RiME's creative director was "crying for two days" after reading comments on the game

Paul Rubio says he spent two days just reading two years of comments and crying at the hatred for RiME.

[Gazondaily]

He would have slit his wrists if he came here 😂

[Kaneki-Ken]

I have would have roast his game and him even harder, if he came here when the rumor started to spread.

[naruga]

Sony has quality control, didnt let him to reaquire the rights without checking first this 'Molyneauesque' type of developer full of talks with poor designs and just a bait demo trailer for their game .....you have the engine go make a genuine original game (an not a lame copy of ICO -Trico) and stop the pussy crying ...

[pinkcrocodile75]

That's the thing about social media, there is no conscience attached to a keyboard.

I don't mind posting here, though there are times when I read something and it makes my blood boil, especially bullying, and homophobia, both I have seen here on n4g. Not that this is a slight against n4g, but merely an observation. The moderators do their best and stop it when it gets started or goes too far.

I think my favourite scenario would be a developer being unjustly hammered online and a response goes along the lines of the Liam Neeson's quote from Taken.

" I don't know who you are or where you're from, but you have cause me great upset and hurt. If you apologise now, that'll be the end of it and I'll leave you alone.

If you don't you should know that I have a certain skill set and will use these skills to find you, and when I find you, I'm going to..."

I think that'd be my favourite post ever, I'd print it and frame, right next to my framed photo or Vinnie Jones painfully squeezing Gazza's b@lls on the footy pitch.

Link to Photo https://www.google.co.uk/se...

[sampson3121]

Stop worrying about him. Learn to write a proper sentence.

[Godmars290]

@naruga:
"Sony has quality control,"

Um, No Man's Sky...?

[Goldby]

@Godmars

game wasn't broken on release. so why did you bring up no man's sky?

[The 10th Rider]

@Naruga,

People keep talking as if the game was cancelled due to quality control, yet Sony's invested in games like the Tomorrow Children, Kill Strain, Draw to Death, Entwined . . . And I'm sure others could come up with more.

[mikeslemonade]

As a modern internet user you need to expect the biggest criticism for anything you do. Someone like me will spin it negatively no matter what.

[Mr Pumblechook]

@Septic :)

If the NeoGaf comments made him cry for two days, just wait until he reads the reviews!

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Naruga- lol I got to agree 100%.

I liked Rime based on believing it was a real thing, finding out they had some fake videos and fake gameplay basically made me lose all trust anyone had with them.

This is a wait and see. Too much Ico, Zelda wannabe going on in this game and I need to know its actually legit, as if they are willing to LIE about its development to Sony, I don't know what they will do on their own.

[pinkcrocodile75]

@mikeslemonade

I see what you mean, and yes people need to have a thick skin when dealing with internet dross. However it's just that, you aren't being pulled to pieces by your peers, you're being pulled to pieces by idiots.

It's like being in primary school, with comments like these;

"You stink, because you do"
"Your mum's a slag, because she is"
"You're a tw@t, because you are"

There is just no substance to their comments.

[Nitrowolf2]

pfffffffffffft its not THAT BAD here compared to Neogaf IMO, those guys can be really rough especially with how little some moderation is. I would hate for him to see what people said about it on Reddit and 4chan.

Anyway, while yeah I do feel bad, at the same time you really shouldn't be surprised that people became upset after hearing rumors that what was shown wasn't in-game and for that matter there was No game to begin with. Its just getting peoples hopes up

[gangsta_red]

But those were just rumors and from what I read here people jumped the gun early and started proclaiming the worse for this game.

Especially because it was dropped by Sony, for any other game its always a wait and see, but for this people were quick to throw it under the bus and back over it a few times.

[JackBNimble]

But I didn't read anywhere that the rumors weren't true nor did he deny that they weren't true, and why would Sony just drop them? They didn't even drop NMS so why rime?
Maybe there's more truth to the rumors, and if that's the case then he should be be crying.

[gangsta_red]

@Jack

The dev said they wanted their rights back to the game. Whatever happened to get them back was between them and Sony.

And I do remember this dev denying a lot of the rumors that circulated when the dev bought the rights back to their game.

"They didn't even drop NMS so why rime?"

