Peter Moore - Sony didn't deliver with the Emotion Engine and Killzone 2

Peter Moore's on a roll. Having already said this week that he personally took the decision to can Dreamcast, he's now accused Sony of over-promising and under-delivering with both PS2 and PS3.

[Jamie Foxx]

his emotion engine claim

he seems very sour in all honesty that the ps2 contributed to the dreamcasts demise

dreamcast though is in my top3 consoles of alltime

[InMyOpinion]

That's not what he said. Maybe you should read the article again before you go all out rabid.

“They did a tremendous job – and it’s a story they repeated in 2005 with Killzone – where they promised the consumer something they probably believed they were going to deliver, but they never did.

“PlayStation 2 - it was the emotion engine it was games coming to life, Real Player was going to be on there, a full network browser… and they just never delivered.”

Killzone 2 e3 2005 CG trailer. I wonder how interested people would be if they had said it wasn't ingame and that it wouldn't be released until January 2009.

They did the same marketing with the Emotion Engine as they have done with the Cell. Talking it up to be something extremely revolutionary and keep touting stuff like "You haven't seen what it can do yet" and "No one has utilized more than 40% of it's power" etc for years and years.

I don't blame them, it's very smart marketing and as we all can see it works.

[Sergeant Osiris]

our intelligence indicates that it was a MS mouthpiece that made the toy story graphics comment about a game for xbox1 yet it keeps being attributed to Sony. This psyop knows no bounds. Time to call in Tug Speedman.

[sunnygrg]

is Peter Moore really gettin dumber by the hours? Last I checked, his mediocre EA company hasnt produced a single game on par with Sony's.

[RoidRage]

Well who lied and openly claimed the 2005 KZ2 video, and the 2006 Motorstorm video were realtime game footage? Sony.

[Jamie Foxx]

actually i think you secretly want a piece of the foxx, if not why would you private message me?

sorry bruv i dont swing that way but good luck in your search for MR RIGHT

[vasilisk]

http://www.wired.com/scienc...

quoting from the link: "Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals. "We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2," he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar."

Get your story straight next time

[RememberThe357]

Thanks for the fact sharing. Maybe now someone will shut the hell up.

Bubble up homey.

[DaTruth]

I don't recall being disappointed with my PS2 for even one day. I love my PS3 more. I use my PS3 for everything media related and it has the best graphics and most revolutionary games(1080p and 1000 individuals on the screen).

Bought my PS2 because I knew it would have Tenchu 3. And now I bought my PS3 because of GOW3.

[SL1M DADDY]

Not really, it's called PR speak and ALL corporations do it... Even MS. Did any of these high hopes and unfulfilled dreams make me have a poor experience on my PS2? Nope, the games made it the best system of its time.

[Real Gambler]

Moore is simply awesome. A true asset for any company. Though a few things should not have came up. Maybe he's getting old?

"Microsoft set up a deal for us (SEGA) and we started to work on things like Crazy Taxi and bringing them over to Xbox – we did I think an 11 title deal."

Those kind of deals are not something you should talk about today in the news. Keep that under the carpet were they belong.

"there was a little bit of a concern with Sony – we wanted to keep them out of the living room, from a software and services perspective."

Well, that didn't work, since you're more likely to find a PS3 in the living room for the BluRay, Browser, Entertainment features, etc, than anything else. If you didn't succeed doing something, don't mention it.

Otherwise, this was a great piece of history. Still like the guy anyway.

[TK421]

This is the same Peter Moore that had the audacity to hype Facebreaker? Maybe his gig at EA isn't so stable anymore in a down economy and he's hoping to get his MS job back.

That's a lot of venom he's spewing for being 3rd party. He and Gabe Newell should vacation together. Sounds like he's a little bitter that Sony outsmarted him marketing wise twice.

[BoBo33]

There is quiet a big difference between pr and just blatantly lieing. I think Sony were afraid that the 360 was going to take their core gamers before they got to market.

It's pretty low when a company goes through the trouble of delibrately making CGI look like 3D gameplay, and then telling everyone that it was gameplay. Someone should sue Sony for falsely marketing their products.

[AAACE5]

"The old guy is cracking up! (goin crazy in other words)

He works for a third-party company who makes multiplat games... and he has the ballz to disrespect two of the consoles...?

Then he tells alot of former Dreamcast owners that he put the nail in the coffin himself...?

He's gotta be goin crazy!

[HighDefinition]

The Dreamcast and 360.

[HardcoreGamer]

YOU GUYS, emotion engine was not as you say it was. it was only bring characters to life in sense that it had way more polygon count to that of its competitor dreamcast. it was just a name, things gotta sound awesome and emotion engine did.

games such as shenmue had static faces with very little movement so they really do not have much expressions,

then you had the emotion engine, okay its a name but its just a processor with massive polygon count to allow for facial expressions on games that not only are big but are realistic, eg FINA FANASY 10. tekken other games just go and look man

Dreamcast looked amazing because it had far better ram for high qualty textures. thats wat was awesome about it. thats why shenmue didnt get ported to ps2 cuz it couldnt do it cuz it had half the ram and it would requried compressing, and loss of quaLITY OF THE BIGGEST SHOWCASE

anyway i missed alot of points, im typing this quick, thats why if you look at yakuza on ps2, they got great facial animations but lack graphic quality like shenmue on dreamcast

[Ju]

He (Moore) sounds very bitter. Not good politics to put the blame on others for your own failure.

I had a Dreamcast way before I had a PS2. I believed in the system. The PS2 had nothing to do with it. It was supposed to outpower the PS2. It was supposed to allow easier development. And it never delivered. That's why it failed. Really a pitty. I still have it, the Dreamcast, and I loved it at the time.

The HW was quite successful, though. Not the Dreamcast, but in the Arcade (Naomi & Naomi2, even Aristocrats MK6 is based off of it).

He's using the same guerrilla tactics himself here. Makes me wonder why? He is working for SW company now. In his level he should swallow his pride and move on.

[gokuss122002]

you are right it is soooo obvious that Peter Moore is still salty about about the whole dreamcast thing(dreamcast...you know, that white gaming system that was rushed to market about a year before the upcoming sony system,suffering from a lot of hardware malfunctioning issues... no, not the 360). Peter Moore is also the guy that said that not only was Sony lying about being able to achieve 1080p, but that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to make 1080p games, and that Sony would definitely not have any 1080p launch titles.

All of this was said in a video interview (I believe with kotaku). If anyone can find it please post it.

*off topic* There was a video where Dylan Jobe (warhawk dev) says that you would be able to host a warhawk game and allow your friends (with PS3s)to play without having the disc (Game sharing like the on the PSP). If anyone can find or have any leads to this video, please pm me. Thanks in advance

[IntelligentAj]

And the Xbox and 360 did deliver? Yeah there's an objective viewpoint from a former boss of Microsoft's game division. Be serious. This is like Kaz Harai saying Xbox and 360 didn't deliver. No credibility since their viewpoint would obviously be clouded by they loyalty.

[INehalemEXI]

Its true that some features that where planned for the ps2 did not make it to the console. Yet those plans grew into PSN and Home which is coming soon. KZ2 Beta this year and retail early next year... Good things take time.

At least the PS consoles did not RRoD , Eat Discs and burn down homes for crying out loud.

Good luck talking trash about a console that has sold 120,856,141+ and is still selling. Yeah, thats the PS2 BTW.

[solidsnakus]

you guys are pathetic, actually taking sides with sony for straight out lying to you guys with fake promisses and BS marketing. anyone remember homes august 07 release date? they even started showing off MGS4 and home snipets in their holiday 07 commercials, games that werent out for another 6 months later.

[JD_Shadow]

And Peter Moore never tells a lie and was injected with truth serum and got rid of all his grudges and agendas before giving this interview, right?

[Sergeant Osiris]

"WAIT A MINUTE ....
YOU GUYS, emotion engine was not as you say it was. it was only bring characters to life in sense that it had way more polygon count to that of its competitor dreamcast. it was just a name, things gotta sound awesome and emotion engine did.

games such as shenmue had static faces with very little movement so they really do not have much expressions,"

WHATEVER

"then you had the emotion engine, okay its a name but its just a processor with massive polygon count to allow for facial expressions on games that not only are big but are realistic, eg FINA FANASY 10. tekken other games just go and look man"

have you ever taken one second of computer science or processor design? what on earth is "a processor with a massive polygon count"??

the amount of polygons in a game is determined by a number of factors, one of them being the amount of memory in the system and how FAST the processor can transform those values in a simulation(video game) which then determines the SPEED at which it can do this and how many times per second. THAT is what determines your frames per second.
This is true of every game out there since their inception. NOW the PS3 works with the same data but in a VERY different way, eliminating the need for massive amounts of memory. Alot of kids in this console war have no idea about any of this stuff and fall for MS propaganda. Can't really blame them I guess.

