Dynamic 4K Games Only On PlayStation | PS4 Pro

Play these amazing 'Only On PlayStation' games in dynamic 4K on PS4 Pro with your 4K display. Horizon Zero Dawn and The Show 17 Available Now.

[Neonridr]

Interesting that we have to use the word Dynamic before the title. You can bet your arse MS will make it a point to highlight the lack of dynamic resolution with Scorpio if they can get away with it.

[Bigpappy]

You noticed that too. They not it is great but real for some reason that's offensive with Anna shot at PlayStation Pro

[ocelot07]

@NewMonday they already have done with this PS4 Pro trailer. "Only on PlayStation" these titles simply can't be played on any other platform other than PS4. People may not like it but Microsoft can't say that with what ever titles they have coming.

[Bigpappy]

I was speaking into my phone I didn't type that. Any way. Dynamic 4K is great (offered by Sony). Real 4K is offensive (offered by M$).

[indysurfn]

@Bigpappy we have all been there with speaking into text on our cell phones :) No problem.

[GtR35olution]

True 4k resolution vs checkerboard 4k. A lot of people think checkerboard 4k is just upscaled 4k but they'd be wrong. It doesnt matter i know to some people because suddenly if a game isnt true 4k its rubbish. Anyway, the wizardry of horizon zero dawn is flipping amazing because with its checkerboard 4k resolution it looks a lot better than the witcher 3 in 4k on my pc. Gran turismo beta looks amazing also. Gow 4, days gone and tlou 2 looks amazing so I can't imagine what those games will look like on the ps4 on release day

[Babadook7]

A few months ago console gamers were happy with 1080p. Now we complain about 'dynamic' 4k? 🙄

[Kingcorey13]

comming from a guy who's been playing dynamic 1080p for 3 years now

[Death]

@Gtr,

Are you saying the games on your 4K PC would look better if they were checkerboard rendered instead of native 4K? You do know you can go into settings and lower the resolution if it makes it look better to you.

[Angeljuice]

"They not it is great but real for some reason that's offensive with Anna shot at PlayStation Pro"

WTF language is that ? It makes no sense at all.

*Just read the explanation, you don't by chance use a Windows phone do you?

[TheUndertaker85]

@Angeljuice: Cortana smacks the shit out of Siri and Alexa in both comprehension and functionality. They're also known as Microsoft Phones, not Windows Phones.

Doesn't seem like you've checked out Windows 10 on a Microsoft Phone or even bothered to check one out. I've owned 2. One with Windows 8, one with 10. Even the Windows 8 talk to text smacks the shit out of the other two and Windows 10 makes it even better.

[dantesparda]

I think its really sad and pathetic how people (fanboys) really think that all Scorpio games are going to be native 4K. Are you people in for a rude awakening. 6TF aint sh!t.

[tyasia0]

Scorpio might have 4k but it doesn't have dynamic games.

[C-H-E-F]

ahh, i see what you did there +1

[Kribwalker]

That you know of

There I fixed your trolling attempt for you

[indysurfn]

LOL....all you guys going back and forth is hilarious!

[thexmanone]

tyasia0 might have the ability to troll, But this attempt is not thought out well.

[Master of Unlocking]

Yes it will, most of its games will be in dynamic 4K, not native 4K, just like on the PS4 Pro. You'll see. We're not there yet on consoles. You're kidding yourself if you think you're gonna get exactly the equivalent of those monster PCs worth 1500$ or so on a 500-600$ console.

[Death]

@Master,

I agree completely. If the games are all native 4K it will mean devs aren't pushing the hardware with higher quality assets. The big difference between the two is Microsoft isn't locking the hardware and forcing parity.

[ShadowKnight]

It will always be about the games

[XanderZane]

It'll have Native 4K games. Games that were dynamic on the XBox One will become native games once patched on the Scorpio.

[TheUndertaker85]

Yeah right?

With that 4K upscaler in your 4K TV upscaling content dynamically. Dynamic resolution everyone. A feature already included in most 4K TVs.

I can do dynamic 4K with a Xbox 360 or PS3 with a HDMI input. I already watch dynamic 4K content via my satellite provider. I can watch YouTube videos in dynamic 4K even.

Literally any 1080 content on a 4K display supporting upscaling goes to dynamic 4K.

[Babadook7]

"I can do dynamic 4K with a Xbox 360 or PS3 with a HDMI input"

false.

[PhilSpincer]

Whats really interesting is that this seems to be a reel of 2017 games which also includes God of War. Could it be....

[mkis007]

my first thought as well.

[kevnb]

Scorpio games will be only slightly better than ps4 pro, let's not kid ourselves.

[Kribwalker]

Most PlayStation gamers and the head of PlayStation itself has always lead you to believe differently this gen, going so far yo state native resolution makes you a better gamer
https://www.google.ca/amp/s...

Me, I haven't noticed a big difference, but others have said it was big enough to cause headaches and stop the ability to snipe people.

[Neonridr]

define "slightly".. I mean I seem to remember back in 2013 that 900p -> 1080p being a big deal. But technically say 1800p -> 2160p is more of a pixel increase in the end. So when you say slightly.. what do you mean by that?

[Ju]

"slightly"...A game like HZD in 4kCB will probably look the same as a native 4K on Scorpio. Well, and while % wise 900p vs. 1080p is identical to something 1800p vs 2160p it has a 4 times higher pixel density and one would need 4 times better vision to recognize the difference. But, lets laugh when the thing finally releases, now, shall we?

[rainslacker]

The actual perceptible difference in resolution may be so marginal that many won't even notice. I'm sure many gamers will be able to tell the difference when the articles come out stating what resolution something is.

[Rhythmattic]

MS will Bankroll and reinstate Lens of truth.

[Bruh]

You'll see a bigger difference than from Xbox One and to PS4 at the moment and lets not try and act like that wasn't a big deal lol

[Babadook7]

@Bruh The difference in visible image quality will be about 1/4 what it was with ps4 over xbone. Due to it being a similar % increase in pixels but on 4x the display density.

Ju summarizes the situation quite clearly above. In terms of image quality, Sony took the right approach. They are reaching 4k with significantly less bandwidth and gpu power than normally is used.

If scorpio has an advantage it would be in small increases in assets.

[Rude-ro]

They did not flaunt dynamic resolution on the one... they just lied and said 1080p...

[Ju]

This is a total counter to OneS's "Gaming and 4K entertainment system" ;)

[andrewsquall]

Sweet so it literally is the thing they are focusing on like the "disastrous" PS4 Pro reveal as some people put it. "Why didn't Sony mandate 60fps 1080p instead???" When Microsoft does the same resolution focus at their reveal 9 months later it will be the "game changer" of the generation for some people.

[DarXyde]

It's a form of marketing that, if uninformed, comes off as misleading. So you're aware, Microsoft utilized similar marketing practices when advertising the Xbox One S. They marketed it as the only HDR- compatible UHD Blu-ray player with 4k upscaling. They were allowed to do that because it's accurately the only device capable of all three. "Dynamic 4K", I would argue, is more concise and honest.

