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Genesis Alpha One Dev On Whether Xbox One X’s CPU Will Be A Bottleneck, Talks About 12GB RAM

The Xbox One X is an amazingly made bit of hardware, one that has been beefed up in just about all regards to be a conclusive step up over the existing Xbox One... except for the CPU, which remains a bit disappointing in terms of how little attention it got relative to the memory and GPU.

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XiNatsuDragnel2853d ago

CPU the X is a bottleneck is not surprising, again Xbox 1 X is a nice machine.

Obscure_Observer2853d ago

CPU on consoles will only be a bottleneck for games running on old/outdated engines which heavily relies on cpu-bound tasks, like Destiny 2.

Ashlen2853d ago

By "like Destiny" you mean any open world or large scale multiplayer game, right?

Princess_Pilfer2853d ago

That is simply not true. The CPU still has to process draw calls for the GPU. The CPU still has to process portions of or the entirety of the physics (depending on what they are doing and GPU load.) The CPU still has to keep track of all the objects and collision detection. Modern games on modern engines (Like, say Watchdogs 2) are heavily CPU bound.

EddieT2852d ago (Edited 2852d ago )

Please explain why Anthem is 30fps then.

Bigpappy2852d ago

Anthem is 30fps because it will focus on graphics, including effects, over 60fps. Developer's decision. With be the same on most 4K PC's. Please keep in mind the X1X only cost $500 and not $1600.

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Bigpappy2852d ago

Actually he never said that. He pretty much insinuated that it possibly could be, as he has never uses the X. The also said he is targeting 60fps with his game on the X and pro, but the X's VRAM will allow for better textures and more variety of those textures.
But again he has not worked with the X yet, so he doesn't and can not know how much of a bottle neck the CPU is. It is a premature question.

jhoward5852853d ago

The xb1x CPU is not a bottleneck. That is what the PIX tool is used for.....

butchertroll2852d ago

So, it's not bottleneck in Pro too.

Jaguar is crap CPU in every single way. Period

SierraGuy2852d ago

Yes thank you ...ps5 will have a monster cpu.

Mulando2852d ago

no, jaguar is very efficient for it's power target. bigger cpu would mean, higher price for the apu, higher power-consumption (for the cpu-part) bigger cooling solution, bigger form-factor.
The xbox one x is right now the maximum you could squeeze into the $500 price (including taxes, controller, ....)

btw, the switch-cpu is really crap ... so cpu seems not to be that relevant anymore as more and more is outsourced to the GPU.

KingKionic 2853d ago

Lol gamingbolt with these indie devs.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

After watching there gameplay the last thing they need to be asked is about any bottlenecks.

Look at that dudes face at 0:54. Thats disgusting.

Bigpappy2852d ago

I listen to developers, no matter how small. But he hasn't work with the X yet, so he is generalizing and really can not know much about the console just yet. He still has positive goals for it even though he seems to desire parity with the pro.

bumbleforce2853d ago

Well all the shown games so far tell a diffrent story. X1x performs better all around

LP-Eleven2853d ago

As it should, but there can still be bottlenecks, despite the up-ticked performance.

xsta1ker2852d ago

everyting hits bottlenecks @ some point all depends on demand of the game and optimization
but for sure x1x will out perform any other console on the market com November 7th fact.

butchertroll2852d ago (Edited 2852d ago )

Xbonex performes better especially in graphics department, not in framerate. If some game is 30fps on Pro with dips here and there, on XBonex will be a stable 30 fps, not 60. That's a huge jump, but for that you need much stronger CPU, not some upclocked Jaguar crap

SierraGuy2852d ago

This thing is marginally stronger than a pro....junk cpu. If u ask me cpu is more important than gpu this hardware gen.

xsta1ker2852d ago

ark survival evolved is 60fps @ 1080p on x1x with ultra pc settings...proless runs @ 30fps @ medium settings thats a pretty big deference wouldn't you agree.

butchertroll2852d ago (Edited 2852d ago )

@x1staker

Ark? Really? Game is pure tech crap with bugs on all platforms. Why isn't there such a jump in fps in every game on XboneX compared to Pro.

Btw. If you didn't know. Ark devs removed 60 fps from Pro.

LP-Eleven2852d ago

@ Xsta1ker: I don't have to be reminded of the X1X's advantages over other consoles. The discussion is regarding bottlenecks. There will be plenty of them, just as there are in any other device that runs these things. That's the point. Doesn't matter how much "better" the X1X will be.

xsta1ker2852d ago

@ LP-Eleven I'm sorry but i thought this article was regarding the x1x cpu and it's bottlenecks
i simply stated a fact about the x1x cpu inline with such article was not speaking to you specifically.

letsa_go2852d ago

Yeah LP-Eleven, he simply stated! That's all! hahaha It's simple.

butchertroll2852d ago (Edited 2852d ago )

Ark dev removed 60 fps option from Pro. Why? I dunno!

https://mspoweruser.com/xbo...

