Insomniac Games Explain Why Ratchet And Clank Won't Run At 60 FPS On PS4 Pro

Ratchet and Clank has been confirmed to run at 4K and 30 fps on the PS4 Pro while there won't be a frame rate increase for 1080p mode.

[pyroxxx]

As long as image quality is even better than on OG And apparently it is perfect @1080 on PRO,..(Sometimes there is some aliasing on PS4) I am fully fine with it,.. 4K will look even better

[MasterCornholio]

The game looks amazing on the standard PS4 so I can imagine it will be mind blowing on the Pro.

I have the platinum and I highly recommend the game.

@DMZ

If I had the Pro I would revisit the game just to see the improvements. Nothing crazy though just play a few levels.

@Shotty

Insomniac do care about their games if you know what I mean. Most developers won't even bother patching their games to support the Pro ( example CD Project Red)

@Tyler

I meant a PS4 Pro patch. Most developers won't patch their old games to run better on the Pro.

[DMZ_P]

Same. Too bad I already platinum it.

[game4funz]

For me it's the Best platformer this gen so far.

Maybe last guardian will surpass it but it's a pretty high bar.

[ShottyatLaw]

I dont intend to get the Pro right away, but I'll still replay the game!

I appreciate any efforts to improve the game. People calling it lazy are just trolling. A year old $40 remake is still getting patched. That's far from lazy in my book.

[IamTylerDurden1]

I wouldn't say most. The majority of the biggest current games are being patched. CoD, Battlefield, Titan fall 2, Uncharted, Hitman, Deus Ex, Fifa, NBA 2K, Dishonored 2, Skyrim, TLoU, Infamous, Ratchet & Clank, Xcom 2, Tomb Raider, Watchdogs 2, For Honor, The Last Guardian, Mass Effect Andromeda, Gran Turismo Sport, Killing Floor 2, Nioh, Fallout 4, Red Dead 2, Days Gone, Horizon, Spider-man, Rigs, Until Dawn RoB, Driveclub VR, Battlezone, Eve Valkyrie, VR Worlds, Bound, The Witness, Knack, Helldivers and many more.

[raztad]

This is very very dissapointing actually. It was already dissapointing that the game werent 60fps on og ps4. It is un excusable no improving the framerate and only pushing for 4k. This is a platform game for fok sake. Totally lame that insomniac is only interested in graphics and no in fluidity.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"t is un excusable no improving the framerate and only pushing for 4k"

Well.....that is their game and their choice bud. They can push what ever they feel like it on their title soooooo yea.

[raztad]

Yes it is their choice though a bad one IMO. I actually like Ratchet and Clank, it is a pity game is not 60fps at least on the PRO, I guess they dont want to spend much on it.

[hiawa23]

How was it dissapointing the original game on OG was not 60 FPS. Given the graphics you expected the game to run 60FPS on the orig. Come on, they made the best game the hardware would allow.

[Pocketaces111]

Its a year old $40 game as stated above. They have moved on to spider man. I would much prefer they do a reasonably quick patch as a thank you to the fans and spend their time working on the next game. They owe us nothing for Ratchet and Clank yet they still chose to do this. I tip my hat to them

[PlayableGamez-]

I'm a little disappointed about this.

[fr0sty]

When you design a game engine to run at 30fps, when you double the frame rate it messes up the timing of everything. Any code dependent on that timing gets messed up as a result, so you have to go back and re-tool everything to get it all running right again. Say, for instance, that an object was supposed to move "X" distance per frame. Double the framerate just by flipping a switch, and that object now moves half as far. This would be true for any element of the game that relied on counting frames. The end result is a broken game. Not worth the effort to fix all that if sales aren't going to justify it.

[sher123win123]

then why nobody complain about this issues for all pc ports??

[uth11]

@sjer123win123

On PC you have to account for possible differences in hardware in your game design. You can't rely on precise timings because there are no guarantees

Precises hardware timing is part of the deep optimization consoles get, because it helps you to use hardware power to its fullest

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Dem mental gymnastics.
Dat excuse
Das damage control

[freshslicepizza]

When did this game come out? Sony should have told developers long ago they were working on the Pro and not just surprise them with an announcement a month before release.

[Imalwaysright]

Then how do you explain PC modders unlocking framerates in some games and the only thing that was accomplished was better gameplay? I smell BS.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

What @Frosty said may be right and it makes sense. Considering that Insomniac said before that 60 FPS don't sell games, maybe they don't want to bother with re-tooling or reworking anything and push the game graphically even further.

[freshslicepizza]

@XiKurapikaKurta
"Considering that Insomniac said before that 60 FPS don't sell games, maybe they don't want to bother with re-tooling or reworking anything and push the game graphically even further."

this is true but it would be nice if more games give the option so that those without 4k tv's can play at higher frame rates with the increased power of the ps4 pro. but insomniac is right, they would have to do quite a bit of work because it was never designed to be at 60fps, hopefully more games being made in the future will consider higher frame rates now that they have better hardware and not just push higher resolution. i suspect project scorpio will also be more towards graphics than higher frame rates.

the last of us came out on the ps4 with double the frame rate but sony sold the game again and it was not a free upgrade because it too likely had quite a bit of work done on it.

[Jman2]

This is a pretty poor argument, when developing modern engines we use variable game loops to avoid the fixed fps problem. This usually comes in the form of delta time and is around 5 lines of additional code + an addition * deltaTime where ever we need the vairble timeStep. It's not too much work for them to do it probably a few hours if that, do its more likely a design decision?

[GameBoyColor]

people talking about pc not having a problem with this, skyrim is literally is broken when you unlock fps because the physics is tied to framerate...

[kowan]

If this is true then the next R&C must run at 1080p(or higher) 60fps on the pro since they clearly can make it so.