"Dreamcast looked amazing because it had far better ram for high qualty textures. thats wat was awesome about it. thats why shenmue didnt get ported to ps2 cuz it couldnt do it cuz it had half the ram and it would requried compressing, and loss of quaLITY OF THE BIGGEST SHOWCASE"

see above

"anyway i missed alot of points, im typing this quick, thats why if you look at yakuza on ps2, they got great facial animations but lack graphic quality like shenmue on dreamcast"

more nonsense based on ignorance.

[Saigon]

its just that sony is picked out more because they have had so much success...MS does it all the time, but no one pays attention to it, and nintendo does it also...

[INehalemEXI]

You would rather someone take sides with Nintendo whom till this day has not released 64DD or a console with an HDD and is pushing shovelware and introducing Mii's.

Or would you have people side with MS whose console has been burning homes down , RRoD, Eating disc's and bringing us Xii avatar's?

Shiat I support all three and pc despite the fact sh1t happens. Why? because thats what gamers do. Promises are not always delivered but things improve over time.

[ezcex]

i am M$....there is NO RROD... just a figment of your imagination.

[yanikins111]

Pete, you obviously need to go and have a look at the killzone 2 beta footage....

I think you killed the wrong console.

[sunnygrg]

what Moorey is smokin'

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

His last company he worked for 'Micro$oft' Delivered F**K-ALL to the Gaming market!!!
(Well 2 FAILED Consoles!!!) ;-D

M$ = 'over-promising and under-delivering'

His new company he is working for 'EA' just bring out the same old SH*T every year!!!
(NEW!!! for FIFA 2010 the Ref will have a Whistle!!!) ;-D

EA = 'over-promising and under-delivering'

SONY HAVE Delivered for me!!! ;-P

PS1 ;-P
PS2 ;-P
PSP ;-P
PS3 ;-P

[morganfell]

And MS didn't deliver on being EA's top seller. Maybe he should take another look at the company that is buttering his bread.

[dukadork]

still bitter about the dreamcast eh?
f@ck you moron, time to retire (for real)

[Pain]

Sony killed your dreamcast and the XBOX 1 and is doing the same to XBOX 2 so u FUD it ??

PS2 games ie GOD OF WAR 2 say other wise and KillZone 2 not good?? WOW!!!! do crack Much?

Dont u have PS3 ports to F*&^ Up?

[Antan]

He says Killzone in 2005, not Killzone 2.

"They did a tremendous job – and it’s a story they repeated in 2005 with Killzone – where they promised the consumer something they probably believed they were going to deliver, but they never did."

No mention anywhere about PS3 execpt the headline. Plus the fact he says "but they never did". KZ2`s not out yet of course and im sure he`s aware of that which makes me think he`s talking about the 1st KZ, which Sony did hype quite a lot and depending on who you talk to, Sony failed.

[Le-mo]

Funny how people can make up title to attract attention. Professional journalism my ass.

[thor]

Yeah you're right he didn't say anything about the PS3. Plus, Killzone 2 isn't out yet so we shouldn't judge it.

And whilst they use the marketing "trick" of making you believe it is capable of so much more, it is. The PS2 had some phenominally good looking games in God of War 2 and FF12. Devs had finally got their head around it.

My personal opinion is that that was not their aim to begin with. I remember seeing the video at the start of the demo disk for PS2. It flashed images of a phone, a printer, all things you could (supposedly) link to your PS2. There was a programming language (YaBasic) included on the disk. No, sony's aim all along has been to create a _multimedia_ console. Their inclusion of first DVD, then blu-ray shows this. Playstation isn't really a great name for a general purpose multimedia device, though. Sony have included the hardware they have to be capable of playing films, listening to music.

Gaming of course was always their primary concern, but it hasn't always been reflected in the hardware. Of course the hardware has a lot of power but it doesn't have a traditional architecture. All the time in computer graphics programming you learn to take the load off the CPU and put it onto the GPU. Every technique and method is intended to maximize this, so that your CPU can handle all the physics and AI.

The cell is capable of SIMD on vector data types. Vectors are inherently built into the cell. This is very different from most CPUs where you can only process floating point numbers one at a time. GPUs however have this advantage also. They also have inbuilt rasterising algorithms and are of course custom built for graphical applications. But the cell, with a little coding effort, can do a lot of the GPU's work for it. So with the cell, if you take the load off the GPU, using as-yet-not-used techniques, and get some of the SPUs to do it, your GPU will be free to process more polygons/post processing effects.

Killzone 2 uses a system similar to this I believe. Much of the graphical processing is actually done on the SPUs. Which is why it can look as good as it does. Does it play as good as it looks? Well, non-hating previews (i.e. those that hate on the game because of the good graphics) seem positive. There's a real sense of atmosphere (helped of course by the graphics) and it truly is exciting. The control scheme and cover system I hear are fluid. I think if killzone 2 had _worse_ graphics, then they ramped up the graphics closer to release, everybody would be singing its praises. Motorstorm 2 is a good example of a game where the graphics are not good to begin with, everyone says "but it's still fun!", then they improve them for the final release and everyone loves it. If Motorstorm 2 had had awesome graphics from the start everyone would have hated on the game for being too similar to the previous incarnation.

[RememberThe357]

He had to be talking about Killzone 2. If he was, thats fine. He can stick to his generic Madden while I blow the heads off aliens with big red eyes.

[Ju]

He was talking about KZ2, no doubt about that.

BTW. The main reason (I speculate) why Sony went for the EE/GS combo and later the CELL is performance over time. Simple.

At the time the EE/GS was designed, there was nothing compared to what these two can do.

It was build (first) around 1999. It had a bandwidth of 3.2GB/sec. It had 2 vector units (VPU0,VPU1) and 128bit expanded MIPS ISA at a clock frequence of ~200MHz.

Back then, there was nothing which could compare to that. And given the 200MHz, what this little thing delivers is still outstanding.

BTW: 3.2GB/sec is something AGP 8x cannot deliver (peeks at 2GB/sec). That's how future prove that design was. Ah, and BTW. PCIex16 is 4GB/sec.

Now, they follow the tradition with the CELL. Same thing, increased the vector units, bandwidth and frequency. It is a scaled PS2 - for most parts. The only thing they didn't do, is put a custom rasterizer in there, that's done by the RSX now.

But same idea. At the time it was designed, there was nothing which could compete with it. And even now, 2 years after product release CELLs raw power hold pretty much true most of the time. CELLs mem bandwitdh is still above what's in current machines (HT ~22GB/s, while the PS3 XDR interface reaches 25.6GB/s, all SPUs can (virtually) access the EIB at once, leading to an internal peek bandwidth on the EIB of ~300GB/s).

By going this aggressive route, they are manifest their product live cycle. That's what it is. It got complexer, and costs exploded. That was possibly a factor they didn't consider. But other then that, I think they delivered on the basic idea. That marketing puts another 100% on top of it, well, that's normal. And with some experience everybody knows that.

[Dmitry Orlov]

I still don't get the point...

What's so uber-cool about CELL and RSX?

In comparison to X360, _most_ of the game library for PS3 runs on 720p and only quite a few on 1080p. Some of the 1080p one even manage to lag o_O
Example: Assassin's Creed. First memory block, where you have to deflect templars' assault. This game runs on 1080p on PS3 and I've noticed some many micro-lags and just lagz on 46'' HDTV so I've lost my count. And it happens even when for Assassin's Creed PS3 is the lead platform.

When I come to the game shop and see a multiplatform game (PS3/X360/PC/...etc) I always compare the games by all means to see on which console it runs in the best quality and definition (I own both PS3 and X360). And I'm really disappointed that most of the PS3 titles run on 720p, while the same game on X360 is 1080p and never lags.

PS Sorry for some gramar mistakes.

[Ju]

Well, for one, its creative engineering. Going a different rout where other peoples didn't even think of. Well, but that's just that. And that's geeky.

But besides that, its a long term business model. Pushing the envelope technological to extend the live cycle of a product.

The controversy is, using state of the art technology, but replace parts every couple of years, because the technology progresses.

These are two different philosophies.

The console market, however, was always different, that it used to have a high entry barrier (if you will) with over the top tech, and flattens out later when the product is established. But this allows SW vendor subsequently learn and improve on their technology instead of relearning with every product cycle.

Times are changing, and improved SW technology can take some pain away from programmers and SW designers. However, nobody really likes to change their technology every other year, simply because of ROI.

And from a customer point of view, I hope that a product will be out forever (exaggerated). If the console does what I want, why would I want to replace it again after 5 years ?? Its about the games, no ?

The Dreamcast had a very lean design. SH4 risk CPU (standard, not much more) and a PowerVR core, the only one doing tile based rendering. It had some good concepts, way more mainstream then the PS2. Didn't succeed, though. PowerVR is still alive, though. Mainly in embedded and handheld market (I think there's a new open handheld console coming with a ARM/PowerVR combo).

