Star Citizen, I am disappointed

Eurogamer's Robert Purchese writes : Star Citizen is a bit like an Instagram account: what you see looks amazing but the reality is hollow. As it stands, at major milestone alpha 3.0, Star Citizen does not convince as a game. But as a picture-postcard-maker - as a demonstration of technology - it's virtually peerless.

[UltraNova]

This game seems to be entering permanent perpetuity...after all these years it feels like a shell of a game it was promised to be. At this point one has to wonder if the people responsible for keeping this logistical nightmare going end up giving up on it and it simply falls apart leaving all those people who backed it up hanging.

I've read multiple opinions on Alpha 3.0 and they all reach the same consensus; the game feels like it has many many years left until its final version.

[Snookies12]

So, why the hell are people still paying for this thing? It seems so utterly pointless... This just seems to be that one Kickstarter scam that actually succeeded. It has gone exponentially over-budget and doesn't have anything substantial to show for it. Where is all that money going? Shouldn't what they've already gotten be enough by now? At least get done what you can with the current funding, and later on ask for more if needed.

[fluxmulder]

They're being roped along by the promise of what the game can be. Look at how this game is presented: the glitzy website with pages of lore, the youtube videos, the spaceship trailers that rival professional car commercials. It's all designed to sell a dream to people who don't have foresight to tell if this stuff can actually be made. If this game was being backed by a publisher, it would have been axed a long time ago, because they know that what CIG is promising is simply undoable. Especially with their inexperienced team and Cryengine, which was not made for a space MMO.

[HaveSumNuts]

Come on do you guys see whats happening in gaming today

PS2 (2000's) era: Complete games with a shit load of content, cheats, unlockables, cosmetic items all earned by playing the game

2018 wtf era: Incomplete and unfinished games charged at full price with barely any content, pay to get unlockables and cosmetic items, plus pay for a season pass to get the complete game

[AnubisG]

@HaveSumNuts

I've been saying that it will get to this ever since I've seen Need for Speed Carbon. Back than EA sold cars for the game for $3.99/each. When I've seen that, I got extremely angry because in a fraction of a second I knew where it will lead. Everyone called me an idiot at that time for saying that. Look where we are today and this will get worst in 2018 and 2019 as well.

[RememberThe357]

I believe they moved from the CryEngine to Amazons Lumberyard.

[DARK WITNESS]

@ AnubisG

I saw the beginning of this as far back as MW2. from that point on the price in games and dlc made a jump and we never came back from that. I actually wrote a blog post about this on here all those years ago. It's actually the only time I have written a blog post, I was that frustrated by what I could see it turning into....

today I don't think people even realise or care that games never use to be like this....

I don't even feel like a gamer anymore cos I hardly play anything. I find most games such empty experinces I have given up on most of them.

[Godmars290]

But isn't that what its always been sold as? An always evolving and developing project which - eventually - will convey every aspect of a space-flight sim?

Somehow that didn't sound overly ambitious? Nevermind when they were sticking $1,000+ price tags on virtual ships.

[UltraNova]

Yes but more specifically they promised working, content/feature-rich milestone releases(most of which they listed along with their now severely overdue timelines). Now, if after all these years and funding well into the hundreds of millions later, you actually consider Alpha 1-3 as their promise fulfilled, then allow me to strongly dissagree with you.

Their only hope of redeeming themselves, for now, is for Squadron 42 to be released soon and be at least a 9/10.

Am I being to harsh? Well if other more proven and reliable devs delayed their game a few months let alone years people would tear them a new one so, no I'm not being harsh enough.

[cyguration]

@UltraNova

So you want it to be rushed and buggy like Mass Effect Andromeda?

[UCForce]

@cyguration About that game ? Sure, but the development and business model of this game are questionable to be honest.

[UltraNova]

cyguration,

So what you want is for them to take another 10 years and 170million more to finish it?

[Godmars290]

"Well if other more proven and reliable devs delayed their game a few months let alone years people would tear them a new one so, no I'm not being harsh enough."

Sorry, but I laughed at that. Gaming culture, culture in general, has become one of blind devotion. Square is at a point where it takes them over a decade to put out something with an incomplete and vapid story, EA has been, well EA in repeatedly screwing over franchises, and you think if loud vocal minority in that needs something truly worth complaining about before getting into the tens of thousands is going to compare to sales in the millions?