Why would Sony drop NMS? Was Hello Games in the same situation as the guys at RIme? Again, the internet exploded with nothing but speculation on the rumors and nothing was confirmed as true.

Just like with Scalebound, we the public may never know the full details.

[The 10th Rider]

@JackBNimble,

But if they were dropping RIME because it wasn't up to par, why wouldn't the y drop the Toomorrow Children, Kill Strain, Entwined, or Drawn to Death?

[Christopher]

***for any other game its always a wait and see***

I dunno. If Nintendo, MS, or Sony drop something like that, I tend to think critically. Like, I was already critical of Scalebound. When MS dropped it, I became even more critical of it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

@Jack- Agreed. Smoke, theres fire.

I too worry about this game, for Sony to drop them like that tells me something was deeply wrong or fraudulent about their development

[Erik7357]

Yea like why the hell does he charge more for the Switch version? Arhhh you got me going now

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol, all you had to do is say "Switch version will cost more" and Erik is on top of it! lol

I agree though, this game just shouldn't be charging more as they are the team that has something to prove.

[-Foxtrot]

Hey don't hate the player, hate the game....then the person who made the game.

[Gazondaily]

Haha!

[2cents]

lol

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Fox- lol!

[gangsta_red]

Lol, for real. For a dev you really have to stay away from the net.

[rainslacker]

Eh, you just have to learn to take criticism, and separate the vitriol from the constructive. I remember after the first AAA game I worked on released, I went online and read up on what people were saying about it. It reviewed reasonably well, and thought I'd see if there was any valid criticism so I could apply it to whatever I did in the future, because I'm a firm believer that you learn from your mistakes, and can see new things when others analyze your work.

Anyhow, It took a while to wade through what I'd call pointless criticism for the game as a whole, but there was some valid stuff there. Even some stuff that was discussed during development, but a lot of it came down to prioritizing what was most important for meeting the release date.

There were a few comments that were about things that I worked on, at least in some cursory way, but nothing extremely bad, so it wasn't really all that productive.

Anyhow, many devs do read through what people are saying. But they do have to learn to not take it personally. Biggest thing to remember is that the people criticizing often don't know the story of the actual development, or why things may be the way they are. But there are times when the obvious is obvious, and at those times, its best just to accept the criticism...because you likely know it's valid and should accept it....then move on and try to do better on the next project.

[boomtube1987]

As well as he should be. Non AAA indies should be banned om consoles. We console gamers only care for AAA games like CoD, Fifa and GTA type games. Playing with our scientifically formulated controllers. Keep non AAA indies out of our consoles

[Nitrowolf2]

Speak for yourself some of the best games I've played are from small Indie Developers

[MeteorPanda]

high level sarcasm detected

[Raiden]

Yep he would be R.I.P, in the first 5-10min if he came here and read comments, good luck to him and his team, may his hard work pay off.

[Double_O_Revan]

Imagine if he worked on Mass Effect!!

[houyi111]

sad..but so true.

[DevilOgreFish]

"He would have slit his wrists if he came here"

Why people gotta be like that then?

[KwietStorm_BLM]

That really shouldn't be funny, but it's probably 100% accurate.

[fatbastard11]

1,000,000 reasons why

[Eonjay]

Lol. Smh...

[XanderZane]

No kidding. The hatred on this site is probably one of the biggest next to NeoGaF.

@naruga
Sony quality control is to get behind games like No Man's Sky and praise it to death until the game is released and Flops hard. After that, they wanted no part of the game and kept telling everyone they didn't have a hand in No Man's Sky and it was all Hello Games! efforts that cause it to fail. lol!! Of course everyone will agree with Sony, but when Microsoft pulls the plug on Fable Legends & Scalebound due to quality control they are the bad guys. So many hypocrites.
I still look forward to Rime and how the game turns out. It one of the games that I was really looking forward to.

[SaveFerris]

Gotta have a thick skin if you are a developer, huh?

[TankCrossing]

Gotta have a thick skin if you *read comments on the internet.

[2cents]

I ask my students to tell me what they didn't like about the latest AAA game, regarding a specific character, set piece or environment and they really go to town.

Then I bring their work up and ask them the same about their characters, environment's etc. and the room falls silent, the realisation of how easy it is to dismiss other becomes vividly apparent to them.

