Sumo Digital: XB1X Is So Much Faster Than PS4 Pro, But Will Third Parties Make Use of It?

Sumo Digital's Gareth Wilson stated that the XB1X is much faster than PS4 Pro, though he wondered whether third parties will properly use it.

[PhoenixUp]

I'd assume so

[XiNatsuDragnel]

I hope so, but most likely not. Since console sales matter.

[timotim]

I would imagine 3rd party devs care more about how many people they can get to buy there game at the end of the day. Most 3rd party devs will be selling there games on multiple platforms, including PC and also mobile in some cases.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Agreed, but think from devs point of view. We want as least amount of issues as possible while developing on all platforms.

[KillBill]

True but 3rd party Devs are already standing up and saying they want to show their games off on XB1X. So regardless.... MS is getting the attention they wanted.

[rainslacker]

It's kind of a balancing act. The more sales the X1X gets, the more effort that will be put into adding in Scorpio features. Devs may want to go all out, but development time cost money, and they will have pressures to release the game by a certain date.

Some optimizations will be easier than others, so I'm sure all games will have at least some Scorpio support. But based on the PS4P upgraded support, I wouldn't be expecting that much, but when the good ones do come, it can be quite impressive. more often than not it's just more subtle upgrades to graphics or general performance that likely comes from the easy transitions within the game engines or API's.

[timotim]

Ok...that the same work they put in on PC can work in there favor on X and vice versa

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Sure they can, but developers are tied to a publisher who wants certain requirements to make the publisher money. Activision and COD supply drops for example. Another one is parity to not make favourites they use parity to achieve a fair running instead of the best possibly be version.

[Vbma]

Already using, there is a list of games that will come better visually and not only resolution. And even those who do not have 4k TV XoX makes the game more beautiful than the standard 1080 plus faster loadings. This already shows a big difference for the competitor. Not to mention the ease and speed of progaming games for XoX.

[MrFisher21]

Pay 500 for your games to load a little quicker?? Lol. And most people with 4k Tv's don't even calibrate them. So sad.

[ziggurcat]

Most people with1080p TVs don't calibrate them, either. You can tell when someone says a night scene in a game is "too dark."

[Gh05t]

Seriously? My PC is full of hardware specifically bought to make things load faster, and I spent more than $500 to buy a quicker processor, more memory, and a faster SSD... I blow money for faster loading all the time.

Keep trying to pretend like these things don't matter

[OpenGL]

PS4 on average already loads games faster than the Xbox One, wondering how much of an improvement this is. Digital Foundry said something like it increases read speeds from 40MB/s to 60MB/s, both of which are considerably slower than modern mechanical hard drives.

[The_Sage]

Vbma,

What the hell kind of English is that?.. I understood it but it's really really weird.

[Vbma]

Haha, English Second language. Im learning.
😄

[The_Sage]

Lol. Well... Then in that case, well done. 👍

[frostypants]

Both MS and Sony consoles are easy to develop for these days. You're using a last-gen talking point.

[KaiPow]

As long as Microsoft remembers to give the core bone owners the same experience, I welcome whatever additional power and tweaks the X version can get. I'm glad Sony has mandates in place to keep their two consoles in check.

[ElementX]

It depends upon the game assets. If they're releasing the game on PC and they have higher res assets and graphic effects already then I'm sure they'll take advantage of the X.

[-Foxtrot]

Doubt it...they'll wait for next gen before they push anything hard in my opinion. It's why I think midgen consoles are pointless.

[timotim]

What about on PC though? Are devs CURRENTLY keeping the PC versions of there games at the same exact level as there console counterparts? If so, why is it that PC is always pushing the superior version? Seems to me 3rd party devs will take advantage of a platform as long as said platform makes it easy for devs to do so. Microsoft kept this in mind when designing X. Sony didn't so much when designing the pro.

[xsta1ker]

pointless do you see how fast technology is moving just look @ smartphones. pc as well the traditional 7- 8 yr
console development is a thing of the past.. your now in the 3 - 4 yr upgraded console cycle and it's here
to stay.

[aconnellan]

I dunno, remember how good some games looked around the end of the 360/PS3 cycle? And then we were like "I can't wait to see what the XB1/PS4 let them do!"

And the answer was... not much at all. Not in the first few years at least.

So I reckon they'll keep pushing this gen, especially now that they've got the power we expected from the beginning of the gen

[Bigpappy]

You don't think game running at 4K60 is pushing the Scorpio hard. Many PC Gamers can't even get a steady, 4K30.

