to be represented in this hobby we hold near and dear."

Read: "Hey why dont we let the Axis win this game because hey, they need a participation trophy too and all the other games they lose so to prevent them from feeling bad anymore we are going to let the Nazis win."

[Zeref]

The gaming community can be very toxic. We just gonna ignore all these amazing features and improvement to the actual game and focus on the fact that someone gets to choose to be a female character, something that won't affect your enjoyment of the game in any Shape or form?

[spicelicka]

I don't understand the need to boycott the game wtf. At most I rolled my eyes, that's about it and that's about all it should be.

[Zeref]

These people man I swear... Last week they were bashing Microsoft for making a controller for the handicapped... Sick man.

[Sunny_D]

I agree.

[Aither]

See, here is the problem EA, you set up previous Battlefields to be inspired by historical events. Yet, with Battlefield V you now put "fun over authentic" which sounds like an excuse from all the criticism you are getting. If you don't want Battlefield to be a game based on historical events as you marketed in the past, then don't claim this is a WW2 setting!

[CorndogBurglar]

But it is based on historical events. Granted, this one is more loosely based than games from the past. But it is still based on WWII.

It's like all those movies that come out that say they are based on actual events, but when you look them up online you find that 75% of the movie was totally made up.

Hell, that movie The Perfect Storm. That entire movie was totally made up. All anyone knows is that boat left and never came back. So how could they make a 2 hour movie about what happened on the boat?

So yeah. This is still based on WWII. It takes place during that time, with the same armies involved, and stories, season updates and DLC will be actual events that took place.

The only difference is the appearance of characters. And if that is all people can grasp onto to complain about, is that characters are customizable, then it sounds like a good game to me.

[Hungryalpaca]

And I guarantee if the ship in the perfect storm had the crew dressed like clowns with big sprays on the hull people would have complained about that.

Why is this so hard for you people to understand?

If you make a game WWII and claim authentic and immersive (which they did claim) then make it look and feel like WWII.

Not some teenage boys pencil crayon drawing of what he thinks WWII looks like because he fell asleep in class.

[rainslacker]

Yeah. I don't think people have much problem with the nature of the inclusions, just that they're included at all.

Valkyria Chronicles was basically an alternate world based around WWI, and no one had a problem with all the females in it. It didn't include as much inclusion, but there were some characters who were alluded to as being homosexual....and again, no one had a problem with it.

But that franchise was never marketed as a realistic viewpoint of the events of WWI.

[Aither]

Exactly the point, Valkyria Chronicles was never labeled as a WWI game. It was a fantasy setting with realistic overtones, but it was never made to be a WWI based game like EA and Dice is labeling Battlefield V to take place in WWII. It doesn't matter if the characters in games are men or women, what matters is the developers are respectful to the sources they are sourced from, especially if they historical events.

[Teflon02]

Valkyria Chronicles is a Japanese anime looking Strategy RPG. None of these people would have played it anyway. So invalid

[Sunny_D]

Being “inspired”;Key word being “inspired” doesn’t mean they HAVE to be realistic to the time period. Half the stuff you do in Battlefield games are unrealistic as hell.

[slate91]

I can't believe there is this much outcry over customization options. Lol, historic accuracy? Fantasy shooter? Ok health and vehicle regen. Hey, if I go out and die in a gun fight, can I respawn in 10 seconds? How about coming back to life instantly inside of a plane or helicopter?

Yall are now crying historical accuracy because you're angry about a female...on the cover...of a VIDEO GAME. Reassess your life please.
These games have never been about realism. It is in a WW2 setting, that is it. Who cares if you can change up your look. My goodness. We get blessed with an amazing looking and playing game with a huge leap in mechanics and all you guys cry about is a female character and DICE's introduction to the game. Unbelievable.

[CorndogBurglar]

Exactly. They just have to find something to complain about because EA finally put everything to rest. There are no shady business tactics at work this time. So now they have to complain about something else. And considering how great everything else is, it all falls to "historical accuracy", and females in the game, or someone putting face paint on their character.

It's really kind of sad at this point.

EA will never be able to win with some of these people.

[Hungryalpaca]

Game mechanics =\= aesthetics. Stop with that shit.

You’re saying the car runs fine when people are mad at the paint job. Jesus you people are getting dumber and dumber.

[slate91]

People are saying they aren't buying a possible game of the year/generation because of a woman on the cover and added customization options.
To critique is one thing, to outright snub your nose at a game for something so insignificant is another. And then to disguise it as saying it's because it is "historically inaccurate" takes the whole cake lmao.