[UltraNova]

So andromeda, shadow of war, forza 6 and battlefront 2 backlash went totally over your head as examples of "blind devotion."?

No man just no.

[UCForce]

But you do need some realistic expectations here. The Last Guardian have been in development for almost a decade. And it finally released. This game is almost like that, but I don’t know when dev going to finish Star Citizens.

[Godmars290]

@UltraNova: I've been in far too many arguments with the Xbox camp every time Forza comes out for you to say it doesn't have those who give it blind devotion. Especially when GT is brought up (just watch). Likewise, despite being the most notable for backlash, even BF2 has legitimate gamers who defend it not matter how small a minority they are.

In many ways SC is exactly what the likes of EA and Activision wants. A small school of "whales" who will just give them money regardless of a game's quality, much less it being finished.

@UCForce: SotC is the exception because, 1) it clearly doesn't show compromise in regards to story and gameplay, 2) isn't asking for more money by way of DLC much less thought Kickstarter so it can be finished.

[UCForce]

SOTC is a remake, not a reimagined or neither reboot.

[UltraNova]

Ok lets leave it at that. The reason I've mentioned those 3 games is that I haven't lost all hope for the gaming community, yet. I want to believe that gaming is not going to get f***** by money hungry Corps and that we are going to stand in their way.

Or maybe its the naive teenager holding a NES controller part in me that speaks...

[Godmars290]

I've been saying Shadow of the Colossus all this time rather than The Last Guardian.

Oh dear...

[Godmars290]

"I want to believe that gaming is not going to get f***** by money hungry Corps"

And yet they have plans to use matchmaking not to pair players of equal skill level with one another, but manipulate them into buying loot crates, DLC, and in general to just play longer - which is in no way contradiction to the mentality of loot crates and MTs for when you don't have enough time to game.

The only way any of this crap begins to get fixed is if EA *AND* Activision are made to close their doors. Regardless they're only begging for the next industry crash.

[bluefox755]

Why would they want to release it? People keep forking over money at an absurd rate. Just a month ago, they got over a million dollars in one day. You think they are in any hurry for that gravy train to stop? lol

[UCForce]

@AnubisG Yeah, I agree.

[Gazondaily]

No

[UCForce]

@Septic Really ?

[Tapani]

Just play Elite 2: Frontier. With some graphics upgrades it looks great ever still and is a blast to play. My big brother who is closing on his 40s just bought it used and said he was more impressed with it than with any of the other latest and greatest open-world space sims.

Star Citizen is a scam. A very well-designed one that is. Particularly on the legal front it’s so solid that it is hard to poke at it other than as a failed overambitious project.

[iofhua]

Uh, yeah. It's an alpha. It would be many years from release due to the nature of it being an alpha.

Why are you all so stupid?

This is like if you were writing a college essay and I failed you after completing the first paragraph of your rough draft.

[notachance]

lol yeah sure, a first paragraph that took a whole year to complete

[iofhua]

notachance - do you think a game of this scope is made in a year?

It could take longer than DNF to finish. It's a much bigger game.

[notachance]

it's been 5 years last time I check, still on the first paragraph eh?

[iofhua]

notachance - yes. Because that's what "alpha" means.

Are you stupid?

[dolfa]

It was stated several times that this is not a game but a simulator.

[UCForce]

It’s still a game even it’s a simulator or not. And i’m not interested of this game. Don’t get me wrong, I love sci-fi. It’s just that I don’t like the business model of this game.

[dolfa]

i was interested one time, but that interest ended like 2-3 years ago

[geyixubi]

G00gle pay 85$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 operating a hundred hours per week on-line. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months currently and he's employed concerning twenty two hours per week. I can’t believe however simple it had been once i attempted it out. this is often what I do.

http://www.fl-y.com/3qx0

[dolfa]

source: https://robertsspaceindustr... and could find a lot more for all you annonymous downvoters :)

[Gh05t]

"Real quick, Star Citizen is:
-A rich universe focused on epic space adventure, trading and dogfighting in first person.
-Single Player – Offline or Online(Drop in / Drop out co-op play)
-Persistent Universe (hosted by US)
-Mod-able multiplayer (hosted by YOU)
-No Subscriptions
-No Pay to Win"

"It’s about the gameplay and your interactions with others"

None of those scream simulator.