[Cybermario]

"But Will Third Parties Make Use of It?" most likely not, studios have a limited amount of resources and doubt they can spare the extra cash for two different ports of the games for each console

[timotim]

Smh...studios are already doing so on PC, and that work can and will carry over to X...no extra resources needed...they would reusing resources.

[Xavi4K]

don't forget that X1X easy to dev for and enhance for so yeah they will push its power

[Fishy Fingers]

They all run similar architecture these days. Shouldn't be hard to optimise a little to each systems strengths. If its full multiplat, they can just scale back according from the PC.

Carrying the OG systems ties more developers hands and hampers the 'upgraded' consoles potential more than anything else.

[Ol_Boy]

The real question is will Microsoft make use of it?

[CP_Company]

of course it is faster.they are comparing hardware which is 1 years older and 100$ cheaper,and if Sony lower the price,it is 150$ cheaper.
wtf? there is no point to do that,because of course it is more powerful.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

studios are competitive and most of them love being the ones that set the bar and having all that extra power only makes it easier for them to bring more - even if its just simply things like resolution, antialiasing, frame rates etc - never mind increased just about everything else. just look at drive club and how it set the graphics bar for impressive racing visuals for example or Horizon: Zero Dawn for natural open worlds and creature animation. beyond that though, even with no enhanced support games will still run and load faster and have more stable frame rates... thats a worst case so its kinda hard to go wrong.

[bumbleforce]

I remember when the og Xbox came out and it was better than ps2. The developers took advantage of it. Look at things like the GTA games which looked much better than ps2. Developers took advantage of ps4 being more powerful than base x1 with higher rez if they can they will. Games will run and look better on x1x

[raWfodog]

I hope to see an exclusive game developed just for the XB1X so that developers can utilize its power to the fullest. And I want it to be a single-player game that I'm interested in playing, preferably an RPG...with dragons...and maybe robot ninjas too. Oh, and have it take place in space.

[GNCFLYER]

It's faster and I'm sure they'll use the extra power. Be hell to pay from the Xbox fanbase if they didn't (or anyone that bought one)

With a 4.2 vs 6 TF machine i don't see there being a world of difference.

I play HZD on a 42 inch regular PS4 and a 70 4k. I'm more immersed in what I am playing than the pixels.

[Realms]

The truth is that if the xbox x doesn't sell well enough third party devs won't waste resources for a small user base. Time will tell but if Destiny 2 is any indication of how this will play out I don't think third party devs are going to go out of their way to make xbox x games that much better than the Pro versions.

[LastCenturyRob]

Some will, some won't. Just the way it always is.

[VersusDMC]

Considering how crackdown 3 and sea of thieves look in the graphics department... maybe first parties should learn how to use it properly first.

[joab777]

What will they do with this UPGRADE? That won't alienate other X1 users, but still push the boundaries?

[WilliamSheridan]

I hope so... If not this generation of games will be stagnant

[cbuc1125]

I have a friend who bought a BMW instead of a Porsche. The Porsche was "so much faster", but he still bought the BMW due to it having more room and being cheaper. PS4 Pro has more games and is cheaper, while still being plenty powerful enough. Get what I'm saying? They need to stop crowing about how powerful this thing is and learn how to make great games.

[deathtok]

Major engines like Unreal offer developer tools to customize and scale game assets to power (similar but lots more details than a PC game menu).

Some engines even scale based on system specs. As long as high quality assets are available this shouldn't be an "if" but "when" scenario.

[DivineAssault]

Sadly i doubt it.. I want them to but unless MS throws cash at all of them, they wont bother.. I want the xb1x to be what they're touting but they've been going down a path i dont want to see since the middle of the 360's life cycle. However, i will get it if i see some unique and awesome AAA games that cant be found on PS4

[TheOttomatic91]

yeah this is a worrying trend with the Pro, certain game devs (not all) tend to just focus on the standard PS4 hardware and not bother with any of the extra power that the Pro. There is a strong chance this happens with the XB1X.

[Profchaos]

Not unless Microsoft pays for it because why spend all that time developing for the minority when the bulk of users on base consoles that's why pro support outside of first party titles is always pretty lacklustre.

It's always about the return on investment

[DevilishSix]

I don't see why they wouldn't especially since its easy to code for. I remember back during the original Xbox and PS2 era, the Xbox was much stronger than PS2 and that could be seen when comparing games like in the Splinter Cell series on the Xbox vs PS2, the Xbox versions clearly looked better. So I don't see why third parties won't use its power this time around.

