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The PS4’s Lack of Game Preview Is Why We Are Skipping It, Says Deep Rock Galactic Developer

There are many games that skip out on a release on the PS4 and go with an exclusive release on the Xbox One instead. These are all smaller games- titles for which extra sales that the PS4's larger install base might afford would be helpful. And yet, there are many that only release on Xbox One anyway.

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masterfox2794d ago

"The lack of a program like Game Preview made it quite difficult for us to find a viable way to do this before full release”
^^^^^Wow so they are upset they can't released an incomplete game on the PS4 ?,and they nicely called this a preview games program ?, wow just wow, if this case they can stay miles away from the PS4 then, I think the least we need is that our PS4 gaming library is full of incomplete games.

Destiny10802794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

steam got 5000 new games last year thanks to this garbage

in saying that I'm really not against it as long as its clearly marked and in a dedicated area, but it looks like sony don't want to deal with this headache

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Kingthrash3602794d ago

Is gaming dying? Because stuff is getting more and more dumb by the day.
Take your game and bring it else where. Why are you complaining? You must can't finish the game and want gamers to pay for it while incomplete and the deliver a game that is a shell of the promise.
Go elsewhere, bring the game back when it's complete. Or cancel your game if you can't afford it

morganfell2794d ago

"There are many games that skip out on a release on the PS4 and go with an exclusive release on the Xbox One instead"

Stopped reading the propaganda right there.

Eonjay2794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

Couldn't they just do a demo like dozens of other devs? They are citing a nonexistent problem. Other devs do a beta, but these guys just can't figure it out if its not called Game Preview?

chuckyj12794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

Why is it a headache? MS put it in its own little clearly marked section warning gamers the game isn't a full product and a work in progress... doesn't seem difficult to implement or a headache... It helps gamers shape the game... it's not terrible feature to have... But I don't think it should be required either...

FinalFantasyFanatic2794d ago

If it's one thing I dislike about Steam, it's sifting through all that garbage, I doubt Microsoft is really picking up alot of those "exclusive" titles and if they did, how may are excited to pay for it? Not everyone can be a PUBG, that was just an outlier in sea of half-assed or incomplete titles.

subtenko2793d ago

its more straightforward with playstation, however I do think sony can help to introduce new ideas in a clear and concise update to all of the players know whats up and theres no excuses to be made.

Besides, theres tons of games on ps4 that are complete so aint really missing out on much and we're always getting premium and quality options when it comes to the playstation platform...then of course theres some of the f2p and 'tiny/mobile' game crap that is on there, but at the same time theres lots of QUALITY F2P games there as well. With that said...some of these 'incomplete' games seem more appealing that the crap small indie titles that are really just mobile games. Example: the frozen match em up game.

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agent45322793d ago

Agreed and out of those games that were Early Access only like 5 or less went into full release.

Michiel19892793d ago

Consoles are more about the plug and play out of the box experience without much tinkering with setting or installing. I think Sony doesn't want psn to become clusterfucked with (buggy) early acces games like steam.

Early acces games do have a benefit which is another story, but it doesnt really fit the console market.

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Death2794d ago

The Early Access and Game Preview are ways gamers can try a game for FREE before buying. After the free trial gamers can commit and start playing unfinished games or they can wait for the games full release before buying. This gives smaller devs the ability to generate income during the development process and also gives them valuable feedback on a games progress. These programs are both developer friendly and pro-gamer since gamers can try before buying. I'm not sure why any gamer would be against this.

TFJWM2794d ago

Very few Early Access games have free trials or demos, you have to buy it before you can play them...You are pretty much paying to beta test a game which is in no way gamer friendly.

yomfweeee2794d ago

Early access isn't exactly free. You pay to alpha/beta test.

stuna12794d ago

Have you heard the cover of a book is not necessarily representative of it's actual content.

Death2794d ago

Looking on the Xbox Store, Early Preview games like The Culling say "Buy Now" or "Try for Free". I'm not sure where you guys are getting your information.

Teflon022794d ago

Early Access is on PS4 as it is other places and it's almost never free.
What this guy must be talking about is something that's completely in a messy state.

rainslacker2794d ago

It's basically just a kickstarter with a product available when you pay, instead of waiting it out for the dev to release a product.

