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Crackdown 3 didn’t go according to plan, but it’s better for it - Fenix Bazaar

Crackdown 3 was far from being in consideration for "best in show", but after its disappointing showing during the Xbox briefing, it may yet find itself as one of E3 2017's surprise packets.

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-Foxtrot2923d ago

I don't understand though because if it was because of the "always online" and the way gamers thought towards it then why did they continue to big up the cloud even after the first announcement at almost every E3 or any other games event from then on. Surely by the second E3 well after the reaction to the Xbox One, DRM and even when Phil took charge you'd go "right lets get on this, we know for a fine fact this was built on always online and obviously things have changed". What you don't do is constantly big the cloud up and remind gamers of the main feature when you do a 180 later on and will obviously want people to forget about it...I mean I'm pretty sure if they played cloud down straight way after the first E3 it was being shown off most gamers now would have forgotten about it and thought "well they did play it down straight away every chance they got, after the Xbox One reveal with DRM I can obviously see why, this is a logical decision"

ShottyatLaw2923d ago

I don't understand something else...

Since at least 2015 they were clear that cloud destruction was for online multiplayer only. It would not be anywhere near the same level in the -no internet required- single player mode. That was pretty clear, actually.

So, I'm really not sure where your ramblings, or the theories thrown out there by the author really stem from.

We don't want always online in our single player. If always online is required for destruction, then no cloud in the single player. Pretty easy to grasp, wouldn't you say?

freshslicepizza2923d ago

Don't expect a reply anytime soon. The cloud technology was always about online, otherise how would it work? They also said there would be a campaign mode for offline. So yes I agree, they have been very clear. He only likes to point out what he doesn't like and will focus solely on that.

dcbronco2922d ago

The people who don't want always on in their single player games lack vision. I don't care if they know what I play, they already do. Only people who have modded their machine are really worried.

Always online allows for so many incredible opportunities for new ways to play. Letting a few people and a bunch of sheep stop it is crazy. This is where Microsoft failed. They should have explain their goal better. They should have pointed out that many games people love are already always online. And more than anything they should have just built software that proved the value. If you want to win at some point you have to lead.

Aenea2922d ago

@moldy

Sooo he's like you then?

Aenea2922d ago

@dcbronco

I totally agree! Never really understood the reasons for disliking it, it's 2017 for goodness sake!

But...

I really do want them to make sure that if for whatever reason my internet isn't working that the game still can function for the most part. And if they do that they can make it optional too for the few old fashioned people out there without 24/7 internet. Sure, this means that quite a few features won't work but won't leave you with a non-playable game on the rare occasion that you don't have access to internet...

Bobafret2922d ago

It's simple: They hate Xbox and MS more than they love Sony. I can't recall the last time I commented on anything PS.

Moe-Gunz2922d ago

Easy saying that when you're in a place with great internet. Always online is a nightmare for others.

IamTylerDurden12922d ago

I think the issue and the strange part was to show absolutely no mp. CD3 has become that game with the crazy promised destruction so to feature the game at e3 with Zero destruction is a bit disappointing. Also, it's not like any story or narrative aspect was featured, i'm surprised ppl even knew sstraight away that they were looking at sp. It was just some clips, so why not show off the most highly touted feature of the game? Ppl want to see the cloud destruction that was so highly publicized. If insane cloud destruction was being used all this time to market the game then at least throw us a bone at E3.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

They probably figured out that not everyone has access to high speed internet or internet speeds high enough to get the best experience from cloud based destruction. There are also those who don't have an internet connection at all.

Microsoft finally decided to give everyone the same experience, which was a smart move.

rainslacker2921d ago

@dc

I believe it's fine to have the option. Say have SP where if you were online you could have all the destruction, but without the need to connect to others.

But any game that does have a SP component, for the most part at least, should probably have a mode where if you aren't online you can still play the game. Some of the souls games co-op for instance. They add little features, but nothing that prevents the game from being played if you disconnect.

But, looking more generally, right now, there is no real reason to be online unless cloud compute features are enabled for a game, or some type of added feature, so designing a game around having two completely different version for both kinds of players makes little sense.

I think the problem is just expecting a SP game to be online out of course, not that people are completely against the idea of games adding something when online. But if a SP games becomes unplayable while your offline, then its going to limit the potential buyers, and effectively puts an expiration date on the game when server support is dropped.

There may be certain kinds of games where such things make sense, but for any given heavy story based game....say like Horizon or BOTW, mandating online makes little sense because those are the kinds of games which rely on their story to provide a part of the experience.

