BioShock PS3 has 5Gb, 10-minute mandatory install

The PS3 version of BioShock has a 5Gb mandatory install that takes a little over 10 minutes to complete.

[TheHater]

well I have a 179GB left out of my 250GB HDD. Plus this game is worth it unlike DMC4 and GTA IV. Played this on my xbox 360, and love it, and will be getting it for the ps3.

[mohib-uddin7986532]

Its well worth it if you want better graphics and faster loads ! ! !

Well at least Sony is showing us real use for the massive space ps3 has

Unlike Microsoft who cant becuase they sell 360's that dont even have hard drives

[Jamie Foxx]

without the benefit of a disc and it had amazing graphics,alot of people blast the 360 but atleast they never had this trouble

i cant be the only ps3 owner unhappy at the size of these installs an having to wait 10mins before you even get to the start screen on a game that has already been out on dvd9

SEEMS A HARDRIVE IN EVERY CONSOLE IS SADLY ALLOWING DEVELOPERS TO CUT CORNERS, instead of learning the ps3 architecture properly

20&40g owners i feel for you,time to upgrade that harddrive

[HighDefinition]

Smoke a spliff while you wait.

[Harry190]

it sound as if DMC4 and GTA4 are extremely mediocre games in the same category as Haze or Too Human. Far from it, they may have been disappointing for some, but they were still very solid games with no major flaw.I had a great time playing both. And yes, if there is a drive, why not use it if it makes things better? When you install the 2gb chunk for Soul Calibur 4, it makes the game significantly better by reducing the load time enormously.

[cliffbo]

there is an easy solution to the 10 minute install... buy it 10 minutes earlier

[radio0o]

i love when they use the HDD. i have never really noticed load times, pop in, etc on my ps3. im so happy all PS3s have HDD by default.

i much rather have a install time in the beginning where i can go get a sandwhich and come back instead of interrupting in the middle of the game with load times or weird pop ins and tearing

[Captain Tuttle]

Bubble cliffbo

[Idonthatejustcreate]

Pros:
Good story
Good Graphics
Trophie support

Cons:
Huge install
Old tech - Has been out for the xbox360 about a year.
No longevity because of lack of multiplayer or personal customization.

I dunno if it's worth it for me with all the amazing games coming out, but imo the more games the marrier so even though I won't buy it im positive some others will.

[chaosatom]

because then there is going to be rumor that this isn't true.

and then another one, and then another one.

[NegativeCreep427]

If you plan on buying LittleBigPlanet like myself, continue to think about ideas and themes and visualize what kind of levels you're going to create once you get you hands on that game.

Or even better for yourself, do some Perfect Pushups while you wait.

[Genesis5]

I really don't care. I'm buying it, playing it. Then when I am done with it, deleting it.

[Irving]

Doesn't sound as big as it would've if I was still on 60GB hdd, just upgraded to brand new Seagate 320GB yesterday. Now bring it on :D

[bpac123456789]

regardless of what anybody says ps3 fan or not this is getting out of hand. theres no reason that we should have a 5gb install. not even metal gear solid took up that much and i know that its bigger than this game. Developers are getting to lazy they need to stop this sh**. Im still going to get the game but im tired of deleting stuff to make room. IF THIS DOESNT STOP SOON INSTALLS ARE GOING TO KEEP GETTING LARGER AND LARGER. (and no "upgrade your harddrive" is not the answer. if people spend $400 on a system they shouldn't have to upgrade there harddrive because of game installs.

[Spydiggity]

you have to be one crazy fanboy to praise mandatory installs. who cares if you have infinite, it's still an inconvenience. and to the people bringing up 360 just as a side note to add your two cents about how much you think it sucks cuz it...umm...doesn't have install times. GROW UP! fine if you are excited about this game, fine if you don't mind the installs, but don't bring the 360 into this. and don't act like these installs are a GREAT thing either. they are just something you have to get used to on ps3 so there's no use complaining about it, but if you did complain, that would at least be justified. but not this undeserved praise.

i played through this game on my 360 twice and i don't remember very many load times at all, and there was no 10 minute install. oh, and the developer said the games are about the same size and they didn't need a blu ray. so for the guys saying it's bigger cuz it's better looking...read the news releases again. all they did was improve some of the textures. that doesn't really take up extra space. they are just replacing one texture with another.

I don't get the unjustified praise for something that, at best, is tolerable. Bioshock is a great game, and i know ps3 exclusive owners are gonna like it and will finally get a really good game on their system. but come on. don't make this into a which system is better topic.

[anh_duong]

mandatory installs are bad if they don't improve performance but if they improve performance then why the hell shouldn't you praise them? when i buy a ferrari i use all the gears. likewise when i want faster data retrieval i want a hard drive. dvd drives are freaking slow, noisy and unreliable and can't keep up with yesterdays computers let alone today's nextgen games consoles.

i am praising installs, microsoft agrees with me because during e3 in july they think installs in the fall update will:

speed up loading times
reduce noise
prolongue the life of my console

(these are actual microsoft statements)

microsoft believes in installs and i will install all my hard drive optimised games because i can and it does exactly what microsft believes it will do

can your arcade or 20gig xbox premium install two full xbox games to take advantage of the benefits of install??

btw: these are exactly the same reason i spend 30 minutes installing all my ps2 games onto a hard disk using hdloader

[DaTruth]

I have a problem with installs that are 80% the size of the original game on 360. Might as well buy it off PSN. I didn't buy Siren because i didn't want to use so much space and I prefer the physical copy, but i might as well. If it wasn't for the extra downloadable stuff that then becomes part of your gamedata it wouldn't be such a problem, but if i delete it I have to re-download all the new stuff after just to play the game again.