[Neonridr]

true, but it will look interesting next to MS's marketing for Scorpio when it just says 4K without the asterisk

[rainslacker]

4K marketing in general has been like this. The TV and UHD/Bluray makers are using these same multiple marketing terms to make things as confusing as possible. Even the articles which try to explain it are confusing, because they only focus in on actual real UHD specs, not all the various marketing terms that individual device or display makers use to make their crappy stuff seem like it's more than it is.

[LexHazard79]

Thats not true because MS tells devs to use dynamic resolutions. With Scorpio you will just have less games being upscaled.

[Corpser]

Without Dynamic it would be false advertising

[Ju]

So, if there is only one game not running native 4k on the Scorpio you will then argue the same, I suspect? Because there are plenty of native 4K games on the Pro

[Corpser]

^ no there isn't "plenty" of native 4K games on pro, there's maybe 10 and all are undemanding games like NBA 2k and indie games.

[Bruh]

@Ju

You can def say 4K gaming when the games in your highlight reel are running at native 4K. But the games they're showing don't and thus its false advertising to state 4K gaming instead they use " Dynamic 4K" as pretty every game in that reel ( aside from GOW) runs checkerboard 4K

[Imalwaysright]

@ Ju

If its less than 2% of games in native 4K (LMAO at "plenty") like the PS4 pro then yes.

[Ju]

Right. And the non released console with no games so far gets a blank check. Why don't we discuss this, when it finally drops. And until then I will punish myself with the oddity of being pressured to play games using an inferior CB rendering technique. Actually, I can't even feel punished. Unfortunately, the game I play most is FIFA in 4K@60fps. But I guess there sure is a reason, why this doesn't count.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

As a gamer, I find more interesting the "only on ps4" part, is something MS can't say anymore!

[Neonridr]

maybe Halo (unless they finally allow that game to be on PC). But you are right, MS can only use the console exclusive term when it comes to XB1 games.

[XanderZane]

Until more exclusives are released only on XB1/Scorpio over the next 3-4 years like Phil said. lol!! There are still exclusives on XB1 like Halo 5, Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, Crimson Dragon, D4, Powerstar Golf, etc...ONLY on XBOX ONE. Now go and educate yourself.

http://www.dsogaming.com/ne...

Phil "We’re gonna have games only released on the PC. We’re gonna have games only released on console. And PC gaming is critically important to the company.”

[rainslacker]

And it won't mean crap to the average consumer, because the whole 4K marketing and nomenclature has been completely screwed up since the format became available.

Anyone just learning about 4K, or looking at 4K stuff, is likely to either be confused to all hell, or just be pissed off when they buy something and realize it doesn't actually have all the 4K features that they've heard of.

Dynamic and true 4K are just more terms which mean something, but are lost on the average consumer. To many, seeing something like Dynamic may even seem better, because they aren't actually informed on the whole thing. Even if they are, they may not realize that true4K on Scorpio isn't going to be applicable to all games, and that MS is very much promoting devs to use checkerboarding techniques to achieve better looking and performing games.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"Dynamic and true 4K are just more terms which mean something, but are lost on the average consumer. To many, seeing something like Dynamic may even seem better, because they aren't actually informed on the whole thing. Even if they are, they may not realize that true4K on Scorpio isn't going to be applicable to all games, and that MS is very much promoting devs to use checkerboarding techniques to achieve better looking and performing games."

You´re trying to hard with the spin and damage control. Just like the Pro, the Scorpio is not aimed to the masses or the "average consumer", wake up! Don´t you heard of Nielsen´s last report highlighting purchasing intentions and awareness for Project Scorpio, PS4 Pro and Nintendo Switch in the United States?

13% of gamers want to buy the Scorpio and 15% want to buy the Pro. The difference between the two is only 2% and bare in mind that Pro is on the shelves for 6 months now while the Scorpio hasn´t be revealed, doesn´t even have a release date or price tag yet.

So yes, gamers are well aware of True and Dynamic 4K really means.

[DigitalRaptor]

You're wrong.

Even the non-average consumers who bought the XB1 were a relatively small number, so the Scorpio audience will be even smaller, which brings into question how relevant it will be and what impact it will have on the market. Rainslacker is correct about Microsoft promoting their very own version of checkerboard rendering called "sparse rendering" which speaks volumes that they know developers will have to use it, so they're putting it in there.

And the Nielsen report is based on a limited number of people.

[RabbitFly]

I don't think they will though. They wont force true 4k resolution on all titles anymore than neither MS nor Sony forced 1080p on any of their consoles.

People think the scorpio magically will make this happen. It comes down to games individual code and optimization. There might be more games supporting true 4k resolution on Scorpio, but we are likely to see it handled in the same way we are now seeing on the Pro. Some games are true 4k, mostly older games that have bigger room for optimization, and some games will use some form of scaling technology i. e. checkerboarding. Other games might focus on stability and framerate and others still might focus on graphical fidelity.

[Wallstreet37]

Typical comments from the typical suspects (please see below) at least they put '' dynamic at all'' unlike you know your favorite console manufacturer who claimed certain games were a certain resolution when the game was actually dynamic and the resolution mentioned was reached actually only 20 percent of the time or hardly at all lol

Got to love the hypocrisy.

[ZeroX9876]

@Neonridr

Oh yes MS will do it for sure. Why wouldn't they? As Phil said in previous interviews lately, Power, service and multiplayer online games is what they're focusing this time around. That's what their fan base is asking for, so they deliver.

[YAO-BLING]

someone sounds butthurt

[medman]

+neonridr
The average consumer isn't going to know, realize, or necessarily care about the difference in scaled resolution. People see 4k, they think it's 4k. They wouldn't know native or what that even means if you tried to explain it to them, and quite frankly, many of them don't really care all that much. Much the way most people don't know the varying kinds of HDR, or the differences between them and why the HDR capable tv they just bought doesn't have Dolby Vision and only has HDR10, and why does that matter again? And what's this hybrid log gamma of which you speak? Or HDMI 1.4 to 2.0, to the soon to be implemented 2.1.....it's a lot for the masses to keep up with, if you don't stay up to date.

The average purchaser of televisions or gaming consoles doesn't do their homework and dive deep into specs, connections, hertz, or any of that stuff. That stuff is for people that come to gaming centric sites, or electronic centric sites, not the typical buyer. We're freaks, but we love this stuff. I'm ok with that.

[TheUndertaker85]

Why shouldn't they?

If Microsoft champions True or Native 4K how is that different from Sony stating True 1080P while labeling MS Sub HD? While not every PS4 title hits 1080P and some isn't so native?🤔

[InTheZoneAC]

in the end not all games will be 4k 60fps or 4k 30fps so yes they too will utilize "dynamic 4k".

[yarbie1000]

In other words: Not True 4K Games on Playstation

[CrimzonRazor]

Try to tell the difference with the naked eye because you cant

[Guyfamily999]

I don't know whether my brain is messed up (I've got perfect vision...) or people really are just so petty. I cannot tell the difference between these extremely high resolutions. 1800p, 2160p, checkerboarding of those resolutions... they all look the same to me, great. I sit LITERALLY 3 feet from my TV and I can't tell the difference in clarity between the last of us at 1800p vs 2160p (same game, same still image on screen).

