Microsoft promises some "positive changes" for this year's big briefing in Los Angeles.
For their sake I hope they mean it.
After all these years...to be really blunt...they don't
Positive changes for whom? The fans or them?
That's the obvious answer based off of historical data, Foxtrot, and it's the safe bet if one is to make predictions. If MS is serious about surviving in the industry for the long term though, at some point things have to change to reflect what gamers want to see from MS. To me, MS spoke the truth about their intent with the 1X, and right now they contend that they are renewing focus on games and studios. I don't agree with your viewpoint because I still have faith that MS will show a shift in focus now that 1X is out. I guess we'll have to see what comes out of the show this year but, to be fair, I completely understand your, "Boy Who Cried Wolf" mentality.
Well Phil is a lot better than Don Mattrick the 🤡
Why the disagrees? Curious, because: -Foxtrot's response is safe given MS track record -MS has to change their ways ASAP -MS succeeded in making a console that can hit native 4K if the developers choose to -MS said once the 1X was out that they'd focus on games Is it because I said I have faith? I've seen constant improvements from MS since the launch of the XB1. I've seen attempts to market single player games that failed to have mass market appeal, like Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Recore, etc. but it was still an effort. Conversely, I think MS should have done way more with studios and IP by now; they were really ignorant by the middle of last gen with all of the studio closures and reliance on 3rd party, and none of the game cancellations this gen helped either. Anyways, I believe MS is doing things differently after reading this: "I don't think we've talked about yet, but I think will be some positive changes at E3," Spencer said. "Could be fun for us; it'll be a nice change." Spencer said that Microsoft believes in gaming. "The support that we're getting, the ambition that the company has...hopefully 2018 will show some of that," Spencer said. (edited for length) With that, MS specifically mentions change from the expected (see foxtrot's OP) with a possibility of results hitting as early as 2018. I'm not as concerned personally with "when" as "if", because there is no when to consider if MS doesn't show that they are making an effort to change.
Foxtrot said everything that needs to be said and then some.
Any change they make this year is positive change. Especially when compared to last year.
@Obscure MS has made similar promises for years now, yet always come up short. Should we just keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Many people have gone on record saying they just don't trust Spencer, and he did that to himself. It's not other people that causes Spencer to under deliver, it was Spencer who hyped up, only to not deliver in the end. If positive changes come, that's great. but don't expect people to actually get all gushy because Spencer promises something. If something positive comes, I'll give them credit when it happens. Not before. MS hasn't earned the right to expect others to have faith in their words.
Well said Foxtrot! MS can do what they want but stop playing with my time! Hopefully we really do see some positive changes. Problem is I've been saying the same thing for years!
@ultra "Positive changes for whom? The fans or them?" That's a good point. For me though, I actually don't want them to change. I just want them to make games.
In your perspective.
Obscure, You are more than welcome to beleive anything Phil says. No, go right ahead dude. Fair warning though, remember this thread (and others like it)because by this time next year you'll probably be reminded why blind devotion always leads to disappointment.
I hope so. this brand has become irrelevant.
to be fair I can't really trust Microsoft until I see it with my own eyes. remember the greatest lineup in xbox history lol. gears of war ( a remaster ) fable legends ( cancelled ) fm6 ( standard ) rise of the tomb raider ( multiplat ) halo 5 ( absolute trash story ). then there's the crackdown 3 cloud destruction which we still don't even know is real yet. at least early 2018 looks good with sea of thieves and state of decay 2 ( one of my most anticipated games )
By positive changes I hope they mean more true exclusives that aren't just timed exclusives with lengthy gameplay that blow our minds away like Sone does.
But you've been acting like they've been positive this whole time. Have you finally seen what many other have been saying this whole time?
no I haven't. I don't even own an Xbox. So not sure where you got that. I just don't go around slamming MS like most of the other people on here. I am neutral because I am just a gamer at heart. I just want good experiences and great games. They can come from anywhere for all I care.