[red5ive]

i actually don't mind the installs. what's a few minutes eh?? if it'll improve the game's experience then by all means. this a good example of why we should all upgrade our ps3's hdd guys! it's so easy and it doesn't void our warranty. i live in toronto, and i got a seagate 320gb momentus 5400.5 for $95 at my local computer store! it took me like 6 minutes to replace my hdd. i bought a $20 enclosure from best buy to put my extra 60gb hdd to use it as an external hard drive for my crappy pc. now i have some extra room for all my por....................... word documents.

[IaMs12]

For all those who think the PS3 version will have better graphics id re-read, they stated quite earlier that they are simply trying to PAR with the 360 version... which is great! looked and was awesome! Of course though certain spots will look better on PS3 and then again on the 360 its always like that...
Load faster probably but you really dont need it, doesnt take long to load in the first place, i do not understand why they need this...

[marionz]

thats like well over half the total size of the game!

i know blue ray is slower to load things but this is rediculous!

no im not bashing either because im gettin a ps3 soon, but i do find this kinda shocking, bioshock is an awesome though, sill one of my all time faves

[xhairs9]

Incorrect my friend, your whole post is ludicrous. To begin we'll start with Dev's cutting corners because of HDD. Wrong. Dev's don't cut corners because they're allowed HDD space, in fact that's beneficial to us as gamers that they do this. Where could you even possibly say they are cutting corners? lol - I actually did smile.

Second, 10 minutes, who cares. By now this is so typical I honestly don't see the problem. Games WILL have installs, get used to it, I have. All I have to say is, at least our installs are beneficial unlike another console which I wont name.

Anyways, stop your cryin, go back to playin CoD4 (or should I say PoS4.)

[nan0]

Finally getting a good game? I laugh in your face. MGS4 is one of the best games of all time, it spits in bioshock's mouth. Just MGS4 alone, I don't even need to bring up any other games.

[Mike Bowden]

Sucks to be a 40Gb PS3 owner with lots games.

[bluecapone]

just upgrade your HDD its real cheap

[krik]

Just upgrade with one of these Seagate Momentus 250Gb

http://www.provantage.com/s...

It's just $64.80, basically the price of a PS3 game. I did that to my awesome Gun Metal PS3 and love it ;)

PS: After you upgrade your HDD with a 250Gb (or more) drive you actually start looking forward for games with installers :-)

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

This s*cks!

This is turning into a "standard" now. S*cks to be a 20GB or 40GB PS3 owner right now. Suddenly that bargain $400 you paid for it turned into a $500 purchase because you have to purchase a new hard drive and install it.

Unfortunately, for me I own the 40GB MGS4 LE PS3.... I don't want to open it and install a new hard drive in it or pay extra $$$ for it. Hard drive installs should be optional, unless there is a cr*p load of space on it by standard! I don't care that I can upgrade it or not.... Sony sold me a device and if that is a requirement it should be included. I don't want to turn my PS3 in to a constant upgradeable PC.

[Ju]

@Idle. Stop your rant, already. What are you afraid of ? You still got 40G, no? Or are you telling me your drive is full already. You must have bought a ton of games, then, since the MGS LE bundle was sold since June, I guess. Me OTHO, I'm running out of space now on my 60G (10G Linux). But I have mine since about 2 years now, and I have a ton of PSN games on it, too. Obviously, this will happen sooner or later. I don't mind buying me a new HD. But I want to go with a huge one. I'll wait a bit more to get a 320G below $100, if possible. So ? Its an investment for the next 5 years or so, I'd guess.

[HighDefinition]

99% of the time people disagree w/ you cause your WRONG. Everyone`s not crazy, swallow your EGO and look at it sensibly, instead of trying to act like it everyone else`s fault.

Period.

[nizza]

It's replaced my Pc at home. I dug it out after not using it for 4 months so I could play spore. I do everything else, including posting on N4G from my PS3

[HighDefinition]

The Artical you linked to

“We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other (home) computer functions,” said Harrison. “The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC.“

What you said
"even sony wants the ps3 to be a constantly upgraded pc."

So how exactly to you see that as Sony wanting you to upgrade like a PC from that?

Cause that`s what you originally said......

Bullsh!t your way out of that one.

Cause what I see is, them saying is the PS3 has many of the capabilities of PCs, which it does.

[Common Sense]

Your logic is flawed.

Uncharted doesn't install on the harddrive and it has 0 load times and it looks better than ALL 360 games even Gears 2.

[BWS1982]

I disagreed with you because I have a laptop and a PS3, and I don't feel that a simple harddrive upgrade is so bad, it's optional and cheap and easy. If I needed to max out the PS3 and upgrade it's RAM, RSX chip, add a cell processor, AND the HD, THEN I'd say you have a point. How is a hard drive upgrade for a console system any different than WiFi not being built in and having to purchase a $100 wifi adaptor, or having to subscribe to online gaming? I'm no fanboy (I think the 360 is a good console), but your tunnel vision is making you look like one....it's called accessorizing, get used to it, it's gaming and it's technology.