Let's introduce permadeath. Hell throw the whole game out if you get shot in your knee and it shatters, no use of playing anymore because your soldier won't be able to run again.

[Teflon02]

Let me ask this.
If a car is a much smoother ride, has build in turbo, n20, etc. Basically modded to the max, and costs nothing but $80 to race in as many times as you want. It's a faster car and can hit 100miles in twice the time. But it's a pink car that's ugly
While

another car looks amazing but is the same as a stock honda civic. You got to play $80 to race in once as long as you only race in one a specific set of races while you got to pay like $20 perr city outside the main one or buy a tour pack where you get all places. But again this car looks amazing. But drives horrible and isn't close to as fast as the first car.

Note just like BF multiplayer, this is only for competitions and not for a casual drive. Which are you going with?
I'll go with the more entertaining car that has all the customizations. It's no different here. I'd rather a fun GAME over a realistic game anyday and if you think otherwise. Gaming isn't what I think you need to be doing personally. I think you need to go out and go paint balling, go hunting or something. Go enjoy life. I can't see logic is these complaints

[TheDreamCorridor]

Oh, so this game is sci-fi then.

[Angelin]

How is a prostetic arm made out of metal and wood sci-fi?

[rainslacker]

More an alternate reality. A game whose narrative takes liberities with historical accuracy to provide a fun factor.

Nothing wrong with that, but past games tended to at least try to maintain some semblance of realism.

[Sunny_D]

Yup and those were past games. GOW changed up its formula to critcal acclaim so it shouldn’t be a problem for another game to change up it’s formula either. (Although on a smaller scale)

[bluefox755]

Diversity and inclusion, so they're pandering to SJWs? As if I needed another reason to ignore this game after the trailer...

[jokerisalive]

Your dead on buddy. Everything is about SJW’s it seems today and feeling they have to cater to them in every way possible. Now even videogames are doing this. Altering history for the sake of inclusion and diversity. Gaming is gaming...if you play your included in the hobby of gaming. It doesnt mean games have to change a historical war to cater to you so you dont feel offended because things werent the way you feel they should have been. If that is the agenda here by EA then its pretty stupid. Other than that they made good choices with no season pass as well as others they made. If they are pandering to them then it shows you where EA sits as well.

[KickSpinFilter]

Easy butterfly...you sound like the other end of the s-stick. Meet in the middle where the sensible people are.

I don't give a shit if my character is female or male cuz I'm a man with no insecurities.
The game looking like it has Fortnite characters I have an issue with. It's WWII let's make it feel that way.
Friggin Millennials mess up everything with their bright party hats.
BF1 I was down with, this one kinda feel meh, think I'll just stick with COD WWII

[drpepperdude]

Only a man with insecurities repeatedly states he has no insecurities.

[KickSpinFilter]

@drpepperdude
Didn't repeat it.

[Angelin]

Yes, it’s the second time you said this in this same thread :) Are you really?

[rainslacker]

As a person who I guess is somewhere in the middle, maybe you can just concede that the vast majority of people don't really care about all this inclusion crap.

It's rather annoying that we see so much of this forced inclusion. The publishers aren't even trying to hide their reasons for it, or trying to justify why its necessary anymore. They're just saying that they want a larger and more diverse audience.

But being in the middle, those people aren't going to suddenly be interested because they can play as a woman, or strap a katana on their back, or because their character happens to identify as gay....because I cant imagine how one's sexual preference would in any way be relevant on the battlefield.

[rainslacker]

I'm wondering when this pandering will die off when it's noticed that it doesn't really achieve much. It's not like the new star wars movies are doing better because of the inclusion. The people who didn't care about it before, did not care because of the types of characters, they didn't care because the movies plots are kind of silly and over hyped beyond what they actually are.

There isn't a single game that was made for these secular groups that has lit up the charts, and there isn't a single piece of evidence to suggest that being inclusive in games which have an upbringing that was centered around a different audience, now somehow do better because they throw in these cursory things that they think will attract other markets.

Sometimes I wonder if these publishers realize that most of the people they're trying to be inclusive of aren't such idiots that they'll suddenly be interested in a game because they are somehow represented. If people are interested in games, like movies or books, they're going to be interested due to things that aren't as superficial.

Maybe it's too much to hope that these publishers would treat these other groups like they're intelligent people, when they can't even manage to treat the community who is actually interested in their games like they're intelligent.