What I just want to say, is, the specs are above and the CELL has the most untapped potential, extending its live cycle and chance to make a profit over that time. And MS goes the same way the Dreamcast did, with the difference they have deeper pockets. But, strictly historical speaking, if they want to keep up, they (MS) needs to replace the 360 earlier.

BTW: I doubt that any of those games you refer to run 1080p on the 360 and 720p on the PS3. The 360 always runs target resolution - usually scaled if not native. The PS3 "abuses" the scaler in your TV for the very same purpose. Speaking of viral marketing...

[cliffbo]

sony did not hype kz1 the press did sony did`nt even make it.

[slave2Dcontroller]

boared over at EA's Sports Division, He didnt even sport a Madden 08 tat.

[dj_funky]

peter moore just inducted himself in the player hater of the year awards.

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

From a xbox360 fanboy its not really credible. Its not a secret for no one that peter moore once worked for microsoft and he is probably a microsoft/xbox fanboy. Lets talk about the rrod now Peter.

[DevastationEve]

An issue long since dealt with. Get some new material. How about how WELL x360 has been doing, despite taking on such a huge brand name like Sony.

"Success is just how far you rise up, after hitting rock bottom. Some people bounce!"

[Spydiggity]

pretty sure a mega corporation, one of the biggest in the industry that is trying to reach as big an audience as possible, wouldn't hire a fanboy to be a front man.

he is just saying sony made huge promises that it didn't live up to. I completely agree with him. they said "well it's 600 dollars but it's worth it cuz it's so powerful it'll last forever and will blow it's competition away." instead of sony supporters feeling let down by the excessive unfulfilled promises, they slip into denial and defend it. and what are you defending? just some faceless corporation. i don't get the logic to it. everyone should be disappointed in sony this time around.

you can say what you want about microsoft. you can say they are "buying" exclusives and buying exclusives away from sony. so what??? at least they are putting their profits back into the company and the consumers. pretty cool of them to buy 360 owners extra content for games, to buy us final fantasy, to get us netflix and sirius, to start online gameshow type games, etc... sony just takes the profits and gives it to the stock holders.

i'm not saying i'm a fan of big companies, but at least microsoft is making moves. sony is just sitting back and waiting for their bags of cash. sony is banking on the blind following of ps2 fanboys, and they are sort of getting it. reading some of these comments is proof of that. you shouldn't make excuses, you should address the issues so they are forced to improve. and slowly "borrowing" ideas from xbox live is not improvement. don't attack the other console on forums. write letters and emails to sony telling them to step it up and live up to their promises.

i have a ps3 and it's rare that i have it on for more than an hour a week on average. the browser fails, lack of cross game voice chat, games that don't live up to their hype, clumsy communication system, a home feature that should have been here over a year ago, lack of good arcade games other than SSHD, losing exclusives, lousy online community, trophies aren't mandatory, most people don't have mics....

whoa, i didn't realize til i made that list just how disappointed i am. why isn't everyone? if your only justification is "because it's free online," i see a pretty big problem with that.
sony promised us the world....where is it?

[Jake the Muss]

Comments like this from who should be respectable CEO's kind of remind me of politicians during election season - lots of (not so) subtle hints aimed at the opposition. Such down-talking shouldn't be a part of the business world.

I always respected more those that would rather put their head down and let their actions do the talking. But maybe thats just me.

[Marceles]

Still sour grapes after all these years. I'll admit that he actually did as good a job as you could have done with the Dreamcast despite Sega's reputation at the time. Playstation's train was moving just a little too fast.

"And then Sony came up with that Killzone video – and they still haven't shipped the game! Have you seen the video?! The game will never be the video! But what they did again was they placed doubt. I mean it's a classic PR tactic."

Yeah the game will never be the video, it's looking better than the video now

[cherrypie]

After all these years, you still believe this "playstation is a supercomputer" lie?

Sad. Just sad. You're a advertiser/marketer's wet dream -- totally gullible.

Moore is an executive with EA -- a partner of Sony. Are you really so emotionally invested in your "PS is a supercomputer" fiction that you're flatly ignoring reality?

Sad. Just sad.

[INehalemEXI]

http://www.wired.com/techbi...
This does not look like fiction to me ......

Fact: 8 PS3's = 1 Supercomputer node which is obviously cheaper then building/buying a supercomputer.

cherrypie is a lie.

[DevastationEve]

I think it safe to say that both console's have their ups and downs. It really shouldn't be our job to overhype it or try to stay up hours on wikipedia searching for facts or benchmarks on it. That shows complete desperation. Everyone who owns a PS3 feels like they own a supercomputer, and vice versa. Good...great! But the facts are that they're pretty well evened out. What you could say about one game in each of their libraries, you could find a match for just as well in the others.

I'm not here to benchmark the damned machine?! I bought it that I could play games. And both consoles are running some really great games!

[plain rice]

You can't handle the truth. Last I heard the United States Air Force ordered 400+ PS3s to aid their scientific research. I guess not even that tells you something. :rolleyes:

[N4Flamers]

i never know quite what to make of that statement. I would think if the military wanted the cell they could just order the cell processor. Makes me think that they ordered them for people to play in their recrooms. I know when i was in the military my recroom had a ps 1. They could be curing cancer, I just all ways found that article hard to swallow. I do know the military does use video game consoles and accessories for weird purposes, like the new mule is controlled by a 360 controller.

[plain rice]

You think they ordered it to play? Whats wrong with ordering 400 360's instead? Cheaper. Besides that, if you probably read the article it was discussing the technical specs and and computational power that the PS3 can provide them.

Maybe they bought for "simulation" purposes. Stealth simulation otherwise known as MGS4. haha. :)

[timmyrulz]

As soon as i saw the headline my first initial thought was the song "go go Sony defence rangers" lol

[CBaoth]

posting....yup 1 down.

[The Lazy One]

There were at least 7 of them in the replies to the first comment.

[Mike134nl]

Sony does have a history of overpromising. I still remember the launch of the ps3, which was a disaster and prime example of sonys overpromising. Though it definetly is looking like sony is bettering itself. Looking at games like killzone 2 and sackboy

But on the other hand where is the xbox live everywhere something experience?

[cherrypie]

Did you miss all the updates to Xbox LIVE that allow you to manage your LIVE identity and messages etc on the web? You can access this via your browser -- ANYWHERE.

Did you think Xbox LIVE Anywhere means you can play Halo 3 on your Windows Mobile Phone?

[LoVeRSaMa]

@cherrypie

OMG, on your browser!

Don't you have to have a Web browser to do that though? ;]

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[Mike Bowden]

So he means PS3

[Sergeant Osiris]

WE have been after this xbot general for quite sometime, he went undercover for awhile when he switched teams but it looks like that was just a decoy. Here we see where his heart truly lies. This is the source of all the propaganda that your hear xbot grunts yapping nonstop. Over-promise- underdeliver yada yada yada.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

I read the interview and Mr.Moore comes off very intellectual, but a bit sour about Japanese developers in general.

Some quotes I found funny, "And then, the shape of the 360, we actually built 20 prototypes to confuse the bloggers..." Twenty prototypes huh? Seems to me like they picked the wrong one for the final version. (RROD)

"And then Sony came up with that Killzone video – and they still haven't shipped the game! Have you seen the video?! The game will never be the video!" This is by far my favorite, considering the actual in-game graphics for KZ2 beat the 05 trailer hands down. I can break out some comparison pics right now if you want? http://generationdreamteam....

"And, boy, there are plenty of smart people at Microsoft." .... -_- (RROD)

Although I agree with Pete on some issues, I'm glad he's working with EA Sports now, considering their games have been pretty much dog poop in the recent years.

[blusoops]

Funny how he should ask..."Where is Killzone 2...that was shown in 2005?"
Killzone 2 has a release date....Feb 09
The real question he should have asked is..."Where is Alan Wake?"....which still doesn't even have a release date! LOL

KZ2 will be great no doubts there.

[DeZimatoR]

...is either very innocent, or very dumb.

Doesn't matter where it comes from, the main goal of these kind of statements is trying to sell a product. Every big company does it. If you feel you were iluded and false claims were made you can always take the matter to court.

B!tching about it on internet forums isn't going to do anything tbh.

Anyways, I believed Sony could achieve great things with the PS2, and they did, same with the PS3. Who cares if the PS2 didn't have 'Toy Story' like graphics? Who cares there aren't games running at 120fps on the PS3? Honestly. The PS2 had some of the best games ever made, the PS3 has everything to follow its path (already has with games like MGS4) and it already has some of the best looking games ever made, even though they aren't running at 120fps.

You ppl need to stop paying so much attention to details, look at the bigger picture, and, most importantly, enjoy the games, even if they aren't 4D.... ;)

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Sony didn't take in the account that graphical effects outweigh graphical prowess.