There, I'm not part of any "fanboy patrol", I disagreed, and explained in a civil, concise, effective manner why I did. Get over it, people aren't fanboys for not seeing eye to eye.

[shelbygt33]

40GB owner here...

And I'm with the crowd that doesn't want to install a new HDD. The 20GB (only 13 usable) Xbox360 I have sitting right next to it has about 5 GB's of space left open. But in Xbox games, that's going to be enough to last me for a long time (until they start requiring mandatory installs).

Here I was thinking that the 40GB PS3 would last me even LONGER than the 20gb X360. But, I was wrong. I have 10GB left on my PS3 - most of those are game installs, but one movie as well. So, I really only have two game installs left to go before it gets tricky.

[Pika-pie]

Delete install files of games you havent played in a while. 5gigs isnt too bad. 40GB, or say 35gigs after all your DLC = 7 games. You cant be playing 7 games all at once.

[shelbygt33]

I'm not the only one who plays on it, and my game play type is that I play a game for 30 minutes, put it down, next hour play the next game... In one Sunday I could easily play 5 games, ya know?
So deleting installs, only to have to wait to reinstall it in a week or two, would be annoying.

[PimpHandStrong]

thats 4sure

[LiquifiedArt]

WTF. THIS ISN'T GAME NEWS ITS COMPLETE NONSENSE.

Thats like me writing a damn blog and saying,

"The Little Big Planet manual has a WHOPPING 60 pages to read. Better get your glasses, you'll be reading more then playing for this game."

[Mike Bowden]

I don't see people complaining about Trophy stories. Same thing, really.

[Ben1054]

see them complaining about a news article about some guys baby either

[Masta_Killa]

I really feel sorry for the 20GB owners. Do yourselves a favor and upgrade the HDD.

[thewhoopimen]

True. I did. I got a Western Digital 250gb for around 64.00 as well. The poster earlier up who got the Seagate Momentus... i feel bad for you. You should've read the reviews. This WD on pricewatch is as fast as 7200 rpm drives.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

The only problem there is you have to use another PS3 to transfer the stuff to your new harddrive.

I'm on a college campus in Alabama...where they only have 360's...due to the lack of knowledge in the gaming world.

[hfaze]

"The only problem there is you have to use another PS3 to transfer the stuff to your new harddrive."

Alllllllrightythen... I've done hard-drive swaps on multiple PS3's now (60GB, two 80GB's, and quite a few 40GB's), and I have never used another PS3 to transfer the data...

I have a good 'ol USB hard drive (formatted in FAT32) that works wonders. Honestly, you can use any USB storage device that has the capacity to hold the amount of data on your PS3 hard drive.

I was able to get away with using a 2GB USB flash drive on one of my buddy's 40GB PS3's. The only thing he had on the hard drive was a few game saves.

[whothedog]

I dunno if I will play this game right away, its coming out at a bad time, But the game does look very awesome.

[Blink_44]

Crap i have only about 39gb left.

Oh well this game is so worth it.

[mohib-uddin7986532]

Xbox 360 is limited PS3 is not

PS3 has the option of having betetr load times than 360. 360 doesnt becuase MS made a mistake by not included a hard drive in all 360's

[DarK-SilV]

@

[jack who]

we 360 owners are happy with that...we wait tilll the update comes out and we an chose to put the full game too the hdd.....keyword "chose"

edit thanks for the spell check"useless"

[PirateThom]

Keyword - "choose"

[morganfell]

The spell check is fine. It can only function as well as the troglodyte using it.

It isn't a grammar for idiots tool though. And there isn't any choice as a 360 owner when you can pick either filling the remaining part of a new 20GB drive with a mere two games or pay a ridiculous exorbitant price for a 120GB proprietary hunk of crap drive.

Choice in a HDD is what the PS3 provides.

[Thoas]

This game comes out the same day as Little big planet. PS3 owners are going to pass on Bioshock in record numbers, plus people who wanted to play it already did on Xbox 360. Bioshock might sale 2,000 copys in the first week then it will go down hill after that.

[fafoon]

With The 150g thats left from my 250g HDD

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

If you did that on a xBox 360 it would RRoD before it got done!!! ;-D

What was the Magic Number M$ keeps hiding from everyone...
68%!!! ;-D

[BLuKhaos]

"The spell check is fine. It can only function as well as the troglodyte using it." lol nice.

[juuken]

But of course 360 fanboys will deny it so...

[pixelsword]

If people are talking about waiting for downloadable movies to sputter along, I think I can wait 10 min for a game to run smoothly.

[Pain]

Its the End of the F(*&^%$ world as we know it.......

so what all XBOX 2 ports need installs.. what else is new?

[ErcsYou]

5gb... isn't that almost the entire game? It sure will load fast and will be whisper quiet

[Bladestar]

as I say before... people should include a 200GB+ hard drive in the total cost of the PS3 since what the PS3 comes with fills up very quickly... I mean don't people always add a bunch of unnecessary stuff like wireless adapter when trying to undermine the xbox 360 price advantage?

[PirateThom]

Why?

You can delete the data from the hard drive when you're finished with the game, so why try and spin it?