Nothing wrong with kickstarter, or even early access, but I don't think most people care if this dev wants to skip the PS4 because they can't capitalize on the user base before completing their game.

It's their prerogative of course, but the dev could have left out the hyperbole about how PS4 users are losing out on so much because Sony doesn't support early access.

Aceman182794d ago

F that I'm not paying for service just to play some incomplete game lol.

These devs are out their damn minds if they thinking I'm ok with that sh*t lol.

zb1ftw7772793d ago

Because you have it wrong.

You have to pay to play them.

agent45322793d ago

Become game developers don't listen what gamers have to say. Two, the game remains incomplete forever to the point it gets canned, forgotten, etc.. Three, unable to pay what you want, pay $15-$30 for an unfinished game is ridicolous; itchio lets gamers pay as much as they want on early access games the way it should be. That way if you spend $5.00 and the game never gets completed then the gamer only loses $5.00 😋. Finally, it would be nice if game developers go silent on early access proyect for more than two months

KillBill2793d ago

Yes, most early access has a price associated and yes that price is usually much less than the price when released.

Some can look at it being a very early pre-order at a greatly reduced price. Ark as the best example of a preview game that did very well and offered a great fun game.

As it is we have AAA games like BF1 that are a full release that is going through constant updates and might as well be a preview game with the way they alienated players with all their changes.

PUBG has done wonders on STEAM and likely to do similar on XB1. If you don't like it then don't buy it, simple. Rather have the option than not.

KillBill2793d ago

Updated edited reply: (never pause to eat when making an edit... ha)

Yes, most early access has a price associated and yes that price is usually much less than the price when released.

Some can look at it being a very early pre-order at a greatly reduced price. Ark as the best example of a preview game that did very well and offered a great fun game.

As it is we have AAA games like BF1 that are a full release that is going through constant updates and might as well be a preview game with the way they alienated players with all their changes.

PUBG has done wonders on STEAM and likely to do similar on XB1. If you don't like it then don't buy it, simple. Rather have the option than not.

And early access allows for buyers to have more direct input into games progress with built-in feedback hubs on games.

XBox One Insider program also allows early access to select games in work on a purely FREE basis.

Also note, the Xbox Game Preview program differs from other approaches as the early access titles include a free game demo at the current state of development to give players a chance to test the game before buying.

And the best thing about early access is that it allows multiplayer games to earn a following before full release. More often than not increasing the user base over-all and allowing a new Dev team a better chance at success in the said multiplayer realm.

OC_MurphysLaw2793d ago

those not understanding Early Access or game preview on Xbox..... the Xbox program requires developers to offer a free trial unlike Steam.

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Kosic2794d ago

Worst thing is they can then get the funds from green light sales and run off without delivering a finished product.

KillBill2793d ago

A bit more control over that from MS side with their contracts and pre-review of Devs prior to allowing into the system. Not everyone gets automatic allowance into the program.

And for sure it is a lot different than say a funding program. An actual playable game has to be present before even being looked at.

Paytaa2793d ago

Sounds like most AAA games nowadays

KwietStorm_BLM2794d ago

More apologists running to the rescue of the holy PlayStation. Wow just wow. Let's completely ignore the features PS4 doesn't have that could bolster the UX of the platform. Doesn't matter because we got all the exclusivez

Early Access itself doesn't open the floodgates with garbage games. It just allows for people to try the games that do become available early. It's another **option** that would be great to see on PS4, just like a Pro controller, just like EA Access, just like selective asset downloads, and just like cross play. But PlayStation says all these things are bad, so the hive agrees. It's funny they said they made the Pro to entice PC players, yet the PS4 seems more of a closed platform every day. The exact opposite of what a PC gamer would want.

rainslacker2794d ago

Out of all the early access games available on steam, what is the percentage of ones available, versus the ones that finished development after being successful in early access?

I'd really like some solid numbers on this, because from what I've seen based on cursory observation, I see more people complaining about these devs who never finish their games. They either are in a constant state of development, or they close up shop to never be heard from again. I'd like to know the real statistics on how many games actually get delivered in a final form, where they can be sold as a final product.

Without said statistics, it's hard to determine if it's a good or bad thing, but I can certainly see why Sony wouldn't want to be annoyed by unhappy customers who get tired of investing in games that never get finished. Kickstarter, and several early access games I can think of have all gotten criticism for never coming to fruition.

