Work On New Xbox One First Party Games Has Started, Bringing Steam Games On Xbox Is Hard – Spencer

While the Xbox One is currently secured in terms of hardware, services, and features, the one area it is notably lacking in is quality exclusive games, owing mostly to Microsoft's shockingly weak showing in this area over the last few years.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Oh boy I can't wait and see in 5 years!? Steam excuse oh boy look at PS4 and Switch getting steam version like Kit kaks

[-Foxtrot]

5 years...by the time we've hopefully forgotten and they can say once again how first party games are coming...in another 3-5 years.

Like what they said in 2013, then every year since.

[uptownsoul]

Yeah...Here an N4G post about Phil Spencer's "Unannounced" 1st party studios...back in 2014 ( http://n4g.com/news/1487019... )...Let me know when we actually see more than just him talking about it

[Mr Pumblechook]

'Has started'? Four years into a generation and work has only started now - madness. Did Microsoft not think it important to prioritise development of exclusives beforehand?

[UltraNova]

Even though I've learned that I should never trust MS's word, on anything, and now Phil's as well, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one simply because the uproar on the lack of exclusives has been particularly loud. So I believe (want to beleive) MS has indeed ordered some exclusives for the xbox.

When do I expect them? 2020 at the earliest. Those games will most probably launch on both current and next gen xbox simultaneously.

[PeaSFor]

Sad how many loyalists are getting 'played' by Phil and MS, AGAIN!

[Death]

It’s sad how many concerned PlayStation fans are first in an article about Xbox. You guys seem very insecure.

[nix]

Next E3, we'll get to see the teaser. Two years later a full blown trailer. 2 years later, game cancelled.

That's what is going to happen.

[UCForce]

@Death So do you.

[-Foxtrot]

@Death

Not a PS fanboy...just calling people on their shit like I usually do

[Critic4l_Strik3]

@uptown
Haha, the first comment right there XD

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

WTF are you talking about, Sony has had 1 YEAR when they had more AAA exclusives than Xbox all gen, this 1. XBOX brought plenty games out after they said that in 2013, but everyone was too busy counting pixels. Have you forgotten about Sony THEMSELVES saying their exclusive lineup for 2014/15 was "SPARSE", so they would have to rely on 3rd party? I swear, some of you guys live on a different planet, in your heads, Attempting to rewrite history, 1 day at a time.

[GamingIVfun]

This kind of shot pisses me off. They should have been working on more first party content all along instead of canceling what little they had in the works. Instead of spending so much money on advertising, that just becomes white noise anyway, use some of that money to make good first party games. Phil saying they are starting work on more first party content this late in the generation, really, people are smarter than this nonsense. We may or may not see new games at the very end of the generation with maybe months before the new one starts.

[Why o why]

Concerned. . Not at all as I don't own one but it's sure funny watching the damage control and hypocrisy. Yeah we know. Exclusives don't matter. . . . . Until one or two pop up. Banter aside why would you expect droves of ps owners to an x or 1x if there isn't a significant number of exclusive titles or a strong backlog to pick from?
I'll probably do the same as last gen and grab a Xbox when the price comes down for starters but that won't matter if there's not enough games full stop. Don't kid yourself. . I'm not buying it for multis and I'm sure I'm not in the minority in that thinking

[hamburgerhill]

This is some seriously good news! Finally MS wants to step it's game up and take gaming on Xbox serious. I would have loved for things to be different but it is what it is. Fantastic news at the right time!

[Gman32]

you guys love to come on here and talk about how MS has no games everytime theres article MS or phil is lying get a life and enjoy the system you have stop worrying what MS is doing

[Why o why]

Gman32

Mana not worried. Phil has stated this before and he did so because he knew it was a major defficiency.

http://n4g.com/news/1487019...
over 3 and a half years ago my friend ...

...I'm not the first to put this link in here but it seems, like many others, you've either missed it or ignored it. Just look at the comments expressing hope and appreciation at words which ultimately became rhetoric.

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah those old articles back when he first said it are FILLED with hope. People actually believed and wanted them to follow though. So when people can go on like this is a biased website look at what it was like back then...the only reason comment sections on site like this turn bias towards one company is when the other companies are f****** up over and over.

What do you expect. It's why even people now like myself who see the bullshit (personally I saw the bullshit back then off Phil and was always disagreed to death) are called Sony fanboys when really it's just because they are naturally doing better, out of the big three.

I mean have you seen Shawn Layden running his mouth constantly? No. Want to know why? Because there is a time and place. Next time we'll here these suits talk the most with be around the start of December during the VGAs and the PSX.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

@Uptown Those games in 2014 either released already or got cancelled. So I dunno what you're talking about.

[Kryptix]

Mainly a PC gamer and even I can admit that it's pathetic to see people swallow Phil Spencer's words every moment they get.

And it matters to me because whatever comes to Xbox in the first party department goes to PC also. And I haven't seen anything amazing like what the PS4 and Switch is getting from MS because you Xbox fanboys keep praising the hardware and not being loud enough where it matters most for a console.

Acting like a new Forza, Gears 4, 2 indie games is enough. GTFO.
I'm just glad at least on PC, I don't have to rely on MS and AAA devs doing lootcrate fiestas for me because Steam is filled with great games, new and old. And on Xbox...well...you get what you get.

[S2Killinit]

MS prioritized advertising campaigns over making games. Check out sports illustrated review of xbox. That sort of thing becomes important when a console cant speak through its games.

[darthv72]

you guys are looking at it all wrong. Since it doesnt say "when" it started and only says has started... it can be assumed we know work has started for some time. Perhaps next years E3 we will see some results from the stated $1b investment in new games.

new games take time, I believe horizon was in development back in 2011 and only came out some 5+ years later. Nobody knew about it until it was shown off a couple years ago. Who is to say there aren't games in development for that same amount of time in Redmond. They just havent talked about them because they arent at a point to discuss.

[trooper_]

I never take what Microsoft says seriously. They canceled games that most likely had potential and screw over their fans in the first party department.

[rainslacker]

@Prema

"Have you forgotten about Sony THEMSELVES saying their exclusive lineup for 2014/15 was "SPARSE", so they would have to rely on 3rd party? I swear, some of you guys live on a different planet,"

Which planet would you live on, because on this one, Sony was talking about one holiday season, and not 2 whole years?

" Attempting to rewrite history, 1 day at a time."

Like you did with your comment?

Seriously though, Sony has had a pretty decent stream of exclusives. They've had slow months, but every year since launch, they've had more 1st party exclusives release than MS has, and whatever Sony is doing, it doesn't excuse the fact that MS has an abysmal output of 1st party games, and an even worse 2nd party supply of games, or that xbox fan boys like to go around acting like everything is fine, even though they trashed Sony for that one holiday, when even in that holiday, Sony had more 1st party games release than MS has had/will have all this year.