In regards to the Scorpio, maybe some people can see this noticeable and impactful difference but I'm not one of them. I mean by the time the Scorpio comes out it'll likely be 150 dollars more than the Pro (I'm guessing 350 vs 500). Unless you've somehow got a backlog of 4K blu-rays I don't see how it's worth it.

Hopefully some good BLIND tests make it to YouTube eventually that show that most people can't see the difference between checkerboard and native no matter how close they are.

[C-H-E-F]

@texag2011 sounds like you have a crappy monitor lOl, I have a 65" LG B6 OLED, I connect my PC & PS4 up and they look damn near the same, the only difference is the fact that my PC is more powerful than my PS4 Pro, but when you run your PC game on HIGH and run the Pro, they look identical. You have to get close AF to the tv screen and stare at one particular portion of the game and then switch the output to your PS4 and to barely see a texture difference. So stop the troll bro. stop the troll lOl.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Similar to 900 and 1080p arguments.

[2pacalypsenow]

@AngelicIceDiamond

Not quite, at lower resolutions the difference is much more noticeable, that's why the leap from 480p to 720-1080p was huge compared to 1080p - 4k. HDR is the biggest game changer with 4K

[Razzer]

@texag

What games are you comparing? Unless you have the same game running on both then it is a bogus comparison.

[mkis007]

I can see differences up until 1440p myself. 900p to 1080p is huge to my eyes, but once you hit 1080p its just not as pronounced.

[gangsta_red]

Hardly anyone can see the difference anymore...interesting...

[Aenea]

@gangsta

It's like all Sony fanboys went blind and all Xbox fanboys got eye laser surgery and now have 20/20 sight!

Both sides did a 180, don't pretend only one side did...

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For me personally tho, I've seen the videos comparing X1 and PS4 content over the past few years, when moving I couldn't see the difference, only with still images and close inspection I could see the differences. I'm expecting it to be the same with Scorpio and Pro comparisons except it's the other way around...

(and if people don't believe me, go thru my past posts from before 2016 and any mid-gen shenanigans, it's there!)

[yeahokwhatever]

Like polygons, there are diminishing returns in image resolution the higher you go. The difference between a ball made up of 20 polygons vs. 40 is staggering. The difference between the same ball being made up of a million vs. 3 million is not even noticeable. At a certain point, it stops mattering. The difference between 900p and 1080p is much more noticeable than 1800 to 2160. Its not fanboyism, its reality. This is the reason I want a 1080p HDR display more than I care about 4k.

[Unspoken]

Perfect vision but your can't see the difference? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself. I run custom resolutions on all my games to get ~60 FPS at the highest resolution possible, while running the GPU at 80-100%, anywhere from 1440p to 4K depending on the engine and settings used. I am able to see the difference between the entire scope, particularly when not using the NATIVE resolution of my monitor or TVs. (All 4K) No matter the settings used, if you can't see how much sharper 4K looks over "dynamic" or check board, you are not running at 4K or need glasses.

[gangsta_red]

@Aenea

"Both sides did a 180, don't pretend only one side did..."

Where did I even specify that?

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But I will say there was only one side that really hammered the differences home, being disgusted at anything upscaled and pointing out any pixel detail no matter how small. So it is fun to see certain folks either staying quiet or claiming there's no difference now.

[indysurfn]

@Gutfamily999 I'm a Sony man this generation (plus with SWITCH). Yes I will get scorpio and currently have Xbox one FOrza edition. But I will be reasonable and say yes you can see the difference. Especially up close. It depends on how Good your eye sight is.

If your unable to tell the difference then your kidding yourself about not being able to tell the difference. Just enjoy the fact that YOU cant tell the difference and enjoy the pro Make sure you have Horizon Zero dawn and have a mid to high range 4k HDR tv and put the game in HDR mode.

Screw the 60fps enhanced 1080p mode. I have not had a single friend that think the extra 30fps and graphical enhancement was worth it.

[BlackTar187]

So gangsta if they were disgusted did they also not play ps4 games that were sub 1080p?

[Ju]

All the opinions of people who claim to be able to see the difference interestingly don't game on the Pro. Very interesting.

[starchild]

@texag2011

You're exactly right. The difference between 4k and 1080p is a much more significant improvement than between 720p and 1080p.

People forget that higher resolutions aren't only about resolving more detail they also serve to reduce aliasing of all kinds. Especially things like specular and shader aliasing, which usually aren't addressed very well by most other forms of anti-aliasing.

For me, it's not just that 4k looks crisper and more detailed, the more important thing is that it helps to clean up ALL forms of aliasing, which helps to create a nice, clean almost prerendered look in games.

[ziggurcat]

@gangsta:

"Where did I even specify that?"

When you said this: "Hardly anyone can see the difference anymore...interesting..." - you're clearly accusing PS owners that might have once said they could tell the difference between 1080p/900p can't tell between true 4K/Checkerboard 4K of being hypocrites It's an argument you often make (PS owners' hypocrisy), and your implication is always that PS owners are the only people who are guilty by virtue of the fact that you never call Xbox owners out on anything like that. Here, you're completely ignoring the Xbox fans that once said they couldn't tell the difference between 1080p/900p who can now suddenly tell the difference between true 4K/Checkerboard 4K.

"But I will say there was only one side that really hammered the differences home, being disgusted at anything upscaled and pointing out any pixel detail no matter how small."

There was also one side who hammered the lack of differences, and who once hammered those same, minute differences last generation, pointing out any pixel detail no matter how small. So, you don't get to call anyone out because there are people on both sides who are guilty.

[Aenea]

@gangsta

Weird, all I remember is one side trying real hard to downplay the visual differences... Weird how memory works huh?

[itsmebryan]

You will be able to tell the not only the higher resolution but, higher graphical Fidelity and framrate. Microsoft can put out an ad campaign saying " All games look and run better on Scorpio. Period!" and it would be simple, easy for everyone to understand, and would be true.

[DedicatedDark]

YEa cause as gamers most of us need specs!

[itsmebryan]

The reason you and @C-H-E-F can't tell the difference is because you are looking through Sony Fanboy glasses. I can honestly say there is a difference between my X1 upscale 1080p compared to my PC. Frame rate and graphical Fidelity is what stand out more than simple resolution. Plus I have my X1 on a 82" TV so I can see everything and it still looks good. The hot wheels expansion looks great on the big screen with 7.1 surround sound but, it looks even better on my PC.

[Sevir]

They same people telling you that they can see the difference between 2160p checkerboarding and native 4k, are the same ones who said they couldn't tell the difference between 720p Battlefield 4 on XBO and 900p on PS4. The same ones who suddenly know the visual clarity and difference of native 4k vs checkerboard 4k, said there isn't a difference in 900p to 1080p.