So....what are the statistics to say that early access is a good thing.

What I can tell is that most PS4 gamers don't seem to care, and what is obvious is you assume that not caring is somehow being a corporate apologist.

rainslacker2794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

Guess game preview sounds better than "pay us before we finish development"(AKA early access).

To me, a preview is something more like a demo, where they release part of the game as a way to get people hyped up. If you have to pay for it, it's a product.

When the game is done, maybe they'll consider the PS4. If it's good, PS4 gamers may consider buying it. It's their decision, and their reasoning is their own, so more power to them. But don't expect PS4 gamers to lament over the loss of some early access games, when very few of them actually amount to much, and most never exit the early access phase.

FinalFantasyFanatic2794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

There are a few early access games I'm interested in, but I'm not plonking down my money until it's finished, hence I've never actually paid for an early access title. At this point, it sounds like PUBG will be one of the few games like that that will end up on the Playstation.

rainslacker2793d ago

I have nothing against the premise, but it seems many never get finished, or end up being this constant GaaS. It's basically a episodic type premise, except instead of game play being complete with individual levels being released, it's released ad hoc as the developers get around to things.

It's fine if people want to partake, and fine if developers want to go this route, but the dev shouldn't be soapboxing about it like he was here IMO.

chuckyj12794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

It's a good way developers can get fluid feedback by gamers so the finished product is a much better game than it would have been... nothing wrong with a game preview program... Just because Sony doesn't have it doesn't mean it's bad. I am not saying it's a good reason to skip a release on a different console though...

NarooN2793d ago

Early Access on Steam is pretty much straight up AIDS. The amount of absolute trash on Steam is mind-bending and PS4 owners should be glad they don't have to sift thru such trash when they wanna browse a storefront.

spreadlove2793d ago

The incomplete PUBG is very popular. In fact, it is the most popular game on Steam breaking all records. Coming to Xbox due to Early Access! 🤤

Early Access is a way for gamers to influence how the game is developed, but yeah keep staying ignorant.

masterfox2793d ago

before going crazy for just one game like that unfinished game like PUBG, ask yourself a question, what's the percentage of success of those kind of incomplete games?, yeah I know right that percentage is pretty sad, is not about ignorance is about common sense!.

spreadlove2793d ago

fox,

Ask yourself this, can you ignore games you do not like?

I thought more games is always better, and part of why people hail exclusives as the second coming of Christ. Maybe it only applies when fanboying?

C-H-E-F2793d ago

lmao, preview? why not put the game up as a beta isn't the same? alpha? demo? shhhh NBA Live put up a whole game demo and then scraped the game entirely lOl... Ohhhhh they want to charge us to play an alpha game, so how is that previewing anything? lOl Their games are trash anyways, so we aren't missing anything.

gamer78042793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

I don't think your last sentence means what you think it meant. The "least we need" implies that you need at the very "least" more games in preview mode for the system, which is the opposite I believe of the point you are trying to make.

regardless I don't mind there being demos or games in preview as long as it's detailed or organized in a way so its not confused with regular games.

NeoGamer2322793d ago

That is like me telling you that mega stores like Walmart shouldn't sell bath towels....

Why?

Because there is so much other good stuff in electronics and I don't need that crap.

Game preview is totally optional, and just like walking through a mega store like Walmart, no one is making you buy the stuff you aren't interested in.

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DeadSilence2794d ago

Good no need for unfinished garbage on Ps4 anyway, alot of garbage on the Store already.

Plus Fortnite Paragon and much more are on early acess on Ps4 but ok.

LordJamar2794d ago

Good lord paragon is still EA? Jesus Christ

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Magic_Spatula2793d ago

But aren't all of the Early Access/Beta games on PS4 free to play anyway?

agent45322793d ago

Wait Fortnite still in early access ????

NatFanBoyRestricted2793d ago

So you're saying there isn't alot of unfinished games in the store, but theres garbage there already?

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Silly gameAr2794d ago

Mad that some people don't want to pay for incomplete games? Oh well, I'm sure you'll find plenty of suckers to support that stuff. Good luck.

Liqu1d2793d ago

They shouldn't be selling unfinished games in the first place. QA testers get payed to test unfinished games but consumers pay to test unfinished games.

ShadowWolf7122793d ago

lmao no they don't

you gotta pay. Usually around $20-$30.