I've seem wait til e3 for 4+ years. They are great at hardware like consoles and controllers. Shame it's not the same on the software front
That's a good attitude to have Neonridr, adding to the toxicity gets you nowhere. Microsoft needs to be held accountable for when they are not doing enough, which is where they are now and have been for quite some time . So it's no wonder many are apprehensive and unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt. If they do manage to have a great E3 this year is when you will see if people really wanted a change or just enjoy slamming them as you say.
damn, almost half a year for a new announcements.. let's hope some of that releases this year
No way it will release this year. It takes a few years to make games. I been saying 2019 will be a good year for Microsoft. Assuming the games are good. I expect all the new games they announce at E3 2018 won't release until 2019. I would like them to announce a new Mechassault game.
You can be "a gamer at heart" (though this is a nonsense, pretentious label) and STILL disapprove of Microsoft. You can disapprove of any of these companies. Microsoft gets justified backlash because they've promised and not delivered. That's not "unwarranted hate". For these companies to change, they need to be called out when they're in the wrong. Nintendo has dealt with it. Sony has dealt with it. The result? Nintendo Switch and PlayStation 4. As a "gamer", that should be what your focus is on, not chasing down forum-dwellers with varying opinions.
I hope so too. Its been all empty promises and no delivering on their part.
MS delivered the best E3 of last year. This year will be no different.
I'm curious..... with what?
Did you watch the same E3 that I watched?! It sounds like you watches. MS E3 in an alternate dimension, because they certainly didn't "deliver" anything.... like at all.. I could understand saying "MS delivered the best E3 of last year" only if it was the ONLY E3 conference you have ever seen before, and have never seen Sony or Nintendo's E3.
MS haven't had a good e3 for 4 years now. This year will be no different.
They'd be better off focusing on next gen honestly. Try to maintain a good showing for the next two years and then give us a ton of new IPs within the first 1-2 years of the next Xbox. That could get them back and competitive with Sony again. They still are, but not at the level they would want. They can't catch Sony this gen, but they could get out to a nice start next gen if they focus there.
Or they can just make games. I don't want anymore hardware from them, at least not for awhile.
"positive changes" Now where have a heard this song and dance before? O yes, in the months leading up to virtually every E3 this generation. Don't think they've ever been promoting it as early as January before though. That's quite telling.
I'd liked the "Xbox exclusive" every 30 seconds lol!
IIRC, they had a good 2016 E3. Problem is, right after that most of what they showed started getting cancelled and delayed. Having a good E3 is nice, following up on what was shown is way more important.
Here we go...the Microsoft E3 hype starts. You know the hype they create around their E3 like it's going to be the E3 to end all E3s is part of the reason why the majority of us walk away from their E3 disappointed. They bring it on themselves. 4 years now...they've done this for 4 years and their E3 shows are always the same.
"I don't think we've talked about yet, but I think will be some positive changes at E3," Spencer said. "Could be fun for us; it'll be a nice change." That's all he said. How about you read the article before you spew your usual crap?
Oh I read the article but my comment still stands What will follow...same stuff we get every year
Frankly, that quote makes it sound like he's trying to temper expectations.
dude read the article next time. it's not that serious he's just doing his job as the leader of his company and trying new things. He thinks it'll be a nice change whatever he has planned. No one is riding a hype train except you right now. Chill out.
Remember MS cancelled 3 of their games that could definitely add to their E3. Specifically their show to last year if everything went accordingly. The cancellation of Scalebound really hurt them for the rest of last year. If there's anything to go by the new year rumors sounds like MS is hard at work with new Ip and reviving its old franchises. This is a greatstart for MS http://www.ticgn.com/news/p...
Well youve been missing out cuz they havent always been the same. Theyve had some good shows. Unfortunately many of those games are yet to be released or were cancelled. Just like with some Sony shows being indie galore and not much else not too long ago. They change. They surprise. God of War reveal was the best show that Sony had put out in years. If the Hype Train wants to get going then let it. You dont have to get on it. No reason to try to squash expectations because you dont like the platform.