Anyhow, when I go around giving MS a hard time about their 1st party output, it's because they've been saying stuff like this since Phil took over. As an X1 owner, it's extremely disappointing.

The reason I wont just take Phil at his word is because he's been saying this all gen, and I still remember the billion dollars they supposedly had invested in games.

I remember how Phil went on saying he wasn't going to announce games early, because apparently gamers don't like that. But he's been saying that since the beginning as well. But he's been saying that for several years now, and yet, no games to announce for 2017 or 2018? But more promises that if we wait another few years, they'll be ready to show something, because they finally got some games going.

The reason I'm not excited about this current announcement is because it's nothing new from Phil, and given that we're four years into the generation, are we supposed to be excited that they'll finally have something by year seven or eight? Am I supposed to expect MS to actually release those on the OGX1(which I have)? MS already went on record to say they delayed games for the X1 launch, and I wouldn't doubt they do the same thing for whatever new distraction they come up with the PS5 launches, and the new gen actually comes.

[dcbronco]

He promised games a few years ago and they were making them. Fable, SoT, Crackdown, Scalebound, Recore, Quantum Break. You fanboys are like nazis with telling the same lies over and over until people believe them. But your fellow fanboys are the only ones stupid enough to bite.

[Ceaser9857361]

UPTOWNSOUL

Thnx for the link, Look at those comment.. Xbox fanboys are talking about EXCLUSIVES and how great it is.. and now 2017 all of a sudden.. Exclusives doesn't matter for them.. I was laughing reading at those comments back in 2014 where they were taking a dig at Sony.... man! Karma is a B...

[UltraNova]

@uptownsoul

Went to the link you provided.

Someone needs to do a thesis on the psycology of people who do massive 180s and completely 'forget' about their prior convictions/beliefs when they change from 'phase 1 to phase 2' (there's a free academic characterization). They can even expand their data analysis to the inevitable 'reverse 180' for when these subjects do a 'reverse 180' (another free term right there) meaning going from phase 2 back to phase 1 again.

[Many-hat5]

Foxtrot,
You have, along with many others, been a stalwart against Loot boxes, and I respect that. Please don't lower yourself to the Blah, Blah, debates.

[morganfell]

"Even though I've learned that I should never trust MS's word, on anything, and now Phil's as well, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one simply because the uproar on the lack of exclusives has been particularly loud."

Really? let me ask you a question. When you were a kid how many times did you touch the hot stove before you learned your lesson?

"It’s sad how many concerned PlayStation fans are first in an article about Xbox. You guys seem very insecure."

Let me fix that for you

...concerned gamers...

The sooner everyone stops supporting a company that doesn't make games but takes a chunk of gaming money, the sooner real gamers will benefit. That's right, I said it. If you continue to support this charlatan you are harming gaming.

[UltraNova]

@morganfell

Fair question, but common we are talking about xbox fans here...maybe they like their stove hot to the touch?

I'm kidding (not really).

In all seriousness, can you honestly say that MS has no exclusives in the pipeline or that they have effectively abandoned all 1st party game production? Because I cant.

[morganfell]

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. They have no exclusives in the pipeline. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Null. They may have some games like Crackdown and Sea of Thieves but those are not exclusives. They're also bound for the PC.

As for other games they may be starting something now but I really don't see MS studios having anything going. They may purchase some third party rights over the winter to show at E3. But they themselves really aren't doing anything. They have almost no 1st party dev houses in the first place. And games only on Xbox and PC will be something they moneyhat.

[zaherdab]

What is the steam on swotch exactly ? I jist see bathesta doin some poeting of existing games which isnt innovation by no means ....

[Mulando]

He is not talking about a "steam"-version thing, it is about full steam-support which is hard because of licenses etc. But would work if they would provide something like a virtual "Windows 10" with all managed drivers. Than steam wouldn't be a problem, but that won't happen.

If developers want to release a game on the platform or not is up to the developers/publishers and to the licensing issues (like e.g. sony has bought the exclusive console-rights for all double-fine games (e.g. remakes of old lucasarts adventures))

[maybelovehate]

Hard for MS to make money lol.. Which is understandable but yeah, Steam working on Xbox would be easy as far as technically.

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

@Death Playstation fans are just pointing out that your being lied to.

[Chevalier]

" It’s sad how many concerned PlayStation fans are first in an article about Xbox. You guys seem very insecure."

Strange how Death ONLY craps on the Playstation fans when not a single person mentioned PS4. So it can't be PC customers with the same concerns?! Death being a fanboy as usual.

[notachance]

they already know they're being lied to, hell even I'm suspicious they like being lied to

look at 'cloud power', you see any of those fanboys called out MS for that BS?
no, they gladly forgive and forget even though they've been defending that for years without proof

here, mark my words, all those 'enhancements' happened because MS paid for it in order to sell XB1X, one or two years from now the difference will be negligible because they couldn't be bothered to pay the extra work needed to optimise the game, and all those fanboys will gladly take those up their butt because MS divert their attention to next-gen console teaser, which won't happen until few years later.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

As I stated above those games in 2014 either released or got cancelled. Fable Legends, Scalebound, Phantom Dust Reboot cancelled. Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Ori & The Blind Forest, Forza Horizon 2, Halo Master chief collection, have been released Crackdown 3 releasing next year. So there isnt this pretend void in the past 3 to to 4 years of MS not releasing anything. So much for being lied to either know your history or get off that make believe agenda.

That goes to all PS fanboys on here.

[Why o why]

C'mon angelic. . You're one of the guys I'd listen to and reason with. If you think they aren't underperforming in output then I'd have to ask where you've been. Cancellations happen, delays happen but the talk back then wasn't about individual titles but about a change in ethos and output, internal output especially. How many new Ip's? ? How many 3rd party exclusives? . Tally them up and it's not benefiting of a brand with the best financial foundations.

I don't expect you to listen to Sony fans or fanboys but surely you've seen the growing number of Xbox fans who defended in the past now questioning and voicing dissatisfaction. What do you say to them guys? . You can't call them fanboys. Banter aside surely you can see ms are falling behind and it's not just Sony fans trolling

[trooper_]

@Chavelier

It's called insecurity. Death knows the truth. He just chooses to cover his head and 'lala' to the wind.

[rainslacker]

There are numerous things that can be pointed out about MS "lying", although I'd probably say it's just over promising with no real motivation to follow through. I'm sure there is some truth in the statements, but the extent of that truth is clouded by ambiguity that MS never clarifies.