[isarai]

Well seems they are leaning more into the fun factor and arcade sensibilities of gaming with this one. Was kinda luke warm on the reveal due to the fake gameplay, BUT the changes detailed sounds like they are diving back into world interaction like old school game use to have. I for one am very enticed by what i'm hearing and am looking forward to trying out the beta when it happens (you know there's going to be one)

[Angelin]

Actually it’s confirmed by DICE. If you preorder you get “Early open beta access”. Check out PS store.

[sander9702]

Why am I suddenly starting to hate DICE...

[Angelin]

Because you think you’re entitled to have stuff your way?

[Hungryalpaca]

Apparently you think they’re entitled to our money

[Twinblade]

No play for me.

[InTheZoneAC]

fun over authentic? Then give us bad company 3 or battlefield: modern combat. People still play bf4 because they're sick to their stomachs from ww games that plagued what felt like every fps for a decade.

[Angelin]

There’s also people who are sick to the stomack from modern shooters and enjoy this kind of change.

[InTheZoneAC]

this is like saying people like driving model t cars over a viper...no one wants bs tesla cars and no one really wants model t if they got their hands on modern combat done right, bf style. We just had ww1 in bf1, ww2 in cod, ghosts was not too long ago. Now we're getting another ww2 game, same bs from ps2/ps3 days.

[Teflon02]

No, I play Battlefield 4 over 1 because of the customization I get. Battlefield one feels better in about every way. But the bland stages and inability to use much past basically one decent gun as a medic was the problem. All of that is already confirmed to be fixed

[Majin-vegeta]

Since everyone wants an authentic WW2...once you die online that's it right no more?Since it would go against the *authtenticity* of WW2

[Aither]

That is a gameplay element and has no relation with the authenticity of WW2 history. Dice has clearly said they don't care about authenticity and will focus on "Diversity and Inclusion" which is the sole reason for all the backlash they are receiving. They no longer care about their World War games being historically accurate because they are so involved with the PC nonsense being pushed by the SJW minority they are willing to rewrite history for it.

[Sunny_D]

Why should the game not be held up to some arbitrary authentic standards? If you don’t care about the main part of the game being authentic, then your point is moot to care that much about the setting not being authentic.

[Heavenly King]

I am going to quote Foxtrot, because he nailed it:

"Several fans voiced their disagreement on Battlefield V’s customization options, which include body types, gender, war paints and more, as being too inaccurate from a historical point of view"

Yet for some the only thing they take from that is "OMG How sad people are complaining about a women"...like that's the only thing.

To see a WW2 game with people being shirtless, covered in body paint, unrealistic hairstyles and the like while giving off the wrong vibes like it's steampunk like is a little silly especially when they say things like "Experience the most intense, immersive Battlefield yet", as it kind of comes off like they are contradicting themselves. If they wanted those kind of things then they should have just made a full on alternative WW2 game which tells a completely different take on it.

"The female soldier in the key art portrays an unseen and untold perspective of World War 2 that is often overlooked"

What story is that though? If you were doing a story about a group of every day townsfolk who create a Resistance to defend their small city/village from a Nazi assault or about a Russian squad with one of the Russian snipers I get it but a female soldier who went on the front lines, at the heart of the battlefield while having a prosthetic hand? Never heard of anything quite like that. What inspiration did it come from while doing their historic research for the game?

[Angelin]

Then check my question on his original post.

[DillyDilly]

When somebody feels like they have to specifically mention diversity instead of just doing diversity in meaningful ways that spells trouble

[theshredded]

Dice gets video games

[SuperbVillain]

All I'm saying is people loved bf1 and there were tons of prototype weapons and vehicles that rarely saw the light of war. Also if I remember there were black women in bf1 people hated the idea and so did I but in the end it really wasnt a big deal. Bf is offering more customization than ever and this is a good thing. Also the soldiers in the trailer all seem to have character and sort of reminds me of the characters from bad company 2 . No more bland cookie cutter soldiers. I think the multiplayer reveal in June may change some people's minds. Cant wait. It's better than black ops 3: part 2

[GamingInFrames]

Kathleen Kennedy would be proud of these DICE comments.

[Usperg]

Bet she has shares in EA and Dice Stockholm, she has ruined star wars so she might as well start branching out..

[Nodoze]

As she has stated, all wars have been won by women. All good things come from women. All creative endeavors, art, film, etc are only good if written, directed, or run....by a woman.

