Rockstar Rains Down on Red Dead Redemption's GTAV PC Mod, Crushing Plenty of Dreams

The Red Dead Redemption port to Grand Theft Auto V PC isn't happening anymore. The authors were contacted by Rockstar and announced that they had to cease working on the project.

[Majin-vegeta]

Shitty R*😡

[Kornholic]

Yes, Rockstar shouldn't protect their intellectual property. Fuck those guys.

[lelo2play]

Protect if from what? R* has no intention of bringing Red Dead Redemption to PC... witch goes to show R* are just being di**heads with this move.

If only someone would launch a decent PS3 or X360 emulator on PC so people could give R* a big fu** off and play the game on PC.
Microsoft could launch their X360 emulator present in the Xbox One on Windows 10 PC :)

[LackTrue4K]

@lelo2paly

And what's the point to any of that 5hit?

If your waiting this long to play the game on pc. Your a loser,

The game is dirt cheap on an Xbox/PS3.
You're only got your self to blame if you choose not to play it for this long.

[ShaunCameron]

@ lelo2play

Um. No. R* exercising their rights as producers to protect their merchandise is hardly d***headed.

[Erik7357]

They should port it if they want to protect it. It's common knowledge that sony and Microsoft pay rockstar to not release or delay their games for pc.

[ShaunCameron]

@ Erik7357

Common knowledge only to a bitter, insignificant minority.

[Phil32]

Yeah, it makes sense. Doesn't make it any less disappointing, of course. :X

[ChristopherJack]

Protecting it from what? The big scary modders adding post-support value to their game? Oh the horrors!

It's beyond pathetic that you guys are defending this anti-consumer behavior. This is the sort of complacency that allows terrible producers to erode all consumer rights.

It's not as if they were intending to profit from this, if anything this would've just meant more GTA V sales for R*, what's the problem? Seriously, if you're going to defend this behaviour, you can at least explain why.

[DevilOgreFish]

The game was never on pc to begin with. so it was likely a bad decision from the start.

[x_xavier_x]

@ChristopherJack

Could you please explain why you believe this move by Rockstar violates your "consumer rights"? The modders intended to port an existing game, of which they have no legal ownership, and give it away for free.

I can't fathom why anyone would think this cease-and-desist order is "anti-consumer"? Unless, they actually believe that owners of GTA V on PC are entitled to receive other Rockstar games for nothing.

[DevilOgreFish]

"The game was never on pc to begin with. so it was likely a bad decision from the start."
Just to clarify i meant legally. modding is usually done with games already released on pc.

[Senboza]

@lelo2paly

What if they want to bring it to the pc one day? It's their sh*t, they can do whatever the fck they want with it

[Kornholic]

"Protect it from what?"

Are you really that stupid?

[ChristopherJack]

@x_xavier_x haven't you ever heard of Fair Use? Has anyone here heard of it? Comes down to the simple principle: if they aren't commercialising another's' work, nor would it have any realistic negative impact upon their original work, then it's fair game.

Of course, a bunch of guys can't financially afford to debate this. Shame, all that hard work & they don't even get to release their interpretation.

Now please, explain to me how this isn't fair.

[roadkillers]

Remember back in the day when people bought video games they were losers... now if they dont they are losers lol, this world.

[Artemidorus]

They should give people the freedom after a certain age.

The fact people want to fiddle old games is a good thing.

We all know when Rockstar create something, the majority reading this will own a copy at some point.

[Mikerob2007]

haha yeah agree. At the end of the day its their property so they can do what they want.

[stiggs]

@ChristopherJack

"...haven't you ever heard of Fair Use? Has anyone here heard of it?"

I seems like you've HEARD of it but it's clear that you don't understand it.

The Fair Use doctrine is not a get-out-of-jail-free-card for those that infringe upon the copy written property of others, even in the cases in which the litigant's venture in non-commercial in nature.

"the noncommercial purpose of fair use does not make it fair use automatically, since it allows the public to obtain material at no cost that they would otherwise pay for" -- LA Times vs Free Rublic

In certain circumstances Fair Use allows for the LIMITED use of another individual’s copy written material such as in the case of parody, criticism or research but the provision strictly forbids wholesale copying or competing with existing intellectual properties.