As i said :

Xbonex performes better especially in graphics department, not in framerate

@xsta1ker

ARK is a such a mess on all platforms.

leeeroythe3rd2853d ago

Far less bottlenecked than ps4 or ps4 pro... every design has a weaker point

EddieT2852d ago

Actually no, the disparity between the CPU and the GPU in the Pro is not as wide as the one in Scorpio.

LP-Eleven2852d ago

Not sure why you're getting disagrees for that. It is factual. If anything, it is BECAUSE of the X1X's additional GPU power that we see this disparity.

xsta1ker2852d ago

@butchertroll but it's more of a mess on the pro right.

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Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 devs praise games like Space Marine 2 for "lowering the barrier"

Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 developers discuss the huge success of Space Marine 2 and its effect on the series as a whole.

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Jingsing4d ago

How about an official level editor for Boltgun?

jznrpg1d 22h ago

I’ll get Space Marine 2 when it’s cheaper. I don’t pay more than half price for short games.

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Glen Schofield: Dead Space Wouldn’t Be Greenlit Today—Publishers Are Afraid to Take Risks

Sector sat down with Glen Schofield—creator of Dead Space and The Callisto Protocol—during the Game Developers Session (GDS) in Prague to discuss the evolution of the game industry, the current challenges of AAA development, and why it's become so hard to get original ideas off the ground in today’s risk-averse environment.

1nsomniac5d ago

It’s easy enough to say that, but why? It feels weird to me when developers say this but common sense would tell you everything about the idea itself should work.

The idea of the concept seems like a winner at whichever angle you look at it so why would publishers not greenlight it?

… it’s almost as if the majority of publishers are massively incompetent at their jobs. But there’s no surprise to anyone there.

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WILD HEARTS S Q&A - 'Switch 2 Is Closer to the Series S Than PS4'

Wccftech interviewed Koei Tecmo about their upcoming game WILD HEARTS S, gathering their first thoughts on the Nintendo Switch 2 console.

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Christopher7d ago

This new tech, in 2025, is more comparable to 2020 tech than 2013 tech.

*tip toes over that bar*

Also, why are all the comparisons to PS4 and not Xbox One?

Neonridr7d ago

PS4 is more powerful than the XB1, S2 is more powerful than both, so why not use the higher of the two?

Christopher7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Probably because people who owned an XBO and not a PS4 don't really know what it means. The assumption is that everyone is as knowledgeable as journalists or gaming news junkies. Gaming is mainstream, that means that mass majority of people don't know these specifics, only online talking points.

And the PS4 and XBO are the closest in power systems we've ever had, so this 'more powerful' is so small, it really isn't the big talking point people think it is.

RaidenBlack5d ago

I'd rather add, Xbox One X can be used as a good metric to gauge if a said system is more powerful than last gen.

VariantAEC4d ago

It's pretty clear that Switch 2 isn't more powerful than PS4 Pro. Is the base model PS4 being beaten? Well, Switch 2 is hardly ever actually being compared to the base model PS4, but seeing as how it's yet to outperform PS4 Pro in basically any other way than loading data into RAM in video comparisons. I have to assume the individual developer being interviewed has very little experience with PS4 and Xbox One.

OtterX6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Which is great for a handheld/hybrid! Some people still stick to Digital Foundry's PS4 comparison comment as gospel, back when they were just watching trailers and hadn't even had their hands on it yet.

With that said, this interview doesn't go into very much depth on this. I'd like to see more analysis, but so far I'm really impressed with the performance since I got mine on Friday. Truth be told, having a PS4 Pro level handheld is enough for me. Anything beyond is icing. I'm not looking to replace my PS5 or PC.

VariantAEC4d ago

In this case Digital Foundry is right. They didn't adequately explain or sound remotely confident when showing Switch 2's "visual" benefits in that HogLeg comparison was related to loading. Yes, sometimes two massive world segments can be connected by a smaller individual loading zone like how Jak 2 handled open world zones on PS2. There is a small room that in itself is it's own discrete loading zone that you wait inside as the next massive portion of the map loads in. Very common when going from Haven City to any part outside of the city owlr when descending into the sewers or entering the city from the outside or leaving the sewers. Anyway, the HogLeg skybridge loading zone is more detailed because Switch 2 could load in more varied textures. Models load pretty fast. It's probable that the decimated models that appear in the Switch 2 version were supposed to be visible on Xbox One and PS4 in that scene, which might be why they exist on Switch 2. Unfortunately, the same video showcased above shows PS4 Pro is basically ahead of Switch 2 in all other ways imaginable. Higher rendering resolutions with a sharper cleaner image, better effects quality, and a better distance all favor PS4 Pro. Both the Pro and Switch 2 seem to have a pretty solid 30FPS performance level.

