Scorpio Has Enough Power In Principle To Deliver 4K/60fps,Our Engine Is Scaleable:Project CARS 2 Dev

Slightly Mad Studios' Andy Tudor already confirmed a few days ago that the studio does not plan on holding back the Xbox Scorpio version of Project CARS 2 because of the comparatively weaker PS4 Pro, and that they will instead look into leveraging the Scorpio the best that they can. Apparently, the reason they can do so is because of their PC development spec, which allows them to detect different hardware configurations already, and scale their offering accordingly.

[zivtheawesome]

The fact that he said "in principle" is interesting. Maybe a cpu bottleneck is holding the GPU back from being 60 fps?
Edit: nvm they just dont know yet

[slavish0]

The game is in early Development

[dumahim]

Wouldn't call it early. It's supposed to be out in a few months.

[moegooner88]

No it isn't. It is slated for release this year.

[freshslicepizza]

Every multiplat title should be scalable to the hardware it's on.

[butchertroll]

Game is slated for this year. So, game is not in early development.

[TheCommentator]

Not really. The devs appear to be deciding on if resolution or PQ is more important from what I've read. There's always going to be trade offs no matter how powerful a system is.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

You're so salty

All the PS fans hoping there is some secret CPU bottleneck

[butchertroll]

Jaguar is a bottleneck in Scorpio ( and in other consoles too ), like it or not. You should go back to reality.

[yeahokwhatever]

Its no secret. The CPU is the bottleneck in both the Scorpio and PS4(and PS4 Pro). The entire xb1 is a bottleneck.

[MegamanXXX]

I'm going to do a wait and see approach with the Scorpio. I wanna see if open world games and other genre's like games like Dues EX will be in 4K 60fps

[steveo123456]

I know it's funny

[jasonpugh]

I like all the folks who already talk about the bottleneck like they helped develop the system. Fact is they don't know how much of a true bottleneck it will be and they're just mad that the PS4 Pro has a break neck CPU.

[Aenea]

There's nothing secret about it, it's a known given only some people can't seem to accept that...

[bluefox755]

"secret CPU bottleneck"
Lol, you're not a PC gamer are you? Bottlenecks aren't imaginary, they're very real. Anyone who has ever put a powerful GPU in a PC with an older, slower CPU will tell you the same thing. Even Digital Foundry said that Scorpio will suffer bottlenecking.

[Knockknock]

What bottleneck?

[butchertroll]

Oh yes, bottleneck exists. :D

[Liqu1d]

From the article.

"In principal because we really don't know until we get things up and running and see what it can do."

[bluefox755]

It's a racing sim, so if any game will be able to do it, it'll be a racing sim. You're right though, that CPU will absolutely be bottlenecking games. There's no way around it.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Possible bottleneck? But who knows.

[stuna1]

You know you can't say that! When someone say "In principal" they are saying it's a unknown!! And that can in fact be viewed as theoretical or a theory. Also of note is that the heavily modified Jaguar CPU that's reported to be in the Scorpio is only .2 gigaflops stronger than the PS4's Jaguar CPU! So more than likely there is some type of bottleneck present somewhere.

Just showing a still shot of Forza with some numbers at the top supposedly confirming CPU and GPU usage and available overhead is in no way truly representative of Scorpio's capabilities considering Forza has never been hard to showcase 1080/60 fps this gen, it simply not as demanding a game as people make it out to be. Surprisingly notice Microsoft has yet to show any other game from just this gen showcasing what Forza supposedly showcases!? And there a many that can be used! Yet they resort to using last gen games to benchmark Scorpio's capabilities!? No one finds that strange?

[candystop]

Relax...just wait until E3 instead of guessing!

[stuna1]

So I guess Richard Leadbetter was guessing when he did the video about the difference in power between Scorpio and PS4 CPU and why there was a potential bottleneck in both consoles.

[Bigpappy]

You are guessing until you show this secret comparison between the pro and Scorpio CPU. Richard Leadbetter never compare the CPU. Said it is highly customized

[candystop]

Not worried about Richard or what he said. The problem is you and simply you. Come E3 and after we will see the light and can finally debate what we really have on our hands.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

In principle = In practice = in theory = should be able too.

[freshslicepizza]

@stuna1
"You know you can't say that! When someone say "In principal" they are saying it's a unknown!! And that can in fact be viewed as theoretical or a theory. Also of note is that the heavily modified Jaguar CPU that's reported to be in the Scorpio is only .2 gigaflops stronger than the PS4's Jaguar CPU! So more than likely there is some type of bottleneck present somewhere."