It really helps them respect and understand the 3D workflow and the work that is done in the industry.

[rainslacker]

It can be hard to see it in your own work, because you tend to know the whole story, and all the motivations of why you did things the way you did. Those that do good work can convey those motivations through their work, and remain critical enough to know what works, and what doesn't.

Biggest lesson on creation is that you have to be able to adapt to what is best for the product that you want to create, while at the same time balance that with what your target audience will want and appreciate. I know we say all the time that games are art, which is true, but it's also a commercial product, and as such it requires being able to separate yourself from the work at times to be able to analyze it critically. Being too proud tends to make worse products, but you can't be so concerned with what everyone says that you try to please everyone, because that's an impossible endevour.

[2cents]

Very true.

My outcome of this exercise is to get them to start developing and exercising critical thinking and providing constructive feedback. Developing Peer reviewing is very important for me so that i can prep them for professionally handling dailies, contributing to the vision rather than giving personal opinions and seeing things from alternate perspectives at the drop of a hat.

What fun! :D

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Damn this dude must be feeling pain right now

[2pacalypsenow]

lol

[bluefox755]

Snowflake generation. You gotta learn to take criticism or you're gonna have a bad time in life.

[itplrbear]

YOU WILL GET SO MANY HATERS, MAN. lol.. you're right though

[Gazondaily]

He got no haters. You fail!

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol! I wouldn't say its based on the generation. Its simply the business.

Many people get into this business just not knowing how to deal with people. MILLIONS will be seeing their footage, trailers, demos etc, so of course you will have people who hate, but the reason those people are hating might be do to them lying to Sony about the games development in the first place, rumor is the footage was fake and no game was even being worked on.

So of course users will be EXTRA hard on this team, they need to know that they are not buying a scam, dud, etc

[Vitalogy]

I have no pity for this guy, I simply don't like liars. Next time do not write checks you can't cash.

[Kirkkh]

I simply don't like unnecessary adjectives.

[TankCrossing]

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[uth11]

If you are crying because the hate is unfounded, then jall you need to do is prove the rumors wrong..

If the rumors aren't wrong, then you should be crying for the state of your studio and not because of what some anonymous people said online.

[bumbleforce]

what a pussy

[ninsigma]

Well hopefully it turns out the game is great because the stuff that came out about it wasn't great. Normally wouldnt put much stock in rumours but then Sony let them get the IP back which doesn't look good.

[SynestheticRoar]

Little bitch man the F-up.

[LordofYogurt]

Men are allowed emotions.

[Chaosdreams]

It's understandable. Any human being, when confronted by massive amounts of hate, will crumble in some fashion. But it's a true test of strength to overcome that moment and press forward.

[l3w1s]

Is this a Persona quote? /jk

[Chaosdreams]

lol I'll take that as a compliment, joke or not.

[CrimsonWing69]

Nut Up, welcome to the internet where people have no fear with anonymity. Look let's be frank, no matter what there's always going to be a-holes on the internet. You just need to ignore that and grow some thick skin.

[Trilithon]

amateur

[brianunfried]

Part of being an artist is being able to accept criticism, if you can't handle it maybe you should look for another profession.

[Kirkkh]

Because crying?

[yeahokwhatever]

The takeaway here, if you're making a game, don't overhype it on BS. Market the game after you've got something to market.

[Platformgamer]

That's not hate, it's common sense.
Rime and tequila are fraudulent, facts at hand

[Cy]

Look, if you can't handle criticism then don't put yourself out there to be criticized. I sympathize, I really do, because I've been criticized for things I put my heart into and it really sucks and makes you feel like garbage, but whining about it online just reeks of trying to get sympathy, and I have absolutely no tolerance for that. You cried. So what? Doesn't mean the criticism isn't valid or that no one can say anything negative about you because you're too fragile and need to be hugged and coddled and never exposed to anything that might upset you. Criticism is a GOOD THING. It's how we learn from our mistakes and grow as creators. I have never received a piece of criticism that didn't teach me something, even if that "something" was that certain bits of criticism can be safely ignored.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

If someone can get me up to speed with this entire story that would be appreciated. I recently watched a trailer for this game on Switch and it didn't look to bad. Am I missing something?

