PS4 Dev Guerrilla Games 'Heavily Investing' in Decima Engine

The Decima Engine is a very powerful piece of technology and it created Horizon Zero Dawn. Even with its early success, PS4 developer Guerrilla Games wants to advance it even further.

[masterfox]

Awesome to know!, Horizon looks gorgeous and the new Kojima game looks awesome as well, soooo how about some info for a new Killzone Guerrilla ?, I wouldn't mind a reboot. :D

[thekhurg]

It's a great engine for sure. Would be nice if more Sony 1st party games used it. Similar to how EA uses DICE's engine now for all their games.

[IliasApos]

Naughty dogs engine is equally as impressive as decima
And sony santa monica's engine is a beast to!!!

[itBourne]

I would rather them keep to their diverse set of engines they have. They already colaberate very well with eachother in sharing methods and ideas. Sony has had teams in place to share and help their 1st and even 2nd and 3rd party studios for a long time.

[andrewsquall]

EA have already overused that engine too much. Its horrible in racing games like NFS since they used it for NFS The Runs in 2011.
And then every single other game that uses it has human character models that all look way too similar and generic since Army of Two 3.

@IliasApos ND's engine is incredible too but they will have to go back to their PS2 days and try to get the engine to be able to incredible open world stuff again with day to night cycles like the Jak games if they want to beat Guerilla with their next brand new IP :)

[bouzebbal]

Sony studios have so many brilliant engines for different types of games.
Devs are using each other's engines once in a while like until dawn...

[mechlord]

You know, that might sound like a good idea on the surface but its not. Games are games but they are vastly different. One engine for everything cant be a good solution. maybe 3-4 (sony can do this) would be the best solution.
You don't take a laFerrari to visit your granny on the countryside by the mountains. Its still a car tho.

[AmUnRa]

Didn't you know? The First party devs of Sony are working together for years now..
When someone finds a way to get more out of the PS4 they giving this information to other First party developers.

[Asuka]

really could go for a new Killzone. Be it a reboot, or whatever.

[jukins]

It's coming you can bet on it.

[frostypants]

The last Killzone used the Decima engine. I think they're done with KZ for a while.

[BlakHavoc]

Enjoyed KZ but I want two more HZDs before they go bk lol.

[RevXM]

Im sure GG has more than one team, after Horizon Im really curious about what they could pull off with the same resources and effort put into a new KZ installment.
Anyways cant wait for more Horizon.

[UCForce]

That's very good to hear.

[IliasApos]

Ps5 will be the real home of Decima
Horizon zd looks amazing but there are some shortcoming here and there
With ps5 over 10 tflops gpu ryzen cpu and more memory the future looks bright!!!

[showtimefolks]

I think ps5 will launch fall 2019 with

10-12TF
16 plus GB ram

It's gonna be awesome

[Rimeskeem]

It would be interesting if they launched a new Vita with it.

Imagine

The PS5 and the PSV. Nice combo right there.

[DarXyde]

I would push that back a year to 2020 personally. 2019 feels pretty soon, especially with a mid-generation refresh.

I also think 10-12TF feels like a low-ball estimate. In terms of FLOPS, PS4 is 4.6x more powerful than PS3. It would be a considerable leap from the base hardware, but less than that if you consider that Pro exists. Then again, Sony might make PS5 that kind of a leap from PS4 and a PS5 Pro make a 16+TF transition.

Personally, I would rather they hold off on releasing PS5 for a year or two if it means we stop with iterative hardware.

[zivtheawesome]

it should be 2020 to let the 7nm process to mature in my opinion.
12TF vega with navi features (a bit more if we are lucky)
zen 2/3 processor
20GB ram (i am not sure what type as there are a few options here).
after a few calculation with these specs i reached the conclusion that developers would create games mostly at 2160c resolution.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Nah... 2020 with 10 -12 GB GDDR5, Overclocked CPU.

[DarXyde]

I really didn't see much in the way of shortcomings at all. Horizon is an immensely detailed game with a very lush environment and great lighting and runs extremely well (I think I noticed *one* small frame rate hitch at the very end of the game). It's seriously incredible and I play on the base PS4.

Horizon withstanding, Guerrilla's games aren't my thing, but no one can knock them. They seriously know their way around hardware.

[Zero_Suit_Samus]

@DarXyde

“I really didn't see much in the way of shortcomings at all.“

The only thing I noticed was the water physics. It doesn’t physically react to Aloy or enemies. Other than that it’s the best looking game I’ve ever seen. Beautiful and rock solid performance.