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Krysis2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

Never mind, not worth arguing

andrewsquall2922d ago

You are so right as usual Fox. People are trying to pretend since last week that its absolutely normal that Crackdown 3 only showed Single Player and ignore the fact even more that it looked like an awkward last gen game (that STILL is showing 4 people playing ONLINE together in the trailer lol).
They are even pretending that they DIDN'T say this past 5 months that at E3 2017 we will all be put in our place by the "only next gen game" Crackdown 3.

But yeah, Microsoft made it clear Crackdown 3 was going to look incredibly bland and make everyone lose interest as soon as they showed the cloudless single player and that's a good thing apparently.

MadLad2922d ago

"You are so right as usual Fox"

Not sure if you are just a giant suck up, or a second account ... but be a man ...

That was cringe worthy.

Z5012922d ago

All i heard was "Wait til E3. Then you'll see"

-_-

CyrusLemont2922d ago

Honestly Crackdown 3 is a mess of marketing, at least there's a game coming out. I wouldn't even bother trying to focus/figure out what they're advertising until we see it from third party sources.

As far as I'm aware at this stage there are two components

-Singleplayer mode that supports up to four players online for exploration of the city with no cloud destruction.

-Multiplayer mode with different smaller but 100% destructible maps.

I think the most disappointing thing to me about this game is its visuals. Regardless of the cloud power destruction, the game looks like crap. I thought their target would have been somewhat closer to their initial footage displayed for the game. It looks so cardboard and lifeless.

akbennyewu2922d ago

Let's use every article as an inroad to whine and complain about things I don't like about a system I don't have!!!!

IamTylerDurden12922d ago

Agents of Mayhem looks like a proper innovation of the Crackdown formula, i'm actually pretty interested in it. CD3 looks exactly like Crackdown with the only innovation being mp, it could be fun, but the e3 showing was not overly impressive.

Tussin1872922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

The defence of this game is unbearable. Hype up the cloud for years and tease us with it a few years back. Then announces it's coming out this year.

Logically we think we will see it at E3. What do we get? This game squeezed in a montage. You had 3rd party games shown on stage over your own 1st party games coming out THIS YEAR!!! And on top of that, it's not of the multiplayer but singleplayer​. Make so much sense doesn't it?

I knew this was only an online feature since they announced this game so this defence is useless. Now we have to wait again until Gamescom? And will it be a fully destructible world or just a small area. Again we still don't know because we haven't​ seen shit on this game in years.

The defenders of this game are running out of time. This better be the best game ever the way you guys are trying so hard. Can't believe people are getting shit because they want to see the cloud that MS has been hyping up for years.

I guess that's to much to ask huh? And don't give some video of what it did in the past. I want to see this up and running in a real environment Today!!!!

rainslacker2921d ago

You make a good point about how the trailer was almost low key for a game coming out this year. Normally, a big release like this, with years of hype would be front and center with a lot of attention put on it.

Even after the conference, MS hasn't said much about it other than to explain why they showed the SP, and then didn't hype up the MP much at all.

They'll have to show off the MP at some point though. I'm going to reserve judgement until that happens. I know that cloud destruction in and of itself doesn't a good game make, but I'm really eager to see if they made it work out of sheer curiosity, and because I understand the long term potential and implications of the technology. If it does well, it could lead the way to even more compelling content over the long run, if it flops, it could delay all that potential, which would be a shame.

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FallenAngel19842923d ago

You don't hear much about the power of the cloud

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343_Guilty_Spark2922d ago

I'm really starting to hate this website. Every Xbox article is a "this sucks"...Zbox has no exclusives circlejerk.

Aenea2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

I feel you man, I really do, have the same feeling with every Sony article where the same stuff happens.

It's the way of the interwebz, sadly....

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BTW, have heard people mention Xbox games and all, but the Zbox has no games huh? And the Ybox? Does that have games? Or did MS skip a lettered box? 😂
Sorry, couldn't resist!

343_Guilty_Spark2922d ago

It is not the same in Sony articles. The hottest news on the site is usually Xbox related.

iDadio2922d ago

Aenea is correct the same shit goes on in the Sony articles.

"Can't wait to play the best version of this game on my day 1 X that mummy is selling herself on the street to afford'.

There is no middle ground there is no neutrality on n4g because even if you make the most down the line comment you'll get called out by paranoid members assuming your being sarcastic :)

Aenea2922d ago

@343

Yeah, sure dude, sure

nix2922d ago

343, welcome to last gen where PS3 suffered the same accusations it's entire life.

JasonKCK2922d ago (Edited 2922d ago )

Name more 2 or 3 Xbox fanboys who go into PS news. Now, let's compare...