Let's see, I was there for the X reveal and it was all about being a media platform and Sony destroyed them a few hours later. I was there to suffer through augmented reality. I was there to wait around for a Halo 5 CG trailer at the very end of a conference. The best thing to ever come out of a conference was the indie showcase that showed a three second clip of cuphead. They invite everyone to these things and have their staff cheering at the bottom.
Yeah I will have to avoid articles like this I can't read this stuff for another 6 months after the last 4 years.best to forget the hype for all companies and wait for the actual event.
This. It's January and they're already talking about E3.
U know foxtrot, I think ur wrong. U stated MS been doing this for 4 years. However, I believe they been doing it for 8 years. Since 2010, they been doing barely anything.
i was gonna say they been overhyping ther E3 for 2 years now and its never good... lolll but you saying 4 yrs i might have to agree its always poor
4years?! More like 7ish to be frank ...
I hope if not BS
My interpretation of what he said is that the format of the show will be different. Everyone else seems to think he’s talking about new exclusives or something. He says “could be fun for us; it’ll be a nice change.” Sounds to me like a new approach to their press conference.
I just hope that they announce the discontinuation of the Windows store and release their games on steam right away.
That would be the best change they could announce.
I agree with that.
Yes, they should announcee the discontinuation of the Windows Store and make an XB exclusive.(not coming on Steam PC)
Maybe I am being naive, but I’m going to give Spencer the benefit of the doubt. They have made changes to their organization and leadership that I hope brings a sharper focus on creating great first party games. But I am wary of all these promises. Time to deliver. We will see.
Probably come up with a new way to twist the term exclusive. Or the XB1 version of Labo will be announced. https://imgur.com/a/WtA1m
Haha last time's "console launch exclusive" and "exclusive world premiere" cracked me up.😂
I literally don't want to hear the words " console launch exclusive "
Hopefully this time, we’ll finally get something positive. Xbox E3 2017 wasn’t bad but wasn’t good either, like all previous E3 from Microsoft since this gen has just been mediocre
Should watch e3 2013 and 2014 again
xbox e3 2017 was alright, they showed loads of good games like fm7, metro, assassins creed, the last night, sea of thieves, ashen, anthem, dragon ball z, ori and the will of the wisp, state of decay 2. I actually preferred it to sony's the big problem was most of the games are going to be releasing on other consoles. my biggest hope for this e3 is gameplay for cyberpunk, final fantasy 7 remake and release dates for ashen, the last night and the artful escape and I know it's impossible but kotor 3 or kotor remake lol
I hope there is a positive change for the players. But now being 5 years in this gen, it's pretty late to try to turn the ship around. Should of been making changes along time ago. We'll have to wait and see what they bring?
agree that's what I think they are doing now preparing for next gen. games like fable 4 for example will most likely be a next gen game
I hope they pull a really good show, showing that they understand where they have gone wrong. They really need; -New first party devs -Interesting new IP's -Revive a few old IPs with a new fresh breath of air -Get some first party studios set up in japan.
I’m hoping for some Halo 6 news.
I really wouldn't mind waiting another year if it means the game will be better as long as they have another big game to fill the gap
Oh yeah for sure. I wouldn’t mind waiting 1 more year. But beyond that I would start to feel restless.
fable 4 built from ground up yes sir perfect dark game sunset overdrive 2 find a better developer for ryse 2 make scalebound for xbox one X(just tell the fans look this game isn't possible on OG xbox one, i know it will make a lot of people mad but i want that game) last E3 for both sony/ms was average i truly believe both will bring some nice blockbuster announcements/reveals with them fun time for us gamers
The CPU isn't powerful enough to claim a game is X capable only. Any game that can run on the X can run on the base. It would be a lie to say otherwise. It would also spell their doom as it would be marketed by their opponents as Microsoft attempting to jump start the next generation years before it is needed with a market share that is nothing compared to their base market share and compared to their competitions market share.
Wait till e3, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018. The beat game of all the waiting game. MS love playing gotcha