Talking About Indie Games At Shows No Longer Relevant, Says Sony’s Jim Ryan

Jim Ryan's larger sentiment makes sense. He said: You know, right now, we have tonnes of indie content on the platform. And the fact that we elected, along with many other things such as Gran Turismo and PlayLink, not to give it its own spot on the stage this week, in no way means it is not important, or it is not there, or we don’t worry about it. It was just good to talk about in 2013/2014. It is less relevant now. We have VR to talk about now, for example.”
He also talked about how indie game montages never actually do those games justice. “One of the things we have realized is that these video collages of ten indie games shown in a minute, is almost meaningless. Nobody can really learn anything about the games in that sort of time. It is almost viewed as wasted time.”

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Nope dude bad move

[NewMonday]

"that these video collages of ten indie games shown in a minute, is almost meaningless. Nobody can really learn anything about the games in that sort of time"

can't see anything wrong here, batter to show enough or nothing at all.

[ApocalypseShadow]

already confirmed in the other article that it was taken out of context and posted on n4g by septic as a way to vilify Jim because of the article about phil being a villain.

Then, along comes gaming bolt to add nothing to the conversation. We know Sony likes indies and a variety of them. And now is turning to help VR get noticed and support it more to get it going.

Also in gamingbolts article,they give the impression that Sony was floundering when making games.when we know it's just longer development cycles for all systems.no need to mention that nonsense and give a choice about what reason it could have been on waiting for games when PS4 came out.

[Sunny_D]

Anyone who says PS4 is anti-indie must be forgetting about the beginning of this gen when haters kept calling it the Indiestation. What, now you haters think indies are the best thing ever!!!???

[Gazondaily]

"It was just good to talk about in 2013/2014. It is less relevant now. We have VR to talk about now, for example.”

You and your cohorts jumped down my throat for my article so you go on and explain what that quote above alludes to. Please go ahead.

And yes, the absolute double standard is absolutely hilarious. But go on please. Please explain.

[NewMonday]

@Septic
Ryan is talking about the E3 presentation, you are spinning it into a platform policy, fact is PS4 still has more incoming Indy games including Sony published.

[stormhawk]

maybe the got tired of people calling it the indiestation

[AspiringProGenji]

And guess which one is the indie console now...

https://youtu.be/n0iB5i8cCa...

[Servbot41]

He's right in that indies aren't worth mentioning during the E3 show; chances are they are playable on everything anyway and most people are sick of them by now.

VR isn't worth wasting their time though, until an actual, FULL game comes out besides Resident Evil 7. We're all sick of seeing jank tech demos and last gen ports.

[The 10th Rider]

Ori and the Will of the Wisps had one of the best trailers of the show. (It might not be the best game, but that trailer was incredible).

A Way Out was one of the highlights of EA's entire conference and it's from a small indie team.

They certainly shouldn't be the star of a show, but showing something like Ori or A Way Out is a great way of supplementing the rest of a conference.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean I'm not entirely sure I would call those independent games, if you have a major publisher funding your entire project I'm not entirely sure that constitutes as independent.

I mean I actually think you're confusing the team being an independent team as in the team isn't owned with the actual game itself.

Insomniac is an independent team so is Spider-Man by default using your logic an independent game? So never mind that Sony is publishing and funding the project?

[The 10th Rider]

@_-EDMIX-_,

Most people would still classify those as indies due to budget and scope. I suppose it's possible the second Ori game has been given a much larger budget, but we haven't seen much to know where they're going with it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I would say they have other ways to Market those games and that the time they have at least press events is getting shorter and shorter that I don't think it makes sense to Market some of those games if they don't already carry a large audience.

I think in the beginning of the generation it was important for both Publishers to show their support for independent games so people understand that both those platforms had a market for those developers but I don't really think that's something that needs to be restated every single press event.

They just don't have enough time to justify. What VR is very much worth it to be in this event because they're still trying to Market it. There were several full games that were shown at the event for VR.

[Sunny_D]

So is Skyrim not a full game?

[NotSoMad]

A GamingBolt article that doesn't make me regret reading it?

[Gamist2dot0]

"Nobody can really learn anything about the games in that sort of time. "
"And the fact that we elected, along with many other things such as Gran Turismo and PlayLink, not to give it its own spot on the stage this week, in no way means it is not important, or it is not there, or we don't worry about it. "

He means indie titles deserve more air time than a short collage, smh at Gamingbolt.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

I had a feeling that was why some of those other new intellectual properties they announced where not on stage.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

They are more relevant than VR games. I tell you that Sony.