Meaning a game like COD4 rendered in sub-HD upscaled to 720p running at 30 frames per second looks better than something like Psychonauts rendered in 1080p, running in 1080p at 120fps.

Video games can go either way if a developer wanted to, but because most people don't own HDTV's, its smarter to develop their game that looks great on any type of TV.

[admeister]

man personally killed one of the greatest gaming consoles ever made! Don't listen to a word he says.

[BattleAxe]

Peter Moore better tune it down a bit before he gets fired. That kind of trash talk could sour relations between Sony and EA.

[SnakeShady]

Ea is the worst company in the game industry

[Narutone66]

draconian DRM on the game Spore. Shame on you EA.

[RoidRage]

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[Avto]

The thing is just about everyone in this industry never or almost never delivers on their promise and while Emotion Engine was a bit overhyped it still stands as the best CPU in last-gen of consoles.

[tudors]

bubbles for your knowledge my friend, though I am still not convinced the PS3 SPU's can make the GPU work miracles but maybe I will be proven wrong. It makes sense for them to give us a little at a time, otherwise the consoles would be short lived and not make any money.

[RealityCheck]

If it looks like a weasel, acts like a weasel and talks like a weasel, well he might just be ...

[ArsArcanum]

like he can talk...

[snoopgg]

Its time for you to kill the 360, or this year Sony will do it if you don't!!!! Where are all those 360 first party exclusives you promised Peter? It is you who overhyped your pathetic machine and then jumped ship. Do us a favor and go destroy yourself like you did the dreamcsast. By the way, Sony destroyed the dreamcast not you, you narsictic prick. The ps2 buried the dreamcast and you want to take credit. What a dolt!!

[Jamegohanssj5]

Game could run at 120FPS and be 1080P if only you had a developer that knows what they're doing. Such as the developers of Crysis.

TGSI

[Tacki]

That Peter was involved with the porting of The Orange Box! ;)

No, seriously though... I won't dispute that he may make a valid point in regards to the Emotion Engine and such... but I think it's still too early to say that Sony won't deliver with Killzone 2. Obviously they haven't YET because the game's not out yet. As far as the game looking like the CGI trailer... well, it's still got months of polishing left... but already I think they've come about as close as they could have. In the end I believe it's the experience and overall quality that matters though.

Making big promises and failing to deliver isn't something only Sony has suffered from. I think at some point almost all the big companies and developers have. The industry is full of PR fluff. I'm not saying it's 'right' by any means... but it works in generating attention.

[juuken]

...As if Microsoft has never lied before?

[Mr_Luke]

I'm playing Resistance 2, Motorstorm PR, and SOCOM beta... i like them very much, i stopped listening to Sony a long time ago, that's why i'm enjoying them as games and not as "missed promises". But i'm wondering to myself: why xbox fanboys care so much about Sony's promises or so? They haven't a PS3 and they get mad at Sony? It's just funny ;) As funny as Peter "My Face is From Another Planet" Moore (sorry, he remembers me an alien...).

[cherrypie]

Peter Moore is an Executive at Electronic Arts. He is not a "fanboy".

[gokuss122002]

Peter Moore is not so much an xbot (though he is)than a Sony Hater.
He always has nothing but bad things to say about the PS3, and he is always saying them.

I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that part of his reasoning for getting with Microsoft was as revenge against Sony (cause of dreamcast)...

[Ju]

^^ But he did. That's why MS hired him. Quote:
--
Was Ballmer interested in what you'd achieved at Sega or in your attitude as a businessman?
He wanted my attitude, he didn't care what I'd achieved at Sega, he wanted to know how I was going to win for Microsoft, how we were going to take on Sony, how would we compete with – or acquire – Nintendo.
[...]
...there was a little bit of a concern with Sony – we wanted to keep them out of the living room, from a software and services perspective.
---

[power of Black]

Yadadadadadada

Have I heard this before? About Sony undelivering? Umm who said that?

Oh yes! Aaron Greenburg, thats right. Hey Peter find something else worth saying.

Moving on!

[Shane Kim]

I did it too Ha-ha.

[Citizen Cook]

You should never have left M$. You've sold your soul to the devil. (EA) But you still have time to repent. We'll forgive you...
Hang in their buddy...

[Solid_Snake666]

GTFO you idiot

[SnakeShady]

is the worst pr in the world.
how can people be so dumb?

[Veronica Belmont]

sony is under-delivering with the PS3 then howcome Im extremely satisfied with the console I own and looking forward to the years ahead as it gets better and better.

[TOM]

I think thats the problem.You are satisfied with few games and the PROMISE of better things to come. I mean look at it this way.I have all of 4 games for my launch ps3(sad),one for my wii and 112 for my launch 360.Its never a good thing for a gamer when a system is used more for movies than it is used for games.

P.S. If you doubt my numbers just look me up.
I'm not a fanboy,just well aware of sonys failing as a game machine

[Narutone66]

So you don't consider PS2 and PS1 games to be part of PS3 game library?
I've played GT4 up converted on my PS3 and I'm having a blast with it, aside from GT5 Prologue. I'm more of a driving game fanatics.

[ReeBlock]

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[Lew_Ijgee]

That's not saying much when you consider that Sony always promises A LOT of things when they are preparing to release a new gaming console.

They may not always give what they promise, but as proved by the PS3, they always deliver a hell of a lot more than the competition.

[edhe]

"Over promising and Under delivering"
Sony's motto.

Other than "Take open technology, change it slightly, remarket as our own proprietary format" or "We like exploding batteries" or "No, our proprietary Format isn't dead yet" or "We don't care about the competition, how could they possibly be better than us, we're Sony!?" and maybe "We love red ink!"

Sony always come off arrogant, over promising and never living up to potential. At least the competitors haven't been doing such things.

Wii = family box with waggle games, some fitness extra.
360 = online console with the hardcore games, extra services.

Sony keep promoting distant milestones, Nintendo.. they don't bother and MS only promote what you're going to see soon. It's all very different, very interesting.

[edhe]

Wow, 10 disagrees and not a testicle amongst them.

[Jdoki]

Anyone who has a brain cell or two knows that the one and ONLY reason that Sony showed a load of FUD at E3 2005 was to steal Microsoft's thunder.

MS was gearing up to launch the 360, and in one fell swoop Sony managed to steal the limelight with the rendered 'target footage', and an over engineered PS3 with two HDMI ports and 3 Ethernet ports etc.

If Sony had not done that the 360 lead would be greater than it is today.

At the time I thought it was the dumbest move Sony could have made. With hindsight it's obvious it pained MS execs more than I thought and achieved it's objective!

For me, the PS3 is now the strongets of the 3 consoles I thinkthe PS3 is really starting to deliver. I say this with no fan boy bias - I own all 3 of the consoles and play which ever gives ME the games, the features and services I want to play/use. Nintendo and MS are not doing that at the moment (I stress... At The Momemnt)

[titntin]

Well said. I pretty much agree with everything you said - though for some reason the site seems to be putting my 'agrees' in the 'disagree' slot so sorry about that!

[atomdooze]

Hit a sour note did he? And it rings loud it seems. The stench from the ps3 will reach so far and so high it will choke the whole f#@king lot of ya.

[juuken]

Is that so?

The stench of the RROD will rise a lot quicker than the PS3 *stench*, if you want to put it that way.

[atomdooze]

maybe ur easily pleased.

[nycredude]

I'm guessing you like the stench of the smoke from your house burning down because you have a pos console.

Seriously go F*&k yourself.

[Shane Kim]

With the PS3 I can play games, I can play online for free and I can watch BR movies. That's more than your xbox can do.

[LuHawk]

lol shut your lying ass up

[NanoGeekTech]

So going back to Dreamcast vs PS2, you felt the impetus slipping away…
"It was a horrible period because, all of a sudden, you could sense consumers thinking twice about Dreamcast. I was $199"

"it was the first online console, we had some great games – SoulCalibur, Sonic Adventure, Trickstyle, Ready 2 Rumble. When you look at them today, you chuckle, but they were on the cutting edge graphically at that time…"

"It had a tough time in Europe, it had a really disastrous time in Japan."

It almost sounds like he talking about the 360........Is this proof that 360 time is near? Is the 720 really around the corner...?

Now many may say how can you say such chicken $hit....360 just dropped to $199..........Microsoft has created a standard for online console gaming, has great games.....GOW I & II, Fable II, Mass Defect(everyone thinks its great except for me...), Too Human(just joking.......sorry)...

The 360 is not doing too well in Europe.....and really do not care what anyones says Microsoft is still sucking @ss in Japan.....

But hey it could be my inner fanboy.....talking $hit...I was a fan of the Dreamcast(Great Console history may show its hard to take on Sony and Nintendo)....and obliviously a PS3 fan.....and a 360 owner

[DJ]

But now there's so many parallels that it's actually eerie to look at. They've had two major price cuts just within this year (not counting the 20GB phase-out), so it's looking like what the Dreamcast's situation right before the plug was pulled. What's most worrisome is watching Microsoft either shutting down or releasing their first party studios left and right.