And there's plenty of proof. Considering that 99% of them don't have 4k TVs and zero native 4k XBO games to compare to the native and checkerboard 2160p games on PS4 Pro... But they'll scream they see the difference and that one is fake, and the other is real but conveniently can't tell the difference between 720p and 900p .

There is NOTHING on XBO that has the pixel density of Horizon on PS4 Pro, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Mass Effect Andromeda, For Honor or the countless games that are heads and shoulders above the paltry offerings of sub hd resolutions on the XBO software.

So before you come with real 4k talk and seeing the difference... Make sure you know Real HD... Because 95% of your XBO games aren't real HD.

[gangsta_red]

@ziggurcat

"...you're clearly accusing PS owners that might have once.."

I'm "clearly" accusing ps owners? Please quote exactly from my original post where I CLEARLY accused PS owners.

I personally think that maybe you and Aenea are so self conscience that you just automatically know which side where the ones plainly guilty of this?
But instead of just admitting this you want to try and paint both sides of the wall.

Im not ignoring xbox fans of anything, in fact most xbox fans i read are making fun of the fact that after being told for three to four years about resolution being important its now on the back burner and no one can tell.

Dont you think its funny how a certain fanbase sets the precedent and then constantly backtracks when it isnt met? It went from resolution and power matters to...i thought resolution and power didnt matter!!?

@Aenea
Not weird, just more convenient for you.

I like the fact that when resolution was an issue it was fought tooth and nail that there were differences. Now you want to fight how both sides are flipping.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@gangsta

♦ ♦ ♦ "Dont you think its funny how a certain fanbase sets the precedent and then constantly backtracks when it isnt met? It went from resolution and power matters to...i thought resolution and power didnt matter!!?" ♦ ♦ ♦

Um differences in power/multiplatform games was not started this gen.

No "certain fanbase" set a precedent this gen.

It extends back to last gen with all the lensoftruth articles. A lot of people always cited how 90% of multiplats were better on the 360 (despite gamepaly being the same) and how that was a reason for 360 > PS3.

Now that the PS4 was the more the more powerful console, the Xbox crowd starts claiming how the differences don't matter and that the gameplay is the same on both consoles and so that is what matters most, forgetting that in the previous gen they were touting superior multiplats. Remember how people were always concerned about which system was the lead platform and whatnot as that increased of the chances of whichever platform was the lead to have best version?

PS4 crowd boasting out about power was obviously going to happen because that's what fanboys do especially coming out of last gen where they were constantly reminded that multiplats were better on the 360. Now Xbox fans are laughing at dynamic resolution and checkerboard rendering because they were constantly reminded about the PS4's power. This will either continue on to next gen or tides will turn again.

♦ ♦ ♦"I like the fact that when resolution was an issue it was fought tooth and nail that there were differences. Now you want to fight how both sides are flipping." ♦ ♦ ♦

Nothing wrong with pointing out that both sides are flipping though instead of pretending that only one side is more guilty. Would you rather he say something like:

" It's hilarious to see that the ones that were hammering home that 'resolution doesn't matter as long as the gameplay is the same' are now like 'But I thought resolution is what matters most?' "

It would definitely be more convenient for him to say something like that.

[ziggurcat]

@gangsta:

"I'm "clearly" accusing ps owners?"

yes.

"Please quote exactly from my original post where I CLEARLY accused PS owners."

again, when you said this: "Hardly anyone can see the difference anymore...interesting..."

you're referring to PS owners who once argued that they could tell the difference between 1080p/900p who are now claiming they can't tell between 4k/checkerboard 4k. and then you continued the accusations here:

"But I will say there was only one side that really hammered the differences home, being disgusted at anything upscaled and pointing out any pixel detail no matter how small. So it is fun to see certain folks either staying quiet or claiming there's no difference now."

and here:

"Dont you think its funny how a certain fanbase sets the precedent and then constantly backtracks when it isnt met? It went from resolution and power matters to...i thought resolution and power didnt matter!!?"

and here:

"I like the fact that when resolution was an issue it was fought tooth and nail that there were differences."

your entire argument here is based on accusing PS owners of being hypocrites, so don't play dumb.

"I personally think that maybe you and Aenea are so self conscience that you just automatically know which side where the ones plainly guilty of this?"

neither of us have singled out any one group as being the sole guilty party, so I'm not sure where you're getting "self-conscience" from.

"But instead of just admitting this you want to try and paint both sides of the wall."

because both side are guilty... you're ignoring that, and only pointing the finger at PS owners.

"Im not ignoring xbox fans of anything..."

yes, you are. I'm not seeing any criticism of Xbox owners who can suddenly tell the difference between resolutions from you, so...

[gangsta_red]

@Ziggurcat

"...you're referring to PS owners who once argued that they could tell the difference between"

So when I say "hardly *anyone* can see the difference"...**ANYONE** specifically means PS owners!?

It's funny because you and Aenea just exposed yourselves and only proved that the majority to blame for this behavior were PS fanboys. It's why you two jumped to that conclusion so quick and easily. Seriously, you two created the argument yourselves.

My original comment was clearly(!) ambiguous for a reason, because it wasn't meant to point the finger at any specific group. It was meant for anyone(!!) that made a huge deal out of resolutions in the past. But it wasn't until Aenea also figured the blame has to be on PS fanboys that I went in with it.

You jumping in to the conversation head first as usual and also just assuming (clearly!!!) it has to be PS fanboys only confirms how true it must really be. You two did nothing but bust yourselves out, even when you two want to try desperately hard to make it seem like both sides do it or spread the blame evenly.

My original comment was aimed at both sides (ironically enough), but you both chose to ignore that and made it about PS owners being the poor victims. Good job.

[ziggurcat]

@gangsta:

"So when I say "hardly *anyone* can see the difference"...**ANYONE** specifically means PS owners!?"

that's who you're referring to when you're saying "anyone", yes, which you continued to do throughout the rest of this discussion. not once have you referenced anyone who went from not caring to caring about resolution.
you're also doing a very bad job at making a semantics argument here.

"My original comment was ambiguous for a reason because it wasn't meant to point the finger at any specific group."

it wasn't ambiguous, you were specifically referring to people who are now claiming they *can't* see the difference between 4k/checkerboard 4k... (i.e. "hardly anyone can see a difference anymore..." meaning, "there's hardly anyone that can tell the difference between resolutions anymore", which is you making a specific reference to/jab at PS owners who were previously arguing that they were able to see the difference between 1080p/900p...).

"Seriously, you two created the argument yourselves."

nope. you made it a point to single out a specific group with your original comment, not us.

"... It was meant for anyone that made a huge deal out of resolutions in the past"

... and you keep referring to PS owners as being the group that were making a "huge deal out of resolutions in the past." what about anyone that didn't make a huge deal out of resolutions in the past that are now making a huge deal out of resolutions? where's your criticism of those people?

[KickSpinFilter]

Just a heads up...at 6 feet away from a TV screen where most people play ya can't tell the difference between native 4K and checkerboard 4K, just a little known fact for ya. Plus Pro does have some games also running at Native 4K. And Scorpio will also have a process of checkerboard rendering also in place for some games.
So whats going to truly matter: Exclusives, 3rd party AAA joint marketing deals, game genre diversity, Price point, What your "friends" are already playing on, The "snowball effect", humm...?