It also has a much stronger GPU and 4GB of additional RAM. Turn 10 has already demoed Forza at rock solid 60fps, native 4K and ultra settings while only reaching 65-70% of the overhead of Scorpio's power. Also if you knew ANYTHING about the PC and the overhead used on CPU's when playing games in 4K a lot of that is the GPU, not the CPU.

"Just showing a still shot of Forza with some numbers at the top supposedly confirming CPU and GPU usage and available overhead is in no way truly representative of Scorpio's capabilities considering Forza has never been hard to showcase 1080/60 fps this gen"

Turn 10 has already shown a rock solid engine that nobody yet on consoles have seen to been able to match and that was on the Xbox One. So I guess we should just value your opinion over Digital Foundry who were blown away instead of you who shall we say isn't very positive abbout Scorpio to begin with?

"it simply not as demanding a game as people make it out to be. Surprisingly notice Microsoft has yet to show any other game from just this gen showcasing what Forza supposedly showcases!? And there a many that can be used! Yet they resort to using last gen games to benchmark Scorpio's capabilities!? No one finds that strange?"

Who says they didn't? Maybe they are waiting for E3 to do that and just wanted to give Digital Foundry a taste and also show what can be done in 2 days by one person. They already said there were other things they cannot mention that is still under wraps.

http://wccftech.com/forza-p...

[XiNatsuDragnel]

I can say because I was asking hypothetical question. Something other than Forza would of been a much stronger demostration of Scorpio.

[rainslacker]

In principal means that it is possible, but other factors may hinder it. In this case, it appears they're saying they are unsure that if they will achieve that due to these other factors being undecided or currently unknown.

For instance, in principal, cloud compute can improve the lighting within a game scene in real time without stressing the system itself. however, in practice, the speed and latency of the internet make this impractical on a large scale consumer solution.

Basically he's saying that it's possible, yet that possibility is based on currently unknown factors which means that he may or may not run it at 4K/60. He's committing to nothing, nor actually promoting the possibility as being possible in a working solution. It's just possible in theory. This is kind of true with a lot of high end engineering designs.

[EddieT]

The last game was quite CPU bound, requiring at least a 2500k to hit 60. The AMD FX processors couldn't.

[bluefox755]

*definite bottleneck
Hell, the Pro is even bottlenecked. The gap between the CPU and GPU of the Scorpio will be even larger, so the bottleneck will be an even bigger issue for the Scorpio. It's mind boggling to me all of these Xbox fans who don't understand the concept of a bottleneck. It's not made up, imaginary, or even new, it's a real thing. There are thousands of pages on google one can use to verify this.

[KingKionic]

Great news. I know Xbox gamers out there are pretty estactic about this. Lots of positivity from devs.

Lead da charge to the scorpio.

[Kaze24]

SCORPIO COMET IS COMING!!!

[Sm00thNinja]

Was excited til I saw gamingbolt

[TheColbertinator]

All ready for Project Cars 2

[whitesoxfalife1976]

col, forza is where its at.

[TheColbertinator]

I had more fun with Project Cars honestly. Assetto Corsa a close second for me.

[Muigi]

Cool more multiplats that i can already get on my ps4 :/

[strifeblade]

for people that dont own high end 4k tvs im sure it doesnt matter. But for the minority its great.

[dcbronco]

Higher quality visuals upscaled to 4k/60 might be best.

[kstuffs]

It still matters. Render everything at normal 4K/60 then downscale to 1080p/60. All automatic.

[aconnellan]

I could say the same thing about all those third party marketing deals Sony just emptied their pockets for

[hulk_bash1987]

Hats off to the dev team if they can pull it off. E3 will be interesting to finally see what games running on Scorpio will look like. I can't wait to gett more details (ie release date and price). The games are what will push me to upgrade to a scorpio. Its either that, or save up to finally build another PC after almost 5 years.

[Vasto]

Awesome

[RegorL]

Please help me understad - do Slightly Mad Studios have a Scorpio or not?

“In principle, yes. In principle because we really don’t know until we get things up and running and see what it can do,”

“We are exploring the console now, so it’s too early to give specific answers on those.”

[aconnellan]

Sounds more like they don't want the press to take any of their quotes out of context

[RegorL]

Do they have a Scorpio in office or not?

[Bigpappy]

Sounds to me like they don't know yet, but the power is enough "in principle" so that's their goal.

[Jakens]

Once they said 4K/60 They will need/should provide 4K/60.