[beavis4play]

with all the problems EA has had with games, why would anyone care what PM has to say.

[NipGrip]

MS claimed the 360 would have internal liquid cooling solutions to keep the 360 running cooler than the original XBOX. How's that workin' for ya? Oh say what? They got rid of the liquid cooling at the 11th hour and now look at the mess it created. At least when Sony "lies" (laughable when talking about PR work), systems don't die for years straight.

http://features.teamxbox.co...

Quote: "One of the surprises we found when checking the Xbox 360 innards was its cooling solution. To keep things quiet and cool, Microsoft has designed a liquid cooling system that dynamically adjusts the flow of the liquid and the speed of the fans depending on the temperature and power consumption.

This intelligent approach has allowed Microsoft to build smaller console by removing the traditional heatsinks found in most computer and replacing them with a combination of fans and liquid cooling. This combo is more efficient and keeps the processor at a lower temperature than the original Xbox, which is a remarkable achievement considering the higher clock speeds and power consumption that the new Xbox 360 hardware has in comparison with the old console."

I repeat:"This combo is more efficient and keeps the processor at a lower temperature than the original Xbox.."

Yeah.. Never had a heat problem with my 2 original model XBOX's sitting right here.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

Conservative Party TV Ad HTML: http://www.conservative.ca/...

Liberal Party TV Ad HTML: http://www.liberal.ca/video...

Conservatives (Microsoft Leaders) and Liberals (Sony Leaders) sound so much like the video gaming industry. Different day same **** all over again, correction. Same motive, different needs. It's a small world we live in. In the end Sony made business decisions that they that was best. I would rather have a delay than to have another product to fail. Microsoft I'm looking at your for your early start in this race not including certain things like...(men in black flash me with a light and I forget everything)...Microsoft is the best, now where's my Halo 3 game? Wait a second, Peter Moore left...(flash)...Halo 3...Ringworld...Larry Niven? lol.

[DaTruth]

Stephen Harper and Bill Gates are both D1CK$!!! And their followers are also D1CK$...

[sajj316]

You know, failure's a tough word! It didn't quite get there. I was angry with Sony at the time, but in their shoes I probably would have done the same thing. They did a tremendous job – and it's a story they repeated in 2005 with Killzone – where they promised the consumer something they probably believed they were going to deliver, but they never did. PlayStation 2 - it was the emotion engine it was games coming to life, Real Player was going to be on there, a full network browser… and they just never delivered. - Peter Moore

Killzone 2 is still yet to deliver on its promises. There is a reason why Mr. Moore. It hasn't been released yet. I do agree that the original Killzone (released in 2004) did not live up to the hype, one can't comment yet on Killzone 2 outside of the demos. Is it exactly the demo? No! Is it close? Damn close!

Interview was still good! He says no-one says NO to Steve Ballmer. I guess YAHOO did :)

[ROCCOZILLA]

is what peters drinking.P L A Y B 3 Y O N D !

[jlytle1234]

its called marketing peter. it doesn't matter what you promise as long as the customer is happy.
i had a ps2 since the launch of the console. I was never disappointed with it. Never disappointed with the games. Never disappointed with the online. Never felt sony under delivered.
I bought as ps3 and was never disappointed with it either.
Good thing you didn't promise the 360 wouldn't break. That would have been embarrassing. Hows your gta and halo tatoos?

[LONEWOLF231]

EA the Uwe Boll of gaming......

[PirateThom]

Don't make me get some of the thigns Peter Moore said about the Dreamcast and 360....

Honestly, Peter Moore, I think the guy is great, my favourite PR guy and Microsoft are still trying to recover from losing him, that Mattrick guy sucks ass, but Moore says just as much crap as anyone from Sony ever did.

[DJ]

Maybe he's just fighting accusations that EA titles aren't pushing the PS3 hardware, which they're not. It seems like he's just compensating for EA's shortcomings.

And I agree with Jdoki. It's obvious that Microsoft execs (both current and former) are still hurting from Sony's E3 2005 showing. To still claim, to this day, that Killzone 2 and Cell haven't delivered really is preposterous. Emotion Engine was great, and well ahead of its time. But we all know the PS2 lacked in two crucial areas: RAM size, and GPU technology. It was more about polygons, not shaders.

[DaTruth]

The game is fun and all, but the graphics look like the original and it's a total glitch fest; Every time I turn the game on somethings missing from my savegame and I have to get it again.

[Cajun Chicken]

Funny, the stuff MS says nowadays and the way they kick dirt is very similar to the stuff Sony have apparently said in the past in his interview.

I've heard my fair share of FUD from MS recently.
"We're better", "We deliver the best...", "Everyone else is just...", "...Is a fad...", "We challenge anyone to...", "Because we are confident that we will win...", "Our first party...", sounds similar, eh?
I can't say I've heard any dirty tactics like that from anyone else this generation, strange, eh? Must of learnt off the best in the past.

But MS still haven't managed to impress me as a owner of a 360 and lover of the past gens XBOX (when everyone else was just saying it was 'HUUGE') just why the 360 is so 'great' compared to everything else, including the XBOX.
Despite Halo3 looking below average for the progression of a sequel of two games from a past gen console and a 'AAA' exclusive which is based off an engine which is more or less middleware and can run on anything as it is licensed to almost every developer under the sun and finally, every successful multiplatform game pretty much looks and performs the same as on the PS3.

FUD campaigns, eh?

His interview is intelligent though, nice. Some respect for that man, even though I personally couldn't stand him in the press previously.

[DFresh]

Is this guy on crack.
Killzone 2 is fire everyone knows it.
How did Sony undeliver look at the games coming out.
Yeah that's right PS2 undelivered when it won the console war last gen.
I don't know what this douchebag is talking about.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

i think the real problem is that good ol petey here knows that sony is slowly but surely taking over yet again...maybe not to the extent of the wii but taking over nonetheless and he is just very angry about it because all this time before his departure to ea it was all talk about we're gonna beat sony this and we're gonna beat sony that and yadda yadda but now even with all the hatred and trash talking about the ps3 its turned the tables around and completely b!tch slapped microsoft out of nowhere...it was inevitable but im pretty sure pete really thought that the ps3 was not gonna last...you know instead of still talking crap he should respect the fact that sony has done wonders for the game industry and to me in my opinion is the only company that is striving to push gaming to the next level with innovation...people whine and cry about ps3 overpromising and what not...get over it...these same people act like little b!tches and really act sooo offended and so hurt about it like if sony was their father and promised them a bike for their birthday and didnt get it for them...i'll tell you one thing sony promised that came true...they promised that the ps3 was going to become a multimedia hub for your living room...something that you would turn on and do everything on once you got home from work or school or whatever and guess what.. thats exactly what im doing with my ps3...promise fufilled

[cherrypie]

He's 100% correct.

This is Sony's marketing method; over-promise (4D! Emotion Engine! Supercomputer!1!) and then deliver a mundane machine.

They do this *every* generation. Its not a suprise to anyone who has even the most modest critical thinking skills.

It's time to take your fanboy hats off and face reality; the PS3 has been an *epic* demonstration of Sony's behaviour.

Their is no point in trying to pretend otherwise, its 100% obvious.

This isnt just *my* opinion, but most of the press. And, here you have *AN EXECUTIVE FROM EA -- WHO IS A PARTNER OF SONY* saying it.

Get you head around it: The playstation *isnt* the supercomputer that Sony markets it as; that is MARKETING PROPAGANDA.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

hey you may be right but it sure as hell doesnt stop me from enjoying amazing games like mgs4, littlebigplanet, resistance 2 and future titles like mag, god of war 3 and heavy rain

[NipGrip]

The 360 is a larger generational jump from the original XBOX than the PS3 is to the PS2, I can't help you buddy. You need to see a doc.

The original XBOX had:
- Live
- HD inside
- Dashboard capabilities as exhibited by homebrew
- Media playing capabilities.
- no internal wireless
- played DVD's
- no longer on the market

360?
- proprietary HD
- Better graphics and processing power.
- still plays DVD's
- still no internal wireless
- Minor live improvements

PS2 had:
- No internal HD until addon was released, nothing for slim.
- No internal wireless
- good graphics for it's generation that got better
- Still a leader in the market
- Minor online support, nothing cohesive

PS3 has:
- Bluray: the next generation in video and data storage
- Wireless built in (NOTE: Not $100 for a wireless dongle)
- Cohesive online that is a serious challenge to Live
- Motion sensing tech
- HD built in, easily upgradable with non-proprietary HD's
- Linux capabilities
- Online virtual world via Home
- Built in web browser

There is no way you can seriously think the 360 is a larger step up from the original XBOX besides graphics and minor Live improvements compared to what the PS3 is doing against the PS2. It's night and day, take off those MS goggles.