[2pacalypsenow]

At lower resolutions there is a noticeable difference, compared to higher resolutions. On a big screen.

I bet if someone had the same tv side by side, one native 4k the other checkerboard 4k you would not tell the difference. Much different than 720-900p to 1080P

[mkis007]

900p is blurry when you compare it to 1080p. 1880p vs 2160p is not the same comparison.

[Aenea]

@Messaih

Don't be a hypocrite, MS fanboys kept saying they couldn't see the differences OR that it didn't matter while playing.

Yes, BOTH sides did a 180, it's hilarious to see....

[rainslacker]

If you really know what to look for you can tell. But most people, even those making claims they can around here, actually know what to look for, nor would those things be readily noticeable while playing the game.

I really know what to look for because I work with graphics API's for these systems and PC. I basically have to look for these things to do my work. I know more graphics techniques and how to spot them and judge them than most people even know exist. But when I'm just playing games, I never look for this stuff, and rarely notice it, and if I do, it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the game and is usually only a momentary distraction. Like me, most people don't obsess or even notice this stuff while playing games unless it's particularly distracting.

Ultimately, improving general image quality while checkerboarding will show much more appreciable results over trying to achieve 4K resolutions. That's why the vast majority of developers making AAA "cutting edge" graphics games will likely choose checkerboarding on both systems, and in these cases, Scorpio may indeed look better due to being able to turn graphics details up higher. That's actually a more practical thing for fan boys to try and use for trying to promote the Scorpio, because it's going to be more beneficial to the end user, and they won't look so foolish in the future when they start to realize that most games aren't actually true 4K.

Anyhow, when it comes to general 4K media, I can tell the difference. Some of that is HDR making pictures much better(image quality). But it's hard to tell the difference between an upscaled 1080 image vs a UHD 4K image on the screen in terms of resolution. This is mostly because even the modest 4K TV's nowadays do upscale and actually process the image to look better than it's source...even if it's 720 or 480 content. This processing is what makes newer TV's look so good, because they can achieve better results using 4K pixel counts.

[ShadowKnight]

I rather have great game's in 1080p 60fps than games that's mediocre or suck in 4K 30fps

[Bigpappy]

How about great games 1080p/60 VS great games 4K/60?

[Movefasta1993]

and what great games are there on consoles in 2016,2017 that are 1080p 60?

[ShadowKnight]

Most of my PC games can't even do 4K 60fps on a gtx 1080 unless it's an indie game.

[freshslicepizza]

@ShadowKnight
"I rather have great game's in 1080p 60fps than games that's mediocre or suck in 4K 30fps"

Well Horizon does have a performance mode on the PS4 Pro that makes it a rock steady 30fps instead of the regular PS4 which has a tenedancy to dip to 29fps, so you're getting there.

[ShadowKnight]

@Moldybread
And most gamers didn't even notice that because Horizon is such a great game and it still looks better than a lot of games even with the 29fps on the regular ps4 😏🤔😁. Like I said having great game's is still number one over graphics. The new game informer magazine even talks about it. Regardless E3 is almost here 😊

[rainslacker]

OMG...a 1 fps dip in Horizon? Really?

I can understand it can be noticeable to tell if a game is running 30 or 60fps, but 29 vs 30? The human eye isn't so acute to pick up on a 1 fps drop.

Personally, if the only gain in performance mode was ensuring it didnt drop 1fps once in a while, I'd choose better looking anytime. Which is how I'm currently playing Horizon, and how I played FFXV.

[2pacalypsenow]

It would be true if there were no native 4k games on PS4 pro, which there are.

[2pacalypsenow]

More pixels doesn't automatically mean the human eye can see it, same thing with with 192Khz vs 48Khz audio with 16bit vs 24 bit being HDR, the difference is technically there but the human eye doesn't see it to care. Otherwise 4k Blu ray would be killing Digital movies in popularity.

[Bigpappy]

Uhmmm, I think that add was made by Sony. They are the ones selling Dynamic 4K as the identity for PS-pro. I think it is a suitable solution that gives nice results over 1080p if you have a 4K TV. But when people say that it is just as good as true 4K, that is just not true. Almost as good? Maybe in some instances. Just as good? No sir.

Sony didn't choose Dynamic 4K because it is just as good as 4K. They went with Dynamic because the Pro can't handle most games at full (true) 4K.

[cd1]

@texag

You've said that already.

We know the maths, i think what he means is noticeable difference. I agree, as the rez's increase I find it more difficult to see the difference.

[2pacalypsenow]

@texag2011

Agreed which I why I pointed out the bigger screen which majority of console gamer play on, unless you're sitting 2 feet in front of your TV, 99% wont see the difference, I doubt you can see pixels sitting 8-10 feet away from your monitor. I have a Samsung 27" 4k monitor and a 65" Sony A1E, playing the Witcher 3 on PS4 pro and with a GTX 1080 has no difference.

[Gman32]

Dude plz its about 3 to 5 native 4k games on ps4 pro

[2pacalypsenow]

@Gman32

So are there native 4k games on Ps4 or no?

[Ju]

I tend to argue, that HZD at 4kCB@30 looks quite miles better than Fifa at native 4k@60fps. Just saying

[starchild]

@2pacalypsenow

"I have a Samsung 27" 4k monitor and a 65" Sony A1E, playing the Witcher 3 on PS4 pro and with a GTX 1080 has no difference."

Either you're lying or you're extremely imperceptive. I have a PS4 Pro and a good PC and there's no doubt native 4k looks much better on my 4k tv. Not just because it resolves more detail but because it also reduces all the aliasing so common in today's games. It gets games closer to looking like pre-rendered CGI.

It's true that resolution won't matter at some point, but we're nowhere near that point yet with current consoles.

[Ju]

"4k displays make up 75% of the tv department at any big box store"... With 99% of those people watching 90% of content lower then 4k. If they don't game on the pro, not hoping up AA monster PC or by ton of UHD (which doesn't look like the case) than most of those people feed 1080p to their shiny new 4k TVs. The only alternative is a handful of Netflix or Hulu shows which you purists so much decline to accept as "real 4k"

[Gman32]

Sir i never said there were no native 4k games on ps4 pro i just said its only a very few native 4k games if took the time to read my comment you would've known that

[PhilSpincer]

Like I said below. Most people just don't care.

It seems to matter to xbox fanboys very much though

[butchertroll]

In other words, 4k games on Pro exists.

[Aenea]

Can't wait for MS their "true 4k games only on Xbox" ad! Ehmm, wait, they can't, the games are also on Win10 which is NOT an Xbox, hmmmmm....

Anyways, "dynamic 4k" is honest, it conveys it's not native 4k for all titles, if MS does say all games on Scorpio are "true 4k" then they could very well be lying as we don't know yet if it's going to be possible (yes, yes, more games on Scorpio will be native 4k, we don't know if ALL will be yet)...