This is one such example. No talk about what studios are working on new 1st party games, or what new 1st party studios they actually have, since there is nothing that suggest they have procured more beyond that indie geared one.

No matter how often those things are pointed out to those who defend Spencer's constant PR statements trying to portray himself, and MS as actively trying to fix the biggest criticism they are receiving, it's ignored, and the default argument becomes, "PS fan boys are insecure".

It really defies logic, because even if one were a fan boy, I'd imagine they'd still want more games, and they certainly want to use those games as ammo in this console war. But as consumers, the utter rolling over to accept whatever MS puts out as more than enough, and the best thing ever, is rather disappointing.

If Sony's overall output dropped to even double of what MS is doing now, I would be all over them saying, "WTF Sony, where are the games?". I'd be increasingly pissed that they constantly talked about how they had all these games coming, and if they went years with no track record to show that that was the case, I wouldn't be lapping it up like a starving dog at the dinner table.

To me, some MS fan boys are more interested in protecting their console of choice, as opposed to protecting their own interest. The fact that they're all over multi-plats being better on X1X now, with nary a mention of what 1st party games MS does have coming soon in the past year, is more than evident that they care more about MS than they do themselves.

It's much easier to just say that it's all PS fan boys complaining, and that MS is doing great, and that they are providing for their user base, but it's MS who spent the last year and a half with 90% of everything they taked about being new hardware that you had to buy, just to play multi-plats and your old games better. If MS fan boys actually looked out for their own interests, they'd actually be criticizing MS more, because ultimately, it's going to get them a lot more than the short lived satisfaction of trying to make others look like fan boys of a competing console. Seriously....more games, or some meaningless satisfaction on a forum where you get a few people who agree with you to validate your console preference? I'd always choose more games myself.

[fenome]

Best lineup in gaming history! More "exclusive" launch titles than any console ever. More bullets fired and miles walked, more transactions bought, yada yada.

He's been talking since this gen started, put up or shut up. Actions speak louder.

[S2Killinit]

I call these “Spencer said” articles. Its for reassurence.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Oh I see what you did there hahaha! By the way how's Deep Down I haven't had a chance to pick it up yet...

[XiNatsuDragnel]

XD Nice one that's funny too how's Scalebound? I hear that game was good should I buy it?

[3-4-5]

Well they are making them for next gen not this one. Don't be fooled and actually think those games are for the XB1.

They will be playable on the XB1X, but they are being built for the next gen in 2020.

[81BX]

I don't own a Xbox and I constantly troll but oh boy, I can't wait to see a game in 5 yrs

[starchild]

Microsoft need to do much better in this regard. Their competitors put out much more high quality exclusives and if they want to compete and do well against them they need to provide the same kinds of experiences.

[Zeref]

Brother, I don't think he means work literally just begun lol. I'm sure next E3 will be great for Xbox.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Hopefully nii san. If not me and my guild about to destroy a HQ.

[agent4532]

What do you mean?

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

He didn't say that they had just started work now, he said at E3 they were working on some games that were too early to show. Oh and btw, ms bought the gears i.p in 2014, 2 years later we had gears 4, so not every game has to take 5 years to make.

[Ashlen]

So, no play anywhere for PUBG, no baseball game, no Steam (obviously) and the absolute vaguest statement possible about new first party games.

No one can say nothing better than Phil... That's why he gets paid the big bucks...

[RpgSama]

Wow, they started in 2017, good for them, hope they are ready by the Xbox TWO X release, because they sure as hell ain't going to be ready for this generation.

What a pathetic statement coming from a compulsive lier like Phil Spencer, he would and has said anything just to save face.

[sammarshall102]

What has Phil Spencer lied about?

[DialgaMarine]

@sammarshall

Let’s start here: http://www.gameinformer.com...

[DJStotty]

He stated work has started. Didnt say when. could have been last year or year before.

No play anywhere between xbox - steam -origin is what he is saying due to licensing. Play anywhere between xbox - windows 10 is fine

And no 1st party baseball game - so could possibly be a 3rd party game coming

[sammarshall102]

@DialgaMarine He just said he doesn't like it, that doesn't mean it isn't necessary. This year Microsoft needed Cuphead and Pubg even if it is timed

[skiggy34]

This is the first year MS didnt put out many exclusives. Every year up until 2017 this gen had a few big budget games. 2018 has 3 right off the bat. Stop using your opinion on games as a reason to say Xbox has no games. I am very much looking forward to State of Decay 2 (SoD 1 scored a 9+), Crackdown 3 (previous crackdowns scored 8+) and Sea of Thieves which looks super fun! Thats only what we know now and I'll bet MS has some big stuff coming. Anything Sony can do you have to figure MS "can" do 3x more.

[RpgSama]

@Skiggy34

Well, you know what they say, just because you can doesn't mean you will.

[Cyborgg]

@DialgaMarine

I remember that

[UCForce]

@sammarshall102 Then why MS extended PUGB exclusive ?

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yep as of November 21, 2017 they started 1st party games....how stupid can you actually be....

[HyperMouse]

@DialgaMarine How would you know what Phil loves, maybe he only likes it like a friend

[thatguyhayat]

Sammarshall102

Everything when became head of xbox. He made the xbox irrelevent this gen.

[DJStotty]

At the end of the Day Phil is turning the brand around. I know not many Sony fans like it but thats how it is.

If it wasnt for him we would have kinect 3 right now. He is cutting the fat and building a better platform, that takes time

[Mr_Writer85]

@skiggy

"Anything Sony can do you have to figure MS "can" do 3x more."

What? How do you work that out? You do know that Sony have more studios producing exclusive games?

Logic would tell you that its nearly impossible for MS studios to match Sony's volume of producing games let alone 3 times more.

[Why o why]

He's talking about their finances. ....the irony that they have the most money but invest the least is lost on him. Guys like him must factor into why ms doesn't feel like they need to do more. Why bother when every misstep is defended so vehemently.

[mkis007]

Money always wins? MS has always had more money than sony and has never won. They don't recognize talent as well as sony does, and they definitely take less risks. Them getting a game like cuphead is the exception rather than the rule.

[Mr_Writer85]

But how can they do 3 x more when despite having the money, they don't have that money invested in actually making games?

Also does the Xbox division 3 times more money than Sony's playstation division? I find that a little hard to believe.

Microsoft owns the Xbox division, but that doesn't mean that Xbox has access to all of MS fortune.

Same applies to Sony and PlayStation.

It's like a sports team, if the sports team is bought buy a billionaire, that team doesn't suddenly have the same wealth as its owner. He/she chooses how much to give them. However the owner has access to the teams money and can take money from said team if they wish.

