What has Sony really lost?

A great look at what Sony really has lost since stepping into next gen with the Ps3. Looking at the subject from a non biased stand point, you can really see how trivial fanboys actions become.

[littletad]

Oh how the hilarity ensues.

Anyway, he mentions he gets ton's of mail on n4g? Does this mean he's a community member? If so, how is this considerably news worthy?

[SL1M DADDY]

Sony has lost several exclusives to their console this generatio but after seeing how they have bolstered their own first party developers and created a larger internal gaming division, it would seem that they might have seen the loss of these exclusives coming. They knew what was going to happen since it is more lucrative to go multiplatform and decided to bring the new exclusives under their own roof. It's a plan that seems to have taken some time to nail down but they have since done so and it is working.

[Josie29]

360 fans should start beating the fvck out of ps3 fanboys for their nazi like way of thinking. I know I'm going to.

[Tempist]

I think, unfortunately, you three missed the point. He's 100% right on the exclusives. With all the inflation caused by skyrocketing dev costs (because those EA executives need those gold rollsroyces) it only make sense for them to roll a product out on 40 million potential platforms for the same cost as rolling out on 20 million potential platforms.

All and all, sony didn't fail anyone, people just put too high of expectations on something new and untested without any information on what was happening.

[JokesOnYou]

-When you make foolish statements like this:

"We all know the xbox 360 is in the lead right now but they're not selling to anyone that isn't outside their xbox 1 fan base and install base." -silogon

-Then its laughable when your "blog" has this tagline:

"The only unbiased gaming site on the block"

-First rule of journalism, never state personal opinions or incorrect/inaccurate/*unsubsta ntiated data as fact, in other words don't pull BS out of you @ss as if you know who owned what and what they spent their money on= NO CREDITABILITY

-I mean I read a few comments from your site and one of them even posted this:

"Doomguy said...
Good article, but I disagree with your second statement. I have been a Sony supporter for the last two generations (I own both a PS1 and a PS2), but this generation I chose the Xbox 360 over the PS3, even though I hated the original Xbox. And I have some friends that did the same thing."

Surely there are quite a few gamers who did or will do the same, furthermore, if what you say is true, you would assume that 100+ mil install base of sony would have translated into at least 1/4(25+ mil) of them being loyal sony fans who would of brought a ps3 by now, the fact that ps3 sales aren't huge when you consider last gen's install base suggests that many gamers have either decided to get other consoles (wii or 360...err looks like the wii converted alot of those "casuals" which made ps2 so successful last gen) or that they are at least waiting to get the console that has the right games and value for their money.

JOY

[Silogon]

You think I'm biased for stating the truth? It is true. Microsoft with the xbox 360, until it has sold more than 26.8 million units worlld wide, has not out sold or gained any ground on their previous console attempt and install base.

I stand by my claims. Also, I allow any andall comments on the site; unless they are duplicates or malicious to a fault I'm all for being called names, but some of the stuff some of these people say isn't needed. I don't care if you like me, or agree with me; I just don't want death threats and other childish behavior littering the site and causing others to not post there cause they're affraid theyll be the next target.

I want it to be a little more productive than it is now, even. I am working hard to ensure that too. I have a great new interface and layout coming.

As for the write up; Ii stand by the entire thing. Read the site, if you'd like, and you'll see I am fair about every jab I give. I'll give it to Microsoft just as easily as I will to Sony.

I would like to thank you for reading and spending some of your time on it, though.

[The Lazy One]

yes... truth...

I know more people with a 360 that never owned an xbox than people that moved from xbox to 360.

Don't pretend like any of that is even a shred factual. It's just the "facts" you've decided make sense inside your own mind.

[Silogon]

I don't care how many people you know with xbox 360's... They "microsoft" have gained no ground from last gen to this one. Deal with it. So, again, I don't care how many people you know with an xbox 360, if the previous xbox owners aren't "jumping in" it still means, not as many are "jumping in" as they did last gen.

As I said, and my claims are valid...

Xbox 26.8 million units in 4 years time
Xbox 360 21 million in 3 years time

That is called less than = market share. You can't argue this fact.

[The Lazy One]

The original xbox had 12 million consoles sold at the end of 2004 (3 years after launch). 360 has 21 million sold in the same time period.

Let's do a little math...

21-12 = 9 million sales difference between the xbox and the 360 in the same time period. that's 175% more.