Aenea2922d ago

@eatcrow

Moldy, 343, obscure, kionic....

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MegamanXXX2922d ago

Do you really think anyone cares what you hate 😂😅

Bobafret2922d ago

It has been this way long before the Xbox One. They will have you believe it is some retribution for a little percieved flack from the Ps3 launch. Sony zealots have been around since the beginning.

jmetalhead778122922d ago

@343

Just pity them. You have to have a miserable pathetic life if you have this much time to hate on something so trivial as a video game console. It's the same people over and over...

OT: I need to see more on this game. The E3 showing was sort of anti climatic. Still have high hopes for it though...

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yomfweeee2922d ago

Maybe if Microsoft produced something worthwhile once in a while.

Liqu1d2921d ago

Leave then, you won't be missed.

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MegamanXXX2922d ago

Power of the cloud = 🐎💩

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Tencent to buy Crackdown and Sackboy developer Sumo in $1.3bn deal

Tencent is set to buy Sumo Group in a deal worth $1.27bn (£919m), the companies have announced.

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Darkborn1430d ago

Tencent is really buying up everything. I'm surprised everyone is selling to them like this.

Rebel_Scum1430d ago

They want/need capital I guess.

darthv721430d ago

No way they are worth that much. They are a support studio. I guess tencent decided to throw them an insane price that Sumo would be crazy to turn down.

Its like the godfather. "Im going to make you an offer you cant refuse"

UltraNova1430d ago

Always the case.

Who owns the rights to Crackdown and Sackboy IPs though?

boing11430d ago

I've heard some time ago, that they created a special unit that has a mission to search for acquirable devs all around the globe.

-Foxtrot1430d ago

Going off their business practices they seem like a cancer in this industry

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blacktiger1430d ago

chinese currency, no limit in printing, but they are selling in USD

PrinceAli1430d ago

Maybe because they're a publisher of games with a history of success loool..?

barom1430d ago

Even Microsoft can’t compete with that kind of money.

Zeref1430d ago (Edited 1430d ago )

Uhm yes they can.. What do you mean?

Zeref1430d ago

Money talks, Besides, those developers don't need to worry about income anymore.

enkiduxiv1430d ago

I doubt anyone that matters to the actual production of the games is getting a raise. The only thing that has changed is that now they can't buy any Winnie the Poo products for their kids.

senorfartcushion1430d ago

Well they’re allowed. America and China are leading the world in toxic capitalism.

n1kki61430d ago

As publicly traded companies it's either they sell and potentially get more, or tencent initiates a hostile takeover and buys at least 51% of the shares. These companies might not even be amicable to the buy out but opt to take it because hostile takeovers are terrible.

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frostypants1430d ago (Edited 1430d ago )

Yep. A company that built itself by ripping off IP of small, innovative developers and out-marketing them. Tencent is everything wrong not just with gaming but corporate ethics in general, and the assymetric regulatory playing field we for some reason permit from the Chinese government. Egregiously corrupt companies like Tencent should be banned from the US market.

senorfartcushion1430d ago

The US market would take Tencent to dinner and have it naked on the bed by midnight if it could. America and China are as bad as each other

Lightning771430d ago

They can take Sumo those devs really aren't that great. Sack boys big adventure scored good however but Crackdown 3 wasn't great. They're 50/50 Sony will find a suitable replacement for Sack boy. MS desperately needs a suitable replacement for crackdown, if it's not already too late in terms of fanfare at this point.

Sumo to me isn't that big of a deal there are better devs out there.

senorfartcushion1430d ago

Crackdown 3 was cancelled and remade a few times. Hardly their fault.

darthv721430d ago

This is the same Sumo who made Outrun 2, 2006 Coast to Coast, Sonic Racing Transformed as well as Forza Horizon 2 on the 360. I think they are better than you give them credit for.

Wulfer1430d ago

You might want to walk this statement back. Why else do you think this game goes for over $200 now?

https://www.ebay.com/p/5144...

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ScootaKuH1430d ago

I'm surprised Sumo are valued so high

solideagle1430d ago

yeah, thats what I thought. $1.3 billion is very high, Insomniac sounds like a bargain deal for Sony!

chadwarden1430d ago

And they likely bought Housmarque and Bluepoint for even less than Insomniac.

phoenixwing1430d ago

at the two above me,
it's easy to sell for less when you know you're in good hands business and culture wise. I mean sure you could scratch out some extra money elsewhere but are all the people you know going to be taken care of when you get bought out? Sony takes care of them. Basically you can tell who's a scheming money scumbag by what ceo's/execs choose to be bought by. In the end money talks but there's extras to consider sometimes.

roadkillers1430d ago

I am as well. They do not own any IPs from my understanding...