And yes, I'm ignoring the words “In principle" on purpose.

Edit: I want this game.

[Tussin187]

Well I think it's because they are still under NDA and can't really say anything until E3 when MS officially announces it. After that the flood gates will open with information.

[rainslacker]

They're giving non-commital answers, because at this time they don't know what they will deliver. Given the climate, if they say that it's definately going to be there, but they end up not being able to achieve it for some reason, then people will call them liars, lazy ,or poor devs that can't optimize.

In principle, even the PS4 Pro is capable of 4K/60, doesn't mean that it will actually achieve that in most games. Without actually implementing or at least knowing the specifics of the design in question, it's impossible to say what the final outcome may be without knowing everything about the system, and even then, things change. At this time, it would appear that they haven't decided how they're going to use the extra power....only that they will utilize that extra power without parity being a consideration.

[RegorL]

It is not the non-commital versus 4k/60 I react to, it is the double vague message regarding if they received final hardware (any hardware really...)

[Shadyceaser]

Can't wait for this and Scorpio .... 😂
I will give these guys a pass .... The difference between the release of PCars 1 and what the game has become are like night and day in my opinion

[Braveheart_NZ]

If its a DX12 game then it will make 4K 60fps. The CPU inside the Scorpio is so radically modified that Microsoft themselves don't even refer to it as Jaguar. They see it as its own thing. As for DX12 it doesn't need the Scorpio's CPU.. They built DX12 into the command processor of the GPU and what that means is that, for all the high frequency API invocations that the games do, they'll all natively implemented in the logic of the command processor - and what this means is that communication from the game to the GPU is super-efficient. Essentially Project Scorpio's direct hardware-based DX12 integration should substantially improve game-to-GPU communication and actively reduce CPU overhead

Processing draw calls - effectively telling the graphics hardware what to draw - is one of the most important tasks the CPU carries out. It can suck up a lot of processor resources, a pipeline that traditionally takes thousands - perhaps hundreds of thousands - of CPU instructions. With Scorpio's hardware offload, any draw call can be executed with just 11 instructions, and just nine for a state change. Microsoft, when asked said, that their shader compiler is far more efficient than PC equivalents (think of shaders as native GPU code). Secondly, addressing the hardware directly via their API and with access to console-specific GPU extensions again adds to the advantage of a fixed platform box. And finally, they point to their optimisation software - PIX (Performance Investigator for Xbox) - as a tool that provides the path to console-specific optimisations that PC simply cannot get."

The bottom line is that Scorpio's six teraflops will almost certainly go a lot further than an equivalent PC part. http://www.tweaktown.com/ne...
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[butchertroll]

Sorry, if the CPU in Scorpio is based on Jaguar architecture, it's JAGUAR in the end. No matter how it is modified. You should read the latest DF article ( Destiny 2 ) where they mentioned that Scorpio's CPU is bottleneck too ( of course, in other words ).

[butchertroll]

Of course CPUs in Scorpio and Pro are not equally modified, BUT their both CPUs are based on Jaguar architecture and IT IS A JAGUAR!

You, Xbone fans, should go back to reality and realize that CPU is a bottleneck in Scorpio and it's not a 2nd Jesus coming. I'm doing a damage control bucause i'm realistic, but you, Xbone fans are living in delusional world and according to you, it's OK. Just LOL!
The sooner you go back to reality, the better. But i think it's not the case here. In every Xbox article i will mention that CPU in Scorpio is Jaguar as long you repeating that Scorpio's CPU is next big thing. Like some reminder. Oh, man, there will be some big disappointments. And i can't wait to see that.

[candystop]

Butchertroll versus E3. This will be interesting to see. Until we start hearing from developers I guess we can only wait for the truth soon.

[Death]

There is no CPU in any of these consoles. They use an APU which is a CPU and GPU on a single chip. Resolution doesn't come from the CPU anyway, the GPU is what determines what res a game can run at. The CPU has more impact on frames, but not many people run to store to get the latest CPU when trying to increase a systems performance, they head straight to the GPU section.

[DiRtY]

I am not the tech guy, but even I know that your grasping at straws.

The PS4 had a better GPU than the Xbox One and a weaker CPU than the Xbox One. The result was that PS4 games performed (mostly) better or at a higher resolution.

The Scorpio has a (much) better GPU AND a better CPU than the PS4 Pro, which was advertised as the 4k machine. Now you come up with bottlenecks.