The PS3 has a HDD as default, the 360 doesn't have wireless.

Do you see how silly your comment was?

[CViper]

MGS4...
Uncharted..
Motorstorm..
Ratchet..
UT3..
DMC..
GT5p..
heavenly Sword..
Bioshock..

You would have enough space on your HDD still. I understand why Xbox owners are so concerned over HDD because they don't have the option of swapping with any and not voiding warranties, but honestly.. its ok. Most people will read a manual and know you can swap, and you can uninstall after you beat the game. Or, wait until your HDD is full.. and just swap it with 120gb for $60.00.

You cant factor in HDD considering its not mandatory to play games. Unlike if you bought Burnout for the core 360, you have to have one to play online.

Wireless technology is standard on the PS3 because its a popular feature for most electronics these days, it has little to nothing to do with gaming more so than not wanting a clutter of wires in your living room.

[ErcsYou]

....nobody has DMC4 or Ut3 installed anymore.. get over it.

[thewhoopimen]

Sure bladestar let's factor it in.

I bought a Western Digital 250 gb drive for $64.00

You will pay what? $199 for your 120 for the 360?

hmmm... guess the ps3 is still a better deal.

[cliffbo]

delete some of your PSN games, when you finish Bioshock, download them again. it's simple really

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I mean, I have a 20 gig.

It's filled with Oblivion, DMC4, GTAIV, and some smaller games. I can't fit anything else on it...no music, videos, etc.

These mandatory installs will go straight onto an external harddrive though.

Also, you can only redownload PSN games 5 times, dude. I lose count.

[PirateThom]

You can download the games to five activated machines, but you have unlimited downloads per machine.

[Irving]

"people should include a 200GB+ hard drive in the total cost of the PS3"

And people should factor in cost of Live to 360's cost. So if you own a 360 for six years with Live subscription, you pay about 300$ just to play online. Lol so at the end of its generation, you'd have actually paid for two consoles to Microsoft, and owned just one :(

See, I can spin stuff too.

[HighDefinition]

How quickly do you think the 20GB 360 owners HDD will fill up, when 360 games start getting HUGE installs due to DVD.

$180 later (which is the price of the ARCADE BTW)

[cliffbo]

Arcade owners need not participate

[cherrypie]

No. They dont. Because the Arcade has a DVD, which is able to play BioShock without needing a HD-install.

On the other hand, PS3 owners *must* do an install to get over the slow through-put rates of BluRay.

I think you've just TOTALLY missed the point.

You == EPIC fail.

[iceman2885]

And here I am thinking that we were finally done reporting and having people complain/argue over install times and install sizes...

[watashi hideo kojima]

is it really worth for my 5 gb space i dont know.why shouldnt i wait for bs 2?

[Rob0g0rilla]

It's not like you can't delete the 5gbs when you're done. BioShock is a good game but when I beat it I never played it again.

[AssassinHD]

BioShock for the PC had a mandatory install.

[JD_Shadow]

HAHA!! + Bubbles for that!

[Lex Luthor]

But its the PC version, it's expected. Not for a console though, are you stupid or what?

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

thats it... i wasnt sure if i should buy a new 320gb HDD for $99... now with all games that are coming out this fall(R2, SOCOM, MS2, bioshock, etc) i need MORE space. i only have 10gb left outta 55gb...

thank god that sony allows 3rd party HDDs

[chrisnick]

where exactly are u getting that for that price....i want one too.

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

heres the harddrive

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

[cherrypie]

*snicker*5400rpm*snicker*

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

haha, shows how much you know about HDDs...

sony recommends us to use 5400rpm

plus the difference between 7200rpm and 5400rpm is unnoticeable and not worth the extra $$

now go back to playing your 360 with a whopping 20gb HDD

[chrisnick]

good thing sony never tried to sell me a system with no hdd and think i was retarded enough to buy it.

[TheMART]

So 40GB PS3 owners are getting problems with space nowadays after so many games that need installations

Damn. So actually their PS3 didn't cost 400 bucks
They need to fork out another 100 bucks to upgrade the HDD because the installations are forced

[jack who]

thats the only good thing about the ps3 that they can go to anywhere buy any hdd and put it in there..if it wasnt for that ill be feeling bad for all there mandotaory 5gb installions

[ravinshield]

oblivion...4.6gb required
sony may cry 4...4.7gb-20 min install
full auto 2...1.7gb required
spider man 3...2.3gb-five min install
hot shot golf...5gb-five min install
skate...2.5gb--five min install
rainbow six vegas 2...3.4gb required
wwe smackdown vs raw 2008....2.3gb required
F.E.A.R...2.5gb required
NBA 07....3gb-ten min install
lost....3.6gb---six minute install
conflict denied ops...2.5gb required
beowulf---2.5gb---five minute install
GT prologue--5349MB..13 minutes install
Quake=4.1 GB install
GTA 4...5 min install.
battlefield:BC...300mb required
Bourne Conspiracy..5GB Install required
metal gear solid 4...8 min install,4.6 GB required
(UPDATE)BIOSHOCK......5.0 GB required, 10 min mandatory install
Vampire Rain....3.8GB install required

[heyheyhey]

or... they could play the game and delete the install after??

the HDD you can get for $100 will be pretty big, 320gb if they can shell out an additional $50

and never have to worry about space on their PS3 again..... unlike on another console that only goes up to 120gb... and that's only if you get the most expensive SKU

what a shame eh?