Also as I said Xbox don't have more resources than PlayStation in terms of game studios, I can't remember the exact number but about a year ago Sony (PlayStation) had double the studios that MS (Xbox) have.

Again logic would tell you that if you have twice as many studios working for you, your going to produce twice as many games.

Which they do.

[ONESHOTV2]

Sony fans are so easy to please just create a stale third person action game with stealth and QTE and they eat it up lol talk about low standards btw i I'm a pc/ps gamer

[Mr_Writer85]

@oneshot

Why would you own a PS4 if the exclusives are all " stale third person action game with stealth and QTE" type games.

I mean it's clearly not for 3rd party games as you own a PC.

So either...

A) You're lying and don't own a PS4

B) You're being a hypocrite and have also bought these games yourself.

C) Don't own either a PC or a PS4 and lack the intelligence to make a well thought out argument. And are just an butt hurt Xbot

D) A troll

[IIIIIII]

@ONESHOTV2 Xbox fans are even easier to please, just create.......nothing...

[FallenAngel1984]

Shouldn’t work on first party Xbox One games have already started since the beginning of the generation? What happened to that $1 billion investment towards exclusives in 2013?

[nowitzki2004]

Forza, Forza Horizon, Forza and then Forza Horizon

[Rude-ro]

Missing a couple forzas from this gen 😂

[Relientk77]

Also those real cars they bring on stage to reveal Forza each year lol

[StormLegend]

And let's not forget 2 billion on Minecraft lol

[rainslacker]

Minecraft was brought by MS proper, not the devices division which handles Xbox.

The Xbox division now handles Minecraft, but I don't think the 2 billion they spent on it came out of Xbox's budget.

[sammarshall102]

Gears 4, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Dead Rising 3 and 4, Forza Horizon 2 and 3, Halo: MCC, Killer Instinct, Forza 6, Ryse, Quantum Break, Gears Ultimate, Recore, Scalebound (millions wasted) Fable Legends (millions wasted) Halo Wars 2, Ori, D4

There's most of the money spent

[Prince_TFK]

People here will downvote you for posting facts.

[DialgaMarine]

Gears Ultimate and Halo MCC? I guess we can count the Uncharted Collection and TLoU Remastered as big investments as well then. Thanks.

Yikes, look at all that shovelware and rehashes. Quite the lineup lol

[UCForce]

Well, some of them are not exclusive because they are also on PC.

[sammarshall102]

@Kun_ADR I love Sony and Microsoft and sometimes I wonder if people try to purposely ignore Xbox before 2017. 2013-2016 all I had was a Xbox One and I had plenty of games

@DialgaMarine Gears Ultimate is a remake with new assets not the same as a remaster and so is Halo 2 in Halo MCC they obviously cost more than just upping the resolution

Regardless, they aren't free

[notachance]

here's a statement from 2013:

'The executive noted that the company is planning to invest more than $1 billion for new content, including 15 internally developed titles in the coming year, eight of which will be brand new IP.'

you see eight new first-party IP in there?
no?

......

[skiggy34]

Lol thats a very decent amunt of games. Lots pf those games came when PS4 had nothing. The first 3yrs of PS4 there was like 1 AAA title a year and none of these down voting losers acknowledge that. Sony fans are like democrats on CNN. PS4 finally has 1 "ok" year and now Sony fanboys act like the PS4 has been giving them exclusives the entire gen. Up until this year the narrative was power. Once the X was announced that narrative switched to games. Its hypocrisy at its best. At least we are starting to see some media completely forget about PS now that the X is out. "1 ok year" means Horizon (IMO) was no more than mediocre, Nioh was good(but not 1st party) and the rest suck IMO. Uncharted 4 was the worst it the series. TLOU and God of War 3 are Sonys best games.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Plus advertisements for all those. They downvote when you say something right and they can't rebuttal, they absolutely can't prove you wrong so you win.

[HyperMouse]

Facts have no place in internet arguments, also Cup head :)

[rainslacker]

The billion in investment came after the launch, so SSOD,Ryse wouldn't be included in the list. Same with KI, although I'll include the subsequent seasons in for giggles

So, lets break down the numbers based on what is the general budget for those games based on their scope

Gears 4- $100 million(with marketing)
Halo 5 - $100 million(with marketing)
Forza x4 games - $30 million each = $120 million
Halo MCC - $10 million
KI - $20 million
QB - $50 million(small dev, risky new IP)
Gears ultimate - $10 million
Recore - $10 million
Scalebound - $50 million
Fable Legends - $40 million

So, that's 510 billion....give or take

Logic would dictate, that they should have about twice as many games as that list alone....although I'm sure we missed a few games in that list, but not 1/2 billon worth

Now, maybe MS put another 1/2 billion into marketing all those games....in which case, good for the gamer right? You get that list of games, and MS squanders half a billion on marketing. Guess you can always play that award MS won for spending the most money on advertising last year.

@Kun

People downvote him because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[TheVetOfGaming]

That's since Xbox one released. That isn't great.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Most of that was for the NFL deal, remember - TV, TV, TV, TV.

[lelo2play]

"Work On New Xbox One First Party Games Has Started..."

Only now!!!
What the f**k have you guys been doing all these years?

[Rimeskeem]

Trying to compete with PC then surrendering and putting any exclusives they may have had on PC.

[Godmars290]

Kinect.

[King_Lothric]

Backward compability games.

[Gamist2dot0]

Playing with the weather...and still no sight of the cloud.

[rainslacker]

Telling people they were already making them, or would soon Sadly, we haven't seen anything new in a while, so Spencer will have to forgive me if I don't take him at his word here....or even think if MS will release them for this generation if they are only just beginning. even if they've been working for a bit of time, the wording here generally means that it's a more recent development.

[Relientk77]

2013 - Xbox One releases
2017 - Work on first party games finally starts

Wow, ridiculous

[the_massive]

You are the epitome of why no one in the industry talks about anything. GG.

[UCForce]

Well, he isn’t wrong. Their competition is getting ahead and MS are lagging behind. MS should have started doing this in first place.

[bluefox755]

Because he's tired of the BS? We all are. Not even the fanboys show up to defend this stuff because even they know it's crap.

[Rude-ro]

I remember 3 years of cloud talk... your point is now muted.

[the_massive]

Do you /reallllly/ think that they just opened studios or started work on exclusive games just this year? You realize that would mean no fruit for like, 4-5 years... [EDIT: My point is why the ef would you even mention it if the pipeline was totally empty]

I am gobsmacked that you could draw such a ridiculous conclusion.

But hey, keep on keeping on being you and trying to draw inference from a statement that we will never have any background information on till the games are close to release.