[dsammy04]

As a person who really didnt see the difference between my ps4 and xbox one on multiplatform games. This doesnt mean anything to me. What sold me to upgrade my PS4 to the Pro was because of games like Horizon

[DELTABOY04]

so tired of the xbox one x already and it isn't even out yet..the fact that microsoft didnt have on game at e3 that blew anyone away was telling..even the pro reveal had jaw dropping horizon zero dawn footage

[Xavi4K]

many games already look better on X1X...so yeah they probably will Devs want their games to look as best as possible regard the system they are deving for

[MagicBeanz]

Recent reports and comparisons would suggestion the answer is no.

[BenRC01]

It just does 4k. That's it. Same games but 4k. (Although more and more reports of checkerboard on one x) 99% of people won't see the difference from checkerboard, and Sony are in full control of multiplat parity.

[inxine]

thats the big question isnt? do third party devs take the time to make their games 4k? or make use of the specs? what third parties are there even. haha.

[andrewsquall]

XB1X Is So Much Faster Than XB1, But Will Third Parties Make Use of It? Fixed that for you there Sumo.

[thexmanone]

But they are comparing it to the slower PS4 Pro , Not the Xbox 1. No need to fix anything.

[FITSniper]

Its unquestionable that it has a more powerful GPU and more RAM. But for CPU, no, it's not. 2.3 GHz vs 2.1 GHz. Yes there are a few other tweaks but it's still Jaguar when it comes down to it. Ultimately everything is still bound to the CPU. And neither console is particularly strong in that area. I'm sure in the next generation we'll have consoles that are capable of true 4K with hopefully 60 fps. Clearly we have the GPUs for it, just need to run a CPU that is at least double the current speed of Jaguar. Which really shouldn't be that hard in 2019-2020. You figure both camps have to be coming close to finalizing their desired specs for the next generation of consoles (assuming that is the launch window, and it should be).

[MADGameR]

If its so much faster then why can't it run every game at native 4k 60FPS? Digital Foundry exposed them. Phil Spencer lied.

[Nodoze]

Then why does your game look and run like such crap on it? I would pipe down. Your game did NOT show well. Doesn't matter if the console is 100x faster if the SOFTWARE sucks.

[Mister_G]

The games will be basically the same across all Sony/MS platforms. The platforms with more power may have a few extra visual bells and whistles and maybe more stable frame rate but that'll be the only difference.

[Andofaus]

Yep X1X is with out doubt a much more capable console than the Pro, Sony really F@#% up releasing the pro not only is the Pro a half assed upgrade it was completely unnecessary they had the lead in sales by a mile. Now Xbox Holds all the power and can control the console race, all they have to do now is wait for Sony to announce the PS5 and out power it again as they did with the Pro... It's beautiful.

[BLAKHOODe]

Doesn't Microsoft, Sony or both have a clause that makes 3rd party developers unable to make their games look or play much better on the competition's console? I know this was blamed for Sony never being able to utilize the PS3's power advantage over the Xbox 360, other than for their own exclusives like Uncharted and The Last Of Us, which were some of the best looking games of that generation. If that's still the case, as long as the Xbox One S and PS4 are still being marketed, those consoles will hold back the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X's full potential.

[V0LT]

It isn't all about the horsepower. It is about the games. Period.

[Bronxs15]

System isn't even out yet. What we've seen so far and has been so impressive amounts to launch tittle and devs have quickly ported things over in days and weeks.

In time devs will utilize it and max it out like all systems

[Taero]

If they use the power to go native 4k and pro does checkerboard how noticeable is that and how much of the extra power is left to push FX afterwards?

[GreenUp]

I play games like Battlefield so I'm sure DICE will use the extra power. They have for the PS4 Pro so they will for the Scorpio too. Can't wait. BF1 runs very well and looks clean on PS4 Pro so that's great.

[sadsatan]

'faster' is usually down to cpu cycles. ps4 pro and xbox one x both have similar cpus. the gpu in xbox one x is for scaling games to 4k, the framerate is dependant on the cpu (in most cases), so i disagree that the xbox one x has a big advantage in the 'faster' department (imo)

[GrantPatterson]

I'm wondering if first parties will make use of it, because it looks like third parties are all that got shown off at E3.

[Heavenly King]

"Sumo Digital: XB1X Is So Much Faster Than PS4 Pro" And yet their own game looks worst than a 3rd party multiplatform game (Agents of Mayhem).

I wonder what they are doing will that POWA!!! LMAO!