EDIT: oh yeah and the 40gb is gone man, it's now 80gb

[DarK-SilV]

at least it didn't take Sony that long to upgrade 40 GB to 80 GB with the same price, now look at MS it took them almost 3 years to upgrade from 20GB oh sorry I meant 13GB to 60GB
Ps3 HDD are way cheap and you can use them as external HDD unlike 3fime HDD

[pwnsause]

LOOLLOLOL look at the bots making controversy on PS3 installs. Remember GTAIV you dumb bots? thanks to that PS3 install, the Game didnt freeze up while loading a section of the game. The 360 version however...

Edit: thats like saying the original Xbox never had a HDD! ROFL WAFFLES!!!!!!

[sak500]

@ravenshield

Wow thats lots of hdd space and i belive few hours gone in installation only. Where does BD's massive capacity fit in all this? OR the cell's super power of decoding anything on the fly? Sony sure pulled a fast one on its lovers.

Edit @ 2.8 (make ur name more difficult to type)
Dint know 2.5" notebook sata drives were 100$ for 300GB where is this kind of deal?

[whothedog]

I didn't know people are so ignorant,

TheMart: 350 or whatever for a console oh wait $50 a year to just play ONLINE, hope you don't plan on playing for over 3 years than its $150, Also Its a HDD you can delete, you probably just don't know about complicated stuff like that.

why is it a bad thing for games to take advantage of a feature? would you rather it be useless like a 20gb?

Loading it onto the hdd should give the game better performance if I'm not mistaking? and I would gladly wait for a better time. Plus show me a game that looks as good as Killzone 2 or Heavy Rain and than I might listen to you 360 crybabies.

[IzKyD1331]

I'd rather spend 100 bucks for a 300GB HDD than 80 bucks for a 20GB one

[Rob0g0rilla]

You can't do much without one and Microsoft's prices for HDDs are overpriced. 120 GBS = 140 bucks? 180? I'm not sure but that's a rip off and the arcade owners will have no choice but to buy a HDD to actually play every game the 360 has to offer. I mean 40gb PS3 owners can just delete there installs but arcade owners will be the ones dishing out 80-140 bucks to play 360 games and some online like Burnout that require you to buy a HDD. There's not one game 40 gb ps3 users are incompatible with. Everyone is the same out the box but that can't be said about Arcade users. They don't have a HDD and 360 games are on DVDs and there's space issues. I see more HDD games required for 360 in the future. On top of that they are incompatible with some 360 games that require a HDD.

[juuken]

...You are one stupid ass moron.

Harddrives don't cost that much. You can get one for at least $80.00 at the max.

At least PS3 owners don't have to upgrade to a new system because their other system ran out of space. -.-

And this install isn't that bad, considering I can read the game manual, browse the internet while it installs.

Love how you guys make a big deal out of this.

[karlostomy]

Mart, you make an excellent point.

Testament to how excellent your point was, are the multitude of replies which attack your fine logic.
It is *absolutely true* that 40 gb owners will eventually run out of gamespace due to forced installs.

Ultimately, 360 fans and PS3 fans have to consider this:>>>>

1. I can play Bioshock flawlessly on a 360 arcade (without HDD or installs). This Console will cost me $199.

2. I can play Bioshock flawlessly on an entry level ps3, but must forgo limited space on the HDD. This console will cost me $400. If my HDD is full, it will cost me $100+ extra, to get a bigger HDD, because the install is forced and most reasonable people don't delete their favourite games!

So, to summarise, which will it be, play Bioshock for $199 (360) or $400-500 (ps3)?

That's ultimately what it boils down to for a gamer.
All the rest is fanboyism!

[BLuKhaos]

you mean $200(RROD) or $4-500(PS3) oh and you're a stupid gimp for even considering the HDD-less 360.

[300]

The multitude of replies and disagrees, are all because of Colostomy and Mart’s fanboyism for the 360, that manifests itself in constant attacks on the PS3. The Mart then gets his lap dog “Colostomy Bag” to bring him his slippers, and bark in agreement.

1. Between the two of them, their PS3 hatred prevented them from one simple piece of logic. Install a game, play the game, when completed, remove the install file to free up harddrive space, simple. The game install and the game saves are 2 separate files. The game saves are small in size so don’t take up much space. If in 6 months time, you want to replay the game, then re-install the game, the saves are still present on your harddrive. Of course they wouldn’t know this, they don’t own a PS3, but they like to troll PS3 posts.

Point 2. If you want a bigger HD, a 160gb hd will cost you $50 and is easy to install. Sony support this, and explain how in the manual. Microsoft want you to buy their expensive harddrive, and if you try to upgrade that 360 harddrive with an industry standard one, its not simple and you’ll invalidate your warranty.

Most informed gamers know the pro’s and con’s of each system. Everything else is fanboyism, the Mart and Colostomy have shown countless time their biased views, BS, fud spreading ways. So do most people take anything they say seriously, er NO. Thats why their bubble count is low.

[Stryfeno2]

Wow

[juuken]

I agree with you completely. They're freakin' dumbasses. -.-

[karlostomy]

1. Bioshock 360 cost $199
2. Bioshock ps3 cost $400-500

This is undeniably the truth, yet look at all the obsessive replies that desperately deny the facts.