[Godmars290]

@bluefox755:
Isn't the_massive trying to defend this stuff?

[rainslacker]

Yeah, well....the rest of the industry can stay silent, so long as they release games. Nintendo and Sony aren't making a fuss all the time about all these games they have, or all this power they have. But damn, for how little they talk, they sure are outpacing MS on software output.

@the_massive

If MS opened up more studios, there would be news about it. It'd be in their investor reports. There would be evidence that they were opening them before that through job postings. MS was known to open up one studio for more indie type games a couple years ago, and there were articles about it. There is no way MS could open a single, much less multiple, AAA or mid-tier level studios without there being a hubbub about it.

[the_massive]

@Godmars290

I think the xbox platform fucked up royally. They somehow pissed off every single japanese game maker to the point of just getting a trickle of the games that come out for ps4 and PC.

I am fairly sure they did not fund or offer enough direction to the publically cancelled games early on in development, and I think it's the same issue from the get-go of trying to be cheap building a console from the previous management (like, making it on par with ps4 would have made it 10bucks more a console...)

All that and more are issue.

But @Relientk77 is just making people dumber. 1st, it's not even the right quote. 2nd, theres absolutly 0 context. If you buy his statement, you believe there are no MS published games coming out for 3-5 years (as so many comments on this article seem to believe)

He said work on NEW 1st part games has started. This says nothing about what we know is coming out, nothing about what we dont know is coming out in the next year or two. It literally just means they have started work on some new games.

[UCForce]

But the thing is, they should have start in first place. But now, it’s too late for them. MS didn’t have enough confidence on Scalebound. Phil Spencer is losing faith on Single Player.

[Godmars290]

MS have actively ignored JRPG, many other console based game genres, since OG Xbox. They may have pushed them with the 360, even going so far as to recruit Sakaguchi of FF fame, but as soon not only gave up on it, but in a way that gave Sony advantages like extra content.

They've only ever wanted the Xbox to be something games came to rather than were made for because they've never really thought about making games. OG Xbox was about PC ports, now they're talking about bringing Steam to the XB1.

And yes by earlier comment it comes off as if you're defending MS on another one of their "the games are coming" statements. By now them saying such should be considered standard along with "exclusives don't matter" which they've probably said twice as much.

[chiefJohn117]

Google sea of thieves, state of decay 2, Ori, turn 10 new IP, then come back and make that post lol

[slate91]

I still believe!

[King_Lothric]

Let me finish your sentence

I still belive first party games are not coming.

[slate91]

Nope! I had an exclamation mark so the sentence was finished!

[Rude-ro]

In Kinects abilities?
The fact the last 4 years of the 360 was dry because they were focusing on games for next gen?
In the cloud and 4x the power and hints of 4K gaming although the Xbox one could not even support 4K in any way due to the cheap hdmi?
that third party deals are crap, unless done with Microsoft.
How Phil said games is more important than pixel counts and release not one new AAA 1st party game and two upgraded consoles going after the almighty pixel?
Lots to believe in... here is hoping something comes to fruition

[slate91]

Oh, Rude-ro, you dont have to say youre hoping that those things come to fruition. We can tell by your comment history you dont mean that! :)

[Rude-ro]

@slate91
I despise Microsoft because they try to monopolize their way into anything they did not realize would be essential in the market they want. Because they spend more money on marketing and media rather than an actual good product.
Because after spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on their products... I have finally realized that they never deliver. I do not want to see them do what they have already done in gaming. Divide and try to conquer.
100% admit....
But if they actually tried to be a gaming company and actually try to provide to gaming, no one can really ignore a really good game and thus they would be a viable option.
Until we start seeing Microsoft studio games that are worth something, I’ll buy in... it just will not be this gen and going full marketing on “the most powerful console” on the third iteration of a console this gen this close to the end of the gen and just now say we are moving forward with first party titles...
It will be better luck next gen before even thinking about supporting them again.

[andrewsquall]

Its so unbelievable he is saying this yet again. And you KNOW its a serious issue when not one single hardcore fan can come here and defend it, although the disagrees are still happening so SOMEBODY is here and has absolutely NOTHING to actually say on the matter.

[rainslacker]

A couple are trying to defend it, fairly unsuccessfully.

But I've noticed every year there are fewer and fewer people willing to say, "Wait for -insert event here-"

MS could stop all this talk by just showing some stuff. I never believed MS wasn't showing stuff because they wanted to wait until closer to release. That's just dumb, and it's very few games that get announced the same year they're released. I always knew they didn't have anything new to announce, and they used the criticism against Sony announcing too early to find a way to buy some time.

But at this point, they've run out of time for many, and it's just time to start showing stuff. Who cares if it's too early? Some Sony fan boys maybe? The general consumer doesn't care, and MS needs to stop worrying about that if they have some real content there. The criticisms against them now are real, and quantifiable, not something subjective like, "Their games are years off". We already know that MS games are way off, so why not just show why it's worth buying the console....and maybe give your current customers something more to look forward to than the best way to play multi-plats if you're willing to spend another $500.

[chiefJohn117]

We busy enjoying the X and hyped for Ori, sea of thieves and state of decay

[Pantz]

I have high hopes for Xbox. Ever since they trashed the Kinect they've been heading in the right direction.

[RpgSama]

At what speed? They sure like to take their time.

[Pantz]

For me, they've already started with the Xbox One X. I too want to see more exclusives, but for now I'm quite happy. What really has me hooked is their backwards compatibility library. It's getting close to being like Steam. Right now I'm loading up on the Black Friday sales on 360 games compatible with Xbox One and some even specially enhanced for Xbox One X. Even the ones not specially enhanced are still looking a bit better and playing better with improved frame rates and loading times on my Xbox One X. The prices are insane too getting some for $2 to $5! So I'm going to be busy for quite some time and if he says more exclusives are coming, that's all I need to hear.

[RetroGamR]

Hey, Greatness awaits right? If sony can wait over 3 or 4 years to deliver then why can't xbox?

[Xb1ps4]

Well.. they could have still kept Kinect... I liked it they just didn’t have to force it on everyone

[Pantz]

Yea sorry, I was a bit rude there. Kinect is cool but I think it split their focus too much.

[Nyxus]

Since the launch of the Xbox One there have been less and less first party games coming out every year.

[UCForce]

Because their games are also on PC.

[jokerisalive]

Would have been nice if they ‘started’ making new ip’s four years ago......Phil says a lot about games but winds up cancelling or delaying the few they have actually had. Good luck and I hope he is being honest about new games for once. Here’s an idea Phil.........get your shit together and publish SS Overdrive 2 with Insomniac as they approached you two years ago and got NOTHING from you. The first game was a rare fun game which MS desperately needs more of on the Xbox and if they had any brains collectively they would have jumped on the sequel and locked it down. That’s why I don’t believe anything Phil or his cronies say anymore regarding new games or games in general. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.