[The 10th Rider]

The game was originally a PS4 exclusive. Rumors claimed the game was having development issues and then it was announced the devs bought the rights back and were going multiplatform. People then hated on the game because supposedly the only possible reason a Sony exclusive could go multiplatform ifs because the game is s***.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I seriously hope your joking. So what you're saying is Sony fanboys are mad the game went multiplat and started bashing the game?

[The 10th Rider]

I mean, there were the unconfirmed rumors to go along with it. . . But just look at the comments about how Sony dropped the game due to "quality control", which is completely ludicrous considering Sony, like most publishers, has invested in many projects that turn into disastrous 4/10 games. You can bet if the game gets anything less than a 8/10 there will be people saying how it's unsurprising and how Sony was right to drop them.

It was likely a mutual decision to part ways. I wouldn't be surprised if they were struggling to meet their deadlines and the game was taking longer than expected, but it's likely then that the developers decided to strike a deal and buy the rights back to work on their own time.

Personally I'm cautiously interested in it. It looks like a 7/10 game, but could end up be pleasantly surprising or sorely disappointing. If it gets a 7-8 I may pick it up when it drops in price, if it's an 8+ I'll probably pick it up in the first few months.

[Blu3_Berry]

This is why you shouldn't let your emotions get in the way of development. I understand where he is coming from, but this is why its so important to have an ideal vision and make sure things are coming along together before showing it off. I think developers need to stop showing off their games until it is roughly 50% complete when assets and mechanics are coming together. Only then can they actually show it off without misleading people.

[Darkfist_Flames]

Then he better hope that the game is good, or then he's gona have more than just that.

[CrimzonRazor]

tear tear cry cry no one cares

[Corpser]

He's talking about neogaf, not you n4g, developers don't know what n4g is

[mafiahajeri]

What a pussy... cat 😁

[_LarZen_]

NeoGaf is probably the last place I would go to as a developer. That place is a cesspool. Sadly the few normal people there are outnumbered by what is frankly human trash. And I'm sad to say that when it comes to gaming and social media be it commenting sections or dedicated forums. The majority are immature people and some with clearly serious mental issues.

If I where a developer I would never engage myself with gamers. And I have never been apart or heard of a hobby with so much crap as this one. Ever. And I've been doing this for over 30 years now...it's getting worse and worse.

[rainslacker]

Used to be better when they had more devs that went there and posted. It wasn't always a cesspool, and tended to be where most of the devs went to chat it up. That's one of the reasons they became so popular....along with pretty stringent moderation which kept a lot of the vitriolic crap out.

Now it's more just a very one sided console war where if you have any dissenting opinion you get kicked....even if you're a verified dev....and any discussion of anything that the mods don't like personally tends to get moderated, so it's kind of pointless going there IMO.

Neogaf still has the reputation as being the place to be....and for some breaking news it certainly can be....but it's a terrible place to actually discuss games. Neogaf's downfall is one reason why reddit has become so much more popular in the last few years.

Anyhow, most devs don't engage the community. Even fewer now since it's become even more vitriolic as a whole across the board. I'm a dev, and engage, but not on stuff about my work, past or present. Of course, I wouldn't be entitled to discuss most of my work anyhow, because I don't have that kind of position in the studios or dev houses I've worked in anyhow. That's why most of my comments tend to be from the gamer side of me, although I don't mind talking technical stuff, or having general discussions about the industry from my experience with it....but obviously I have to be kind of general when doing so.

[medman]

I cried when I learned that the video this dev showed for the game in 2013 was all lies and bullspit.

[senorfartcushion]

Don't blame him

[Phantom68]

You are all regarded. Absolutely no conscience and emotional intelligence in this place

[LordofYogurt]

I know right?! All the "man up" and "pussy" comments make my goddamn blood boil.

[cfc83]

So many moronic comments. These devs have put so much into development. Of course alot of them would be gutted to read negative comments.

[InTheZoneAC]

watched the trailer on the ps store today, looks interesting, but I take it there's no combat? Is this like Journey on an island?

[KillBill]

If you can't deal with negative comments about your game then you are in the wrong business.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

But there is a such thing as "unnecessary" or "excessive" no matter how much you dislike something. At least act like human beings when you criticize something. But sadly this is the internet. No such thing here.