[titntin]

"*AN EXECUTIVE FROM EA -- WHO IS A PARTNER OF SONY* saying it."

You appear to be unaware that this guy was the head of Microsofts gaming division and the front spokesman for the 360. Have you only just been born?
You can't suggest he's the least biased source on the planet!
Though obviously his views are interesting, they are likely to be influenced by his previous roles..

[Cajun Chicken]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't notice that the PS1 was more powerful and had was a better platform for games than the Amiga, PC, Snes, Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn and anything else at the time being etc...what nondelivery for the fact it created a new generation of video consoles and a way game consoles are marketed.
Did you not notice that GTA was more or less created to perfection on the PS2 after the PS1 installments? Did you not notice the lack of load times and large expansive world in Jak and Daxter?

MS may of had a good step over the PS2 and the XBOX admitted but suffered in many departments also.
The DC suffered in the games department due to one analogue and strange controls like the the face buttons being used as directional pad, although it was more graphically powerful than the PS2, only just.
But as an owner of a 360 and a PS3, I can only see Sony slowly bettering everything the 360 had set, much like the XBOX attempted with the PS2.

The 360 really isn't that much a step away from the XBOX, seriously, just check out the graphics in the old Halo games and Unreal Championship 2. Its not that big of a step at all, the only huge growing point is XBL this generation.
Its playing safe and just a sequel of a underrated console bought out to make sure the memory of the original is wiped out. That job is done, no-one talks of the XBOX anymore, its all 360 now, MS never made the XBOX, that's just crazy! ohhh no...

The shocking thing is, guess what? I don't even think the XBOX was ever 'peaked'. Yeah, that's right, I think that the XBOX could handle a lot of the early games of the 360 even Halo3, DoA4 and Crackdown especially, just look...wheres this huge graphical and technical step except from the overuse of Unreal Engine 3 to undermine the opposition? I'm still waiting. We're years down the line. Where is it?

[DaTruth]

Only people who use to work for MS have anything bad to say about Sony consoles... Except the fanboys, but they think they work for MS. Do you?

[NanoGeekTech]

But...you know what...I have experienced MGS4, R&CTOD,R&CQFB, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and very soon WipeoutHD, RFOM2, LBP....

Every company spread FUD...its the corporate way..I play games for great experiences and so far this year....its been my PS3..in the past it was my 360...but with the lineup Sony has in store the only love my 360 will be getting is a little GOW II***maybe Fable II(rent before buy...aka....RBB) and Fallout 3(RBB)

Cherrypie....I feel you are a little bitter that Sony has not dropped the price of the PS3....yet..so you cannot appreciate the value a PS3 has in store......

I would love Sony to continue their behavior by delivering me great epic moments in gaming........................ ..

[Irving]

Says the guy who has two dead consoles under his belt.

[ReBurn]

The PS2 had a powerful CPU and a so-so GPU. The graphics very quickly started to look blocky and outdated when the Xbox and it's superior graphics hardware came on the scene. That's not to say that there weren't some great experiences on the PS2, because I still play many of my PS2 games on my PS3. But from a pure visual perspective it seemed that the developers had to work too hard to get the visuals because very few games set a graphical bar.

I think it is too early to tell with the PS3, personally. I think that we're just getting to the point now where we'll be able to see what it really can do.

[smurfie4]

I guess I would have a grudge after having to drop a console 2 times in a row as well. Everybody needs to get off of that 05 Killzone 2 trailer. Guerilla has come as close to matching that trailer as possible, and in some aspects, surpassed the trailer. In a way the emotion engine did deliver. Go and play Ico and you will have a different view.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Very Heartbreaking Gracious fantastic Interview!!!

So much insight on the industry and a great history to be told.

Dreamcast to this day is alive and well breathing inside the IPHONE!!!!

With More Ram and a hard drive, the Dreamcast to this day could still match the WII and blow it away!

The Technology earned it the only game with a Perfect 10.

Everyone loved the Dreamcast.
Sony's PS2 was underpowered and horrible at 480p and texture limited.

Sega is sadly missed and AM teams could still out do any Japan dev houses if they wanted..

Money was the determining factor for Sega's Demise, RIP!
Money always will be the factor, in this industry were companies practically give away consoles.
It's a crazy business.

[ApocalypseShadow]

than companies that play it safe or sell you the same products over and over again.

did microsoft deliver on next gen?hmmmmm...

dvd-last gen,rumble-last gen,usb-last gen,720p-last gen resolution supported on xbox.

how about nintendo?

wii-repackaged gamecube.just like their repackages of

nes-gameboy color
snes-GBA
n64-nintendo DS

but at least sony tries to bring the next "BIG" thing.overpromise?hmmmm...

cell processor:

used for games.used for bluray.used for science.used for cancer research.used for military applications.amazing that one chip delivers on so many things.can 360 or wii do these things?why bother.they aren't powerful enough.

remote play from anywhere:

psp and ps3 can talk to each other from anywhere in the world.where is "live anywhere?"NOWHERE.

sony delivers PLAY TV in europe.microsoft talked about IPTV before sony could launch theirs.sony just released playtv.iptv is NOWHERE to be found.who is delivering?peter moore must still have green glasses on.

sony delivers bluray as standard,1080p support,blutooth support,web browser and everything everyone already knows about.THAT'S DELIVERING.just like killzone is delivering.say what you want,but the naysayers have been shut up.now that killzone is a reality,the haters can't believe they got pwned.

and as for "LIES" that say sony said this or that,not one gamer on this sight can post a link that has sony reps say that all games will be 1080p at 60fps.but sony did say:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps...

***3. The PlayStation 3 will include BluRay , the high definition DVD technology, and support games in resolutions of up to 1080p, (the highest supported standard on the market.) Given that information, please choose the statement below that best describes you.***

looks like sony said "SUPPORT."not....&qu ot;ALL."

and lets look at 120fps:
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

***Never mind that even newer TVs aren't capable of refreshing the screen 120 times in a single second. Kutaragi said that when new technology comes to market, he hopes to have the PS3 ready to take advantage of it.***

looks like ken k. said "HOPES" to support and take advantage of.

but looky here: 120 fps tvs coming to market.well what do you know.i wonder if ps3 could work on that televisions?

http://www.engadget.com/200...

and even n4g had an article where samsung thought it's new tv with 120fps refreshrate would kill bluray.and there is now talk of a 200hz tv.
http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N...

as i said,sony does deliver at an affordable price.yes they took things out to please the masses with the 40gig.yes they took out the etra features like 2 hdmis or 3 ethernet ports that NO ONE NEEDED at launch.

but other than that,sony has delivered on games, FREE services,power and content from anywhere in the world through remote play.

peter moore just sounds bitter that sony beat him and is about to beat his previous companie's sales.i still love the dreamcast.i bought 2 just in case.but it's time to move on and stop with these lies and bitterness from sony thinking forward and delivering over 275 million pieces of hardware worlwide with ps1(102),ps2(130+),ps3(15+) and psp(30+)

sucks to be you haters like peter,360 fans and microsoft.sony's just making you look bad by their performance.can't wait when sony brings out their version of a 4D game(passage of time and saved on hard drive) to shut you up as well.

apocalypse.....

[Aclay]

Well first of all, that Killzone 2 E3 2005 trailer was just a "Target Trailer" and it was never meant to be the look of the final game. Guerrilla has come pretty damn close to that 2005 trailer and there's still time for them to polish it even more.

If you ask me, Microsoft underdelivered with the Original Xbox because they cut it's lifecycle so short before it ever got a chance to make an impact on the gaming industry.

[zodiac909]

and why is he to talk!?

[pain777pas]

He's angry that facebreaker sucks and his whole idea of making fun non licenced titles is going to go down the toilet with that debacle. I don't know about anyone else but some of the best games i have ever played were on the PS2 and the PS3 with LBP especially and R2 around the corner I think that will be continuing that trend.

[IQUITN4G]

The truth is that if Killzone 2 looked as unbelievable as it's trailer, we'd all get one.Yes K2 now looks rather excellent and probably even better artistically than the trailer, but for sheer insane amounts of geometry and just general wow, it falls considerably short of the cgi

That doesn't mean K2 will suck or that it looks bad in any way just, it wont burn your eyeballs out like when they first showed that glorious trailer.I'd pay 5 times the price if it delivered what we all saw of it in E3 2005 form and those that kid themselves that K2 in it's current form is exceeding this are full of sh!t

[DaTruth]

It would have less WOW now... We had never scene anything close before. After MGS4, every game has a little less WOW. Resistance 1 was WOW when I first bought it. Only reason Glitches of War got over 90 is because of the WOW; We had never scene anything like it.

[MAGNUM-RAM]

R R O D virus.

That's the real heart breaker.