Utter TRASH. Kathleen 'coattail' Kennedy - who rose to her current role after being a coffee getter for Spielberg, and Lucas.

[Majin-vegeta]

Wow my comment got marked as spam??I had to break into different comments cuz it was more than 4000 characters

[Oschino1907]

You had a wall of text 3 comments long with a video link as well, all concerning the new features and improvements.

Meanwhile the article was about - "DICE commented on the community's tepid response to the Battlefield V customization options seen in the trailer".

It was probably because it was off topic and not relevant or barely relevant to the discussion. I don't think anyone wants to see a wall of off topic comments from a single person that could turn into a separate discussion and push relevant comments further down.

[DasTier]

All I’m thinking about is how the original Medal of Honor got endorsed by veterans after initial concerns that the game wouldn’t respect the source material. Imagine if they’d seen this... they’d be rolling in their graves...

[deckardreplicant]

N4G is hands down the worst community when it comes to this matter, Seriously guys, The surprising thing is that stupid and idiotic comments are getting way more upvotes which definitely shows the whole mentality, Now I am gonna wait for this comment to get butchered.

[j15reed]

Just say something good about Sony and you'll get all the upvotes.

[deckardreplicant]

Sony PS4 is Best and Xbox One Is Bad. Also Nintendo Switch sucks, I love Knack 2

[rainslacker]

On the issue of inclusion in gaming, I agree with you. They're always so superficial, and make bigger deals about it than it needs to be....all while having the most boring and uninteresting representations that you can think of just for the sake of it.

As a company though, EA is actually quite progressive in terms of diversity. They are often criticized for how they treat employees, but at least they're not discriminatory, and actually do work to drive interest in technical fields to groups that normally aren't interested in such things....as in women and minorities. I can respect them for that at least.

Now if they'd just stop treating their customers within those same diverse groups as children that need to be pandered to, they'd have something going for them.

I'm aware of no research from any publisher, or 3rd party group, that suggests that including something in your game or media of this nature somehow drives more people to like it. A form of media typically has to be geared specifically towards a specific audience/audiences to be appealing to them. Comic books are one exception, but it's more like they replaced one audience with another. The problem that I see with a lot of these inclusion schemes today is that they're alienating their established audience, while chasing after another audience....one that likely isn't going to amount to much, and if you turn off your established base too much or too long, then the loss of sales isn't going to be made up by the secular groups where they manage to snag a few individuals.

In other words, the amount of emphasis being put into all this kind of stuff is disproportionate to the gains that they actually make from it.

[PUBG]

More left wing political virtue signalling. I'm just not going to buy this game. I didn't buy BF1 , and CoD WW2 because of this nonsense, and I won't be buying this game.

These games are mean to warp young peoples perception of history, otherwise why come out with games based on WW1 and WW2? Why not just stick with modern and future themes where women are currently playing larger roles in the military and police forces around the world?

At this rate, the next thing they'll come out with will be women fighting on the front lines of the U.S. civil war, with prosthetic arms and legs...

[franwex]

Warp young minds perception of history? Why are these young people learning history through a online multiplayer game anyway?
Get real. That’s like complaining that kids will believe that there were ww2 super soldiers because they saw captain America.

[Angelin]

History classes should warp young peoples perception of history, you know? Like school and homework, not videogames (or movies) which provide entertainment and are mainly based on fiction.

[quenomamen]

I understand but did you have to make the female character straight outa Fortnite ?

[Derceto]

I dunno. I'd more concerned on which was EA plans to bend you over next. It's like they are waving their left fist to get your attention, before delivering the knockout punch with the right.

When I see EA, my monetization warning system, instantly jumps to Def-Con 1. F*** this company and anything they try to shovel out to the public.

[47]

The fact DICE is already having to do damage control is all you need to know. Look at the trailer reveal for BF1 compared to this. DICE, you’ve screwed up and you know it.

[Jrios355]

The problem isn't that there's women in the game, the problem is that they're taking the darkest and most damaging conflict in history, and turning in into something that disrespects the history behind the war.

If they made a completely fictional war, or an alternate world where WW2 began for something completely different, and didn't involve Hitler or Japan, then that would be perfectly fine. But in my opinion, this change is a lack of respect.

But hey, maybe the core game will still be good.

[BadElf]

Sooo PC its sickening. Stop with this type of talk!

