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Will Destiny 2 be the first case of console parity graphics imposed by Sony's marketing plans?

Bungie has made some controversy statements these days about Destiny 2 on consoles that affects directly on Project Scorpio.

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2592d ago Replies(7)
mochachino2592d ago

There's no reason Scorpio couldn't run at 1080 60FPS if xb1 and PS4 can do 1080p 30 FPS.

Maybe MS can release firmware update that increases performance to 60 FPS. Bungie wouldn't violate any deal with Sony if MS itself improved the framerate.

AngelicIceDiamond2591d ago

Parity was never the problem earlier in the gen and even now. I remember games were 1080 30 or 60 on PS4 and 720 30 or 60 on X1. Devs used each consoles capabilities at the time and still are. We don't know if Scorpio can do 60 or not but if it can then it should be no different with devs utilizing the consoles abilities despite a marketing deal. A marketing deal should never hold back another console back that's unheard of and crazy.

Wallstreet372591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

Some of you guys make me laugh. You are so ignorant and fan boy blind. There's alot of reasons consoles cannot do higher fps in certain games and drum rolllll pleaseeeee it's due to weak %ss jaguar cpu. Doesn't matter if it's customized (most chips are to fit consoles needs). The slight cpu gain on scorpio versus pro is negligible and still a bottleneck. IF Destiny 2 is 30fps on pro it will be 30on scorpio because of GPU. It might be 4k native on scorpio and dynamic on pro with minor differences :)

As for parity lol run and try to throw shade on Sony lol when Microsoft was pushing that parity bs for years already lol. Most devs won't push for highest denominator on their own they like to take easy way out :)

maybelovehate2591d ago

It isn't an actual jaguar chip, it is based on Jaguar for backwards compatibility but it is a new custom chip. We won't know how much better it actually is until we get some developers doing profiles. They also built a custom engine that helps offload cpu tasks to the gpu to take advantage of that monster bandwidth. At this point, it is all just talk though, neither you or I know what it is capable of yet.

BlakHavoc2591d ago

Thank you! Was waiting for someone to say this

Gyarados2591d ago

It IS a jaguar cpu and no amount calling it evolved is ever going to change that fact.

Wallstreet372591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

Yeah just like everyone said switch had a highly customized cpu lol just like PS pro has customized cpu, scorpio etc.... It's like some of you fanatics just ignore history and every other customized chip that has been done already. Customization doesn't suddenly transform a jaguar chip into this powerful chip. IT'S STILL A JAGUARRRRRR SAVE THAT FANBOY BS FOR PPL THAT DON'T KNOW BETTER. EVEN PROS CHIP WAS CUSTOMIZED. The chip is still weak.

bellyboy2591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

Well said, CPU's in pro, and scorpio, are turd, scorpio's "customized" dont mean jack, its slightly faster but its still a jaguar cpu with severe limitations, they wont talk about it until E3, simply because Microsoft is driving home "most powerful console", and it wont run D2 in 4k 60, so it will be a negative right off the bat. CPU, the dev has said IS the bottle neck, your 100% right.

First party Scorpio games, that's different, heavily optimized for the scorpio, most likely 1st party games will hit 4k 60, but that wont relate to multi platform, different engines, it wont be as optimized as this gen has shown us already.

Hedstrom2591d ago

Stop speaking sense, it doesnt fit on N4G ;)

DAEMONIFEAR2591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

Luke Smith when stating PS4Pro can't do 60fps also stated in the same sentence that they aren't talking about Scorpio but they're pushing each platform to their capable max! If PC is doing 4k60 with the system requirements we've seen then Scorpio is very much capable to run D2 4k60 using the exact same PC assets

And people need to stop talking like you know what the Scorpio cpu is no where does it even mention "jaguar" except for Rich/DF saying that he "thinks" it's a beefed up custom cpu based on the jaguar cores! But just know a jaguar cpu could never be clocked at 2.3ghz and not fry to tell us about it!

The Scorpio's cpu is fully redesigned using more of the power of a polaris chip to reach those clocks and bus speeds etc..whilst using the jaguar cores according to DF so straight up it's not the same cpu in scorpio as x1/ps4/ps4pro the ps4pro is exactly the same cpu as the base ps4 but with nothing more then a overclock which is the absolute max for the jaguar in ps4/ps4pro it's not customized or anything! So stop trying to compare the cpu in scorpio with any of the previous x1 or ps4

Also if Doom has brbeen stated to ne running full 4k60 with high/ultra on scorpio then you netter believe what Scorpio is said to be because that game is taxing as hell to achieve 4k60 high/ultra

So many people down playing scorpio to feel better about their pc/ps4pro

Watch E3 then let's talk about it! ;)

343_Guilty_Spark2591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

The Forza 6 Scorpio demo was running at Ulra+ settings at 4k/60 with headroom left over on that crap CPU.

You need an i7 6700 (4 Ghz) or better to run the same game on PC.

Why don't you stop lying? You sound like Sean Spicer.