[indysurfn]

@Aenea quote:
It's like all Sony fanboys went blind and all Xbox fanboys got eye laser surgery and now have 20/20 sight!

Both sides did a 180, don't pretend only one side did...

I swear your the only other person that is open and honest enough to admit that! Looks like playing 3rd party games on Scorpio or PRO will be the next big 180 by both sides.

[Ju]

Omg. Maybe Sony fans and/or Pro owners are quite happy with the results greater than 1080p. This whole native 4k thing came up because there is something you can brag about. All I really wanted is a better image than what I had on the PS4... For almost a minimal higher price. It is still at least 150% than the PS4. No more pixel bleeding on fine details, no more jaggies and a higher framerate in most cases. Perfect.

[rainslacker]

We already know that not all games will be native 4K. Anyone with any common sense and a cursory knowledge on the subject will know this to be true, and those people, myself included, have informed those who are clueless on the subject of rendering, and lack common sense.

Even MS knows that not all games can achieve 4K, which is why they released their documents which included "sparse rendering", which is just another term for checker boarding. MS own developer white papers on preferred techniques for achieving best results promote checker boarding to increase graphics clarity because graphics effects can actually be better, which results in better overall picture quality and more stable performance.

The Xbox fan boy acting like almost all, or even every game in some cases, will be spinning things pretty hard when they realize that not all, or even most new games coming out achieve true 4K.

Scorpio is certainly more powerful, and in some cases more capable than the PS4P, but it isn't the overly powerful beast that some are making it out to be. Even at 6TF, it's not going to be capable of rendering every game at true 4K with full graphics effects in place. The devs that focus on true 4K, are going to have games which don't look any better on Scorpio, because they're putting all that power which can be used for graphics effects into rendering more pixels which 99% of people won't be able to tell the difference between that and checkerboarding to begin with.

[sin7279]

The last of us ,fifa 17 ,skyrim is a native 4k on ps pro

[HollowKnight]

I bet those 200+ upvotes were planted by N4G admins to balance the console wars abit lol.

[CPTN MITCHELL]

And now graphics are important because is 4k...but when they were 900p it was good enough for the x1 fan boys and now 4k upscale is not good enough for them it must be true 4k when in reality x1 had more games on 900p than 1080p

[rainslacker]

Given Sony's first party, I have a feeling that those not true 4K games will still look better than anything MS puts out. Maybe not Forza, since they seem to excel there, but you can't tell me that resolution will make Sea of Thieves or CD3 look better, because they look pretty basic on a graphics level. Stock PS4 managed to make an artsy art style look fantastic with R&C, and even at 4K, graphics wise, Sea of Thieves is nowhere near the same level.

It's great if MS can manage to get "true 4K" on every game....which they won't...but that will still pale in comparison to Sony's graphics powerhouses which often set standards...and MS dropped the graphics standards ball with Halo a long time ago. Forza is the only bar setter they have anymore, and racing game graphics have been on a downward path of diminishing returns as they've become more realistic with every release.

[Imalwaysright]

As if Sony's 1st party were the only talented devs out there. If DICE doesn't gimp Battlefront 2 for the Scorpio I have no doubt that it will be one of best looking games on consoles if not the best looking game on consoles. Frostbite is probably the most advanced graphics engine out there.

Oh and Insomniac is not a Sony 1st party dev.

[DigitalRaptor]

This is pretty much where I stand on this as well, I've said it before. I can't see any MS first-party game looking better than Horizon Zero Dawn, even the standard PS4 version which I can see looking better than the Scorpio patched versions of games like Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 and Crackdown 3 which don't really strike me as good looking games from whatever has been shown of them.

@ Imalwaysright

He said games that MS puts out, not third-party published games.
Ratchet & Clank is a 1st party published game and so will Spider-Man be.

[Imalwaysright]

MS 1st party games aren't the only ones that will available on the Scorpio. Limiting this discussion to MS 1st party as if it somehow changed the fact that the scorpio is more powerful than the Pro makes no sense to me.

"Ratchet & Clank is a 1st party published game and so will Spider-Man be"

Don't understand what point you're trying to make. Anyway the fact that Insomniac is an independent studio if anything proves that Sony's 1st party aren't the only talented devs out there.

[itsmebryan]

That's true. But, look at the Sony Fanboys making excuses for the lack of real 4k PS4 PRO. But, were same that were quick to criticize X1 having dynamic 1080p. Pathetic hypocrites. Smh

[DigitalRaptor]

Oh shut the f**k up.

1) PS4 Pro has plenty of native 4k games.

2) 1080p was an established global standard in 2013, and MS made the active choice to not focus on the highest-end graphics in order to target "broad entertainment" for the non-gamers with the XB1. That is why they have been criticised. 4k was not an established standard in 2016 when the PS4 Pro came out, nor is it a global industry-wide standard in 2017. Please get a clue.

3) Checkerboard 4k looks 98% indistinguishable from native 4k, and Microsoft has already prepared and begun advocating "sparse rendering" for games on Scorpio, which means you're going to be getting the same "dynamic 4k" on Scorpio in a number of cases. The damage control will be real when that happens.

[MagicBeanz]

In other words actual real exclusives on Playstation. We play games while you guys talk about resolution.

[Mystogan]

I love how they are advertising it like its a good thing. It's borderline false advertisement.

[Software_Lover]

I probably can'/couldn't tell the difference. 900p games look good to me.

Give me better textures and lighting. More things going on in the background. Dynamic destruction and weather. 4k is good, but there are other things that I personally care about more.

[andrewsquall]

Its when 900p games still dip to 24fps, that is the problem Xboners had to tolerate this gen so far. Even in Unreal Engine 3 games like Batman Arkham Knight.

[Kribwalker]

Digital foundry would disagree with that statement, As most games have better frame rates at a lower res on the Xbox one while at 1080p the frame rates are dropping on the PS4. They say it's due to the Xbox having a faster CPU.

[Ju]

Which game has a higher framerate on the XBO then PS4? Did you just make this up? You might find one or two, while the truth is, games run 1080p and a higher, more stable framerate on the PS4

[rainslacker]

I think the difference between 1080 and 4K can be quite noticeable. However with today's TV's the processing used on images makes it less noticeable. Watch Force Awakens on blu-ray on any decent 4K display, and it's sharp and beautiful. Can't compare it to a 4K version since one doesn't exist, but that's not really my point.

However, the difference between a checkerboarded 4K image vs a native 4K image can be much harder to tell the difference, and even impossible to tell. More so though, improved graphics quality checkerboarded will always look better than native 4K with less graphics quality. Tried and tested with the industry, and almost ubiquitously agreed upon that the results are more desireable with the former option.

Maybe some devs will offer the option between the two so one can compare for themselves, because I think it's a difference that most aren't aware of. When they actually try to play both, I think they'll find that the better looking image is much more desireable, and may even provide a better experience due to the way graphics can make the experience better at times.

[itsmebryan]

I think it funny how people only focus on the resolution but, overlook the higher graphical Fidelity and framrate. That is something you will notice more then native 4k or upscaled 4K and that is something PS4 can't compete with because of lack of power. That's the facts.