[TheOttomatic91]

Diversity huh? Then we're all the black and trans characters then huh!?!? 😡

/s

[franwex]

Omg. You guys are worst than the sjws. Getting offended over video games. Let’s not blow it up more than what it is.

[Smokehouse]

Nah lol. They’re not that bad. They’re arguments might be nitpickish but at least they’re not baseless and ignorant.

[franwex]

That trailer did suck.

[DialgaMarine]

Ok. The trailer still sucked major ass.

[FPS_D3TH]

Fortnites the most played game right now and yet people are caught up on authenticity due to woman and a mechanical arm. Gamers today are straight up retarded. Fight me losers. Your fragile masculinity is making your dicks even tinier.

[Silkside]

Fortnite isn't based of world war 2.... This is....

[FPS_D3TH]

Lol and BF1 was set in WW1 but it wasn’t authentic at all.... suddenly a couple outfits and genders that you would still find in that era, but not exactly on a battlefield and everyone loses their mind? Effing lol.

I brought up fortnite because that game doesn’t take itself seriously at all and people still enjoy it. You really think if battlefield was “authentic and realistic” that it’s be a fun game? Never once have those games come close to realistic war, it’s just a fun warlike sandbox at best. People need to get a grip, get off their soapboxes and maybe try the game instead of dismissing it because oh muh god women in muh vidyoblames. Muh realism...

[Silkside]

That's the thing mate, you said it yourself

"suddenly a couple outfits and genders that you would still find in that era, but not exactly on a battlefield"

Battlefield fans are used to the awesome feeling of being in a real war zone, from the sounds, visuals, atmosphere etc. Now we're going to see everyone running around with the latest cosmetic looking like hipsters on the battlefield.

It's not even about the woman on the front line, it's more so that it looks like dice have taken battlefield in a new wierd steam punk alternate reality direction claiming inclusion, when we all know its them trying to justify all the new cosmetic items for them to milk battlefield fans.

[Tankbusta40]

Beta male confirmed

[FPS_D3TH]

Women in muh vidyagames! Such trash... BeTa MaLe cOnFiRmEd

[Silkside]

Good constructive response, you guys are making this a sexism thing... We're just upset that battlefield isn't battlefield. Anymore.. More like fortnite 2.0, can't wait to purchase the latest dance move and iron Man outfit.

[BadElf]

Why does everything have to be "inclusive"? Haha we are just a bunch of pussays today

[EazyC]

Diversity & inclusion shouldn't be part of history, I only want the real stuff. Imagine Saving Private Ryan if Tom Hanks's character was an armless Whoopi Goldberg in a trenchcoat. I'm sure any historian would tell you this game deviates from authenticity to the point of being utterly jarring.

MP might be more traditional than this bizarro-world WWII shown, so we'll see.

[Tankbusta40]

"inclusion" and "diversity"

Hard pass for me

[FPS_D3TH]

Fragile masculinity confirmed

[Tankbusta40]

I have fragile masculinity because I prefer my games based on real wars to try and be authentic? I could even see having women in the game if this took place on the eastern front. If they want to put this stuff in a war game make a fictional war game.

It's hard for millennials and feminine type men to understand but there are those of us who love certain wars and love them because of the actual history. I don't want revisionist crap added to an already fascinating war. Like I said if they want homosexual Nazis and female generals just create a fictional war with its own story and make a game around that.

[FPS_D3TH]

Homosexual Nazis and female generals? Do you even listen to yourself? It’s one trailer and you gathered all that and dismissed the entire game? Imagine being this much of a cuck.

[Smokehouse]

You have to admit that World War 2 would have been a lot more fun with diversity and inclusion though. I salute dice for bringing up such issues on Memorial Day weekend. It’s a bold statement.

Who knows? Maybe WW2 never would have happened if the Nazis were a little more inclusive. We need Nazi Jews in pink suits because its 2018. Get with the times my friend. Create your dream identity in a world war wonderland. Stop being so serious, it’s just history.

[frayed]

Good. They have nothing to excuse. They can make their game as inclusive and diverse as they want. If it's fun and well made, I'm in. The fact that it's unashamedly progressive in its attempt to include groups that have normally been sidelined in this genre is a bonus.

If you feel this is not something you like, sorry, but it's totally OK for people to support a society that wants to treat people like they have rights and give some people a leg up. Get over the fact that being fair to people is not, in of itself, ruining anything for anyone. If you really want to believe that inclusion and diversity is the reason things are bad or difficult in life, then you probably need to check your reasoning. It certainly doesn't affect art, which can be whatever it wants to be... last time I checked... and you are free to feel however you want to about it.