The choice above is so simple.
It's all about the games

[300]

The Truth, NO Colostomy, xbot spin.

Entry level ps3 vs 360. A 360 arcade is $199, The PS3(40gb) is $359, not $400-500. Why sya the next 2 sku prices for PS3 and not say the360’s next skus of $259-$399? Because its biased xbot spin, making the cost difference bigger than it is.

An entry level PS3(40gb) can play all ps3 games to their full extent, DLC like map packs, add-ons etc, and online play, such as “Burnout Paradise”? A hd upgrade is not forced. Read comment above. Will the 360 arcade play all games to their full extent, DLC and online, NO. So either add $90/$159 for the 20/120gb hd on that $199 arcade or pay out $259 for the core 360. If you want online gameplay, then pay out $50 each year.

Thats the undeniable truth, the simple choice for gamers. Its more than about just one game "Bioshock". If you want obsessive compulsion in denying the facts, look in a mirror.

[karlostomy]

You are getting really upset again aren't you?
Man, don't pop a vein! lol

I'll say it again, because you still don't get it:

1. Bioshock 360 cost $199
2. Bioshock ps3 cost $400-500

Btw, whose multiple account are you?
You seem to have created this account just to reply to my comments.
That's a bit obsessive, don't you think? Is it normal for you to show obsessive traits?

Who are you really?
Go on,tell me who your real account is...
...you can be honest, I won't judge you...

[arika]

who cares as long as it makes the game run faster and smoother, heck then i'm all for it.. i'll just prepare me a ten inch thick sandwich and buy me a 12 can beer then it's all good...

if you don't have space on your hdd then upgrade for a small cost and don't b***ch around saying its it's too hard or expensive...

[vlazed]

There is no excuse for this at this point. All this tells me is that these devs aren't as good as Naughty Dog.

[KingDizzi]

Well I have a 160GB HDD so could not care less however I fell exactly the same about the game. But I have 100GB left since I have installed 7 games, demos etc and will do well when GOW 3, KZ2, LBP, FFXIII, Versus and GT5 release.

[wray77]

version, it's unfortunate the ps3 players didn't get to play it before all the spoilers were out there.

[ErcsYou]

nevermind

[I Make Stuff Up]

I don't know. Maybe Naughty Dog made a deal with the Dark One?
Or maybe you're just an ignorant trolling moron?
Take your pick.

*EDIT*
Oh god, it's the pathetic change-my-post-a-minute retard (wray77) again.
Just ignore his posts.

[Cerbus]

It's a good thing most of us played the PC version which is far superior to xbox version

[ROCCOZILLA]

every game that has this download seems to play awsum.plus it gives me time to eat before i play my new game.P L A Y B 3 Y O N D !!

[heyheyhey]

so? we get additional content and improved graphics

[macalatus]

...and stuff like "system reliability", trophies, and free PSN!

[KingDizzi]

Here in the UK the 120GB HDD for 360 is £130 whereas you can get a 320GB HDD for PS3 for £80.

So yeah, good job on Sony making the HDD for the system a Sata 2.5" so any old HDD is fine.

[I Make Stuff Up]

That's like saying that PS3 and 360 games have mandatory HD output when compared to the Wii.
It's stupid.
The HDD in the PS3 is a feature developers know they can rely on. Calling these installs "mandatory" makes it sound like the games couldn't work without the installs. Yes, I know SOME people need to make it seem that way, but they're wrong.
And retarded.

@Below
And without a video connection to my TV I also can't play it.
Shall we collect articles on that too?
Oh wait. I need to put the disc into the PS3 slot. And before that I have to turn it on? Really?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

It is mandatory though.

The same with Oblivion, GTAIV, DMC4, and Lost Planet.

Without the install, you can't play the game. It won't let you.

[I Make Stuff Up]

Developers: Every PC has a HDD...we can use installs. Every PS3 has a HDD...we can use installs. Some 360 don't have a HDD...we're screwed.

[cliffbo]

@Omega

tell that to the Arcade owners when they want GTA DLC

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Mandatory?

I don't have space on my HDD. I got a 20 gig.

Thanks a lot, guys!!!

I guess I won't be getting it then.

[bunbun777]

That'll show those developers what for! But using an excuse of only having 20gigs is ridiculous- upgrade for the price of the money you saved not buying Bioshock then you- like most all PS3 owners- will be able to enjoy all the games......forever!

PS: Mandatory Installs in my opinion are a non-issue- have nothing bad to say about them at all.

Nothing.

(ok i couldnt help it- if a developer is phoning it in then sure installs could be a crutch- but who wants bad games from bad developers- it has nothing really to do with the install itself- I love the install in SC4)

[Sangria]

5 Gb or 5 GB?
Because 8 b = 1 B, so if it is 5 Gb, it would mean the game has a 625 MB installation, which is much more decent than 5 GB.

[WhittO]

why you have games like Uncharted or COD4 which only take up like 20mb!!
Uncharted has one load for the entire play session and cod4 loading isnt that long, and theres no pop-up or anything.

I guess depends how good the developer is?

[TheHater]

yeah, Uncharted had one 30-45 second load time, without any installation, and that was it. the game only load once.