[andrewsquall]

I'm glad they are doing anything really. Insomniac Games are very strict when it comes to moving onto the next project. They usually won't go back to a game out a while and this game was ready to go since early 2016 at least, they just had to wait for the movie to release.

[ShadowKnight]

Spiderman would be awesome in 1080 60fps

[Pancit_Canton]

I think PC gamer (I mean, master race) would literary lose their ****, If there's a system out there capable of running an AAA, Native 4K/60fps for $399.

[game4funz]

I'm pretty sure Nintendo could do that with Zelda ocarina of time. Hahaha

[starchild]

Maybe, but it won't happen. Not with current AAA type games.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Some will call it an excuse but his reasoning is actually sound. But it's also possible now that the next Ratchet game will run at 60fps because that can be made for the Pro as well.

[Corpser]

Lots of games won't run at 60 fps on pro

[XStation4pio_Pro]

ahhh! its almost here. come on thursday! i don't really care about 60 fps for something like this. i'd rather it be a solid 30 with upgraded graphics and rez. If it were a racing sim or an FPS I'd prefer 60 fps.

[Retroman]

Can't wait for Next Ratchet and Clank game hope it is " Going Commando" at 1080p 60fps

[P_Bomb]

When they put it that way, it makes sense. They're not gonna spend a ton of money to re-engineer the entire game for 60 when realistically, they won't make any of that money back. R&C was technically finished by late 2015. The next one will be developed with Pro in mind from the ground up.

[weissmuller]

Ok ok, now please port Sunset Overdrive to ps4

[senorfartcushion]

So worth that extra £/$400.
(!)
XD

[Starman69]

Gutted!!!

[SirCharles]

Because it would take more work than it's worth to rework the physics to run at 60fps.

[ASBO-5]

Because they are a lazy wanna be Naughty Dog bunch of sell outs

[Activemessiah]

All looks and no substance is all that I'm being fed here... is it too much to ask for 60fps?

[aksmashh]

"Keep in mind, Ratchet was in development way before PS4 Pro was a thing (or at least, one we knew about).

Ratchet’s utilization and optimization of the PS4 hardware was dialed in for a locked 30, so the effort to re-architect that would be gigantic'"

[Timesplitter14]

Just when consoles are finally getting powerful enough for 60 FPS, they have to increase the resolution and devolve back to 30 FPS....

[NotanotherReboot]

it's beyond a joke. Sony are really making my blood pressure rise as of late.

[NotanotherReboot]

Im angry at this. 60 FPS at 1080>>>>> 4k at 30

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I was really disappointed when the original didn't run at 60. Still running at 30 on the Pro is...whatever. I already got the platinum. I'll play a little bit just to see the extra flash, but I might have played through the whole game again at 60fps. It would feel like a newish game.

[TheDreamCorridor]

https://imgur.com/gallery/F...

[gbsrnctaln]

Resolution was absolutely fine in this game. I never noticed a lacking texture. I did however notice the 30fps, albeit a very consistent 30fps. Give me supersampled 1080/60 any day over 4k/30.

[subtenko]

wut, I thoought the normal version was 60fps. it looked 60fps.

[Babadook7]

Nope It was locked 30. This type of game just doesn't need 60. It played great and is not an fps. People will always ask for more tho.

[GrimmyReaper]

Still kinda sucks though.

Ratchet and Clank A Crack in Time still looks great, even today and that runs at 60fps locked.
It's one of the reasons why I still consider it the best of the series.

I like Ratchet and Clank (on ps4) but to just cut the framerate in half for visuals is something I seriously don't agree on. 60 FPS is just simply better and for me personally, if all future Ratchet and Clank games are gonna be 30 FPS, I don't think any can top the previous ones in 60 FPS.

[CernaML]

LOL A Crack in Time does not run at a locked 60fps. But it does look fantastic and runs really smooth.

[GrimmyReaper]

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

Fine, not locked. My bad.
But far closer to 60fps than 30fps.

I never experienced a huge frame drop the many times I played it. Even then, it still plays better than 30fps. Insomniac claimed in the past that frame rate has no impact on sales or reviews.

http://www.insomniacgames.c...

The poll only concluded 772 random people (with 1% off) and from that, they conclude that it doesn't matter. Not saying the frame rate was the only problem, but their next 3 games, Qforce, All4One and Into the Nexus sold considerably less than previous entries. We should take them with a grain of salt of course

Crack in Time : 1.8mil
All 4 One : 1.1mil
Q Force : 0.2mil
Into The Nexus : 0.6mil

I'm sure the 30fps that even went under that at times didn't help the last 3 games. By biggest problem is that after Crack in Time, they sacrificed frame rate for graphics. It's why I am a bit dissapointed in them. Ratchet and Clank on PS4 looks great but if I'm honest, plays worse compared to any of the previous versions where they aimed for 60fps. It's just a far smoother experience.

[showtimefolks]

ratchet and clank looks so amazing on ps4 can't wait to see how close they can get to game actually looking like a pixar movie

[xPaYDaYx]

Sounds like lazy devs to me. They built the game locked at 30 frames on the PS4? Ya okay lol.

[firelens]

As long as it looks better

[loverlink]

Forgot to mention that the majority of games fps are cpu bound most of the time.

[JCW2005]

im glad i cant tell the differences between 30 and 60. i just play and enjoy the game. its mostly just smoke and mirrors stuff

[Xasthirion]

I love how the PS4 Pro is already obsolete before it even comes out. Why does this thing even exist? Take another year and do it right like Scorpio. I don't and never have owned an Xbox but the Scorpio is clearly going to be more powerful. Pro just seems rushed and unnecessary...

[CernaML]

Scorpio is already obsolete as well with it only being 6tf. Its even worse that it comes out a year later.