In terms of historical accuracy, many women fought in some form or another. But whether they did or not, I'm sure that people also fought and died so others could live in free and fair societies, where artists weren't censored for having a particular take on things. You know, like the Nazis did.

[Silkside]

K

[Scatpants]

"Diversity and inclusion" AKA we made it suck with a bunch of shoehorned feminist agenda stuffed in.

[NickAwesome]

Funny that some people think that they were ton of women in the frontlines of the western front of world war 2, quick note: germans, americans, british and canadians had no women in their frontlines,.
At the time it was considered despicable for men to send their women and daughters to war, only soviets (this game doesn't have soviets) and partisans (out of necessity) had women fighting in the frontlines, it's not some political agenda, it's just history #NotMyBattlefield

[narsaku]

Ew.

Less FORCED diversity, and more Bad Company 3.

Jesus how many millions of people need to help this company?

The only reason BF1 sold so well was the derpy music video and the fact that COD both sucks ass now, and sucked even harder that year.

[MAULxx]

To empower player choice, diversity & inclusion.
I think I gagged a little.

[PaleMoonDeath]

WW2.. female soldiers etc, let's just jest it. Not accurate to the war but hey, it's a game, it doesn't take itself seriously so I'd say it gets a minor pass, games are so weird nowadays, all these forced options.. shame it isn't third person, I'd watch my chicks butt wiggle too victory easily son.

[ClanPsi1]

What I don't understand is why they're trying to show it as a WWII game. Why not go all-in with an alternate reality fantasy shooter? The Order: 1886 as a Battlefield game would be f*ckin' rad. ... Well, would be, if it were developed 13+ years ago when DICE wasn't with EA. Now, regardless of what they do, it's going to be garbage and I'm not going to buy it.

[MongooZ]

Diversity & Inclusion 🤣

[MongooZ]

Diversity & Inclusion 🤣

[CodeNameTBW2]

Battlefield 1.5 with a SJW motive force down our throats.

[Swiftfox]

I see a lot of the Fortnite effect here. You have a game on the market that is raking in profits and in said game you can be anything you want and look nearly however you want with a high level of customization. This type of game is attracting both boys and girls to come play it. Trouble is Battlefield is a gritty real World War shooter--not much room to appease the Fortnite crowd in terms of customization. This strikes me as them wanting to have their cake and eat it too by advertising it as a "realistic WW2 experience" but also offering the silly customization options to try and draw both Battlefield fans AND Fortnite players along with trying to fish for more women to play the title along with the standard audience of men.

[Psychosious]

Diversity and inclusion, count me out. Tired of this BS infecting everything around me.

[deno]

I am so tired of this "Diversity" propaganda. Not buying this either. I'll be diverse and get something else.

[tontontam0]

Player Choice= player has the choice to pay to win or not pay to lose, absolute freedom nobody will force you to pay.

[Daishi]

This is bad company meets WWII, I'm fine with that. However I've played WWII games for 20 years so this will have to have something pretty unique to make me care.

[lociefer]

inclusion my ass, what about us tree people ? i haven't see a single tree holding a gun or being customized, also tanks were running all over rocks, Rock people would like to have a word with you EA !

[2ndhandcorn]

Battlefield Vagina maybe ok seems like a battlefront clone lol.

[Braindeadninja]

We have female lead in Detroit become human and horizon zero dawn, now one has problem there. But the problem starts when u start inserting females in games with male dominated games n stories just for gender equality. Imagine suddenly master chief is a women !! Will it be pleasing for halo fans then?

[UCForce]

My opinion on BO4 and Battlefield V. I’m neutral and I don’t care about these two games. Both of them just got mixed responses for doing something stupid that caused both community gone outrage.

[OG_TK_Cole]

Listen.... Some of you dont like the way the world is changing, and in some aspects i totally agree with you. But for the most part a lot of you on this website are a bunch of Racist,Misogynistic cowards. You guys will complain about any and everything. If they just cater to just the Hardcore support system the company wont make any money. These games cost Millions of dollars to make, or have you guys forgot??? Lets be honest, Battlefield 1 became totally boring after about a month or two. So please stop the all the crying and complaining. And guess what?? If you boycott the game because of customizations, they are still going to get their money back from making the game, because the Casual Gamer out number us. #FactsOnly

[GameBoyColor]

Where are my hot anime babes? I feel pretty excluded DICE!