[_-EDMIX-_]

? they're both relevant I'm not really sure what you guys are in love with this stupid either or crap.

How slow are you guys?

Have you not realized that a virtual reality game can be made by an independent developer? Meaning that both technically could apply?

So basically new and different creative experiences only makes sense for Nintendo but not for Sony?

I mean that's hilarious considering Nintendo fans have been spending multiple Generations telling people to expand their minds on the potential of those gimmicks yet you're dismissing virtual reality? Is this some sort of joke?

Buddy Nintendo was going to jump into VR I could almost guarantee they're going to do this so when they do are you going to tell me VR games are not relevant?

But dual screens and motion controls and Gyro and all of that is much more relevant? 🤔

I'm pretty sure virtual reality and independent games both in the same vein are relevant to be shown but simply in a way in which they could actually properly explain the title showing a quick collage is not going to help most consumers learn about those games.

Mind you what they're saying is not that they're not showing them because they're not important but simply they don't even have enough time to properly Market the title in the first place.

It's why even Sony's own games were shown before and after the Press event to properly explain what they are.

Mind you if you like motion controls gyro dual screens I'm not entirely sure why you randomly also don't like virtual reality.

It's pretty hard to push all these different ways to play games yet try to pretend as if virtual reality isn't that interesting.

Geez bud, support all the different methods.

I mean even for face value you need to realize when Nintendo does it you're going to need to start pretending that it's amazing again remember? 😁

[The 10th Rider]

He didn't even mention Nintendo, but the vast majority of your post is talking about Nintendo.

Obsessed much?

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

@The 10th Rider
I am used to it lol. Everytime I mention Sony or PS4.
These people always get on the defensive and start bringing up Nintendo or me being a Nintendo fan to prove their point.

@_-EDMIX-_
Good job stating things I never said.
And don't generalize me with the entire Nintendo fanbase.

[The 10th Rider]

@OtakuDJK1NG-Rory,

_-EDMIX-_ is the worst in that regard. He writes essays in response to things I never said, then strangely disappears. The sad thing is he's not purposefully trolling. It makes me wish we had some kind of bubble system back.

I mean, you made a comment talking about nothing but Indies and VR and he has gems like this in response: "So basically new and different creative experiences only makes sense for Nintendo but not for Sony?", "But dual screens and motion controls and Gyro and all of that is much more relevant [than VR]?", and "Mind you if you like motion controls gyro dual screens I'm not entirely sure why you randomly also don't like virtual reality."

Nothing in your comment even remotely alluded to any of those three things. Heck, you never even said that you hate VR, just that indies are more relevant than VR. I think he was "triggered" by your Arms avatar.

[Kribwalker]

I really find it funny how every chance they get they will attack Nintendo and Xbox articles like a swarm, and spend the time to write a 1000 word essay on why you are wrong to like anything but Sony, and then play the victim or explain it away like it's nothing when Sony does gamers wrong (crossplay anyone).

Edmix did you know, since you brought up VR into this conversation, that the highest selling dedicated VR during the same time period as the release of the PSVR is Virtual Boy at 1.2 million. More Nintendo innovation for you to get upset about.
But that makes you see that indies are more relevant then VR. Indies have a install base of hundreds of millions to sell to, since most are multiplat like you said and available to pc/consoles. Dedicated gaming VR has a install base of 1.6 million over multiple platforms. How would that be more relevant?

[VersusDMC]

That's a dumb statement to make. Yet remember that indie they put so much attention on and ended up a disaster. No man's sky have made them take a break on the indies for a bit.

[Aenea]

Oh look, another story about the same thing! How original!

At least this one adds that it's about "talking about them during shows", that's something at least...

[Razzer]

Wow....Septic making gamingbolt look good.

[lellkay]

Shame, I always enjoyed an Indie show reel...

[TheOttomatic91]

Sigh I hope doesn't mean they will stop allowing indie games on PS4, I use my PS4 for all kinds of different games.

[BeOpenMinded]

I've appreciated more indie games than triple A this generation. It seems that's where the creativity is nowadays. I've regretted many full priced triple A games. I don't know if my gaming taste have changed but a good compromise may be to show longer than minute clips...

[segamaniaco]

If you like indies then buy a vita

[bu3ouf91]

1.
Sony E3: We love Indies indies and some AAA games.
People: Is this Indistation f**k indies who cares.

2.
Sony E3: No more talk about Indies.
People: WTF, Sony is anti Indies f**k Sony.

Wise man: Making people satisfied is a goal that can not be achieved