[gamertk421]

Can't wait for Crackdown and Sea of Thieves, tho.

Come at me with those disagrees, folks.

[StormLegend]

I wouldn't be happy for crackdown. Game looks terrible and Sea of thieves look boring.

[UCForce]

@Doggy123 I don’t think so.

[LandoCalrissiano]

So judgemental. No wonder they dont have any exclusives, because people like you are so salty in judgement you can't see them. So when they say no exclusives, it really means no games that fit into my tiny perspective of how games should be. What did you think of quantum break? A brand new ip with a brand new style which brought movie style acting in a compelling story with amazing graphics the world has never seen the likes of. Seriously, I blew my shit thinking it was the coolest thing ever when I saw Kevin spacey in advanced warfare (and kit Harrington in IW and Ashmore in quantum break) cuz I loved the idea of great actors moving to video games because it's on a new level. Guess that doesn't excite you.

[bluefox755]

Heard that before. I think he should move on from "tell don't show" approach. Time for less talk, and more action. No one outside of the fanatics believe a word he says anymore.

[Nyxus]

Started? Am I reading this right?

[Razzer]

Shockingly, yes

[Cyborgg]

Whatever you say Phil. Still have to wait a couple of years

[Vizigoth04]

Gotta admit. Sounds like empty words and false hope. The thing is what developers do they have to produce them? Unless they use Bethesda or someone to help them out. I hope 343 studios is working on something other than Halo. Xbox fans deserve it. Something other than Gears also. As a PlayStation dude I'm hoping and begging that they get on with it and support the players and produce some quality titles. I can't invest in any Xbox with it's current status. There's no desire.

[chiefJohn117]

Too each their own. I want my Halo every 3 years. I deserve it lol there's a reason it sells so much. #InPhilWeTrust

[marquisray]

so they should do like sony show games b4 e3, show the same games at e3, with no dates, sounds good to me, and please do not tell me anything about Nintendo, i bought a switch, ive played it twice, so please not again. my xbox x, puts my ps4 to shame with my new lg oled

[Nyxus]

When were Sea of Thieves and Crackdown 3 announced again?

[j15reed]

Those games are bigger than just a single player linear experience though..

[AmUnRa]

Bingo!!

[Ashlen]

@j15reed

Actually, most single player games are far more complicated and costly than multiplayer games. The difference in the number of voice actors and the art involved in creating a large open worlds vs a few small set pieces for multiplayer stages is huge.

That's why EA has tried to eliminate single player from their games and why games like CoD Battlefield Battlefront ect have really short single player campaigns.

[UCForce]

@j15reed Do you really think so ? I think not.

[DialgaMarine]

Just started? What the hell have you all been doing for the last 3 years?

Sony’s in development: Spider-Man, God of War, Detroit, Death Stranding, Dreams, Days Gone, Shadow of the Colossus, and The Last of Us 2. Games we’ll be seeing in the near future.

Xbox: Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, some times exclusived, and getting the next wave of shovelware titles ready to launch on their next gen Xbox.

[RetroGamR]

wait wait..didnt sony anounce those games to early? Man if you would have posted this back in 2013 i would have picked up a ps4. .

[DialgaMarine]

Because Crackdown 3 wasn’t announced over 3 years ago lol

[Father__Merrin]

Phil's a liar. Only just started making exclusive games..is this a joke?

[PS3_Noob]

Not sure if serious or just trolling

[j15reed]

Calm down guys he's just talking about 1P game production ramping up, he's not saying we have nothing in development or it will be 5 years before you see anything. We all know from the Sony model you can pad your exclusives with 3rd party.

[thisismyaccount]

Phil Spencer said this in 2015 :
At E3, Phil Spencer wants to focus on first-party and exclusive Xbox games
https://www.polygon.com/201...

Phil Sencer said this around e3 2017 :
Phil Spencer reaffirms his commitment to first-party games and confirms deals
https://mspoweruser.com/phi...

Few weeks ago, early november 2017 :
Phil Spencer: Microsoft is committed to growing first-party Xbox content and studios

Do you see a pattern here?

Phil Spencer will say this in 2019 :
More focus on 1st Party, 100% certain about it (this time i mean it!). Expect more masterfullygeared content forzed upon you ... you like´em or not. More GaaS Elements as well, so we can scam money out of you like we did in 2017. Expect even more high quality pixels never seen before...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entri...

[LandoCalrissiano]

So the 5 brand new ips (quantum, recore, sunset, cup, & super luckys tale. 6 new ips with sea of thieves) between this year and last year dont count? So that's all a lie when he said that in 2015? If that is a lie then what's your definition of 1st party and exclusive?

[ocelot07]

"If that is a lie then what's your definition of 1st party and exclusive?"

First party- Gears of War, Halo, Forza, Sea Of Thieves
Second Party (contracted they don't own these studio's) Cuphead, Recore, Super lucky Tale, Quantum Break, State of Decay, Sunset Overdrive.

Just to clarify - Most of those second party IP's belong to Microsoft. However, They contracted a 3rd party studio to develop the game. So if the likes of Remedy the developers of Alan Wake and Quantum Break wanted to make a game and release it on the PS4 or Switch they can do.

As for exclusive. To me if a game is exclusive then it's only available on 1 platform. For example GT Sport that is exclusive to the PS4 and can only be played on PS4. Same goes for say Forza 5 which is exclusive to the Xbox One and simply can't be played on another platform.

A game such as Nioh or Forza 7 are in my mind not exclusive to PS4 or Xbox One. As Nioh is also available on PC as well as Forza 7. Making it a multiplatform title. Multiplatform = more than 1 platform.

[Vasto]

Thank you Phil.

[Dinkis]

Did he really just say that sh•t.

[Cyborgg]

Yes😁

[Dinkis]

I can't really say I like him anymore. Just a bunch of hot air. Action mofo

[ger2396]

As long as their consloes continue to sell, they have no incentive to invest in new ips. I mean, look at the reception the xbox x received. Universally praised as the most powerful console to date, with no exclusives to distinguish it from its competitors. Why should Microsoft invest billions on new ips when people are content playing multiplatform games on xbox x.