[Silkside]

I identify as an asexual mermaid, dice better add this customisation or else they're not being very inclusive and the game will no longer be fun for me if I can't identify with the character I'm controlling. I don't care if it's set in world war 2! There were at least 3 people who identified as mermaids back then too!

[sanetokane]

Why can't they just come back to "modern" times, or go to the future. Or make a steampunk battlefield, which this is clearly trying to be, instead of sullying the legacy of world war veterans that actually fought and died for their countries. If this didn't claim to be "WW2", people would have no problem with it. But in it's current state it's undermining the actual contribution of real-life veterans, who were factually 99,9 % white men. It's like making a movie about African-American slavery and having 50 % of the slaves be white. Jesus.

[Mr Lahey]

God i hate "gamers" so much... Worst crowd on this dying fucking planet..

[knight_drives]

I am amazed at how many people support these practices without actually thinking bout the consequences in the long run, even if it is "just a video game". Let's all just pretend that "inclusion and repsentation" of these minority groups will somehow make everyone happy.

To anyone spouting that it's great to include customisation options for people of colour, women and members of the "lgbt" community, how exactly are these characters going to look gay or trans or bi.. Is there an option to run around limp wristed with a high pitched theatrical voice? You know that talking about groups as if they are minorities and victims of oppression and misrepresentation just makes society even more divided. Why does your race or gender or sexual preference need to be validated everywhere you look and in every piece of entertainment you consume? And why should we stop at those 3 things as if they are the only important factors that define people as individuals?

Also this cop-out excuse that the people complaining about this are really the ones who are sensitive or "snowflakes" is just bs. It's not about being sensitive as much as being appalled by people's short-sightedness.

The game is based on history, whether it's loosely based or not, the game is being sold as a ww2 game. Why don't we also just change who actually fought in the war because certain people might feel left out or offended. This tactic is a never ending battle and the so called "progression" has no end.

All it is is a cry for validation, everyone feels that their race, gender, sexual preference should be validated even at the cost of changing history and science itself. Anyone who can't see the long term devastating consequences of this are truly delusional. Unfortunately the gaming industry (including journalism) is run by people who will keep peddling this "progressive" idea and there are very few people who will dare to stand on the opposing side.

[Silkside]

Amen brother, everyone who feels like they're losing their beloved battlefield franchise are being called sexiest, beta males.

When we couldn't care less about have female characters in games, it's just that battlefield will never be the same again after this.

I wish dice simply turned this into another new franchise and simply kept battlefield what it was, an atmospheric war game.

[knight_drives]

Making a new IP with fresh ideas and truly inspirational characters from minority backgrounds would make far too much sense.. It's much easier for them to use an already established franchise to push the progressive agenda with two dimensional characters that are defined by their skin colour and gender. Changing historical events is just a minor inconvenience to them which can be excused "because inclusivity".

Also the kind of insults being thrown around by people who defend this stuff have really lost there meaning lol.

[Ninjamonkey82]

Ill buy it to play with my bro on Playstation i have my choice of platform but thats where he plays. Things against it this year far as i can see its coming in off the back of battlefront 2, People will always complain about something when history is brought to the fore esp if fun elements are added. Disrespectful this that bah pack a moaning nannys. Need a knitting class. last point EA would have done themselves a favor not getting on the wobbly rocking horse with the xbox logo at the end of the trailer. Hell i own the 1x have nothing against it but public opinion pitch forks.

[FPS_D3TH]

For the salty “historians" who will play a game where a package of Band-Aids on the ground can keep a whole battalion alive or an ammo box can supply an entire squad for an entire round... But WILL NOT STAND, lol, for a woman with a prosthetic arm in the game. Lol

Stay salty, dorks. ✌️

[Silkside]

Keep preaching your nonsense mate, if they added a woman with a prosthetic arm into fortnite or PUBG or rainbow six siege, no one would bat an eye.

In a WW2 game?Humm a bit outlandish, but you need to stop making this about the female character.... Its about dice pretending to be inclusive and making the game fun when in fact they're just making an excuse for their over the top cosmetics that will rake in the money for them.

Stop assuming that this is all about the female character, it's note entirely that, there's more to it.