[Adamalicious]

Peter Moore just can't stay off the blow-hard train I guess.

[felidae]

well Peter .. i'm totally satisfied with the PS3

[STLiens]

He used to work for them, so hes gonna say that. I personally think 360 is slippin. I thought the original XBOX is better than PS2, but I think the PS3 is better than the 360. This dude obviously doesn't own a PS3.

[KazumaKiryu]

If they didnt deliver then how the fook did they sell 120 million consoles!

[AliC]

Has anyone tried running KZ on a PS3, game is smooth doesn't have slow down and it is still just as fun to play despite the issues it had back then.

As for the Emotion Engine, as this guy Played God of War 2, that game alone proves with the right developer and skill you can produce a beautiful looking game, that is quite epic in scope.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

LOL poor Peter still has demons about PS2 crushing his Dreamcast :(

And now he left a sinking ship in time, so his ass won't be owned by Sony for the second time lololol

[Skynetone]

the dreamcast was a single chip machine until they seen the ps2, they added another chip to the dreamcast just so it would compete with ps2

then the dreamcast released virtua fighter which was a complete f++k up {thats the reason i never bought a dreamcast, if sega themselves cant even produce the goods}

sony released ridge racer which was arcade perfect

sony delieverd on all fronts and the inclusion of a dvd player with every ps2 was the icing on the cake

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

You are confused with Dreamcast and Saturn dude!
Dee Dee Dee #*&^%!

[Skynetone]

ill give ya a bubble

[MajesticBeast]

Ps2 the best console and just gave the ps3 a epic start with god of war 2 it looked so good same for sotc. peter go hit yourself in the face with facebreaker pls thank you

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

poor droids, they have to live with that 1 game and spend 90% of the time watching it.

[pixelsword]

...while your 360's in the shop.

[GameDev]

what an ass pimple this clown is.

tell you what PETER, if you really believe the nonsense you are talking why don't you put your money where your mouth is and STOP DEVELOPING FOR THE PLAYSTATION BRAND?

what's that?? do I hear crickets?? I thought so now STFU you c0cksock.

[mirroredderorrim]

Peter, please.. you can't keep a job, you have loyalty problems, you claimed to have destroyed one of gamings favorite fossils " The Dreamcast" and you're Halo tattoo is going to get wrinkled and look like Mayo. because you are not getting any younger.

Btw, I read the article and think most of his points are toilet water, down the pipes!

Peter, if you don't want to sound like Microsoft still has genitalia biologically connected to your anus and brain, please cut down on the insults, and pretend you have no stock in Micro.

Edit: Oh, right! I forgot! Try accepting the truth for once. You have been on sinking ships from the get-go!
Good thing EA picked your sorry butt up. Or was that a Microsoft strategy as well?

[FFXI101]

and stop live in the past.

Dreamcast was one of my favorite systems, and it still is. But you just had to kill it. Not just that, now you started talking about what Sony has or hasn't done. WTF is wrong with you?? WTF do you care anyway, is not like you are a loyal sony fan and sony F you up.

You no longer work for M$, so just focus on making the game. Is not like SONY murder your parent.

[KiddyBrownTurd]

LOL, what more proof do you droids need?

It's 4D!!!!!!

[pixelsword]

... for a man that sunk two consoles, he's one to talk.

[wray77]

Fans of brands are brainwashed.

[Expy]

Hey, it's Peter Moore. I think that sums it up.

[Figboy]

Play Ico and Shadow of the Colossus and then come back and say those games don't move your emotions.

Sony's PR is just that PR. they will say what they need to say in order to sell consoles to the consumer.

HOWEVER, the Playstation 2, inarguably, delivered the most quality gaming of all FOUR gaming platforms last generation (Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, and Playstation 2).

as for their other promises, they were simply too grand to achieve on the PS2 architecture.

the Playstation 3, however, has that web browser, has even MORE processing power to bring out emotions in games (see, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and Metal Gear Solid 4 for some genuinely fantastic voice, animation, and pure emotion driven gaming).

they may have been a generation off, but they certainly delivered.

also:

Killzone Target Render:
http://www.tech2.com/media/...
http://www.armchairempire.c...
http://www.juegomania.org/K...

Killzone actual in game gameplay:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...
http://recensioni-videogioc...
http://www.threespeech.com/...

WHAT didn't deliver again?

the original Killzone may have fallen short of what was hyped by the MEDIA as a "Halo killer," but Killzone 2 had done nothing but deliver on everything from visuals (which pundits said the PS3 would NEVER be able to match those target renders; as you can see, they were WRONG WRONG WRONG; it came over 90% close, and there is still 6 months of polishing to do), to actual gameplay, even the online is shaping up to be something special with it's Badge system. Killzone 2 has pissed off a lot of people because it rubbed their noses in their doubt.

i like Peter Moore, i like him a lot, he's one of the least irritating PR people out there, but until he spearheads at least ONE successful platform (he "killed" the Dreamcast, and cut the Xbox's lifespan to four years to pimp the 360), he can sit down, shut up, and run EA.

Sony has had TWO of the most successful gaming platforms of all time, and the PSP is doing damn fine itself, as is the Playstation 3.

i don't think a single real Playstation fan would be disappointed with the PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3, and the gaming experiences they've gotten from the four platforms.

i've been enjoying Playstation consoles/handhelds since 1995 when the PS1 launched, while they tend to have slow starts, it only gets better with time, as more and more games show off what the consoles could do. the PS3 is no different.

Sony ALWAYS over-promises. it's not their fault if you actually buy into their PR bullsh*t. you have to sift through it all and find the truth. i knew the PS3 was a worthy platform to back, not because Sony said so, but because i researched EVERYTHING i could about the machine, from Blu Ray, to Linux, to built in Wi Fi, web browser, standard HDD, free online, PS2 BC (i have the 60gig BC model), and everything else and determined for MYSELF that it was the platform for me. why people want to call companies like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft to task on doing the PR thing is perplexing. they aren't holding a gun to your head and forcing you to listen, but if you do, well, they aren't going to turn away a sale now, are they?

anyway, Sony didn't deliver on many promises with their past systems. Nintendo and Microsoft haven't either. it's expected. why let that sour your enjoyment of a quality product, if indeed, the product is quality?

i can't stand Microsoft, but that hasn't stopped me from having a good time with the 360 on games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Crackdown, and soon Fable 2, Star Ocean, Tales of Vesperia, Banjo, and Alan Wake, to name only a few.

Sony doesn't give a rats @ss about ME, but that won't keep me from enjoying the Uncharted's, Ratchet's, Metal Gear's, Little Big Planets, God of Wars, and Killzone's, to also name only a few.

hell, the only one of the three that really frustrates me is Nintendo, because after 20+ years in the industry, they are STILL pimping Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to me (not really a bad thing), and little else. they are still promising "better 3rd party support," and not delivering. they are still promising "more gamers for the 'hardcore'," and still not delivering. the Wii is still a console for my nieces and nephews (who ironically own a Playstation 3, since his 360 died on him, and he doesn't like Wii games), and my mom.

when my best friends mother went out and bought a Wii because it was the hot item, i knew my relationship with Nintendo wasn't what it used to be.

anyway, Peter can talk the talk all he wants, but until he walks the walk himself, he's not one to talk.

[vilmer]

This guy probably has nightmares about Sony.

[Jamaicangmr]

You where doing so good since you joined EA but i guess your Sony hate for destroying you during the Dreamcast era is still a sour spot in your heart.

[Pika-pie]

Oh shut up Grampa Moore. Sony havent undelievered with KZ2, the frikken game isnt even out yet so how can we judge?? Go back to working on a football game or something.

[thirstycamel]

...is all this bickering, of unfulfilled promises, on a product that isn't yet 1/5 through it's lifecycle. Peter Moore may end up correct, about the PS3, but I think he's presumptious to make these claims before everything is said and done. Sometimes it's benificial to step back and take a look at each companies objectives, and strategies, to find the truth.

Now, what I have to say is up for debate. Some is based on fact, and some is solely base on my personal opinion. Sony came into the gaming console market, after a botched agreement with nintendo. Sony was to provide cd's as a gaming storage medium apposed to cartridge, but wanted control over publication rights. Nintendo didn't like this, and after a very public Sony anouncement of the agreement, Nintendo went and signed a formal agreement with, I believe was, Phillips. Sony, obviously embarrassed, and angered by this, decided to enter into the home console market. They did so quite convincingly with the introduction of their Playstation brand, the PSONE. With the outstanding success of the first Playstation, Sony introduced, to our delight, the PS2. It wasn't until after it's release that, Sony made it's statement, we expect to see the Playstation brand being a media and entertainment hub, as commonplace as the T.V. in the livingroom. This is where Microsoft got involved in the console market. Ms now viewed Sony as a threat to the PC market, and inturn their provision of software to the PC market. Thus, the Xbox was brought to the market. I beleive, this was done with the intent to slow or stop Sony's momentum, and prevent their dream from becoming a reality. All this to protect their bread and butter, the software division and msn. And hell, maybe it'll make them even more money. Sony's objective is for the Playstation brand to grow, in function and convenence, over the course of it's lifecycle, and the next unit carrying on in it's place. Microsoft's strategy is different. Their Xbox brand hasn't penetrated the market place like the PS1 or the PS2. They need to be fast out of the gate, gain a fast and early adoption. They did this through using commonly used tech, making for quick and easy development, but I still question it's longivity. The way I currently see it, the Xbox is a short distance runner. Quick out of the box, fast and entertaining to watch, but very short lived. The Playstation is the marathon runner. Slow out of the box, occassionally dreadful to watch, but steadily gaining momentum, and hopefully win the race.