It's ok you can have more than one system. I think if more people realize that all this stupid fanboy stuff would go away.

[DigitalRaptor]

You're right on the money there rainslacker.

Reading the initial articles of when PS4 Pro was shown off to the press:
https://www.engadget.com/20...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
https://www.cnet.com/uk/new...

I read/hear the words.... "hard to tell", "indistinguishable", "almost identical", and "98% there".

For all intents and purposes these are native 4K games. I know they're not, but they might as well be.

[Wallstreet37]

Then you are special lol even the jump from COD 1080p to 4k dynamic on PS4 to pro was incredibly noticeable. Playing BF on Xbox s to PS4 was jarring, it looked like crap to me on my Xbone.

[Software_Lover]

I still play Mass Effect 1 on Xbox One through BC. That game still looks good to me. I do wish there were better textures but you can't expect much from a 10+ year old game.

I'm just not that picky anymore.

[Vasto]

Dynamic?

/SMH

[Next_gen_2015]

LOL are we supposed to be impressed with fake 4k? lol

[tyasia0]

No, your supposed to be impressed by the games. That's what matters.

[itsmebryan]

@tyasia0
Then talk about the games not "dynamic 4K".

[itsmebryan]

I don't understand why they would even say that. It just points out that they have a less powerful system. They should have stuck with the we have better exclusives line and left the dynamic 4K alone.

[ILostMyMind]

I have to agree. I don't think Sony should or need to fight for this BS. Let Microsoft claim they have "The Most Powerful Console on Earth". Sony has games and the gamers are watching this.

[KickSpinFilter]

Sony was trying to be honest and not lie about it, like XB1s AD did claiming it was 4K gaming, but really was just upscaled. MS pulled the AD eventually. But, but Sony, ya Killzone developer did something a little funky on their box art ya we know, all are guilty of it.

[DigitalRaptor]

Can Sony not market their PS4 Pro honestly and emphasise the enhancements developers are making? This is not saying the games are necessarily "native 4K", or just "4K". They are saying it dynamically achieves a 4K resolution and the press have already confirmed that it's "98% indistinguishable from native 4K anyway".

They can do this as well as say they have the better exclusives.

[mocaak]

This might be a hint that God of War is coming out in 2017.

[BushLitter]

What I'm worried about is that Days Gone was nowhere to be seen in that sizzle reel. How long has Sony Bend been working on that game now? 5 years? At least

[Rude-ro]

This will be their march game. New ip, and open world... makes sense not to put it up next to the busy holiday

[andrewsquall]

I think they were working on something else that was put on hold so it may not actually be 5 years.

[FITgamer]

I'm pretty sure they just started on Days Gone in 2015.

[ps3vita4life]

I think it went into full production in January of 2015 so it has a while to go before release.

[BushLitter]

If it only went into production in 2015, then what have they been doing since Uncharted Fight for Fortune? That came out in 2012

[KickSpinFilter]

Oh I'm pretty sure GOW4 gonna drop about the same week Scorpio does.

[Father__Merrin]

has anyone seen any demos of these games running dynamic or not it looks utterly amazing on a full screen TV

[StormLegend]

Dynamic 4K or not, those PS4 Pro games look amazing on a 4K screen and it has some of the best exclusives.

[DrumBeat]

Agreed. TLoU II will look amazing on Pro.

[dmonee]

I was at a relatives house, and he put Horizon on the 4K TV with the PS4 pro, and it looked freaking awesome. A big difference if you ask me

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Horizon looks good in 1080p but it looks gr8 upscaled to 4k, trust me.

[Ju]

Upscaled?

[dmonee]

I don't understand people who keep saying they can't see a difference? I have a decent 1080 Samsung, games look great on it. My brother in law has a new 4K uhd hdr, samsung. The game looked even better on that. A noticeable difference. I am being told, that the game isn't even running in "real 4K". Then the sky's the limit then. I can't wait for the real UHD machines and games probably coming down the pipe in the next few years.

[KickSpinFilter]

Checkerboarded ya mean?

[rainslacker]

That's because graphics quality trumps resolution any day.

[ILostMyMind]

As always. But only those who have games to play will agree with you.

[Ristul]

Looks great to me, guess diminishing returns is a thing, even if 4K native looks a little bit sharper im fine with checkerboard. The games look amazing at 1800p upscaled, hell, games at 1080p looked amazing so no complaints here.

[masterfox]

Seriously Playstation brand makes every other competitor look like spoiled brat that needs some education. :D

[Elda]

1080p isn't bad but playing games in higher resolutions including watching 4k movies or 4k videos just seem to me imo look so much better than 1080p.

[yeahokwhatever]

1080p vs. 4k, the difference is pretty big. However, due to diminishing returns, 4k checkered vs. 4k is virtually indistinguishable. (unless the only thing between your chin and the screen is a bag of cheetos, as some of the neckbeards here have made clear)

[krypt1983]

they have to say dynamic because it is not true 4k lol

[KickSpinFilter]

That's, right cuz when you lie about it like MS did in their TV Ad for XB1s claiming that games ran in native 4K you get called out on it and have to pull the Ad. Forgot about that didn't ya?

[corroios]

What isnt dynamic is that this games will and have sell millions and each one of them is a system seller and microsofr got zero this year. Maybe forza can sell a couple of millions but it will be so far away of the numbers of gt sports that it will be sad.

4k gaming will never be the almighty saviour that so may want to believe. But we will be here to say i told you so.

[itsmebryan]

GT 5 and 6 sold a lot but, were disappointing. From the unrealistic sound that they promised to fix and never did to the car models dating g back to PS2. GT has been bad for about 7 years and hasn't come close to Forza. So, I count for the GT sales numbers but, I'm not a happy customer.

[Next_gen_2015]

Im not sure why Sony are advertising "Dynamic 4k". Its not exactly something to brag about

[SirBradders]

Have you seen horizon, uncharted, tomb raider? Because if you have seen them running on a 4k hdr TV you would know they look great.

The price of the Pro is what smashes all competition.

[itsmebryan]

You didn't reply to this question.

[SirBradders]

i did in a rhetoric way. He mentions its nothing to brag about, well it is when you see the games looking better than a rig that costs twice as much and you see games that don't make it to that said rig.

[DigitalRaptor]

Yes it is something to brag about because it's impressive looking, just like the Xbox fanboys have been bragging about how good games like Ryse and Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4 looks on a 2013 piece of awfully outdated hardware.

Horizon Zero Dawn on vanilla PS4 is one of the best looking games ever made, and on PS4 Pro with 4K HDR is even more astonishing. PS4 Pro was doing what Scorpio is marketing, almost a year ago, with some native 4K and some checkerboard. And the differences aren't going to be stark enough to say that "dynamic 4K" is unimpressive, especially when 4K ain't this established standard yet.

[EnigmaSG1]

The inclusion of God of War in this video makes me wonder if it actually might be coming out this year, or very early next year the latest.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Spring if i was a bettin man...march or april.