[frostypants]

Water physics. Vegetation physics (only grass reacts to player). Also, some of the cool little wildlife things (ants on tree, flocks of birds) were insanely rare. I'd love to see more of that.

It's still the prettiest game out there, but like any game it's got some things that could be improved.

[RommyReigns]

Awesome, it's currently the best engine in gaming and with Horizon not taking advantage of the power of the Pro despite being so awesome already, the engine can only get better.

[Obscure_Observer]

@RommyReings

"Horizon not taking advantage of the power of the Pro"

What? Horizon is one of the few titles which takes full advantage of Pro´s hardware. Currently is the only AAA game which manages to hit 2160p Checkerboard on Pro. It also supports supersample. GG did an awesome job with Horizon on Pro.

[Cmv38]

I think he was implying built only with the pro architecture in mind.

[Bruh]

Or middle earth which hits a native 4K on the Pro

[Kribwalker]

@bruh

"Most of the time"
http://wccftech.com/me-shad...

[Irishguy95]

"Built only with the pro architecture" -

Eh...yeahh its called x86, just like ps4

[Bruh]

What? Lol by what means?

The ND engine is even more technically impressive than this

If you're talking scalability that belongs to UE4

So I'm not seeing where it's the best

[Obscure_Observer]

Decima is awesome and should be the prime engine for all PS4 games! Just like Frostbite is for EA games.

[Timesplitter14]

It would be so awesome if they released the engine publicly just like UE4 and Unity at some point

[Razzer]

That isn't going to happen. Decima is proprietary internal technology. Sony has more interest in keeping it so rather than entering the engine licensing business. Same for other internal engines such as EA's frostbite and Ubisoft's Anvil.

[Timesplitter14]

@Razzer
Okay first of all: you and I, we don't own Sony. So why would we care? There is no reason why we'd care unless we're fanboys. And we're not fanboys, right?

And second of all: Both Unity and UE4 made billions with their "free" engine. This is a much more viable commercial strategy than the old, outdated private licensing strategy. The profits of releasing the engine publicly are so much more immense that it isn't even comparable. Ask Tim Sweeney of Epic

[Rimeskeem]

Maybe for open world. But i think there are certain engines better for certain games. Naughty Dog has a phenomenal engine for their games and I think they should stay with it.

[Obscure_Observer]

Naughty Dog´s engine is awesome but it´s a old (but updated) PS3 engine. But i do agree with you that Sony´s first party studios has awesome engines which could be used for different types of games. Sucker Punch´s Infamous SS engines is fantastic and i want to see more games running on it.

[fatbastard11]

Titanfall is EA and didn't use Frostbite.I doubt Need For Speed does either.

[Obscure_Observer]

You´re right about Titanfall wich is still Source, But Need For Speed is Frostbite.

[loxov]

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[Movefasta1993]

Why wouldn't they be?

[SethBrundlefly]

Great Engine! Fantasticmrfox (TM) Engine! Go Kojima!

[Angeljuice]

Really impressive, that demo more than doubles performance.

*Wrong Thread*

[DivineAssault]

Its a great engine.. They'd be foolish not to use it more often.. Horizon is a beautiful game.. I just hope they dont force a FPS next

[Asuka]

Yeah i agree. As much as i love Killzone i do not want another Shadowfall. I know Shadowfall was more of a proof of concept for Decima, but now that GG has two games under their belt using Decima maybe we can get a proper KZ title.

[andrewsquall]

The one thing I'm worried about Sony Bend and Day's Gone is the fact they are making it on the multiplatform engine UE4. Imagine how well the game would look if it was on Guerilla's Decima engine that was built from the ground up for the PS4 and its amazing unified GDDR5 architecture?
Unlike Tekken 7 and Dragon Quest XI, Days Gone BETTER run at native 1080p on standard PS4.

[Nodoze]

How about a 3rd person Killzone leveraging this engine. Would LOVE to explore the KZ universe with this engine. Open world KZ would be awesome!!

[ILostMyMind]

KZSF uses this engine.

[AmUnRa]

And some Killzone's just also.
This engine it was build in the late 1990' by Michiel van der Leeuw, he is a genius
It was not called the Decima engine back then. But Guerrilla build it up till what it is now.