[KillBill]

You are missing the point. If a developer is crying for 2 days, regardless of what any feedback he gets... he is just in the wrong line of work. Seriously, shedding tears for 2 days or even a 1 minute over something like this is just ridiculous. We certainly must be living in sorry times if this is the weak types of people in our industry.

[phoenixwake]

Played it at PAX. Gorgeous world, but I haven't the slightest idea of what you're supposed to be doing or what the point of the game was. I'd be interested in trying it again, but my first impression was that this game was designed as art first, game somewhere down the road. It's been in development hell for years so maybe after NMS Sony just figured the continued investment wouldn't pay off.

[Ristul]

When I first saw this I imagined a game kind of like Zelda, you start out on an Island, find some cool loot and maybe a sword, and then you build a boat and find a larger world outside of the first small island. Guess that sometimes, the fans have more imagination then the creator. Still, I feel sorry for him to have spent that amount of time on something not worthwhile.

[TheColbertinator]

Game looks like crap. He should cry if he spent years for that

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Don't be a a$$ dude.

[Bismarn]

what the hell is rime?

[lizard81288]

Well, atleast he didn't pull a Fish and tell them to suck his dick, because he's GOD...

[Kirkkh]

Poor guy, those who can't do criticize.

[The_Kills]

So he admitted he showed off a trailer that was supposed to be what gameplay looked like? I don't understand why he would be perplexed at the backlash when that footage couldn't be delivered on. Over promising his similar to lying, there is no need for it if you hope to avoid possible denounciation.

[BadElf]

Why did people "hate" the game? When the game isnt even out yet? I don't get it.

[Hugodastrevas]

Grow up.

[yay111]

lol grow up

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Don't be a dik.

[opinionated]

"Stop. Pre-ordering. Games. PERIOD."

Basically lol.

I think harsh criticisms are justified sometimes. Like the andromeda animations and oddities. It's criticizing the work not the people. It makes you wonder about the people though lol. There was a similar article with the andomeda lead. He wasn't crying or nothing but he felt it was harsh criticisms. Just take the hit and learn from your obvious mistakes. Outsource the landscapes, resources on characters lol.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah I thought it looked awful as well... oh they meant good comments 🤗.
Jokes it does actually look pretty cool but need to look into it more, Not a day one for me but one for the wish list no doubt.

[LordofYogurt]

Poor guy, Put your heart and soul into a project only to have it spat on by troglodytes such as the majority of people commenting on this article. I used to like this site, now I hate the majority of posts I see here.

[xtheblackparade]

Crying is good, gets the hurt out. After that get back on the saddle and enjoy your talent most commenters don't even have.

[Night99]

Than stop reading the bullshit comments of some losers on the internet. Everyone knows that there is nothing good to emerges of comments on the internet.....

[parkesy78]

PUSSY imagine if his pet died

[Liqu1d]

Should've been more open about the development of the game instead of ignoring the rumours and leaving doubt in peoples mind.

[MagicBeanz]

People are a**holes, factor in the anonymity the internet provides and they become even bigger ones.

[NotanotherReboot]

Bet he's a SJW

[aaronaton]

ha! GGAAYYY

[antikbaka]

Wow, it must be worse than all these people dieing out there because of war

[OutcastMosquito]

So many insensitive jerks on this site smh. I bet you'd all feel similar if you put all your effort into a project only to have it fail and get bad reception.

[Gatsu]

Yeah I agree with you...

[DONTB]

Well, guess it is time to kill yourself!

[khinter]

Two days of crying! This is some serious BS. Fix it then, or move on. Crying doesn't solve a damn thing.

[gums007]

Looks like this snowflake is sad he didn't get his participation award

[feraldrgn]

If you put out a trailer that's all smoke & mirrors, you get dropped by Sony, you then put out comments making out it wasn't your fault...
then you aren't really in the position of trying to make the critics feel bad.
He needs to reflect & not play the victim.

[gazgriff2k12]

who's worse the trolls or the people that get upset by there smell

[Gatsu]

So many idiotic commenters here... 90% of the commenters in N4G and around internet are bunch of assholes.