[habsfan9]

Does anyone still listen to this loser?

[pshizle]

RIGHT!!!

[random6789012345]

how can pete say sh!t, hes working from sony maken games not sony making games for the next sega consle like really thats like a guy in a wheel chair tellin a guy how to run, nad kill zone 2 come everyone knows it will be awesome as F**K

[Bricker33]

Post him on America's Most Wanted (out of the industry) please. He's a menace to (gaming) society.

[PimplePopperMD]

its true, sony sucks

love my ps3 but the corp. is a joke

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Sega Dreamcast 2 coming soon!!
if Sega would be so lucky to have an investor(Microsoft)!

This New Sega System would be 4GHZ 16 Cores!
Video and CPU GPU on same chip solution.
1GB of Video RAM and 1GB of system ram (can be shared)..
120GB 400MBps Solid State Drive.Fastest Bluray drive avalible!!
advanced super motion transformable controllers.

1rst games released would be:
Sonic in TRUE 1080p.
Shenmue on 2 50GB Blurays in 1080P (more violent then ever)!!!
Shinobi in 3d 1080P
Daytona HD 1080P HD texture!
Virtua Fighters 1080P With multi-Tier and breaking walls and weapons!!and animal fights etc...HD

Who here wouldn't buy this for $299.00

[Ju]

They could possibly catch intel ?

[wray77]

Don't put down the ps3! It walks on water.

[Product]

That was actually kind of funny.

[mmike855]

They would not have gone to such ends to simply upgrade the Genesis hardware with various bits and pieces "I.E. Sega CD, 32X" and would have placed their R&D on perfecting and supporting each of their consoles. The Dreamcast was an excellent machine, but was marred by the history of its maker. I love Sega, but even I was angered after I bought the 32X, going to blockbuster week after week and seeing the same games on the shelf. If Peter Moore had been at Sony, he would have done exactly what they did with no remorse. He worked with Microsoft, and is now at EA, working on doing the very same thing. Shame on you for downplaying a hardware company that helped to reinforce and expand the industry you have been working in for years.

[LinuxGuru]

You know what, I used to HATE Sony with a passion. I hated their products, their games, their consoles, EVERYTHING.

I hated the PSOne. I bought an N64 instead.

I hated the PS2. I bought the Xbox instead.

I hated the PS3. I bought the 360 instead.

I hated their arrogance and their whole way of dealing with press, consumers, loyal fans....etc.

But then I started to listen. I started to take a peek into the PS gaming communities, I took a look at the wildly varying IPs and cross-genre titles...

I looked beyond the lack of graphics capability with their past consoles (PS3 however does not have a lack of power, I assure you), I looked beyond the so-called pomposity and "arrogance" Sony portrayed.

I thought...f*ck it. I'll take a chance, see what they're like, and the worst that can happen is that I come out the other side as a more well-rounded individual.

So I bought a PSOne. I bought a PS2. I bought a PSP, and then a PS3.

And you know what, I have completely lost interest in any other gaming brand. I had no idea what I was missing until I let it hit me in the face first-hand. The people, the games, the atmosphere is all different somehow and it just makes you want to stick with it and be a part of it in comparison to the other two big gaming companies that seemingly market themselves to one particular area of the market or another.

I really am glad to be a part of the PlayStation phenomenon (and it is a phenomenon, hundreds of millions of PS consoles sold = a freaking paradigm).

Look at me....here I was, a freaking Sony hater just like all you Microsoft and Nintendo fanboys out there, yet I opened my eyes to a company that actually, SERIOUSLY, delivers. Yes, it may take a few delays and a little wait, but goddamn when they do deliver it's a f*cking hurricane of content.

So now I am part of the Sony consumer base, and I am the editor for a rapidly-growing playstation website, something I NEVER thought would occur even just a few years ago. The PS3 solidified my loyalty to the PlayStation brand, and it was the feather that tipped the scale towards Sony for now and the foreseeable future.

[mirroredderorrim]

You loosely sum up how I used to feel about Sony, during the Nintendo domination days.

[Neo604]

cause he eat sh1t.

[Neo604]

They don't play around, they don't brag, they don't talk sh1t. Sony is for high roller and true gamer. Quality takes time and Sony make sure they deliver it.

[redsnake]

he seems really bitter but even without all the stuff promised i think people would have still bought a ps2 over a dreamcast anyday

[divideby0]

was he at MS when they issued the "failure rates are within industry standards".....
and Sony killed DC not him.
another bozo in a suit

[nashu]

peter moore doesnt underestimate the power of the ps3

[Darkwolf]

Thats OK..Peter Moore is a [email protected] we all know that..so I'm not Phased about his remarks..

[Sanzee]

Sony Fans, can we please keep these comments coming? They're really great and totally make a valid point.

No seriously. Please, keep them coming. You have no idea how much you're supporting Xbox fans with them.

[mgbass13]

an EA employee is talking about someone else under-delivering? I think this should be taken with a grain of salt, as mr. douche here has been foiled by the almighty Sony twice in the past. Get over it Peter, you lost to the best. Sony changed gaming. Everyone should bow down.

[rbrtchng]

I guess he never played RE4, GOW2, SOTC, etc. Seriously, for now, yes KZ2 isn't as colorful as its original trailer (although the game is technically superior), but the PS2 definitely delivered.

How can the best console in history be considered underdelivered?

[Mclovin96]

$ony is full of amazing promises and rarely delivers on them. So many sony fanboys on the net, especially this site, keep talking about how great the cell will be based on what sony has told them so far. But there is NOTHING to back it up. I don't care how "future proof" a console is, if it hasn't proven anything yet than you have no right to run your mouth. Anybody with more than 2 brain cells in their head know that sony is full of sh*t and would agree with Peter Moore. Fortunately for sony, many people are not smart enough to do a little bit of research and make decisions for themselves. They just blindly believe ridiculous ad campaigns aimed at people such as themselves.

Microsoft has done an excellent job so far this gen, not only competing with $ony but far surpassing them. That has a lot to do with the fact that MS took a no-bullsh*t approach to marketing and showed gamers what they had to offer and actually delivered on their promise (which so far is a helluva lot better than what sony has offered so far, not to mention at a better price). Even if $ony is lucky enough to bring themselves on par with Microsoft sales-wise this gen, MS has set themselves up to own the console market when the next round of consoles is released. They have proven to everyone that sony is no longer the top dog. Now its up to $ony to try and redeem themselves after effectively destroying their reputaion with bad marketing and failed promises.

[Sanzee]

Their saying Peter Moore is wrong and backing up their claims with unreleased PS3 games - games they haven't even played yet.

"Take a look at the Killzone 2 Beta footage! How dare you speak against our console!"

I can envision them on their computers saying: "Take that Peter Moore"

Sh*t. Peter Moore must be in a world of hurt after that comment. Props to the Sony kid for trying is best.

[Rapture333]

I thought he was quit with Microsoft... Why does he keep running his mouth to companies that are bigger then him? I find it funny how Sony never says a thing to mock the competition, however Microsoft is always willing to jump on Sony for any little thing that I only find out right ridiculous just to sell 360's.

[xg-ei8ht]

Adropacrich2

I think your missing the point.

The cgi trailer, was just that, CGI. Not gameplay. A trailer to stir things up.

But consider this, killzone 2 has the most impressive lighting system ever used on a console, let alone pc. and that honor falls to crysis.

The weapon and animation system is better then any game i've ever seen and quite frankly i've seen em all. 25years in gaming.

The action looks ruthless, detailed, atmospheric, damm right bloody@)

There is damage fx, some of it, on quite a large scale.

Cinematic quality is very well done.

That's all i can go on, from people who have played the game, and by hd video's/

All i can say is this.

If this game delivers on gameplay.

It reckon it'll outsell many fps games, and could become one of the biggest fps of all time.

I just hope sony put some muscle into tv ad's, billboards, etc.

The more people see those graphics in action, i think their jaw would seriously hit the floor.

KILLZONE 2 FTW.

[shysun]

And this guy works for E freaking A! :(

[darkseid1]

ANOTHER TYPICAL PR RANT