[Rampant]

PS3fanboys whine all the time about multiple discs for 360, so why wouldn't we laugh about a 10 minute install for ps3? If a disc change takes 20 seconds, it would need a 30 disc game to "ruin the experience" for 360 users the same way that Bioshock will be "ruined" for ps3users.

But guess what? Nobody cares :D

[Dyingduck]

It's not about the quantity of time by the number of cycles...that and having improved loading time and gameplay

Of course, you don't get it because you're a typical dumb, retarded Xbot

[Rampant]

Installing games also takes up hard drive-space. My bad. Thanks for reminding me.

[CViper]

swapping discs is dated, and its due to lack of space. Swapping discs doesn't speed up load times or provide any gaming benefits, unlike installs.

HDD install is an option the benefits games, like PC games and upcoming Full PS3 HDD install titles like Burnout and Football Manager.

Swapping a disc is the indicator that its time to upgrade to another media.

Everyone pretends HDD installs are so bad, but everyone is foaming at the mouth at the idea of installing games on the 360 hdd fully, which is something the PS3 already does.

sooooo stupid.

[Rampant]

And i guess it benefits the people with 20 gb ps3s that doesn't want / know how to upgrade their hard drive. Sure, you can delete games when you have played them, and then install them again.... But isn't that like a 10-20 minute disc swap then ;)

[Rampant]

Installing games on 360 will be optional.
Installing games on PS3 is mandatory.

A little different, ey?

[juuken]

...Why do you insist on the fact that dinosaur technology is better than the technology used on the PS3?

[Rampant]

... when did I say that?

[anh_duong]

coming to xbox owners this fall

xbox hard drive installs. these are the OFFICIAL microsoft reason for hard drive installs:

1. faster loading times
2. quieter game play
3. less strain on the xbox laser

these are from Major Nelson presentation at e3:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

"Play from hard drive. You'll be able to copy game discs to your Xbox 360 hard drive. Installing the games will prevent wear 'n tear on the disc drive, and will shorten load times. You will still need the disc in the disc tray to prove you own the game."

only problem is the install requires you to install the whole game - which is on average 7 gigs.

hard drive install will not only improve your gaming experiences (quiter, faster, less slow downs/pop ups) but reduce the mechanical failure rate of your gaming console. this is a fact.

only disagree if you believe you might have small penis.

[n4gzz]

But i have only 20 gig hard drive on my 360 and almost 10 gig is taken already and there is no way i will be forking out $120 for 60 gig upgrade. It would be nice if was built with that purpose but its little late now. Its not gonna help vast majority of 360 owners.
You can justify whatever the way you want to but MS made mistake on rushing product out and I am victim of that (RROD twice on me).

[chrisnick]

i disagree!!!!!!

[Captain Tuttle]

Installs on the 360 will be optional. You have a choice.

[anh_duong]

unless you are an arcade owner or 20gig owner. which is well over 80% of xbox owners. can't install much with 11 gig to work on.

only optional if you paid up for an elite or at least 100 bucks for 120gig drive.

ie. most xbox owners won't get to benefit from:

faster load times
quieter machine
more reliable machine

[Captain Tuttle]

I have a 20 gig and while I agree that the 360's Hard Drive prices are ridiculous I still have the option of not installing the game and getting the full experience. So do Arcade owners. Just turn up the sound on the TV a bit to cover up the jet engine.

[n4gzz]

This is funny, all the ps3 owners are the one who's hdd space (some) will be filled by installation and all 360 fanboys have problem with that.

[InMyOpinion]

Been a while since I last saw this amount of damage control. Keep up the good work, guys!

[PirateThom]

Yeah, like that RRoD report that was removed from the main pages because of 360 fanboys freaking out.

[anh_duong]

i think every major ps3 game has had mandotary install. it isn't like this topic is new. i think every developer prefers to work with a hd drive; i know having a hd as standard across all skus is a bonus. having no hd install is like driving a ferrari without getting out of first gear. the slowest and most unreliable component on any games console is the dvd/blu-ray drive by a million miles.

jenzo, you are smart. i think you know what the truth is.

[I Make Stuff Up]

Now we know how bad your taste in "music" is.

[InMyOpinion]

As I said, keep up the good work!

@I make stuff up - Are you more of a Justin Timberlake kinda guy? Christian rock perhaps?

[I Make Stuff Up]

It's Britney, b!tch.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

I dont mind dropping any game on my SATA hard drive!!!

FYI
If you have access to a Fry's Electronics
THey always have sales on 320GB external drives and guess what? open them up and inside is a 2.5" sata HD that fits perfectly in your PS3!!!!
FOR $100.00!!!
Cant beat that No WAY!!!!
Do it!! takes about 10minutes!!!

[Drekken]

OMG its the end of the PS3...

I would rather have a HDD for mandatory installs then no HDD for optional installs.

If you die-hards think I still have the files from DMC4 and such on my harddrive you are wrong. I play the game and delete it when I am done. There is always room for the next game. And you know what... when it gets to the point of me needed more space. I will buy a new hard drive.

Please stop posting GAMEX Has X.XGB of installs for PS3. This isnt NEWS. GET A LIFE.

[pain777pas]

I have like 19gigs left on my 60 gig its about time to upgrade but I want like 500gigs for cheap. Who knows where the deals are? post a link if you please.