Source: https://www.kickstarter.com...

[Dark_Knightmare2]

I'll tell you right now I downvoted you because what you said to try to justify this ridiculous game was itself ridiculous so I guess the game and you are a match made in heaven

[morganfell]

I downvoted you. Your approach reminds me of the Politburo telling citizens they could find the truth by reading Pravda.

So far the only thing that is being simulated is a scam and I really do not think its simulating that but is instead the real thing. I do not think Chris Roberts began the project with that intention, but mission creep has led to that state. If we disregard for a few moments the overall budget and instead examine the game at an individual level it is no better than some Early Access game on Steam that never leaves Early Access and also never approaches the point of full playability.

The overall budget just makes the entire matter more of a grand farce. Oh they created a space opera alright...and Chris Roberts is the baritone lead.

[dolfa]

First of all: I dont try to justify anything here, Im not fan of the game, not backer. Im amazed how much attention my comment got. So i try to clarify what i meant. It was a response to the article saying it is "...a game..".

I was interested one time to play Star Citizen and was backer (refunded) one time because it seemed fun, but as the scope grew, multiple elements they implemented make it ridiculously complex and unfun to me. This is were IN MY OPINION game differs from simulator. Simulator aims for complex model trying to contain all the elements around the subject. Exactly what Star Citizen does while having few features of a game. It will take so much time it i wouldnt ever have. Thats also reason why i refunded.

Im not sure what made it so confusing for you to understand my post, but i guess there is every kind of person here. :-)

[bluefox755]

Simulate what? Space travel? Since they have no idea what that would actually entail, realistically, they're not simulating it. It's a game.

[dolfa]

Why couldnt they? Space travel is very much possible. Do you understand what simulator means? it doesnt need to be 100 percent realistic, it usually tries to simulate one particular area. There are many simulators like arma is, you could say Dayz is survival simulator aswell :)

[Psychotica]

Yeah so? What difference does that make? Does the label "simulator" give it a pass on quality and value?

[dolfa]

This guy gets it.

[tontontam0]

Lol

[morganfell]

I believe they now desperately need the money. I think they blew through most of their budget already getting a new company together spread across 6 international locations, hiring people, paying for the best tech, squandering money on big actors, etc etc. Now they have to start making a game like everyone else and the fight where it matters, in the trenches, is not going well for them. In the end this will go down as the most expensive flop in the history of gaming and they are beginning to realize this thing could fail massively. Their only hope is to have enough money to walk away from gaming and hide.

[DarXyde]

With six international locations, hiding might prove difficult.

... maybe they could use that money to leave earth and actually experience space travel. Funny enough, if they did that, they'd understand actual space travel and could build an actual simulator.

[Aither]

I said this exact same thing on the last few Star Citizen news articles. It was true then, and remains true now.

[NXFather]

haha

[drunkenspy007]

This game is a victim of scope creep. I feel bad for anyone who invested in it.

[Cobra951]

It may well be the victim of several creeps.

[WelkinCole]

Every devs worst nightmare.

[bluefox755]

Most expensive tech demo ever made.

[SierraGuy]

They should rename it "dumb citizen".

[doos_vd_kak]

Best comment here by far

[TheColbertinator]

After this article,it will receive another 5 million.

[UCForce]

I don’t think its gonna happen.

[Asuka]

Been saying it for years. You can't just throw money at something and expect it to be any good.

[GamingSinceForever]

Did he say like an Instagram account? Lmao!

[FPS_D3TH]

Almost got back into PC gaming because of this game. Can’t be bothered now though.

[ONESHOTV2]

Wow out of the thousands of games on PC you made this your only reason to use it as a gaming platform ???? Lol does that any sense

[FPS_D3TH]

Yeah... makes perfect sense. It’s 2018 dude. Who needs desktop PCs anymore? Haven’t needed one since the days of Half Life 2 and stalker.