[rainslacker]

The amount of processes a draw call takes up is nowhere near the processing required to actually determine what needs to be drawn. The draw call itself isn't a pipeline, it's an instruction that is part of the rendering pipeline. A draw call doesn't effectively tell the GPU what to draw, it sends the processed objects to the GPU to let it determine what to draw, where the GPU will pull the object from memory, render it based on the CPU's instructions, and then apply it to the frame buffer.

While more draw calls is a bad thing, and allieviating that from the CPU is certainly a good thing, it doesn't mean that all that data that is used to determine how to draw what just disappears, and that is where most of the processing time comes in for the CPU in relation to the render pipeline itself. This is why batch processing of draw calls has become a big thing, which is one reason why some games can't unlock the frame rate from the game loop, thus locking in games to a certain fps.

Anyhow, reducing the number of instructions for a draw call is a good thing, but if you're talking about removing thousands, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of CPU instructions, one has to ask, where are those instructions going. If it took that many before, it's not going to reduce the time it takes to actually apply execution to the function. It just means that when a dev(or the compiler) does a draw call, it only has to do it in 11 instructions. But on the processor level, it still will take about the same time to actually perform functions on the data in question. That data processing doesn't just disappear because the instruction set is now simplified on the command level.

There is a difference between command instructions and processing institutions. Command instructions are things that happen outside the processor to move data around. The processing instructions are the things that happen within the processor which will execute when a function it's capable of are passed to the processor, and can be thousands, or hundreds of thousands of instructions, within the processor itself.

One thing to keep in mind with draw calls is that MS isn't reducing the number of draw calls being produced, which is actually what's important, but rather the number of command instructions needed to execute said draw call. The number of draw calls is more dependant on the engine. Some engines do one draw call per frame using batching, others can produce thousands per game loop. In APU's like in the consoles, batching isn't as important, as the GPU can do this internally, and the data can move when it needs to, as opposed to waiting for the CPU to send it.

[dcbronco]

I don't believe the CPU will be a bottleneck for very many games on Scorpio. It will eventually be the GPU and that will take a few years. Two at least. The reason I believe they will hit 4K/60 in most games is that Microsoft built DX12 into the hardware. Microsoft has said in the past DX12 could be an additional layer underneath game engines. If Scorpio uses DX12 hardware to send calls and it actually reduces thousands to a dozen or so CPU shouldn't be an issue on a racing game.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

If it can hit 900-1080p 60fps on OG X1 then 4k60 is 100% possible on Scorpio.

[Aenea]

It's only 100%, according to MS their own words, that they can reach native 4k when on OG X1 is runs at 1080p. When it runs on 900p it might be possible...

Project Cars 1 runs at 900p on the X1 and rarely comes above 40fps. If they haven't massively changed the engine I don't see it doing 4k@60fps on Scorpio...

[timotim]

But we aren't even talking about a PC1 patch for Scorpio...we are talking about PC2, a game which isn't even released yet haha. Understand that PC2 doesn't have to worry about X1 at all for it's Scorpio release. The devs can push both platforms to it's max. That might mean native 4k/60 on Scorpio, while only 900p/60ish on X1.

[Aenea]

@time

That all depends in if they massively changed their engine from the previous game or not. The previous engine surely can't do it, not even on Scorpio....

[timotim]

Lol...you have no proof of this though! It's no way you can honestly say where the PC engine is at this current time nor Scorpio and what it's fully capable of with any degree of certainty. Yet here you are as if you know it can't happen haha. We already know the dev studio has made adjustments to the PC engine since the first...it doesn't have to be "massive". We know that PC1 ran on PS4 at 1080p/60ish...no reason why it couldn't run on Scorpio at 4k with that same 60ish frame rate. Especially when the PC version is...

[Aenea]

@timotim

Alright, let's say they indeed managed to optimise the crap out of this engine.

To get from 900p to 1080p on Xbox One they need to render 44% more pixels per frame.
To get the unstable 30 to 45 fps to a nice 60fps it has to almost double it's throughput at certain times.

Both would mean it would need to render 144% more to get it to a stable 60fps on Xbox One in 1080p, that's almost 2.5 times more!

I'm sorry, but devs can optimise a lot of things but I don't think the power is there to do this on Xbox One.

As for Scorpio, well, it would need to render 4 times the amount of pixels per second more as compared to 1080p@60fps... If the X1 isn't running this game at a stable 1080p@60fps Scorpio really, really will NOT run this at native 4k@60fps...
And don't forget, people are not just expecting a resolution bump with Scorpio, to add more detail, higher resolution textures, etc., etc. will also eat up GPU cycles...