Codedan2793d ago

They all usually have like a 1 hour trial on Xbox. People clearly don’t understand that here. If you don’t like Early Access games then don’t buy them it’s plain and simple. The more options a consumer has the better.

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Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 devs praise games like Space Marine 2 for "lowering the barrier"

Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 developers discuss the huge success of Space Marine 2 and its effect on the series as a whole.

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Jingsing2d ago

How about an official level editor for Boltgun?

jznrpg4h ago

I’ll get Space Marine 2 when it’s cheaper. I don’t pay more than half price for short games.

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Glen Schofield: Dead Space Wouldn’t Be Greenlit Today—Publishers Are Afraid to Take Risks

Sector sat down with Glen Schofield—creator of Dead Space and The Callisto Protocol—during the Game Developers Session (GDS) in Prague to discuss the evolution of the game industry, the current challenges of AAA development, and why it's become so hard to get original ideas off the ground in today’s risk-averse environment.

1nsomniac3d ago

It’s easy enough to say that, but why? It feels weird to me when developers say this but common sense would tell you everything about the idea itself should work.

The idea of the concept seems like a winner at whichever angle you look at it so why would publishers not greenlight it?

… it’s almost as if the majority of publishers are massively incompetent at their jobs. But there’s no surprise to anyone there.

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WILD HEARTS S Q&A - 'Switch 2 Is Closer to the Series S Than PS4'

Wccftech interviewed Koei Tecmo about their upcoming game WILD HEARTS S, gathering their first thoughts on the Nintendo Switch 2 console.

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Christopher5d ago

This new tech, in 2025, is more comparable to 2020 tech than 2013 tech.

*tip toes over that bar*

Also, why are all the comparisons to PS4 and not Xbox One?

Neonridr5d ago

PS4 is more powerful than the XB1, S2 is more powerful than both, so why not use the higher of the two?

Christopher5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Probably because people who owned an XBO and not a PS4 don't really know what it means. The assumption is that everyone is as knowledgeable as journalists or gaming news junkies. Gaming is mainstream, that means that mass majority of people don't know these specifics, only online talking points.

And the PS4 and XBO are the closest in power systems we've ever had, so this 'more powerful' is so small, it really isn't the big talking point people think it is.

RaidenBlack3d ago

I'd rather add, Xbox One X can be used as a good metric to gauge if a said system is more powerful than last gen.

VariantAEC3d ago

It's pretty clear that Switch 2 isn't more powerful than PS4 Pro. Is the base model PS4 being beaten? Well, Switch 2 is hardly ever actually being compared to the base model PS4, but seeing as how it's yet to outperform PS4 Pro in basically any other way than loading data into RAM in video comparisons. I have to assume the individual developer being interviewed has very little experience with PS4 and Xbox One.

OtterX4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Which is great for a handheld/hybrid! Some people still stick to Digital Foundry's PS4 comparison comment as gospel, back when they were just watching trailers and hadn't even had their hands on it yet.

With that said, this interview doesn't go into very much depth on this. I'd like to see more analysis, but so far I'm really impressed with the performance since I got mine on Friday. Truth be told, having a PS4 Pro level handheld is enough for me. Anything beyond is icing. I'm not looking to replace my PS5 or PC.

VariantAEC3d ago

In this case Digital Foundry is right. They didn't adequately explain or sound remotely confident when showing Switch 2's "visual" benefits in that HogLeg comparison was related to loading. Yes, sometimes two massive world segments can be connected by a smaller individual loading zone like how Jak 2 handled open world zones on PS2. There is a small room that in itself is it's own discrete loading zone that you wait inside as the next massive portion of the map loads in. Very common when going from Haven City to any part outside of the city owlr when descending into the sewers or entering the city from the outside or leaving the sewers. Anyway, the HogLeg skybridge loading zone is more detailed because Switch 2 could load in more varied textures. Models load pretty fast. It's probable that the decimated models that appear in the Switch 2 version were supposed to be visible on Xbox One and PS4 in that scene, which might be why they exist on Switch 2. Unfortunately, the same video showcased above shows PS4 Pro is basically ahead of Switch 2 in all other ways imaginable. Higher rendering resolutions with a sharper cleaner image, better effects quality, and a better distance all favor PS4 Pro. Both the Pro and Switch 2 seem to have a pretty solid 30FPS performance level.