[sinncross]

Some of his points are valid, some not so.

Regardless, I think PS3 will do just fine... it's really starting to kick into gear this year, outselling the 360's so far in 2008. IF LBP is all that it is deemed to be, PS3's sales could sky rocket and there appears to be enough software from here on to ext year to keep sales alive.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

The thing that will keep Sony in the game is their business decisions on the console they've made so far. Microsoft just got a head start without the head start I think Sony would have made the XBOX 360 extinct. Sony is a year behind and still has some moves up its sleeve.

If you think about it HD gaming really did start when Sony released their console. Ridge Racer 7 anyone; than Microsoft got an update to support full HD (1080p) and secretly added HDMI ports to Pro/Arcade models. Thus, the Elite was born, lol. This is why I think the XBOX 360 can't do 1080p for its retail games.

[edhe]

360 added 1080p before the ps3 was on the market in the second update of that year. So the 360 was first to fullhd.

Both console can managed 1080p just fine, it's whether it's worth it or not that counts.

I'd rather have gears/cod4/bioshock/mgs4/etc at 720p than have half life 2 at 1080p.

Bottom line is that you get better art if you spend more power on that, instead of resolution and framerate. The game will look better with better art, not resolution.

NB i get 1080p out my 360 via component \o/

[sajj316]

Not 1080p native ... please do your research. You can not have 1080p native through component cables. This is why 360 put HDMI in ...

[darkequitus]

The 360 does not have many, but is virtual tennis not a retail game. Your argument fails

darkequitus: XBL/PSN/Steam/XFire/WoW

[JOLLY1]

They both accept 1080p resolution through component cables......natively. So if anyone needs to do their research, it's you. Also this article proves ou wrong also http://www.hdtvantennalabs.... (don't just read paragraph 2, make sure you also look at paragraph 3). A lot of companies limit the component cable to 1080i because they also have hd video players. Before HD-DVD and blu-ray they didn't limit the component ports though.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

PS3 Virtua Tennis 3 in 1080p HTML: http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

Virtua Tennis 3 for Xbox 360 in 1080p HTML: http://www.seganerds.com/20...

Virtua Tennis 3 on 360 Adds 1080p Support HTML: http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

According to the last article this was the first 1080p native game for the XBOX 360. The PlayStation 3 already had two confirmed at launch of the system. Ridge Racer 7 was a launch title that ran at 1080p at 60fps. No launch title for the XBOX 360 to run at 1080p at 60fps. Halo 3 isn't even 720p, lol.

I find it weird that Microsoft can update hardware through updates to support 1080p. So would this mean if my SDTV had an internet source with no HDMI it would be able to run 1080p videos? When something is made specifically to run at a certain resolution they need hardware updates to it run at a higher resolution.

[Robearboy]

The only problem Sony have right now is the price point when you compare it to the competitors, i know that Blu ray is the reason the price is higher but for me a games console is for games and as soon as a company looses sight of that, thats when things get complicated. Once the price becomes more accessable then just watch the sales figures roll in

[Final_Rpg]

FF13 was said to be exclusive. I distinctly remember seeing it on that awesome flash thing they had "Only on PlayStation 3."

[Twiky]

it is, maybe that's what you saw

[Lucreto]

Yes in Japan it is exclusive but everywhere else is multiplatform.

It will be funny it there was a Coup d'état in SE lead by Sonys shareholders and they kick out Yoichi Wada. There seems like there is some infighting going on.

[Omega4]

Apart from all the money they made from the PS2 era, every 3rd exclusive that had (excepet MGS4 for now) and a lot of their casual and hardcore PS2 fanbase (taken from the Wii and 360)

Sony hasnt lost much at all........ >_>

[ChrisGTR1]

wtf? that fanboy silogon is making his comments into news now? i guess silogon made alot of fake accounts to approve this one himself.

come on silogon , #2 makes no sence at all. sony hasnt lost anything because MS is still in second place? going from first to last means they havent lost anything? wtf

its pretty safe to say that the console sales this holiday season will determine which of the harcore gamer console is the winner this gen.

[Sarcasm]

Blog...

*yawn*

[cyclindk]

Prediction:

Xbox 360 with price cut and Gears of War 2 soon to release, huge sales.

PS3, still has the blu-ray advantage that's picking up momentum, along with LBP (which seems to be becoming somewhat of a phenomenon in its own right) Resistance 2; both platforms will see some nice multiplatform titles.