Wallstreet372591d ago

Wow Forza a racer lol was running at 4k 60fps lol yeah that means Destiny 2 will also. Do you guys %uking hear yourself sometimes lol Reality check GT back in the days was 1080p fluctuated 60fps on ps3 with dynamic weather and other things so what's your point? Future reference, using closed circuit racers or fighters doesn't help your cause. There was a reason Forzaaaaaaa 6 was used as scorpio showcase lol it isn't a graphical powerhouse :)

Ima laugh when the cpu turns out to be a bottle neck like the informed know. Stop being sheep man. And I'm getting a scorpio and feel free to add me on live, just pm me.

xsta1ker2591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

yes you are correct wallstreet and the ps4pro has the 2nd weakest jaguar cpu with a slight boost in clock
speed.
DF was stund @ all the customization dun to the cpu over 60 to reduce bottle necks and thats just on cpu.
you also have dx12 directly hard coded into the gpu command processers witch can reduce up to 50% cpu
overhead. now I'm not saying scorpios cpu is the end all be all of cpu's I'm no tech... but i can see and understand when a well respected company like DF is @ a lost for words ms has dun a great job.

will all know how good a job ms has pulled off @ e3✌

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mmj2591d ago (Edited 2591d ago )

There is a perfectly logical reason, CPU BOTTLENECK.

The vast majority of Xbox Scorpio's hardware improvement is with the GPU, it'll allow them to ramp up resolution and graphic details but you'll still have roughly the same terrible CPU rendering AI and physics and all of the other operations the CPU is responsible for.

zivtheawesome2591d ago

yea i try to explain yesterday to some people that claimed that because BF1 could run at 60fps on the pro then this game could do native 4k 60 on scorpio in D2 without realizing that these are 2 DIFFERENT games with DIFFERENT ENGINE that cause different performence results.

maybelovehate2591d ago

Except we have no idea if the CPU will be a bottleneck. It is not a Jaguar chip, it is only based on Jaguar for BC. It is a custom chip with a specialized component to help offload cpu tasks to the gpu.

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Ausbo2591d ago

Read the piece on scorpio and how they have offloaded CPU processes into the GPU.

zivtheawesome2591d ago

@ImGumbyDammit your argument is flawed from it's base: your claim is that the DX12 integration reduces CPU load significantly therefore it could work and while that you ain't wrong about that fact there are two HUGE problem with your argument. the big problem is that as of now almost all games do not support DX12 and it's benefits. DF already confirmed that DX11 won't recieve the benefits of hardcoding DX12 to the cpu therefore the supposed 50% efficiency boost. the second problem is that even if D2 supports DX12 (which is unlikely), the X1 already had most of the DX12 hardcoding (confirmed by DF) so the efficiency boost may be much lower than supposed 50%.

xsta1ker2590d ago

ya my 2 ford mustags gt's are the same also with the same 302 engine but my stock stang only has 300 hp
but the other has performance parts and has 500+hp but ya same terribel engine.

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andrewsquall2591d ago

Who said Xbone can do Destiny 2 at 1080p 30fps?

OpenGL2590d ago

The fact that regular Forza 6 runs at 1080p / 60fps on the launch Xbone should be a sign that it's not a particularly demanding game. Most multiplatform titles do 900p / 30fps (with drops) on the Xbox One.

Princess_Pilfer2590d ago

Yeah, there is. Bungie outright stated that the CPU is the bottleneck on the PS4 pro. The Scorpio CPU is supposed to be better, it's still a Jaguar as far as we know, and Jaguars are still garbage CPUs, so it's entirely possible they can't do 60 FPS at any resolution, regardless of GPU.

rainslacker2590d ago (Edited 2590d ago )

1080/60 may be possible if we assume that the physics engine isn't a problem. I don't think Bungie is going to offer that choice though since they seem to want frame rate parity between the different consoles within at least the PS brand. I don't know if they'll feel the same with the Xbox brand though. It may be possible to interpolate frames to achieve 60fps though, but that's kind of tricky in an online shooter.

I'm not even sure why it even matters. Destiny 1 has been around a good long while. I've never seen people complaining about the 30fps to such a degree that I think it was that big of an issue. I think all this 60/30 discussion is such a niche issue within the community, and that the vast majority don't really care that much.

I'm fine for people asking for it, but up above, there are some people going to great lengths to act like their life is ruined by this. Some of those same people never had anything good to say about destiny in the first place, or grew tired of it early....so I'm not sure what they're hoping for from D2.

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Majin-vegeta2592d ago

This dumb and the author should feel dumb for writing this crap.If it has parity it's cuz Biggie doesn't want to alienate the OG X1 owners(which would most likely ensue a shizznitstorm against M$ from those early X1 adopters)Having to play against people who have a higher framerste giving them a bigger advantage same thing with PS4/PS4PRO.

Liqu1d2592d ago

Lots of desperate Xbox fan blogs spreading nonsense have been getting submitted lately. The Scalebound IP extension was another one. Filled with false rumours and ridiculous speculation. You have Ryan McAffrey and Jez Corden shaking their MS branded pom poms in this article, the latter even admits that he doesn't know if D2 can run at 60fps on Scorpio but that doesn't stop him saying "Scorpio would easily run D2 at 60fps".

And saying that D2 can run a 4k 60fps because Forza can run at 4k 60fps is ridiculous. They are completely different games with different engines, Forza is a 1st party game with an engine highly optimised for Xbox. Looks like "console parity" will be the excuse a few people use if Scorpio doesn't live up to some peoples ridiculous expectations.

There's no evidence to suggest D2 on Scorpio will be held back, just excuses from desperate individuals. It will absolutely run at a higher resolution than the PS4 Pro.

freshslicepizza2592d ago

Didn't they already say it will be native 4K on the PS4 pro? Plus the game doesn't have to be 4K 60fps, they could offer 1080p or checkerboard renedring on Scorpio and 60fps. If Scorpio doesn't have any real advantage performance wise it has Sony wanting parity all over it!

Liqu1d2592d ago (Edited 2592d ago )

They just said 4K, doubt it'll be native 4K on the Pro.