Besides, for the sake of argument, if they indeed manage to do this I am going to look forward to seeing the PS4 Pro version doing checkerboard rendered 4k at 60fps, which means they even have some GPU time to spare to increase other details...

PS. the PS4 version had a massive amount of framedrops as well, the dips were less severe as on X1 and yes it was native 1080, but it still was not a very stable 60fps.

Honestly I can see the PS4 Pro version be running at a checkerboard rendered 1800p (and then upscaled to 2160p) and then have a stable 60fps. I'm also expecting that the Scorpio version then would use something similar, perhaps a higher checkerboard rendered resolution or the same one but with more detailed textures and higher visual settings.

This whole native 4k@60fps isn't always the best thing to aim for. Scorpio versions of games can (and most will if devs aren't too lazy) look better than Pro versions, but why is it so hard to believe that even Scorpio has it's restrictions?

[timotim]

I didn't say a single thing about getting the X1 version to 1080p...not one word. I'm going to ask you again...do you understand that both platforms (X1 and Scorpio) can be pushed to there max respectively? You seem to think the dev studio has to start with the X1 version as it's base (900p) and then push that game to 4K for Scorpio...thats not the case at all. One has nothing to do with the other as we aren't talking about a patch of PC2 but a game tuned specifically for Scorpio. Please understand that a 1070 is capable of playing the game at 4k.

[Aenea]

@timotim

It's still the same damn engine, if they can't get this engine to run 1080p@60fps on X1 they surely can't get it to 4k@60fps.

We also don't really know why the X1 and PS4 versions of PC1 were having difficulty achieving a stable 60fps, could've been the CPU even, if that's the case the CPU in Scorpio still isn't all that much better so it might bottleneck it as well.

Again, it's really not that hard, since they use the same engine and it couldn't reach even 1080p on X1, let alone get above 40fps the increase in power Scorpio gives is not gonna lift it to 4k@60fps. Even MS themselves have said that if the game is 900p on X1 it's going to be difficult to get it to native 4k on Scorpio, yet here you are claiming otherwise. That a 1070 can run it at 4k isn't the point, what CPU is using the PC the 1070 is using?

And yes, I do think they can squeeze out the last bit of power on any console, they already tried with PC1...

[nismo370]

gamingbolt.com=Clickbait

[addictedtochaos]

These guys have 0 credibility with me after the first game.

[Gunstar75]

If Forza can run at 60hz and 4k so can this

[RegorL]

If Forza can [do everything perfectly and] run at 60hz and 4k why would you need any other racer?

[showtimefolks]

Project cars had major frame rate issues so please make sure your game could handle steady frame rates

[sk8ofmnd]

I hope the scorpio can do native 4k 60 on all 3rd party and 1st party games. Gamers only win when other companies are constantly pushing the boundaries forward. The xbox is the best company to give sony a run for their $$. Id like to know what fanboys will say if 4k 60 is what the scorpio can do and the ps4 still sells the most 3rd party games, still gets exclusive 3rd party marketing rights, and still has a 2-1 lead over the xbox... What then?

[butchertroll]

If some game is 30fps on Pro, Scorpio won't run the same game at 60fps. You need a hefty CPU for that jump.

[ForeverTheGoat]

Good thing MS did a custom to their CPU 😊

[Death]

@butcher,

The tflop measurement is the output of the system as a whole. If a game isn't heavy on physics, the CPU has very little impact on res and frame rate. It's games that have a lot moving on screen and effects that will need a stronger CPU. Racers don't have much going on that put a strain on CPUs.

[butchertroll]

@Death

Quote 1 :

There is no CPU in any of these consoles. The CPU has more impact on frames,

Quote 2 :

If a game isn't heavy on physics, the CPU has very little impact on res and frame rate. It's games that have a lot moving on screen and effects that will need a stronger CPU.

.....

WTF are you talking about? LOOOOOOOL. PCARS is very CPU demanding game.

@ForeverTheGoat

Quote :

Good thing MS did a custom to their CPU

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As MS did with X1 and Sony with PS4/PS4 Pro. Jaguar is a bottleneck

[candystop]

I don't really think Xbox gamers care at this point which console sells more. Sure it's a bragging rights but as a gamer I will take performance over sales anyday!

[timotim]

If I'm getting 4k/60 more often then not with Scorpio, yet it sells more on PS4, why would I need to feel bad at all when I'm PLAYING the superior version!?!? We PLAY these games after all...until I can play sales figures the I'm always going to care more about performance. Furthermore, Sony can get as many deals as there money allows...again if Scorpio is producing the better performant versions of these games, what difference does it make to me??? Everyone in Sony's camp hated Microsoft last generation for such deals, now that Sony is doing them, they're cool???