Ik ben ontzettend trots dat Guerrilla Nederland op de kaart zet als een land met een van de beste developers in de wereld.
Vet gedaan Guerrilla😉😉

[Relientk77]

Would love to see what Guerilla does with the engine next

[RommyReigns]

I can't wait to see what Kojima does with this engine for Death Stranding

[Obscure_Observer]

@andrewsquall

"The one thing I'm worried about Sony Bend and Day's Gone is the fact they are making it on the multiplatform engine UE4."

Days Gone will be dynamic 4K. That´s why i think Bend chose UE4, because of its scalabity resorces. And so far, the game looks awesome!

"Unlike Tekken 7 and Dragon Quest XI, Days Gone BETTER run at native 1080p on standard PS4."

It´s no impossible, but i think Bend will choose either dynamic 1080p or 900p to maintain a stable framerate.

[andrewsquall]

But why??? Horizon Zero Dawn chose a locked native 1080p resolution and its still 30fps 99% of the time WITH extra insane things going on too like full day to night cycles and weather and volumetric clouds and even more.
If Days Gone isn't a locked native 1080p and solid 30fps we will know it was a mistake to go with UE4 when they COULD have easily went with Guerilla's engine just like Supermassive Games, that made Until Dawn, were able to.

[Obscure_Observer]

Maybe because Days Gone is a more demanding game? Days Gone is an open world survival game which will feature, weapon crafting, day/night circles, dynamic events/quests, wildlife system and the dynamic weather will have dramatic impact on gameplay. All real time. Plus, i don´t know if you notice, there´s LOTS of zombies and people on screen as we saw in the last video. No walking, no crawling. All zombies can RUN on Days Gone, that´s a LOT of strees for any console or PC.

[gbsrnctaln]

Horizon has its shortcomings...water is VERY weak. But man, 4k chkrbrd and especially HDR look amazing. More please.

[jokerisalive]

Sonys first party studios and their games are unmatched and the reason why even with the X coming out the Pro will more than keep up and actually deliver better looking games imo. Just look at God of war, days gone, GT sport, uncharted....the list goes on. Crackdown a game I love, looks like it always has which is what it is, forza 7 is a step up but nothing else they have that we have seen has that next gen photorealistic look like Sonys offerings. Just being honest. That being said the Decima engine is a flat out BEAST and I hope we get Killzone 5 with it.

[mandingo]

Beautiful game indeed. Although not exactly that fun imo

[RommyReigns]

Seeing your comment history I can't take that comment or you seriously.

[mandingo]

It's an opinion man

[SlySouls]

I think it was fun and a good start to a series. My biggest praise has to do with the world design and concept. It's thoroughly unique and interesting. That said, hopefully any sequels will add more enjoyable missions.

[sackboyhappy]

i thought the decima engine was built from the ground up for 30fps games, they want to make more 30fps games? :(

[dRanzer]

One of the most impressive game engine out there..
I dont know if it's related to technical limits but they have to greatly improve everthing about water in this game

[windblowsagain]

Water needs a Lot of Improvement, character models are good. But crysis3 is still best imo.

[sackboyhappy]

i get the impression this site's full of imature fanboys, i've seen so many messages being down voted for no reason

[RommyReigns]

For no reason whatsoever, I've just given your comment a downvote :P

[SlySouls]

Only on N4G will you get largely upvoted for saying you like Knack, and get panned for pointing out that games that are too cinematic are likely to have problems given that it can take away from gameplay.

[DialgaMarine]

The fact that Hideo Kojima has taken such a huge interest in the engine should say a lot. It's a beautiful engine, and I'm very interested in seeing just how versatile it can be.

[Knushwood Butt]

I hear Polyphony Digital borrowed tech from Geurrilla, and are implementing it in GT Sport.

If you look closely at the trees at the side of the track, you can see those tiny little leaves moving up and down the trunk.

[Bolts]

Name a hit game where they announced that their engine sucked and they made a huge mistake by investing in this technology.

[AmUnRa]

Dude why you are saying this?

[Warshade]

sweet! Add an optional lock on feature for those of us who are more rpg than shooter. 😊

[porkChop]

Why wouldn't they? It seems to be a good engine, and there are tons of things they can improve as with any engine. Of course they're going to invest in it. If they can make it really versatile, then Sony can use it as the standard in-house engine. It only makes sense.

[SlySouls]

I can't think about any complaints regarding the game engine off the top of my head. It'll be cool to see what they can do if they build on it. I enjoyed Horizon so I'm looking forward to seeing what Guerilla does next.