In regard to computer software and games, the injunction against the Fair Use provision is even more binding.

"Reverse engineering of computer software in the US often falls under both contract law as a breach of contract as well as any other relevant laws. This is because most EULAs (end user license agreement) specifically prohibit it, and U.S. courts have ruled that if such terms are present, they override the copyright law which expressly permits it." -- Bowers v. Baystate Technologies[30][31].

Please don't come her and delineate legal terms to their simplest level in order to bolster your point. It just makes you asinine perspective look even more ridiculous.

[Goldby]

@Stiggs

As the great Marshall Erikson would say

"Lawyer'd!"

[stiggs]

@Golby

Boom!

[KaiPow]

While it's bad news for modders, that could be a good sign for consumers if it means R* is actually doing something with the original RDR (E3 remaster announcement?)

[Alexious]

That could be the only silver lining....But it would also mean that RDR2 is getting a delay, in all likelihood.

[Marcello]

This is a very interesting turn of events, lots of mods out there for GTA5 why pick on this one :O

@alexious, please dont say RDR2 is delayed, the wait is killing me as it is :(

[ccgr]

better late than never :\

[Nu]

I think Bethesda actually uses modded game code developed by modders in Skyrim Remastered.

[LavaLampGoo]

Well that's a shame, can't exactly call it surprising, but it's a shame.

[PaulKersey]

Typical corporate paranoia. They think people won't buy RDR2 if they have this mod to play.

[Sunny_D]

It also could be that they don't want the mod misrepresenting their game in a negative way if the mod turns out to be crappy.

[Sam Fisher]

Or they just dont want you playing a rdr mod in the gta 5 engine since thats what they are planning to do with rdr2?

[Artemidorus]

So what part did you think misrepresent the game?

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Thats just business.

All these console only guys want to say how PC will never get RDR but then they realize they would be hypocrites for calling Nintendo out on the same thing.

[subtenko]

its their stuff...but honestly there can be a more friendly way to handle this.

[Shakengandulf]

Like?

[subtenko]

anything. how about

"hey due to our ip rights we cant allow this but we want to share with our fans what thry have done. check out this cool mod!"

thats better than just an f u take it down notice. thats a random example.took 3 seconds to think about

[ShaunCameron]

No. R* has no obligation to be lenient on modders.

[subtenko]

What I suggested still follows their ip rules it just goes about it nicer... "hey,we try to be cool but yall cant do that, but we will give you kudos and share these screenshots, you just cant release it sorry"

How is that not better than them saying " f off you cant do that shut it down now"

its just one is a nicer way to handle it. What do you all suggest then?

[power of Black]

So like, if you took my lunch, would you expect me to act friendly towards you? Hell, I would stomp your a*se to the ground. American X style, by the curb...

[subtenko]

That's stealing....this is moding something you own....

[SubZtx]

For the life of me I don't know why these modders don't stay hush hush til it is ready then release it done on the "darknet" it will spread like wildfire.

[bellyboy]

look at it this way, could it be because they will be bringing 1 and red dead 2 to the pc themselves and dont want the confusion?

[subtenko]

R* is awesome

[Dan_scruggs]

Hmm. I though only Nintendo did stuff like this. I guess not.

[specialguest]

Yeah people shit on Nintendo for this which I dont have an issue with, but somehow defend R* when they do the same. Double standards/hypocrisy is alive and well.

[TheSaint]

I can see why they did that, but I would've expected R* to not really care that much.

[hafitz]

I have finished rdr once on ps3 and once on xbox 360. Despite having the game nw and its backwards compatible on xbox one. I am not gonna replay it again. If Take-Two decides to release RDR2 on pc, i will definitely get the pc version. But rockstar and taketwo mustnt keep us in the dark!! Pls let us which platforms u will release the game on..whats so difficult bout confirming the platforms?!! U guys always delay PC version..lots of gamers assumed rdr will be delayed on pc..but in the end it doesnt..pls dont make us wait like a fool! I will buy rdr2 on day one for ps4\xbox one. But if u guys announce it for pc..i will definitely wait for pc. Pls dont rip us off...

[uth11]

so they were making an unauthorized port of the game? What made them think they wouldn't be liable for legal action? You could see that coming a mile away.