As a gamer, I want to play games...since the vast majority of games I play will be 3rd party games...its the performance of these games that will separate them from the next system...then the first party stuff. Sales don't matter when it comes time to actually play a game...all that means to me is there are more people out there playing an inferior version to mine, and while there's nothing wrong with that, I'm definitely not going to feel bad because of it...

[B1uBurneR]

As for bottle necks there should less on Scorpio. 4Pro is gonna put devs to work finding the best trickery to squeeze more POWAH to get naive 4K out of 4Pro.

[DJ_Professor_K]

Just more proof that the Xbox Elite is as powerful as MS says it's going to be Project cars 2 4K 60 frames a on Home Consol amazing for this gen

[MagicBeanz]

Rut ro, its "in principle" now. Apparently "the beast" might not be as beastly as everyone thought.

[EddieT]

Hopefully they have improved the engine because the last one dropped down to nearly 30 on Xbox One. It might reach 60 FPS but how consistently?

[Braveheart_NZ]

The GPU in Scorpio when tested and compared to a PC GPU counterpart performed the equivalent of a GTX1070 with Ultra PC settings in 4K 60fps in Forza 6 Apex according to Digital Foundry. The Scorpio didn't miss a beat and the only GPU cards that kept up was the GTX1070 and the GTX1080. If true then this new incoming console is a powerful beast in the graphics department. Having DX12 baked into the GPU of Scorpio will bypass the bottlenecks of the CPU mentioned by people here because the highly modified CPU in Scorpio wont be required to do the grunt of the work unlike PS4 Pro which does, hence the bottleneck. This is a completely different beast with more modern technology built into it that improves its performance and will help it punch way above its weight and compare it more to a much higher Teraflop PC. The link is below to read the interesting and informative article. Good read.
http://www.tweaktown.com/ne...

[thexmanone]

Good post, but the fanboys here will not accept the facts that you are posting. Lets just see how many disagrees you get. It should be fun to see what they come up with.

[ichdich]

Can't wait for this and Scorpio .... 😂

[Aenea]

Sooo, their engine is scalable, this means that if the power is there it will get used.

Thing is tho, if the power is not enough to reach 4k@60fps, then it won't happen!
This quote doesn't mean anything and is only getting people's hopes up...

Is this engine so much more optimised as the engine for Project Cars 1 I wonder?

Project Cars 1 is 900p on the Xbox One and rarely even comes above 40fps. Now their engine is so optimised they can lift that to native 4k at 60fps?

It's highly doubtful their engine has been that optimised all of a sudden....

Perhaps with the optimisations in Scorpio's hardware they might get it to 1800p at 60fps but even that is not a given....

[timotim]

Except you're not even taking into account the amount of time that was spent on the X1 version vs other versions, you are then by passing the PS4 version which got more dev time on it. The PS4 version did run at 1080p and a better frame rate ( which still wasn't a rock solid 60) yet your are suggesting that a console which completely cooks PS4 on the GPU side can't get the game to 4k??? You do understand that even a 1070 is capable of running the original on PC at 4k right?

[GNCFLYER]

Knee it had to be GB.. Game Bitches...

A person would think from recent GB articles that the Scorpio is a 10 TF machine and the Pro is a 2 TF one.

I can't wait for the Scorpio to be released to watch the parades for the next few years from MS fanboy sites..

[Anzil]

Scorpio will be either a failure in MS eyes or they understand people are not going to be really boosting the Xbox brand. People on here acting like it's going to propel Xbox above PlayStation. You are flat out wrong. Even if you don't like PS you would have to know your wrong....right?

[TheVetOfGaming]

A lot of engines are scalable, which is good. But I'd much rather companies/developers pushed A.I. and how interactive, changeable, and believable the games should be. After over 20 years of gaming the graphics don't dazzle and impress me like they used to. Just my opinion.

[Gotcha5]

In the article it says No holding back the Xbox Scorpio from the Weaker PS4 Pro...So there's no Cosmetic 4K racer for the Scorpio and with Forza 7 on the way... GT Sport better watch your ass!! Yeah Boi

[inxine]

it HAS to deliver 4k with 60 fps, cause with all the praise and expectations it would Crush Microsoft.
also can we not fangirl over 4k graphics? it looks better yea but i prefer a stable 1080/60 fps above else.