DOMination-1430d ago

Me too! After looking them up, it seems like they were the parent of other game studios: Lab42, Red Kite, Sumo India, The Chinese Room and PixelAnt Games and also have some cryptocurrency technology.

They may also still hold the IP for back when they were Gremlin Interactive.. back in the Amiga days they were really a dev of some repute.

ScootaKuH1430d ago

Gremlin. Now there's a name that takes me back. Ocean as well.

Teflon021430d ago

They're not, it's likely them just throwing money around to make sure they have no opposition. Sumo is a valuable developer as they've assisted in alot of great games. They did LBP3, Sackboy, Sonic Transformed, I believe Assisted in both ModNation Racers and LBPK, Team Sonic racing, just to name the few off the top of my head that I own.

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IRetrouk1430d ago

I honestly thought ms or Sony would have nabbed them, seeing as they have worked for both on their respective ips, colour me surprised.

Bennibop1430d ago

It's a lot of money for a group with no ips, what would they have worked on to keep so many studios and staff employed. For now at least they continue working on ips for the likes of Sony and Microsoft.

IRetrouk1430d ago

Sony and ms have more than enough ips to keep em busy, the price would have been an issue though, that I agree with, just surprised is all🤷‍♂️

frostypants1430d ago (Edited 1430d ago )

Tencent doesn't exactly pride themselves on original IP anyway. They just steal someone else's. They only need developer drones.

Sephiroushin1430d ago

They have enough to make them busy but there is no point in buying the studio that high, they could just make the developers some offers and thats it... heck every single developer could just quit the studio and with what is tensen left? no point in buying a studio with no IP you dont own the developers

IRetrouk1430d ago

I already agreed that the price was high, still don't take away that they could have been used, and be useful to either ms or sony

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Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Preview/Hands on Impressions (BETA) - CG

Microsoft recently released their Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Beta which allows users the opportunity to stream Xbox games to their Windows 10 PCs or laptops. This follows on from being able to use the cloud gaming on mobile devices which works very well but is limited to the size of your screen. Having the option to play Xbox games with a larger display has its obvious benefits.

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Crackdown 3 8K 60 FPS - Possible at Low-Medium Settings with an RTX 3090

CG writes: Nvidia’s claims that the RTX 3090 can render games in 8K at 60 FPS, ring true for us in this video. We put the game Crackdown 3 through its paces with some interesting results.

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bunt-custardly1707d ago

If you've ever super-sampled anything you would know why it can make things look better.

bouzebbal1707d ago

Let's talk about powahhhh of da clawwdd for a second 🤣did they give up with this thing?

bunt-custardly1707d ago

Oh right, I didn't get the joke sorry, it just clicked. Hmm, is Crackdown 3 really that bad/universally hated especially as it's on gamepass?

SullysCigar1707d ago

My attempt at humour could have been clearer, in hindsight..!

Yeah, sadly Crackdown 3 had been hyped so hard and so long by Microsoft, that when it launched as a mediocre game, it got panned. It was mainly the broken promises about the power of the cloud I think that did it. This was the 'cloud power' poster child for years and it all amounted to nothing, which is a real shame, because if they'd realised their initial vision it could have been special.

bunt-custardly1707d ago

I do remember the original vision where entire buildings could be demolished but wasn't that feature relegated to the multiplayer mode? For me, Crackdown 3 comes across quite generic. I suppose if it had the full destruction in the story mode that would have been bad-ass. If Red Faction Guerrilla can do it why not CD?

FanboySpotter1707d ago

Crackdown 3 was made for crackdown fans. Hated by non crackdown fans. Enjoyed by crackdown fans.

MadLad1707d ago

I played it on PC for a little while via gamepass. It's not nearly as terrible as people would try to make it out to be, but it's the definition of a "meh" game.
There's fun to be had if you're bored.

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andy851707d ago

It's good it's possible but who would pick this over 4K60 on ultra? It would look far better

IanTH1707d ago

100%. This is obviously just showing what can be done with the current highest end hardware, rather than what should be. And if you're splashing out for an RTX 3090 over a 3080 for gaming (small performance delta if not using that huge buffer for productivity), then I guess you'll also consider splashing out for an 8k screen. And, I mean, you'll want to be able to do *something* with it lol.

outsider16241707d ago

Let's be honest here, even with extra high settings at 8k 120fps... it'll still look like crap. Sorry.

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