[ONESHOTV2]

What who needs a PC in 2018? Lol millions do that's why it has the highest revenue when it's compared with all three consoles. Guy it look like you hit your head on something recently or from birth but plz don't ask a dumb question like that again

[CBaoth]

I've got about 17 years of PC gaming under my belt. PC gaming 2018 is the worst it's ever been! 80's, 90's, and 2000's were all WAY better eras. Nowadays you're essentially paying $300+ on GPUs to brute strength console sloppy seconds. There are no exclusives from triple AAA publishers; they'd rather make console games and treat us like red-headed stepchildren with half-assed ports. Blizzard and CD Red make console games and Valve would rather be Netflix. You champion mediocre devs like Bethesda because they're one of the few that release SDKs; essentially it's easier for the modding community to fix their mess rather than them. Unless you're heavily into with RTSs, MOBAs and MMOs there may not be a lot to pique someone's interest.

BC is great and pretty much the only reason I keep my rig. But honestly after 40 years of gaming, I've pretty much played everything that interest me. If I don't get to replay the original Splinter Cell in 4K though somehow I think I'll manage. Don't even get me started on those crooks Nvidia and yes I'm team green at the moment.

Bottom line: if Death Dealer doesn't feel it's worth it who cares? I understand. I've got 2 mortgages, 2 car payments, 2 kids I just finished paying braces for, and the oldest just started college. For some of us, we got bigger fish to fry. Gaming used to be about the experience, not how you make the journey. No matter what platform Death, you, or I prefer, the game itself provides the common ground to discuss it. You insulting him makes me think you're a console gamer that within the last 3 years built your 1st rig. Well that and half-dozen other times you like to spout off your specs when no one's asking

[FPS_D3TH]

You’re a moron oneshot. I don’t need a pc but you’re going to bash me because I don’t need one? Talk about basement dwelling pleb...

[ONESHOTV2]

CBaoth---"PC gaming 2018 is the worst it's ever been!" ok i guess 2018 has already ended ???

"There are no exclusives from triple AAA publishers" there is no need for that there are independent studios which doesn't need a big publisher breathing down their necks every 5 seconds. look at the
CD project red
bohemia interactive -
Creative Assembly-
Larian Studios-
PUBG Corporation
Ludeon Studios
Facepunch Studios
Paradox Development Studio
Offworld Industries
Firaxis Games
Unknown Worlds Entertainment
Microsoft Studios
Squad
THQ Nordic
Colossal Order Ltd
Focus Home Interactive
Laminar Research
Dovetail Games - Flight
Tripwire Interactive
iRacing.com Motorsport Simulations
SCS Software
CCP
Blackbird Interactive
Keen Software House
Frontier Developments
Relic Entertainment++++++++++++++++ AND THE LIST GOES ON----------

dude these are all studios that have gotten over 1+ million copies sold on their games so cut the crap because you don't know a goddam thing

D3TH_D33LR---"You’re a moron one-shot. I don’t need a pc but you’re going to bash me because I don’t need one? Talk about basement dwelling pleb..." lol look at this tool i cant be a pleb because i don't use consoles as my main platform but it looks like you do so who is the pleb again? and basement dwelling ?? lol ok https://imgur.com/y01M4Z6

[Cobra951]

Who needs a console? Console gamers. No one else. Same for desktop gaming PCs. Only PC gamers need them. Tablets, phones and laptops can handle everything else. So, what's your point?

[Eiffel]

Well, depending on your field you'll always need a workstation. I work with animation and modeling so that's a given.

[HyperMouse]

looked like a scam from the start

[McErono]

As Chris Roberts himself said „This is Bullshit!“

You all have no idea about Star Citizen and it shows
https://youtu.be/ErMFLryQ65...

[tontontam0]

Lol that's the point of scams, to trick people into thinking its not a scam.

Just like any other scams,

they have ready made reasons to defend their scam.

[morganfell]

And nothing helps scammers like getting a few fiery zealots on their side.

[Last_Boss]

Part of this games budget HAD to have been split amongst the talent they opted with in the story parts?!! Simulator.......ALRIGHT!!

[MagicBeanz]

Scam Citizen

[TheProfessional]

This game is such a joke. A $15,000 "Completionist" package with all the ships, ship variants selling for hundreds, four completely different game modes and no release date in sight. What I can't understand is how a "spiritual successor" to Wing Commander can generate the most kick starter cash in history, doesn't make sense. This is the biggest con I've ever seen.

[PCgamer98]

I feel like that the standards and expectations on this game was so high and unreachable that whatever outcome will happen people will still say that the game was a disappointment.

[CrystalFantasy]

This game needs 5 more years for it to come close to what is promised.

[Bobafret]

I feel at some point way down the road people will ask
"Whatever happened to that Star Citizen game"?

[badz149]

after over $150mil of people's money? it's not gonna be THAT soft for them if they don't deliver!

[windblowsagain]

Uncharted 4 is a great game.

And the latest spin off title uncharted the lost legacy is well worthy of a purchase, excellent game as well.

Star Citizen looks amazing in places, but looks empty. Love the way you move from the planet into space and you see how big it is.

Truthfully a Massive company would probably need to take this project over before it runs out of funds.

[CorndogBurglar]

Yeah but other games have shown flying from planet to space seamlessly and offered that sense of scale also.

Elite: Dangerous does this very well also and so does No Man's Sky (despite all the other ridiculous problems with that game, but thats a differenr conversation).

Point is, seamless travel from planets to space is nothing new.

[Amyellevivv]

Got full refund. Didnt like it and not to mention the crap optimization 20 , 40 , even 2 fps sometimes its all over the place. What a mess.

[TheDriz]

I am a backer and am totally optimistic about the game. I've played a lot of space flight/sim games in my day and I'm not sure a lot of other gamers can say the same(not trying to be snooty but I didn't like the genre at first and its kind of an acquired grind). This game is aiming to be the best ever made and I think I really respect that. You can say they stole your money and you may be right but nobody had to pledge a single dollar and yet they did. The hate articles came out and the doubt has set in but they are still getting funding.

I think there are a group of people out there that want this game and are willing to throw $50(or whatever package you bought) in and sit back and see what happens. I get that it's not coming soon enough and may never become a finished product but it's fun thinking that we may have something really special some day.

Plus if you didn't back it, why are you worried about how others spend their money? People be buying $500 toy light sabers and shit(super jealous of you b t dubs). This is 2018 and we have the ability to act a fool and thats pretty dope.

And I'm TheDriz and that was back in my day....

(you don't get the show)

[Bobafret]

Not liking the cut of your jib.

[CorndogBurglar]

Hahahahaha.

[CorndogBurglar]

No one is telling you or anyone else how to spend your money. But this is a total scam.

[Bobafret]

Was joking, I will be asking for a refund myself.

[TheDriz]

How so though? I always see this statement but nothing to back it up except that there is no game yet. There are many other games that take this long or longer to develop. The reason this gets scrutinized is because they have been showing us from day 1 what they are doing. Sure it could be a scam in the end but it sure seems like a lot of effort for a scam. Are you saying that all the time and money invested by backers is being laundered by opening up studios and hiring employees? C’mon now they’ve made a grip of money but not on the level where they could do that.

[Cobra951]

"Simply put, Star Citizen has a frame-rate issue so bad it ruins everything. There are glimpses of 60 frames per second when servers are fresh and populations low, but as soon as people join, the frame-rate plummets again. What it means is that you're unlikely to ever see more than 20 frames per second regardless of graphics settings, regardless of PC (within reason), and usually you'll hover around 15 frames per second."

Ouch! So even as a ridiculously expensive hollow tech demo, it can't keep up an acceptable pace. If they hope to avert a PR catastrophe, they better get cracking on their endgame. Completion is the hardest part of any big project.

[TheDriz]

It varies for people. My FPS is usually between 40 and 60. On a bad day it’s 25ish. I’ve seen people report much worse and much better. The game is in alpha and is not optimized but totally playable and even enjoyable at times.

[Old McGroin]

Think I'll keep my money until the game is actually released.

[vork77]

i will wait until the game is fully released

[Emme]

The idea behind Kickstarter was to help funding ideas. In the case if SC, I guess Kickstarter fills the pockets of Chris Roberts.
Reminds me of Richard Garriott and Shroud of the Avatar.

[ABBAJESUS]

They need another 100 million to get beta.

[clouds5]

And that's why I don't pay for unfinished products. I'd love to buy Star Citizen. But only once it's finished.

[cfc83]

Imagine giving someone access to so much cash. PC players so desperate to stretch the legs of their top end rigs that they would take these measures. Suckaz !

[Relientk77]

Can't believe people keep giving this tech demo money.

Suckers

[dolfa]

I'm not defender, but atleast it made some innovations. I think this is still less evil than EA or Ubisoft.

[iofhua]

"as it stands as an alpha..."
"does not convince as a game..."

WTF is wrong with people these days? NO AN ALPHA WOULDN'T BE FUN TO PLAY NOW WOULD IT?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT AN ALPHA IS?

MORON?

[Bobafret]

It's been in Alpha for how many years? Calm down man, no need to call people morons for questioning a "game" that has gathered an enormous budget and delivered squat.

[iofhua]

You're an imbecile, and so is everyone throwing around downvotes.

An alpha isn't even a rough draft of a game. A beta is the rough draft.

An alpha is the beginnings of the foundation of the game. They haven't even finished core parts yet.

The scope of the game is far and away bigger than any other game made. Freelancer doesn't even come close, because it didn't have planetary environments. It didn't have ship interiors you could walk around in. It didn't have persistence where things you do have a lasting effect and you can come back later and see the consequences of blowing up that station or that bengal carrier. It didn't have the massive multiplayer aspect.

Nothing comes close to Star Citizen.

It could take longer to develop than Duke Nukem Forever. It won't be done in 5 years. That's a guarantee.

You imbeciles have no idea how long games take to develop. You go to the store, buy that game that took dozens or hundreds of people 5+ years to complete and only think of the immediate gratification. You have no clue.

Giving this game a bad review while it's still in alpha is the most immature and unprofessional thing a gaming journalist could do. Robert Purchese is the journalistic equivalent of an infantile teenager throwing a temper tantrum because daddy told him he had to do his homework before playing his xbox. The idiots flocking to this story that defend this type of behavior are supporting the devolution of the game industry. You people are why gamers are so often portrayed as immature fatasses that live in mom and dad's basement. Because temper tantrums like this prove that's exactly what you are.

[Atanasrikard]

@iofhua

Pot, meet kettle.

[TheDriz]

It just went into alpha with the release of 3.0. So 0 years now

[iofhua]

It hasn't delivered squat? I've played the alpha. They've accomplished a lot in the time frame they've been given so far.

You have no clue what game development entails, especially on a game with this scope.

[iofhua]

Atanasrikard - Head, meet ass.

[CorndogBurglar]

"Because temper tantrums like this prove that's exactly what you are."

Funny how you say everyone else is throwing a temper tantrum.

Also how everyone else is immature.

Have you read your posts?

[iofhua]

Maybe read the other 100 comments shitting all over a game that's not even finished yet because Mr. Purchese decided to flush his journalistic integrity and give it a bad review.

No *I'm* the bad guy! Because I dare to speak out against the rampant trollism!

Yes you are being immature. So is everyone else here.

[cooperdnizzle]

Iodhua. I don’t think you understand game devolpment that well either. If the game is manigble and in fact could be a finished product, after 5 years they would give you a verticle slice. Every developer has to do this to the share holds/ publishers. In this case it would be the people who spent money. Build one section that works and is somewhat completed and than expand upon that universe. Same thing they do with Songs, movies and the like.

[Bobafret]

Still with the name calling. In my experience that is called projecting. Hope you work your issues out.

[iofhua]

Yes still with the name calling because you're still too stupid to understand what an Alpha is!

The game is years from release. Why are you shitting all over someone else's work?

Get a life, you troll!

[iofhua]

TheDriz - Uh, no. Game development has stages:

Alpha (starts with "first playable" which is the first time the game starts and has assets in it
Beta (asset complete version of the game - development shifts to mostly bug fixing at this point)
Gold Master (the first version of the game that is suitable for sale. The game is "finished")

Star Citizen is in alpha and still has many years before release. It's no where near finished.

[Bobafret]

So what you are saying is this thing has at the very least a 7-10 year dev cycle? And yet I am the stupid one lol. The only troll here is you.

[CorndogBurglar]

If you feel everyone is being immature for having that opinion then thats fine. But in case you haven't noticed, coming in here and throwing around insults, putting posts in caps as if you are yelling, and going on rants about how stupid everyone is doesn't help your case. At all. In fact, it makes you look way worse than anyone else here. It makes you look like you have the mentality of a child that just learned what curse words are. Or some kid who is just desperate to be the edgiest kid in school.

If you want people to listen to you, try debating them. Because doing what you've been doing just makes you look like someone who's lack of social skills and maturity isn't even worth taking seriously.

[adonisisfree]

This is a game that "no man should buy"

[Father__Merrin]

It's been around for ages. Just get no man's sky amazing game. Star citizen won't ever release but it's got a vocal fan base who I think are being ripped off

[TheDriz]

Do some research. These hate articles mislead people

[woozy]

It's not a scam, when this game finished it will put every game to shame for a long time and yea it's unplayable but every game is unplayable when it's in alpha stage, the worse thing dev's could do it now is to rush it, those type of games takes decade to make, patience !! haters will disagree, but that's ok it's human nature to want it someone to fail.

[frayed]

It's weird. I haven't backed this game, so I can't speak to how backers feel given that successive updates are feeling hollow. But I do enjoy watching the development of this game and find the ambition of the project extremely inspiring.

Context: Day Z is one of my favourite all time games and I've been a supporter of its early access all the way through. 4 years on and it's still waiting for that big beta update that brings the full fat gameplay infusion we've all been waiting for... And I'm happy to wait. Just messing around and playing the alpha has already provided me with 300+ hours of entertainment and I've just stopped playing until the next update rolls around. I'm okay with it because I was fully aware that I was buying an unfinished product - in fact I bought it with the intention of being able to test it and watch it develop. This stage has lasted longer than I'd like, but it's pretty clear neither the fans nor developers wanted that. It's just part of watching a game grow, warts and all. The most ambitious games are the most likely to take longer to get working. BUT WHY PUT THEM IN EARLY ACCESS THEN? You're only going to frustrate people and it seems greedy!

Well, my take is that we'd never get these niche ambitious titles that really push game genres forward without this kind of ground up support. Publishers, as has been mentioned here, don't wanna take those risks.

Think about it. Without Early Access we wouldn't have the survival genre, which means we wouldn't have the Battle Royal genre. We also wouldn't have people investing in MMO tech to make large worlds full of concurrent players - which is where pretty much all the most compelling experiences are being made... And loads more - passion projects, resurrections of older franchises etc.

Does the industry need to learn how to do Early Access better. Yes. But it's clear that some people are doing this better already. However, as an element that democratizes and funds niche and exciting projects and trends, I think EA has its place in gaming and is here to stay. I think we'd be poorer without it overall. Meanwhile, it asks us players to put up with some bullshit in the short-term for long-term gain. I've made my peace with that.

[Cy]

Scam Citizen will never be finished and it will never fulfill it's Kickstarter promises. Maybe Roberts started out with good intentions, but the moment he got a hundred million dollars all that went out the window. He's wasting backer money so he can pretend he's a Hollywood director, sinking tens of millions into unnecessary casting and full body scanning for cutscenes that will never see the light of day. The idiots who keep buying his $500 dollar ships are just enabling him.

[Surt]

Their will still be people out there who will look at what Star citizen is right now and be like "if I have to wait another 20yrs for it to be finished I will" To them I say "Listen go back in time and slap yourself with your umbilical cord. Cause you failed in life"

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

No worry! is not as if they have used too much money from the deve...users... :o

[cyclindk]

I mean what do they have to show for all the investment? I'm not talking about hopes and dreams. I mean real, physical code and assets, which translate to the virtual offerings, which is supposed to be a working game.

They sure have a lot of incentive to keep their cash-cow going you have to admit. I mean, they have cross-promotions with hardware developers to sell their supply and earn "free" ships and whatnot in Star Citizen. They've got the "get your friends to sign up and we'll give you free stuff," bit

This all has a very "scamy" feel to it.

Even scam artists will leave you with SOME trinket, even pretty convincing ones, but at the end of the day, is this just another fake Rolex wrist watch?

I like the concept as much as anyone, but I don't invest my money so frivolously. Not without a viable return on that investment. I hope Robert Space Industries proves me and every other doomsayer dead wrong, I really do.

[Nintenzo]

RIP the author

The Star Citizen commuinity will eat him alive.

[NXFather]

I am glad I have never accepted handouts or even once asked anyone in my life to borrow money except for my student loans that I actually have to pay back.

[IcedOmega13]

thats ok. all you sad folks can buy Elite Dangerous.

[subtenko]

Anyone who trashed NMS and likes start citizen is a dang hyopcrit. By the time star citizen is planned to come out, NMS will have near everything it has minus the better sense of scale and tiny detail to things