Stop being ignorant

[FPS_D3TH]

Lmao ignorant? This isn’t a history lesson buddy, it’s a game. It’s literally just a setting for this game. It’s wrong for the developers to want to include more options so that the people playing can feel a connection to their character or want to invest their time playing something they enjoy? It really isn’t more than just the female character with a prosthetic. Have you read these comments? Some salty boys crying because muh authenticity. Newsflash. Not a single battlefield has been authentic to war and that’s a fact. They make a game out of war assets and put it in a sandbox and let the chaos ensue. Not a single match or even campaign mission has ever actually properly represented war once. I fear the day we start getting cookie cutter video games with no creative vision because everyone bitches about the smallest shit in a videogame. None of you have even played it yet so many are writing this game off just because of a single character and some fashion options. LOL. Imagine being so butthurt over nothing that you limit yourself from enjoying things.

Stop being ignorant.

[Silkside]

Maybe they should have just created a new franchise instead of butchering our beloved battlefield?

Have jet packs and robots or whatever the hell you want. Don't ruin the battlefield experience in the name of "inclusion"

[Artemidorus]

Throw in some rainbows and unicorns, be.more fun.

[jokerisalive]

and pink vagina hats!!! make sure we include everyone!

[GrizToof]

Gamers tend to cringe when studios use the “player choice” statement when used as an excuse for something. You didn’t know that?

[Good-Smurf]

And now EA/DICE actually deleting many negative comments on the reveal video page on youtube?!
No pride and accomplishment in what they're doing here.
I ain't buying BFV and they have the stupid balls to release this so close to Red Dead 2 too.

[Nodoze]

Thank god we can now play as the lesbian liberators - complete with prosthetics!! Diversity and inclusion for all. DLC 1 will include the amazing story of the transvestite terror troops. Caught between two worlds, powerful...but delicate. When developing this game we wanted to be sure we were pandering....err catering to our playerbase. Now all 11 people we offended by not including skins and models that represented them (sold separately) will rejoice. Social justice for all. DLC 2 will be entitled multicultural melee. We are removing all weapons (for equality) and will be down to fists. Stay tuned for more fantastic offerings as we align our company with the social justice warrior agenda.

[FPS_D3TH]

That’s where you think this games going? Good god...

[kevinsheeks]

You are giving them hell, they can't even properly debate just hiding behind thumbs down and emotion with no logic.

[jokerisalive]

thats awesome bro! dont forget the options to color the lesbian liberator feminazis hair to butch style short in green, purple or whatever other color suits them as they run around killing men and empowering there self infused hate for everything. SJW lootcrates with lots of DIVERSITY in its items all for free so as to not OFFEND anyone. The nazis will be pulled from the game and replaced with the Antifa Feminazi group that make zombies of beta males and use them to help fight the enemy thus producing an all new Zombie Mode for BF V! Pink vagina hats can be worn under the customization options as well. Even sex change mid game can be offered in game thru elusive loot crates for soldiers having internal issues on the battlefield within themselves about their true identity.
Future dlc plans will be discussed as well as to make sure inclusion and diversity is always the focal point and not some silly historical war where men were the main focus of the battle. Sorry if that offended anyone......

[sampsonon]

ignorance is bliss https://www.pinterest.ca/pi...

but please, carry on....

[adaminoregon]

Women in Battlefield ruins it. It needs to be real. What could be realer than running the equivalent of 40 mph, while no scoping and getting shot a couple of times, then hiding behind a tree for 5 seconds to heal up, and then teleporting in to a flying plane, parachuting out and picking up an ammo pack for full ammo, landing on a building as it blows up, falling to the ground, and getting hit with a syringe of adrenaline so you can do it all again? Yeah, we need that kind of realism or this game is just sjw garbage.

[jokerisalive]

SJW garbage CONFIRMED.

[FernDiggidy]

SJWs everywhere!

[sbprost]

Don't get me wrong, I despise the SJW agenda. Every bit of it is insane revisionist nonsense. However, women did, in fact, serve on the frontlines. There were the unique prodigies like Lyudmila Pavlichenko, who was the most decorated Soviet sniper ever, Poland had the Women's Military Assistance Battalions, Germany had a branch of the SS that was for women: the SS-Helferinnen, both of Churchill's daughters were enlisted, among countless others. The US even had an all-African American, all-woman group known as the 6888th Central Postal Directory battalion, as well as the WACs (Women's Army Corps.) The idea that women weren't combatants or near the frontlines is ridiculous. The crazy cosmetic decisions and prosthetic arm, that's where I can find fault with the game.

[novcze]

so why they choosed WW2 settings, should be modern warfare