MDTunkown6d ago

For how thin switch 2 is it’s impressive especially when it’s stronger than steam deck and cost less

Christopher6d ago

Steam Deck is cheaper at $399. Switch 2 also uses cheaper materials. See joycon drift still being an issue. You'll also save a ton more money on software alone with the Steam Deck.

Honestly, if the Steam Deck was released today, it likely would at least match the Switch 2 in areas where it outperforms the Steam Deck but still have more advantages. Main thing holding back the Deck is the cores and resolution, because it still has the better CPU and GPU otherwise.

Neonridr5d ago

@Christopher - I own one, no stick drift. My OG joycons never had drift either.

Steam Deck relies on FSR which is still inferior to DLSS. Not to mention that the S2 can push double the GPU performance in docked mode. Deck has more memory, which is nice.

I have both, but my S2 will be getting the lion-share of playtime in the near future. That being said, I can still appreciate being able to play my steam games on the go.

FinalFantasyFanatic5d ago

For me, the game sales/prices and flexibility of the Steam deck outweigh the cost of the system itself, but I'll probably get a Switch 2 anyway.

OMNlPOTENT6d ago

And the ps5 was comparable to a PC that could be built over 5 years before it came out lol, how do you think consoles stay affordable?

Christopher6d ago

You're actually proving my point even more.

badz1495d ago

@omnipotent

PS5 comparable to a PC built OVER 5 years before it came out? let's see...

the best mainstream PC combo back in 2015/2016 would be the i7 6700K ($350) + GTX 1080 ($600). Sorry, but that setup is never going to outperform the base PS5 in games, especially modern ones.

you done lying yet or still want to continue lying so your precious Switch 2 doesn't get hurt by facts anymore?

CosmicTurtle5d ago

It’s a tech article speaking about specs people who care about this will know. I did not own an XB1 but know it’s at a similar tech level as PS4. PS4 has a far greater sales footprint, it makes sense to use it.

ABizzel15d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Technologically it’s closer to the Series S….. Raster-wise it’s closer to a base PS4 which has been the point.

Why Switch 2 is better:
The much better CPU allows for higher FPS than the last gen Jaguar CPUs could ever produce.
The 12GB of RAM prevents the system from being bottlenecked in most modern games (even SS fails here)
The storage while not NVMe Gen4 speeds, is significantly faster than the HDD in last gen
It’s a RTX 3000 hybrid, and DLSS is a better upscaling solutions than all other consoles even PSSR currently, and significantly better than checkerboard rending.

This is where the PS4 & PS4 Pro comparisons come into play. Natively it can’t compete with the PS4 Pro, and really closer to the base PS4, but due to the better CPU, more RAM, faster storage, and DLSS it can upscale resolution, image quality, and performance to get close, match, or certain cases exceed the PS4 Pro, and rivals the Series S.

DLSS is really the saving force behind Switch 2 getting current gen ports to acceptable resolution quality, and NVIDIA and Nintendo did it at 10w, so kudos to them, because many of the AAA 3rd party games are and will continue to be native 540p - 720p upscaled through DLSS.

Also this game would benefit from DLSS.

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Sonyslave36d ago

I notice it always ps4 or ps4 pro but never xbox one x which is more powetful then the ps4 pro.

MDTunkown6d ago

And it’s also in someways stronger than series S. Xbox one x is a special console that was never fully utilised and has 1,5 times more teraflops than series s.

badz1495d ago (Edited 5d ago )

but the Bulldozer CPU is much weaker and inefficient compared to Zen2 used in the Series S

Neonridr5d ago

the CPU's were those crappy Jaguar based chipsets though.

jznrpg5d ago

Because most people don’t care about Xbox

repsahj5d ago

This is an ugly port, they should improve it more instead of releasing it early.

gold_drake5d ago

sooo ...

what this is telling us, is that it comes down to the game and the devs optimization.

VariantAEC4d ago

There are already several games on Switch 2 coming up short in side-by-side comparisons. Cyberpunk 2077, Fortnite, and HogLeg are just the first examples with the first game in this list only having better image quality due to DLSS and slightly more stable performance due to that lower resolution than last gen systems enabled by DLSS, but having simplified models at mid distances and fewer NPCs roaming around than on PS4 or Xbox One.