[rlow1]

Lets see, he turned around Xbox brand from a very bad launch........check. Said he was going to bring the pc and console community together..........check. Said he was going to bring cross play to the console ( we all know Sony shot that down)......check. Said he was launching two new console with beefier specks to give consumers a choice (did you forget they also have 4k blueray.....not Sonys machine)........check. So Phil has come through on a lot of big promises and I suspect that he has a lot cooking behind the scene. He now has the head of the companies ear and that's a big deal......time will tell, but so far he has done a phenomenal job. Way to go Phil..........check

[HyperMouse]

They also said they wont talk about games to come too far out anymore after the scalebound fiasco, and for the immediate future we have, sea of thieves, crackdown, state of decay and pubg to look forward to, i do hope they make some announcements but i dont think it will be before E3 2018

[RetroGamR]

Yep.

[Elda]

LOL!

[LoveSpuds]

More utter bullshit from Spencer.

The issue he and his apologists need to address is why development of new titles dried up in the first place. The last 3 years I owned my 360 the exclusives were practically non existent and this carried on into this generation.

Cutting investment in exclusives is not a trend that was started this generation, they have been doing it for 7 years and they have no answer other than "we are starting now", the same lie they have told at various points over the last several years.

[rlow1]

Doesn't matter what happened in the past it's about the future, should we hold Sony to its past? Because trust me they've done plenty of shady things. Unlike you I can admit MS blew it in the past and they've changed a lot since then. But I forgot you want to live in the past and really its the only thing you can hold onto. The changes Phil has made have already happened, so your logic doesn't hold up. Have fun drinking your own brand of kool-aide.

[LoveSpuds]

Sorry pal, you don't know a thing about me or my personal feeling towards any organisation for that matter.

By all means, raise a valid complaint against Sony and I will be happy to discuss it, I am a Sony fan, yes, but I am not so blinkered as to ignore poor choices or decisions they have made.

With regard to the point at hand, we can and should analyse a companies track record, how else are we supposed to judge them. They have made statements to this effect before, not to mention when he lied to me about the Xbox1's power being more than tripled with the implementation of the cloud, he lied to me about a commercial Hololense product, he lied when he told me about all the exclusives that were coming exclusively to Xbox (leading to me purchasing an Xbox) and then changed tack to release on the PC instead (a platform I already owned).

Feel free to refute my points squire, and by all means raise any issues of Sony's business practices you like, but don't just brush me of as some pathetic teenage fanboy. I am a consumer who bought a piece of equipment on the basis of lies, I am entitled to doubt the veracity of the latest statements.

[rlow1]

Calling someone a liar is extreme, especially when he (Phil) has delivered on so much. I agree the game side for 1st party is a little slim, but you all make it sound like nothing has been delivered and that's not true. Then using the word "apologist " lables people in a negative light and how is anyone suppose to take you seriously? The fact that you label Phil a flat out liar, labels you as well. So we just go round and round. As for Sony they've improved alot but that doesn't mean they haven't done some deceiving things in the past. I don't hate Sony at all I've spent a small fortune on them, but that doesn't mean they haven't lied or deceived in the past. I believe by this coming E3, you'll see plenty of 1st party titles for xbox and pc. Your right about studios, but again you make sound like they did away with everything and that's far from the truth. About the last several years, they never came out with a statement saying were coming out with some game and then it turned to vaporware. Yes they canceled some games but that's different. Back several years ago,Don said they were investing in third parties when they started cutting back. I agree, MS thought they could cut back and win. Time will tell if they're serious . But I see Phil as coming through on his promises and he has been righting the ship. You to choose to focus on the negatives, I choose the positves. Peace.

[sk8ofmnd]

Ms: No no were serious this time about having New 1st party games in the pipeline for the xb1 and the future!

Ms fans: Thank you Microsoft you always deliver on the games and thanks for the beast!

Everyone else: 🙄 yeah sure GREAT where have we heard this before? Ohh yeah that's right, for the past 3-4 years. Let's be honest here... since the xb1 launched the exclusive new ip's are recore, sunset overdrive, quantum break and.... hmm I know there's more... uhh 🤔 ori and the blinde forest and cuphead! Ppl are tired of the promises! Actions ms actions! Its laughable the 360 had MANY more exclusives and not only had a 33% failure rate for most of its gen, is still factualy the better gen sales and gamewise.

[maybelovehate]

Correction... Bringing Steam isn't hard, it is just hard for Microsoft to make money in the process.

[Ashlen]

When was the last time you saw a Walmart inside a Target store?

Steam will never be on Xbox it's just dumb to think that would ever happen, Microsoft has it's own store.

Second Steam doesn't own the games it sells, it would have to get permission from every games owner to sell them on Xbox, that's why Phil was talking about licensing. And why would publishers want to pay fees to both Steam and Microsoft per sale when they could list their games separately and only have to pay once per sale?

[maybelovehate]

"Second Steam doesn't own the games it sells, it would have to get permission from every games owner to sell them on Xbox" that is incorrect, it is a store, developers publish the games to the Steam store themselves. They would gladly take the sales they get from Steam. And Valve would gladly take their percentage of the sale. But yes, MS won't allow it because they don't get a cut. Which is fine. Saying it is hard is funny though. It isn't hard from a technical standpoint, it just cannot be monetized by Microsoft.

[rainslacker]

@maybe

Steam is redundant on consoles.

But lets lay out the scenario.

Steam is allowed to sell games on Xbox.

That's great for publishers, I suppose. But what does MS get out of it? More games released? Does MS get a cut of the sale of the game like Steam does....or like MS does on it's own store?

What about those licensing fees for releasing on Xbox. That fee that MS charges publishers for every copy of the game sold. Would releasing the game on Steam circumvent that? Would MS still get the cut? What about those developers that don't want to pay that and just want to keep their stuff on PC?

What about the fact that some licensing with games actually prohibits the release of a game on another console, either indefinately, or for a set period of time....sometimes due to marketing deals, or sometimes due to licensing of secondary media contained within the game itself? Publishers couldn't just circumvent this by releasing the game on Steam, so it suddenly comes to Xbox. Things like Final Fantasy VII for instance. Sony has perpetual console publishing rights to that game. But Square Enix can release it on PC. You see the problem that comes up?

Ultimately, it comes down to MS doesn't need it, and can sell on their own store. Steam isn't going to give their part of the cut to MS just to help them out. They have no real reason to do that since they compete with MS in the gaming market.

MS is trying to make DX12 a bigger thing, and trying to make porting easier, and likely went with more power just to facilitate the porting of these steam releases on their own market, so more devs/pubs would make ports to sell on their own store. But when they do that, they get the license fees, as well as their cut from the store sales.

Now, a more important factor is that PC code is unsigned, and Xbox consoles don't run unsigned code. This is a copy protection system, as well as protects the system from being damaged, or allowing side loading of malicious software or prevent piracy on the system. This means that another build would be needed for the Xbox.