MDTunkown4d ago

For how thin switch 2 is it’s impressive especially when it’s stronger than steam deck and cost less

Christopher4d ago

Steam Deck is cheaper at $399. Switch 2 also uses cheaper materials. See joycon drift still being an issue. You'll also save a ton more money on software alone with the Steam Deck.

Honestly, if the Steam Deck was released today, it likely would at least match the Switch 2 in areas where it outperforms the Steam Deck but still have more advantages. Main thing holding back the Deck is the cores and resolution, because it still has the better CPU and GPU otherwise.

Neonridr3d ago

@Christopher - I own one, no stick drift. My OG joycons never had drift either.

Steam Deck relies on FSR which is still inferior to DLSS. Not to mention that the S2 can push double the GPU performance in docked mode. Deck has more memory, which is nice.

I have both, but my S2 will be getting the lion-share of playtime in the near future. That being said, I can still appreciate being able to play my steam games on the go.

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

For me, the game sales/prices and flexibility of the Steam deck outweigh the cost of the system itself, but I'll probably get a Switch 2 anyway.

OMNlPOTENT4d ago

And the ps5 was comparable to a PC that could be built over 5 years before it came out lol, how do you think consoles stay affordable?

Christopher4d ago

You're actually proving my point even more.

badz1493d ago

@omnipotent

PS5 comparable to a PC built OVER 5 years before it came out? let's see...

the best mainstream PC combo back in 2015/2016 would be the i7 6700K ($350) + GTX 1080 ($600). Sorry, but that setup is never going to outperform the base PS5 in games, especially modern ones.

you done lying yet or still want to continue lying so your precious Switch 2 doesn't get hurt by facts anymore?

CosmicTurtle3d ago

It’s a tech article speaking about specs people who care about this will know. I did not own an XB1 but know it’s at a similar tech level as PS4. PS4 has a far greater sales footprint, it makes sense to use it.

ABizzel13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Technologically it’s closer to the Series S….. Raster-wise it’s closer to a base PS4 which has been the point.

Why Switch 2 is better:
The much better CPU allows for higher FPS than the last gen Jaguar CPUs could ever produce.
The 12GB of RAM prevents the system from being bottlenecked in most modern games (even SS fails here)
The storage while not NVMe Gen4 speeds, is significantly faster than the HDD in last gen
It’s a RTX 3000 hybrid, and DLSS is a better upscaling solutions than all other consoles even PSSR currently, and significantly better than checkerboard rending.

This is where the PS4 & PS4 Pro comparisons come into play. Natively it can’t compete with the PS4 Pro, and really closer to the base PS4, but due to the better CPU, more RAM, faster storage, and DLSS it can upscale resolution, image quality, and performance to get close, match, or certain cases exceed the PS4 Pro, and rivals the Series S.

DLSS is really the saving force behind Switch 2 getting current gen ports to acceptable resolution quality, and NVIDIA and Nintendo did it at 10w, so kudos to them, because many of the AAA 3rd party games are and will continue to be native 540p - 720p upscaled through DLSS.

Also this game would benefit from DLSS.

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Sonyslave34d ago

I notice it always ps4 or ps4 pro but never xbox one x which is more powetful then the ps4 pro.

MDTunkown4d ago

And it’s also in someways stronger than series S. Xbox one x is a special console that was never fully utilised and has 1,5 times more teraflops than series s.

badz1493d ago (Edited 3d ago )

but the Bulldozer CPU is much weaker and inefficient compared to Zen2 used in the Series S

Neonridr3d ago

the CPU's were those crappy Jaguar based chipsets though.

jznrpg3d ago

Because most people don’t care about Xbox

repsahj4d ago

This is an ugly port, they should improve it more instead of releasing it early.

gold_drake3d ago

sooo ...

what this is telling us, is that it comes down to the game and the devs optimization.

VariantAEC3d ago

There are already several games on Switch 2 coming up short in side-by-side comparisons. Cyberpunk 2077, Fortnite, and HogLeg are just the first examples with the first game in this list only having better image quality due to DLSS and slightly more stable performance due to that lower resolution than last gen systems enabled by DLSS, but having simplified models at mid distances and fewer NPCs roaming around than on PS4 or Xbox One.