[ONESHOTV2]

it says 4k but they didn't even bother putting the video in 4k how nice those games really do look less choppy at 1080p. the funny thing is I have a pro but none of those games shown are on my radar

[GreenUp]

Native or bust. 1440p if you can't do 2160p.

[Ding]

Sony are referring to the NEW/ NEXT GENERATION HDMI 2.1 standard, which ups the TMDS of HDMI 2.xx from 18Gbs [6Gbs over 3x channels] to 12Gbs over 4 channels, which will require a new 48G lead released later in the year... However using EXISTING HDMI 2.0x leads, the 8K pallette [Wide Colour] is brought to UHD/ 1080p using a 2x2 checkerboard matrix whith 4Ks HDR relegated to Brightness / Contrast/ "nits" as defined by the NEW NEXT GENERATION UHD Premium standard.

http://www.businesswire.com...

============================= ===
UHD Alliance Defines Premium Home Entertainment Experience
Unveils Consumer-Facing “ULTRA HD PREMIUM” Logo and Begins Certification, Licensing
Establishes First Cross-Industry-Developed Quality Criteria for HDR across Displays, Content and Distribution
============================= ===

Devices

The UHD Alliance supports various display technologies and consequently, have defined combinations of parameters to ensure a premium experience across a wide range of devices. In order to receive the UHD Alliance Premium Logo, the device must meet or exceed the following specifications:

Image Resolution: 3840x2160
Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
_________________________
Color Palette (Wide Color Gamut)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
Signal Input: BT.2020 color representation
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Display Reproduction: More than 90% of P3 colors
____________________
High Dynamic Range
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SMPTE ST2084 EOTF
A combination of peak brightness and black level either:
More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level
OR
More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level
============================= ====

So lessee shall we children..

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

4K for detail = Check
HDR for Brightness = Check
Wide Colour for Depth = Check

Over to you Philis Spinster. lol

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

Regardless of the resolution, those are real and new exclusives! The ones xbone doesn't have anymore!

[Maxor]

"Dynamic 4K" LOL. I'm sorry but they need a better marketing term. Most people will read this and instant translate it into upscale, and when they translate to upscale they'll equate it to being inferior.

Surely the marketing department can do better than this. Take a page from Samsung book and coin up some bullshit proprietary names like Sony 4K, PlayStation 4K or Crystal 4K. Samsung does this all the time and they've made billions subverting technical specs into their own marketing mumbo jumbo.

[DigitalRaptor]

Nope.... most people read this and think "those cool looking games are 4K and will look amazing on my 4K TV".

Seeing as how "most" is more about the casual consumers than we discerning forum posters who know what the difference between natively achieved resolution and checkerboard rendered resolution actually is, behind the scenes.

[Maxor]

Nope. Casual consumers will be playing this on their 2nd gen 1080p TV from 2010.

[Condemnedman]

dynamic 4k? love the play on words

[Kingcorey13]

I'll take dynamic/2k/checkerboard PlayStation exclusives over Xbox exclusives any day.. wait what Xbox exclusives are comming out? Ha

[ILostMyMind]

None. All of them can be played on PCs.

[JimmyBoy83]

I have just ordered a new TV. Samsung UE55KS8005. Does anyone know if this is any good. I heard it is good for gaming, since it have a low delay 20-22ms.

[kopko]

Well, just read the small letters in the trailer marked with the * at the bottom. It says it all.

[MrEnglish]

They use the word "Dynamic" as the casual gamer see`s that as a buzzword, a positive word and not in the way gamers know it.

My 2c on the native vs checker boarding: If they did checkerboard on the Scorpio and that allowed for much more on screen effects then id be very happy with that as graphically the checkerboard games on the Pro look great on a 4k TV

[trooper_]

I care about the games.

[DedicatedDark]

lol. That is one way to put it.

[Nexus530]

You know what I can tell? Where the great games are at. That's all I care about.

[BIGBOSS08]

Remember when people used to argue about games? Now days everyones going crazy about resolution and teraflops and ryzen cpu or whatever the hell it's called.

[michael10662]

Xbox one games play on Scorpio at 4k native true 4k

[MagicBeanz]

Here comes the salt....

[Doopy]

LOL Dynamic. Xbox can play native 4k with 4k textures.

[MatureGamer1000]

no one cares, xbox is a dead brand. No games lmao

[ILostMyMind]

Xbox is a dead console that has lost the fight against PS2. It can't even play 720i.

[CodeNameTBW2]

I cant wait for Scorpio to comes out so people can finally see their is no difference.

[corroios]

Whats more funny is so many here talking about dynamic 4k without even having UHD, a PRO with Horizon to talk about, because if they did...

Ive played Horizon, PRO, KS8000 Samsung and never thought about the resolution. Is just the most amazing graphical game that ive seen. You stop to take pics.

No gamer that played horizon would care about native or dynamic 4k. Others can say whatever they want...

[Bruh]

I know Sony put the " Dynamic 4K" cause of lawsuit reasons, but it does do 4K gaming as well. NBA 2K17, Skyrim and a couple other games render at native 4K. Even the Scorpio ( I'm sure will have more native 4K titles) may run into title that won't be 4K and thus " Dynamic"

[CodeNameTBW2]

if gran turismo sport is not open world than they can't compete with forza. At this point, Great car controls are good and important but. Grand tursmo has had super good car control since GT2. And all they have done since then is improve graphics. They havn't built on to the game-play. I'm glad a game like Forza is here to keep Grand Tusimo om their toes and trying harder. I'm not getting Grand tursmo sport because i have the last GT game and I have Driveclub why would i get GT sport. I might pick forza now looking at this dlc.

[dennigo]

the difference is inperceivable unless you stand inches from the screen, plenty of articles about checkerboard rendering even by experts who can only see the difference when they're very close to the screen so can we please stop with all these pointless resolution articles.

I'd rather have them focus more on lighting, textures and everything else that makes a game look good.
i have a ps4 pro and very recently upgraded from a 1080p tv to 4k and you know what i don't see the difference, only thing i see is i got an oled now which is way better has nothing to do with resolution.

read this first then reply to me.
http://www.techradar.com/ne...

this is not the only article like this plenty more about how 4k is only good if you're sitting really close or have a huge ass tv.

[Juliape]

terrible !

[McGamer]

Lol typical PS4 fanboi article still dreaming apparently.

[MehmetAlperTR]

4K but just upscaled 4K on PRO.. Not True 4K..

[jonivtec]

Looolol....with dynamic 4k resolution....you will play in 4k 10% of the time....that's wonderful

[cbuc1125]

Honestly this is why Xbox fans are so cringeworthy. After 4 years they finally get an advantage, and they can't shut up about it. At least we have the games to back up our claims. Good luck playing Scorpio menu in Native 4k.

[steveo123456]

Am I the only one that thinks the use of the word Dynamic is false advertising? Yes most gamers realise that Dynamic 4K means Not 4K, but I do feel that a lot of people wont know this and will actually believe that not only does the Pro do 4k, it goes one better and does it Dynamically. Very misleading