On top of that, there is a lot of compliance required to release a game on consoles. PC games don't actually have this. Just because a game can run on PC, doesn't mean that it would meet all of MS requirements to keep the console secure....and that is more important to MS than getting more games through a market place they don't even control.

[Heavenly King]

steam on xbox wont happen, since that would replace the purpose of the Steambox.

[zerocarnage]

I've got enough this gen to play so exclusives to me isn't really a major issue, I be been saying this for far to long. If work has started then that's great, reality is they won't be ready this gen most won't, depending in how big the studios are that they're either buying or setting up. Everyone knows though that fast tracking games can lead to disaster so ms are damned if they do release early and damned if they don't according to fanboys and ms haters which are never happy.

Even if ms were releasing exclusives the fanboys / haters would only find something else to whinge at especially on this site.

What gets me is all these people moaning either don't have an Xbox, are pro Sony or just hate to hate and if that's the case it shouldn't really concern you at all what ms do. Your that good at judging that I'm sure you can do better, wait you wouldn't be sat where you are casting judgement if that was the case you'd be in this industry developing too making big bucks without making mistakes. Another thing the way people go off as if Sony never makes mistakes, which is awfully wrong, they have made there fair share and will continue to make there fair share but if anyone on here was to start doing to a Sony employee like what they're trying to do to Phil then uproar and crying would occur as well as all the downvoting..

Like I said ms are damned if they do and damned if they don't on this site which is shockingly pathetic.

[LoveSpuds]

Actually, even as someone who doesn't like MS, I still bought an XB1 three years ago. Do you know what convinced me to buy a console I had no previous interest in, Microsoft's promise of a shit load of exclusive games at E3 2015.

No matter how you slice it, exclusives do matter, they matter a great deal and you throwing down this kind of smokescreen of accusations against Sony to deflect any scrutiny of MS's statements makes you appear like the "shockingly pathetic" one.

[chiefJohn117]

Y why would you buy something based off a promis of quantity. It's not
A guarantee you'll like the games. You're full of it

[LoveSpuds]

@chiefJohn117
There is no need to be rude chief, if you want a slanging match I am pretty sure I could hold my own, but what is the point in that?

So, you are asserting that I am 'full of it' because I watched an E3 event where a boat load of titles were promised and as a result, I was influenced into purchasing my XB1.

I would be interested to know what influenced you into buying your console of choice, if you are suggesting that it was a 'dumb move' to base my purchasing decision on the promise of games that were marketed to me during E3, that I found exciting, I would like to know what factors I should consider before deciding to buy a console.

[Max-Zorin]

I hate all people named Phil. How is this guy not fired yet? So many canceled games, and so many closed studios. Don Mattrick was a lesser evil. Don was a bigger douche bag than Loki and Anansi combined, but at least he didn't damn near delay the hell out games and then cancel them, close studios left and right, and constantly kiss Sony's ass like Phil. Philly Eagle Spencer gotta go.

[chiefJohn117]

3 games? You do know Sony has cancelled just as many right? Don was Phil has given the top requested features. Backward compatibility, new ui, more power, etc. Him staying in touch with the community really eat you up lol. Letting ppl know work on new titles have started makes you mad?. I love Phil keep up work

[Wotbot]

They now have the hardware to lead, time for the exclusive software.

[Cuzzo63]

Didn't they say this 2 Gens ago. Lmao

[HyperMouse]

Shame about the steam thing, unless they have a game or two up their sleeve that wont be 3+ years away this would have been a good way to give xbox players some games that might not be on PS4 and fill the no games hole they are in.

[BadElf]

Work on new Xbox One first party games has started. Like....JUST NOW? Or are they just letting us know it "has started" already?

[nyobzoo]

so Xbox Two exclusives coming

[Maddens Raiders]

After all these years.... some things will never change. Make of that what you will.

[LandoCalrissiano]

Because quantum break, cuphead, sunset, recore, and super luckys tale is "lacking". And those are just the new ips since last year. Not to mention the stapled forza, halo and gears (of which gears and halo are major esports). Then there's the ones coming next year like state of decay, crackdown and sea of thieves. But yeah, lacking. It's not lacking, people are just picky and if it's not exactly like horizon then it's not worth their time. That said, it's exciting that they will be spending time on making new stuff, even if it won't be out for 3 years.

[ShadowWolf712]

Oh boy. Halo 6 and Forza Horizon 4.

[RetroGamR]

Don't you want to see a new uncharted ? Horizon? Any Japanese game sequel ?

[BassMan125]

Coming only from Phil's tweet, I'd say take it with a grain of salt. Here's one, a tweet from Phil about JRPG on Xbox from 2014. And up until today, we only see only a one or two JRPG on X (That is if you count FFXV as one) https://twitter.com/xboxp3/...

[corroios]

After so many years, so many lies, why even waste more time.

[ILostMyMind]

You are a poet. 🤗

[CKPan]

HaHaHa...Like the cloud power...HaHaHa

[PCgamer98]

This gen is probably going to end in 2 or 3 years tops, might as well just focus on next gen and come out strong in the first year.

[ClanPsi1]

Too bad they'll all get cancelled in 2-3 years.

[Mithan]

Make X1X stream steam, and I will buy it tomorrow.

[welly300]

Wow so no new games for what 2years? Wow way to sell your new system.

[RetroGamR]

Greatness Awaits..

[InTheZoneAC]

so the first of this was crackdown, is the next game crackdown?

[pyroxxx]

5 years after you release the system? wow.

[Mister_G]

Finally! I don't own a MS console but I welcome the competition this could bring :)

[FreddyFazbear]

Look at all the MS Fans still defending MS like they cant do wrong. You guys deserve each other. I wont be surprised if there is a cult of xbox worshippers.

[BenRC01]

All indies 100%

[Discobastrd]

If they're clever, they will already have laid out the plans for next hardware update to coincide with their games and the next PlayStation. I expect the XoX is result of the work towards this new machine and a stop gap to salvage what's left of the brand they destroyed. Bringing back confidence will make it easier to sell the next machine and theyll have less to prove to the market. It's an uphill climb I hope they manage to conquer because it's good for the industry. This is the first gen I've not had and Xbox and there's nothing new for me with then new machine. I hope it's the last time I have to skip. Right now my OG PS4 and Switch is all I need. Another aspect they need to consider is that 4k will be well and truly on the way next hardware iteration and many will upgrade both TV and console. There will be less room and money to fight for perhaps.

Can't wait to see how it all pans out

[Many-hat5]

MS will never integrate steam into Xbox, imo. Doesn't make business sense to have your own online store, but let consumers buy through another similar service. I use Steam myself for PC, because I have to, not because I particularly want to, but MS don't have to and won't.

[gazgriff2k12]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA