Killing in videogames is not a sin: CONFIRMED!

Destructoid writes: If you were worried that you'd be burning in Hell for all of eternity because you shot someone in Grand Theft Auto, then fret not, my son. According to the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, a reader was seriously concerned about this, but their minds are sure to be at rest over the answer.

[DavidMacDougall]

In my defense they where only bots and got what they had coming

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

Its fine.Xbots are as expendable as used kleenex

[IzKyD1331]

come on, you guys are being too hard, we can use them as test dummies

[UltimateIdiot911]

But what if we are actually simulation. And the player(God)is actually making people kill each other. And when we kill characters in game, we are actually killing someone.

[JsonHenry]

Why are the people who were honestly worried about this NOT locked up in a mental ward?!

[shazam]

why the hell should i care about what "god" thinks. and how does this guy know what "god" thinks.

[SpaceCowgirl]

People looking down on others just because of their religious beliefs. Worrying about this topic is not silly. When the question of having to spend your life in eternal suffering and agony is in play, nothing is silly.

[tommyhj]

And what if God was part of a simulator for even greater beings? etc. etc. That all leads to the conclusion that only you yourself exist, and in that case, the question of simulations, brains in a jar, and every question involving the world around you, makes no sense. And nonsensical questions shouldn't be asked.

Also, looking down on people for their religious views is a bad thing. But looking down on people for their obvious imbecility, ignorance and stupidity is a "God Given Right (tm)".

[sinncross]

Because all of a sudden that guy who answered the question is the definite oracle on all things Christian!

Personally, I play some violent games, and as a Christian i think its not totally right, the bible says not to engage in activities that go against the wishes of God. So extreme violence in a film is still somewhat sinful as you are willing to accept it enough to watch the material, and the act being carried out, though not real in the sense of the medium, is an act of sin.
Same logic applies to gaming.

sorry, i know most ppl dont like hearing religious babel.. im not condemning ppl, just showing my thoughts on it, and u i think this article is wrong, in my eyes of course.

:)

[MiloGarret]

You are very right, I don't like religious babel. And you're going to hell together with all the rest of us, I should know, I actually have a pope in my family tree, a real asshole one too!

[mt]

i respect religions but i am similar to u i Play all kinds of game because it meant for fun .

bubble for u

[Timesplitter14]

PROTIP : Never ask yourself ''is that what god wants?''. Always ask ''Is that a good thing to do''

oh and I really like your first sentence

[rdgneoz3]

Instead of asking "what god wants", you should always ask "What would Brian Boitano Do?"

[Wenis]

So does this mean that porn in video games (hot coffee) is not a sin either? SWEET!

[silverchode]

im still going to hell :(

[Shadow Man]

there is no Hell. You live and you die....end of story.

[silverchode]

*covers ears*
i cant hear you

http://farm1.static.flickr....

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Prove it.

Are you aware of how much evidence...historical AND physical evidence, mind you...there is for God and the entire story of Christ?

[silverchode]

theres proof god exist? also jesus was an alien hybrid, we are all a genetic experiment :)

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Shouldn't be based around religous stuff.

If that were so, then video games would be pretty lame.

That's why they(as in governments, most of em at least) Seperated Church from state.
Can't say it's the same in all countries though.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Separation of Church and State was a law put into effect to keep the state from running the schools...because it was the church's job.

Way to go, ignorance!!!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Honestly, a good Revelation-based video game would be AMAZING! Do you know how EPIC that would be?

Of course, most games are more along the lines of Song of Solomon.

Anyone catch my drift?

[v1c1ous]

i recommend you do research on a certain topic before you think you're well versed enough to make comparisons m'kay?

[Timesplitter14]

It's the church's job to run schools? So they'll keep brainwashing the kids? So they can support Bush? So he can send his army to kill 150 000 innocents in Irak?

[GarandShooter]

Timesplitter, what about all the Leftist indoctrination that goes on in schools all across the USA everyday? All schools should be teaching students 'how to think', instead of 'what to think'.

And anyone insisting on 'Separation of Church and State' in the USA, please tell me where that phrase appears in the constitution.

[rexor0717]

I found a hilarious gif.

[Kyur4ThePain]

I am afraid gaming news might be on its last legs.
This is utter crap.

[XXXCouture]

Amen

[Jamegohanssj5]

Which is why I didn't approve of this.

TGSI

[JsonHenry]

^^

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Bubble for you man! BEST. REPLY. EVER.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Do any of you, as Christians, actually practice your religion?

It really doesn't sound like it.

Hypocritical, uptight snobs AND ignorant socialites are the reason Christianity is viewed poorly these days. Most people now think it's based on how you were brought up and that's the only reason anyone follows God.

I can tell you from personal experience that many Christians follow God because they've found truth in the Bible. Find a flaw in it.

Go ahead.

EDIT: How about you read it for yourself and figure that out.

Shellfish - God had certain laws, at the beginning of existence, that pertained to not eating many foods. These were later taken away when Christ came because people treated them as God and used them for religious persecution.

Slavery - Where does it say slavery is ohkay? You, sir, have listened to way too many misinformed Christians.

10,000 years - It's completely possible. Have you not researched this? Personally, I don't care how old the Earth is. I know truth and I know giving the Earth an age isn't really God's idea of worshiping him. All ice ages and many other occurrences are educated guesses and have little to no proof to back them up.

The Bible has made over 2,000 prophecies just in the book of Isaiah. 148 of them have already been proven to be true, in the order they were written...including the foretelling of Jesus Christ. The Bible doesn't lie...and listening to the ignorance around you isn't helping either.

Seek out your own truth...whether that's God or the cold, wet ground. Don't trust people who rely on VH1 for their religious experiences.

[poeo]

isnt the bible full of flaws, and weird things that dont make any sense? i've only read small portions of it though, but it sure as hell didnt make any sense to me... damn book tells me that slavery is normal and eating shellfish is satanic, among other stuff that i just find ODD, and not believable at all.

some people even think after reading the bible that the earth is less than 10,000 years old! i mean isnt that just embarrasing? has to be something wrong there in that old book..

[Timesplitter14]

I can destroy a good portion of your carefully planned argument with one pic :

[Kratos Spartan]

Watch Penn and Tellers BullSh!t show about the Bible...you can find it on Youtube

[DaTruth]

If you only read small parts of any book it won't make sense!

[poeo]

uhh, like i or anyone else needs a random religious "authority" to tell us whats right and whats wrong, ESPECIALLY concerning the types of entertainment we consume. this isnt the dark ages, people have some intelligence nowadays, you know its the 00s and all.

i KNOW killing in videogames is not wrong. i've always absolutely hated real violence, but still enjoy violent videogames. and i bet most videogame fans are this way, because its just natural. real violence is wrong.

sorry for incoherent rant :D

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

If religion wasn't involved in our law system, anarchy would rule America...like it's about to do.

...and don't give me that whole world peace crap. If religious wars hadn't occurred, we would've just fought about other things. We are human beings...we are born into sin.

Adam and Eve screwed that up for us.

[TheExodus]

@LeonSKennedy4Life: You do realize that before the "fall" we were God's pets, right?

[Timesplitter14]

Hmmm... let's see... there are lots of religious countries and regions like the US, Afghanistan, Palestine, Israel. All those countries known for their peacefullness....

Unlike those infidel Canadian and French monsters destroying everything in their path

[LinuxGuru]

Faith and games are best left separated.

[gumgum99]

Of course its not a sin to kill in video games.

Its amazing how the media gets a kick from twisting whats right and wrong from the bible itself.

Its still bad to do it in real life though.

and if you did, God will still forgive you

promise ^_^

[NewSchoolGamer]

I don't mean to burst your bubble but if God is biggest clue we have of what happens after death heck why not believe in him, lol. j/k

I think that if you don't believe in God it's just based on logic (you don't believe in what you don't see) and that's fine because I've heard somewhere that jesus will forgive those who believe in him or somthing.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

He forgives those who ask forgiveness from sins.

Based on logic, God exists.

The Case for Christ
Written by: Lee Strobel

Read it.

[buckethead_X]

I read half of that book earlier today. More Than a Carpenter by Josh McDowell is pretty persuasive as well. I love how both were written by former atheists. They both helped me make my mind up about God, and I suggest them highly.

More on topic: I'm a Christian and I love blowing people's internal organs out with a fiery explosion of fury and death. In video games, that is :D

and at everyone talking about hippocrasy in the church: I'll be the first to admit this is true :/ but I worship God, not the congregation. There are hippocrates and people who pretend that they are perfect, as well as people that prefer to hate rather tahn love sinners, but I believe that humans are innately flawed. Anyone who wants to discuss this further can PM me. I won't beat you with a Bible. I promise :D

[tommyhj]

The biggest clue to what happens to you after death is easy: Dig up some dead guy in the cemetary. Check his brains. Imagine that is you lying there. Imagine how you would feel. (I can tell you that it's a lot like what you feel like if you pass out completely and don't recall what happened in the hours you were unconcious)

THAT is the best clue we have, so why no believe that? It's even quite believable! IF you want to make up stuff, I'd rather believe that I'll wake up in an alternate dimension with super-powers and all the money in the world. Or that I'll wake up in a fluffy cloud with a feeling of pure ecstasy and peace for all eternity... wait... someone already made that last part up didn't they - oh well...

[Timesplitter14]

''pursuits that better glorify God''

That's when religious people lose all their credibility. If God was good, and not a power-hungry tyrant, he wouldn't want to be glorified (and he wouldn't have punished all humanity because one person ate a god damn fruit). He would just want everyone to be happy.

Imagine this :
- President _____ : ''Worship me and accept me as your master or else I'll throw you in this fire over there. Oh yeah, and thou shall not kill, thou shall not (...)''

Would you think he's a good person!? FOR PETE'S SAKE! Stop this foolishness.

And that guy should be seriously concerned with his mental health. Is he a kid or what? He can find the answer by his own

TO ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE : Even if God does exist, it doesn't mean that people dressed in long white robes know everything about him. In fact, they don't know s***. The ONLY thing you have is the Bible. A book written 2000 years ago by complete strangers that were never mentionned by the historians of the time. Oh yeah and that book could've been changed by anyone during all those years. The trick is that you can interpret it in any way you want, so everyone is happy. Isn't that FANTASTIC?
(apply necessary variations for different religions)

[DaTruth]

A guy named Lucifer is created in heaven. He has no appreciation for heaven and becomes a horrible guy. God creates other beings and allows Lucifer to torment them. God destroys Lucifer and takes the beings to Heaven. The beings are very appreciative.

[---------Nona-------]

Since killing xbots is not outlawed yet,say your prayers ya smelly pigs

[NewSchoolGamer]

thanks for scaring the sh*t out of me, like Kratos once said" Now there is no hope". :/

[Timesplitter14]

no problem dude

[Firstkn1ghT]

I'm a born again Christian and games like GTA4 should be a sin because regardless it its real or not, you are still killing. It doesn't matter if it's virtual or real, you are still killing....................... ........Just kidding, oh Jesus F*cking Christ is this guy for real????

[Timesplitter14]

I was about to RAAAAAAGE lol

[Firstkn1ghT]

HA! I was at first going to leave out the just kidding part and see what kind of replies I would get but I would probably lose all my bubbles with a quickness.

[NewSchoolGamer]

I wonder if I can play my PS3 in heaven with Resistance 2, if not then LBP which is more heavenly friendly

LeonS, I'll check that book out.

[enjoi187]

if there was a army the xbots...technically have more money and win

[BeachBar69]

Please,

First off if he is real (god) i wouldnt want to spend eternity with him or all these so called christians.

Second that must been a hard question for them to figure out, right after the will you go to hell if you touch alter boys. Next question video games and killing lmao,

And third sounds like the bible and god need to catch up with the times, it also sounds like he is some kind of control freak tyrant who will condem you to hell for anything that you do. Ya i wanted to be created, punished, left to fend for ourselves, then judged, and fearing some god. Sounds great, cant wait to meet ya.

Btw nice of god to not really care for little kids that suffer in pain, or people in general. Oh but he shouldnt have to worry about that lol. Ya and also why wait to destroy the devil, just get it over with.

sorry bout the rant.

[bomboclaat_gamer]

since when is manipulating pixels and polygons on a screen considered as a sin. religion makes people stupid i tell u. oh and lets not forget christians kill people all the time in the name of religion. it goes all the way back since the dawn of civilization and religion.

[RunamukK]

What is it like when you die? The million dollar question that has caused endless violence and suffering for many millenia over what...your wrong and im right? People in general are so self absorbed and have been for so long that they cannot begin to comprehend a reality in which they don't exist,to the point that they make up fairy tales about fictitious creators ie: god,zeus,allah, Mithras...never hear of Mithras? funny, check out this site and get truly educated on Christianity and Catholisism. www.godisimaginary.com

Here is a tidbit about Mithras:

The "God" and the "Jesus" that Christians worship today are actually amalgams formed out of ancient pagan gods. The idea of a "virgin birth", "burial in a rock tomb", "resurrection after 3 days" and "eating of body and drinking of blood" had nothing to do with Jesus. All of the rituals in Christianity are completely man-made. Christianity is a snow ball that rolled over a dozen pagan religions. As the snowball grew, it freely attached pagan rituals in order to be more palatable to converts. You can find accounts like these in popular literature:

"Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."

Anyhow, you can probably guess that i am athiest/agnostic and as such it is not my goal to offend anyone just my hope to educate so you can decide for yourself what you believe to be true.....key word is for YOURSELF.

Now that my rant is over, here is the answer to the million dollar question.
Q: Whats it like when you die?
A: It's just like before you were born... remember?

[RebelExtrm02]

"Q: Whats it like when you die?
A: It's just like before you were born... remember?"

Bubbles for you. I like people like you.

I believe when you die you simply cease to exist. That's it. Done. Over. Finished. Notta. Nothing. You are no more and will have no recollection of ever being.

[Kratos Spartan]

For giving a glimpse of education about how it really is...

Oh and by the way, I am Wiccan

Blessed Be

[poeo]

true words of wisdom in these dark times!

i applaud you.

[tommyhj]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[DaTruth]

Dark Matter has never been observed and no one has testified to ever seeing it before and yet many people believe in Dark matter. God has far more evidence and testimony as to his existence than dark matter.

[Timesplitter14]

I bet the snake in the Bible was a darn xbot

[rosebowl23]

in after depressed bisexual teen atheists rebelling against mommy and daddy

[poeo]

totally unnecessary and offensive comment..

and you make no sense, how is atheism rebellion against mommy and daddy? my mom and dad MADE ME AN ATHEIST! if i was into religion that would be rebelling against them, haha.

[Isaac]

What if someday tomorrow we cohabit with highly intelligent and emotional robots with an identity of their own? - What will religion say? Will any human be able to kill any robot if he or she desires? Will the only consequences be paying the "owner" or the state, even though ownership if such a being would be sort of equivalent to slavery?

I know it's too far away from happening (and who knows if it will), and also that most of you will say "it's just a robot", but honestly, if the church says we're killing when we abort a cygote, then what's the explanation for considering a cygote as "more alive" than a robot with the description above? Just because the cygote is organic and the robot is not?

By then we might want to reconsider the definitions of being alive and being a person with an identity of your own.

[Tacki]

You made me think of this.

[ElementX]

Funny how people believe in a god that might not exist. If Mother Goose was written 2000 years ago, we'd be worshipping Jack and Jill. If not for the evil roman empire, you may not have heard about Christ. Why did God ask Noah to build an ark for two of every animal when he could just recreate them all over? Not to mention the number of animals and millions of varieties of insects, how are they all fitting on a few boats?. Why should I sin just because of Adam and Eve? Why did God banish Lucifer to hell when he could just destroy him? Why ask people to kill their first borns? I know that's Old Testament stuff, but I thought god was infallible and unchanging? Suddenly Jesus is the answer? Make a virgin pregnant without consent? I could go on for hours.

*EDIT* @ below
God also gave up free will but I don't see Mary making a choice
BTW I used to go to church and I was baptised on June 6, 1999. I just don't believe it anymore.

[Esena]

You could go on for hours, but yet you still could not account for the negativity you try and spread on the bible. It is funny how you try something like "Make a virgin pregnant without consent?" Yet why does God need consent from a mere human? It is His creation after all..

[Mahr]

"Killing in videogames is not a sin"

Well, that's a relief.

No more lying awake at night agonizing over all the thousands of Goombas I've viciously crushed to death in Mario.

[Esena]

I find it ridiculous how many people don't understand Christianity. Sinning is rebellion against God. Trying to justify if something is a sin or not probably means it is a sin. Those who take the slavery in the bible to be equivalent to the slavery presented with African Americans simply don't read the bible. They hear something about the bible, and they claim that it's right in the subjective sense they heard it from. If you are going to say the bible is full of "mistakes" please state some...just cuz you dont understand something doesn't make it incorrect.

People shouldn't worry about killing in videogames being a sin, because videogames themselves can be a sin. Anything you love more than God is a sin. Take that to heart, cuz that is the truth.

[poeo]

there is no such thing as sin, it's an archaic belief.

people can be good moral creatures WITHOUT having to fear some sky-god.

[Esena]

There is no such thing as sin? Well please tell me of your definition of sin then...cuz there is indeed such thing as sin in accordance to the bible's definition. Your view doesn't make sense. How can there be morality without an omnipotent law giver who defines morals? There is no way you can account for morality. What you think is good may be bad to someone else which means your worldview is inconsistent.

The bible says "No one is good, not even one." Without presupposing the God of the bible, you really cannot account for anything because your presuppositions fall under an inconsistent worldview.

[darkdoom3000]

lol. i cant believe someone was actually loosing sleep over killing someone in a video game.

some people take religion to seriously.

[Isaac]

This is not about whether god exists or not or whether religion sucks or not, it's about what religion considers good and evil and why they consider it not so evil to kill artificially intelligent agents, and all of its implications for the future. Let's try to stay on topic instead of turning this into a creationists versus evolution debate.

[ChileanBoy]

i dont know about you guys, all i can say is. read the bible, listen and have a relationship with GOD is all you need. That will get you to heaven.

I mean if we intenshally kill someone in a game, its just the same as killing someone else in real life.

i dont care what you guys think, im moving my way to being one with christ. and i will be in heaven when ever my time is. and i pray that you guys try to get into a realationship with GOD and he will set you free. and you will be alive forever and that doesnt mean alive forever on planet earth, in heaven :)

[Ricdog]

The roman empire was not evil, it was the best thing to ever happen in human civilization. Without the romans weed be lost, man i pray that one day a new empire will conquer every nation in the world and we will finally have peace.

P.S. about the screw u thing, no offence i was just trying to act dramatic.

[ElementX]

The Romans raped, pillaged, and murdered people and they're not evil?

[Ricdog]

Im cathlic so i do still say my prayers and all, but there is still always the benefeit of the doubt. If god really didnt exist and i found out than i could finally go out and kill as many people as i want in the street like ive always wanted to.

I personnaly take every single human ( including family) as a threat to my existence, anyone of u could kill me. So believe that my best chance of survival is to kill u all first. The only thing keeping me from going out finally doing what ive been dreaming of is god. He says killing is bad and i dont want to burn in hell forever, so if their is no god than what is to stop me from killing people, which is what if always wanted to do.

[LinuxGuru]

Whoa, dude...

You know you just basically committed a crime right there right?

You just admitted to plotting to kill your family...good thing nobody here knows who you are or you'd be arrested, foo.

[DaTruth]

Thinking of killing is a sin!

[Ricdog]

I seriously dont mean i want to kill anyon, and i love my family. What im saying is that god can stop people from doing crimes.

[Sgt_Bon3head]

Sigh... Religion and its problems. Atheism FTW!

[LinuxGuru]

Sigh... Atheism and its problems. Religion FTW!

[RunamukK]

One of the main differences between an atheist and a christian/catholic is that all of the faith that religious folks put into god, an atheist has solely in himself.

[GarandShooter]

That is utterly ridiculous logic. The fact that someone doesn't have faith in something beyond themselves, doesn't automatically mean they have that faith in themselves. I'd be willing to bet that insecurity, low self-esteem, etc., occur at the same rate among believers and non-believers alike.

[barakiu]

to lust after a women is to commit adultery with her in your heart,
the same applies to killing a person, or hating someone.
we're all guilty...the only thing we can do is give it up to God.

[LinuxGuru]

The perfect answer.

+ bubble

[LinuxGuru]

Aww, does the disagree phantom wish to counter my answer? Or are you just gonna cower there in your godless shadows :)

[Mutley416]

Religion & Gaming...hmmm

Somebody is gonna get PWNED!!!

When given the Option in a RPG..I`m always a good guy, and when I team kill... I always say I`m sorry. I hope he`s keeping score!!!

umm Ricdog... never mind buddy... keep the faith!

[FragMnTagM]

Actually, the only person here with more than half a brain is Runamukk. Thank you for actually making sense and a bubble to you kind sir. I have been to that website before, and it is a very well written and informative site at that. Have you checked out www.evilbible.com? That is another great site that spells out all the atrocities of the old testament, that the christians so conveniently changed into the new testament. They took out all of the bad stuff, and kept the good stuff. You will still see pastors quoting out of the old testament but in only certain sections. To all the people telling us atheist to read the bible, I bet we know more about the bible than you do. To really know the bible is to loathe the bible for all its nonsense.

[DaTruth]

Wow, judging by you're post, that website you're going to has no idea what it's talking about. The old testament is the Torah, The new testament is Christianity. Nobody changed a thing.

[Sgt_Bon3head]

I have read several famous books that extract writings from the bible. I arrived at a conclusion that i shall not speak of, as it may be deemed offensive by some. Yes, religion is good, as most believers put it. It allows the society to uphold its moral values, prevents the society from going haywire and instills self discipline. If not for religion, this world would be in chaos and mayhem. However, what solid evidence do the non believers have that proves that existence of god. Or what is it that a beliver can do that a non believer can't.....Any takers for this question?

[Deathcell]

RunamukK...............

Maybe you should read the Bible more often...

You really think the world started with a Big Bang????????

How could you possibly offend religion. These words won't scare you, but maybe you should start praying that there is no God, because when you are going to die, and believe me you will, you are going to wish there were no God.

I am a Christian, like alot of people. It gives me hope in life to believe that there is a God who loves us and created everything. Just remember if you live the way the Bible tells you, you could experience heaven on earth (meaning you'll be happy).

You want to know why we are where we are today... It's because people like you who is killing every day. You kill the weak....

Ever wondered why we are following time? Why is it today 2008. And as a gamer i play alot of games BC. for example Rome Total War. Today it is 2008 AD.

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHH, i forgot you know all this things, you have a degree in some books you read. WTF????? You must be crazy, lol.

How do people like you live? I mean to believe that when you die its like being not born or before you where born. I cant see a reason for you to live. There is nothing to live for.

I am afraid of people like you, now i know there is no possible way you could change in what i believe in, but i know there are people who will actually believe you.

RunamukK, you have a closed mind. Maybe you should open it a bit, so that God can get through to you. Just think of the change you could make, if you were actually starting to believe.

[Sgt_Bon3head]

I respect all Men and Women on Earth, irregardlesS of your race or religion. And i feeL happy for you that you have found true happiness in God himself. However, i feel that your reasoning is rather irrational.

"You want to know why we are where we are today... It's because people like you who is killing every day. You kill the weak...."

Ohh yeah? Think of the countless lives the Americans destroyed during the war with Iraq. All that over oil. Moreover, isnt "In god we trust" the official national motto of the United States? How ironic!

[Deathcell]

oh yes.... The Bible actually warns us Christians against people like RunamukK. You will be tested in your faith..... So here is the test. Thanks RunamukK, i nearly stopped believing in God, lol....... NEVER!!

[Deathcell]

As a Christian, i wish you good in life, Yeah it would be fun hitting you, but then again I would sin just wishing that. All I can do is to pray for you, so that one day you give God a chance to change you. You have free will, He gave you that, please don't mess it up. Have a nice day... May God Bless you all.

[Deathcell]

What are you trying to say? I know war is wrong, depends on what reason.... Yes for oil it is definitely wrong. To be honest, I dont know why America is really having war in Iraq. Some say it is about nuclear warheads. Other say oil, other say because of the leader or something. But if your facts are true, then America is being stupid.

Anyway, talking about the war in Iraq is useless. But then again writing this comment is also useless.

To think that a leader could destroy a nation........... just look what happened to Zimbabwe with its so called leader Robert Mugabe.

What we do in life, echoes in eternity....

[Sgt_Bon3head]

Your words do not affect my stand, they are nowhere close to affecting my stand. Its better we dont talk abt this, coz i can come up with tonz of point and so can you...its sort of a long lasting cycle. Lets maintain peace, for that is what the world needs right now.

[Deathcell]

Maybe you should tell me a bit more what you mean with you stand. You American? Take me on, if you think you can. I just don't know what's your point.

When I said RunamukK is killing the weak, i meant spiritually. And that is even worse than death itself. People who does not believe strong enough, may fall.... Because of his fake comment and stupid words. I can't believe the guy is actually trying to offend God with his degree from reading books. Yes the Bible is also a book, but read it through and you'll understand it is way more than just a book. That guy has a closed mind.

Now why don't you tell me in better words (for I am not english, I am Afrikaans, but I do understand English a bit) what you statement is.....

Then we can talk!!!!!

[Sgt_Bon3head]

Speaking from an Atheist's point of view, God is just an illusion created by self. There is no solid evidence that god exists. But when i speak from a believer's pont of view, i can counter by saying that what proof is there that the big bang existed, it is an just a theory after all, created by the human mind (in this case, it may be considered an illusion too).

Now, if i were to sit on the fence between a believer and a non-belivever, i would wonder that who is right. This is the position i am in right now, sitting on the fence, waiting for just one proof that moves me from my position. My stand is rather unclear to my too.

I dont see the reason as to why atheism looked down upon. Believers look down on non-believer (just like you). But contrary to that, non-believers look down on believers. But since majority of the population over the world are believers, it is inevitable for the atheists to be looked down upon.

Okkkk...now i myself am getting lost. What am i typing, i dunno. Deathcell, PM me... We'll talk this over. Its good for both you and i, it's just another good excuse to expand our knowledge.