PS3 will lead against Xbox 360 this holiday, but only slightly and then substantially overtake the 360 in early 2009 with Killzone 2.

[tuney41]

Very good article

[xaviertooth]

did not lose anything. Games were just ported/shared over to other platforms because of high development costs.

Having one year full headstart and able to establish more than 15 million users, developers saw a temporary way to recoup in investments in making games with the 360. But very soon, when developers already optimized their code assets, exclusives will again start to flock the PS3 as they know that only PS3 has the only potential to realise the next step in gaming.

Addtionally, Sony might have shared previous exclusives, but what have they gained? They have Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Heavy Rain, Quantum Theory, White Knght Chronicles, Demon Souls among others--- new IPs designed for new age gaming.

This quarter and beyond, 360 fanbase will be left in awe. As Ghost always says --- "They'll never know what him em!"

[Sillyace92]

Very nice, Silogon

[Twiky]

Aren't there any other real problems for people to care about?
'Console WAR'!! have you stopped for a moment to ear yourself saying that? And how shallow it sounds with all the real WARS going on where REAL people get hurt?!

And why does everybody (as far as I've seen) looks at this whole 'console war'(!!!) from a direct 'I sold 10 you sold 7, I won' stand point??

I mean you don't have to be an economics major to know that it's not the goal of the guys at Lexus to sell as many cars as Ford does (if you have the abstract mind to get the analogy). And maybe, just maybe, if my Ford was always going down on me and if I have the possibility to afford a new one right away, maybe I will do so increasing again Ford's sales.

In the end that doesn't mean that Lexus lost to Ford or it doesn't mean also that Lexus is BETTER than Ford (or the other way around for the matter!).

Lexus could be better for me in this moment as Ford can truly fullfill your desires right now. In a couple of months maybe it will be different, it's not a case of life and death and surely not a WAR!!!

sory for my English and for the extent but I needed to say this

c ya

[Sarcasm]

Amen, people are losing houses over foreclosures. U.S. Marines and innocent victims die in Iraq. World Hunger is at an all-time high in Africa and other third world countries.

If these "console-war" soldiers put enough effort into trying to help our world, then we might just live in a better place.

But nope.

[ChefDejon]

so i guess you already went to Africa and other third world countries to help the World Hunger problem, and went into the army to stop the death of innocent victims.

[christian hour]

ChefDejon... Don't be such a jerk. You don't have to go to africa to help them, Bono goes there all the time and he's done jack all when he's over there.

Every week half my wages go to variable charitys. It may be small, I'm only one person after all, but I'm one of MANY who do the same. And together we make just a tiny difference. And I've had pictures sent to me of the differences my money and everyone elses money makes to thier lives. It may only be a tiny difference but its progress.

Twiky and sarcasm, you guys have my respect. ChefDejon, stop been so miserable.

On topic, this guy makes some good valid points. Sonys followers (the elitests, the rabbid fans) need to get over themselves and stop attacking anything that isn't sony. Same goes for xbox and wii banfoys. Each system has a great selection of exclusives, its own pros and cons, and a great selection of multiplatform games everyone gets to enjoy, regardless of thier console choice. I'd actually feel bad if fallout 3 or dead space were exclusives to certain consoles, and someone on another console didnt get to play them.

Also I'd like to add something to this article.

Sony and microsoft, are HUGE business partners. The sony Vaio laptops use a windows operating system, for example. As well as a good few other things. So keep that in mind.

[Sarcasm]

You're missing the point. I didn't mean it in a literal sense. The point is that all that energy could have been towards something more useful. Join a peace rally instead of bicker about which game console has shinier pixels. Go be a big brother to a kid that doesn't have a family. Heck, go and be a useful family member to your own family. Write a poem. Go play football outside. Go help your younger sibling study math. In the end regardless of what it is, it's more positive energy going towards the right thing.

Gaming, should just be for entertainment and maybe sort of a hobby. But to the point where people want to kill each other over that silly notation "Console-war" is stupid.

[cyclindk]

Are you too afraid to become...a CONSOLE WARRIOR!!! Join the fight, or sit on the sideline and pout about it, by not choosing a side you are a CONSOLE TERRORIST!

[EvilCackle]

Oh, console wars are completely stupid but gamers get so worked up about it and it drives website traffic so it's not going away.

[cereal_killa]

Well said bubbles for you

[xaviertooth]

and btw, great article!

facts were very well stated. im sure those people who whines at everything will feel ashamed for themselves. I hope they realized that they are the one's who created their self-misery.

[timmyrulz]

There is one vital peice of information that totally contradicts everything you are saying. The x360 is globally outselling the ps3 right now and it will continue to do so until Sony drop at least 50% from their RRP, which wont happen until they find a way to drop development costs dramatically.

Oh and devs arent really inetrested in the next step in gaming they are interested in Cold hard cash, if they were then we wouldnt see games made for the wii

[mll09]

This article is absolutely right.

In the beginning, 360 had the momentum, being the only hardcore console out there. Now, with the PS3 getting into its stride, it is starting to get the exclusives that show off its capabilities, and what do you 360 have now?

Ports of former PS3 exclusives, and only 2 hard exclusives: Gears and Halo.

MGS4 will end up being a half-assed port, there's no way 360 can handle all the stuff it has.

[Munky]

A lot of money on the PS3.

[sajj316]

So has the 360 ... but now its turning a profit. Sony will get there as well. Most systems lose tons of money on hardware from the beginning. For PS3, they did lose a good chunk of change but still keep committed to the 10 year plan.

[Munky]

Granted they both are losing money, but Sony is losing a lot more per console then Microsoft is and they both are far from turning a profit :(. But I do agree with you that the PS3 will do fine in the end, just like ever other console out there it's only going to get cheaper, which means more people will start snatching them up. As much as MSoft has opened peoples eyes this generation the fact is that the Playstation brand has a big @ss fan base, many of whom will never turn their back on Sony let alone buy a MSoft product. But all the problems seem to stem from how much money it actually cost to manufacture the PS3 (Cell, Bluray). The simple fact is that it takes a arm and a leg for sony to build it, so they gotta make the money up somewhere. Sony has already dropped the price of the PS3 significantly since it launched, they just cant drop it anymore if they wanna minimize the loss per console. Anwyways, they'll be fine, it's just gonna take a longer then they thought.

[hfaze]

"Granted they both are losing money, but Sony is losing a lot more per console then Microsoft is and they both are far from turning a profit :(."

[Citation Needed]

[Munky]

This is one article out of many that you can google that state pretty much the same information, but this is a good one cuz it references how much both Sony and MS are losing per console:

"Sony will be losing change to the tune of $241.35 for every "premium" (WiFi and 60GB HDD) console, and a whoppin' $306.85 for the bargain-basement 20 gigger. In comparison, Microsoft loses $75.70 per 360 it sells, while Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank with a profit per Wii sold."

http://www.engadget.com/200...

This one is a bit more recent, but the data is pretty much the same:

http://www.bit-tech.net/new...

or this one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/t...

[Says you]

For more then 4 years h3ll there going to cut it and losing 3rd exclusives show that Microsoft doesn't have many games of there own so they steal heck I cant even think of any other franchise that is exclusive to the XBox 360 and I mean exclusive not that PC crap considering the PC wasn't made by Microsoft

I mean its pretty obvious they want more of the PlayStation games if Resistance series suddenly went multiplatform the XBox 360 fans would say they don't want it but in reality they do considering they always contradict themselves they say they have great games if they do then why do you guys need the PlayStation games so much and the funny part is you guys hate PlayStation but you guys love the PlayStation games see what you guys did there you guys contradict yourselves all the time! you guys don't really want your XBox 360 games you want PlayStation games

you just want to find an excuse to play Playstation games without buying the PlayStation brand you guys don't really care for the XBox 360 games if all the first party and second party games from sony suddenly went multiplatform you guys would play more of the PlayStation games.

[REDZEV]

pretty much everything. They are definetly not what they used to be thats for sure.

[EvilCackle]

"We all know the xbox 360 is in the lead right now but they're not selling to anyone that isn't outside their xbox 1 fan base and install base"

This is one of those things you'd need to provide actual statistics for.

[JadedWriter]

Another week another non news worthy article.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Not on top like the ps2..

[tocrazed4you]

No matter how hard you try fanboys won't listen lol. It is a lost cause

[pain777pas]

Sony never lost you just have to choose whether you want 360, WII or PS3 exclusives. Unless you have all three then the point is mute.

[Zerodin]

Droids, you can't deny that.