[TheHater]

a 7200RPM 250GB harddrive - http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

but you can just check newegg for any SATA Laptop HDD. Any SATA laptop hardrive will work, but it have to be 2.5

[pain777pas]

@the hater
Thanks! I'm going to check that out!!!!!!!!

[jay2]

Nothing new there then, NEXT.

[Meus Renaissance]

Screw that.

[sajj316]

I will install the game's 5 GB onto my hard disc. I will then proceed to beat the game. I will then delete the 5 GB install. I will then call it a day.

[wray77]

Using words such as Xbots and Sony droids, or other words from the console war vocabulary, is strictly prohibited in this Zone.

It's too bad we didn't pay attention to it.

[PSWe60]

a X-Box 360 owner loses a house to a fire.

Please support your local X-Box 360 owner by pledging money towards the purchase of a PS3.

Thank You

[cliffbo]

to hell with 250GB i want 500GB :)

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2...

[Aclay]

I wonder so many people (especially Xbox 360 fanboys) make such a big deal about a Mandatory Install for a PS3 game. Installs for PS3 games have been going on for a long time now and any time I hear a game having a mandatory install for the PS3, I'm not really surprised. Plus, the PS3 can be upgraded to any 2.5" SATA Hard drive, so it's no big deal. I've got around 27GB left in my launch 60GB PS3 and I was planning to upgrade it to a 250GB pretty soon anyways.

Most likely I wont be picking up Bioshock for the PS3 until later on this year in Decemeber or Jan. 2009 because there's other games coming this Fall I want to get my hands on first

A 5GB install is nothing whenever the PS3's hard drive can be upgraded so easily.

[J@D]

Not problem for me. it worth the space after all.

[ape007]

my god,it's a big problem for ps3

why,just why,it's the same as 360 version

[DJ]

No, seriously.

[Owner360-PS3]

Why does my 360 version require no install and very little load times ? 5gb is hella much when you start adding up several games on your hdd

[TrooGamer]

Sriously who cares.

There obviously a reason for it..accept it or dont accept it

Guarantee more 360 will have this soon...watch this space.

[ScottEFresh]

lol space on an HDD is nothing...5GB for improved visuals and miniscule load times...thank you 2K!!!!

[etownone]

haha.. pretty funny to see 20 and 40 gig owners squirming now because they realize they will be FORCED to upgrade their HDD sooner or later because of all these MANDATORY partial installs

UNLIKE the 360 and it's FULL OPTIONAL istalls.

[PirateThom]

Unlike the 360 and it's optional hard drive*

[HighDefinition]

First off, upgrading your PS3 HDD is cheap when compared to......the 360 which is getting lots and lots of MANDATORY installs coming up (because of DVD) and has a 120gb HDD for $180 (the price of the ARCADE), for $180 on PS3 I can get probaly 350GB or more.

Think about that.

Either way you look at it, the PS3 installs mean less and less.

[etownone]

"the 360 which is getting lots and lots of MANDATORY installs coming up"

says who? you? first i heard about a mandatory install on the 360. just because Sony has you brainwashed that mandatory install is the norm... let me tell you something. ITS NOT.

And yes the 360 has an optional hard drive, which means you can play ANY 360 game without a hard drive.

just because this is getting forced on you guys, doesn't mean you have to like it.

EDIT @ HIGHDEF

do i think 360 is getting mandatory installs. NO. I have no reason, neither does the world have any reason to believe its getting mandatory installs becasue that has never been said so your wishing and hoping 360 is FORCED to have installs like your blu-ray player is NOT going to happen.

you upgraded your HDD yet... better start looking, your going to need it!

[HighDefinition]

Do you think the 360 isn`t getting installs?

Watch and Learn.

I`ll be there to LOL when you do.

EDIT:

OK, buddy. See how long DVD9 last since w/ games like MLB2K8 they had to have the rest as a "free D/L" since they couldn`t fit it on the disc and SPORT games have to be on 1 disc. Fifa09 has cut features aswell. Your either getting installs or gimps. plain and simple.

[cpuchess]

Installs are the only thing I don't like about my PS3. I feel like I am installing a PC game. What would be nice is a way to upgrade the blue ray to one that reads faster.

[dj_funky]

it's worth the wait.

[etownone]

like you have a choice.

[darkstar]

I would only have 2 gig free of my original 60 if I did this.

[enjoi187]

man only 10 gig left on my ps3....2 more games im screwed

[anh_duong]

ps3 has mandatory installs with all the benefits (better reliability, faster loading, quieter gaming).

xbox arcade and premium (11 gig for installs) owners (over 80% of xbox owners) have MANDATORY NON-INSTALLS with all the disbenefits (slowing loading, noisy dvd drive, more strain on the dvd drive).

which option do you prefer?

wonder when the fall update arrives how many xbox owners will be paying 100 bucks to increase their hd drive capacity to 120gigs. many of these will people will be the same people here complaining about ps3 owners having to pay 100 bucks to upgrade their hd by 320gigs. ultimately all xbox owners will have to pay top-dollar to upgrade their hard drive because 20gigs and arcade does not fit in microsoft's roadmap for the xbox and its future games and dlc.

ms gives xbox elite owners the option to install games but take that option away from developers (the game must work without a hard drive) i.e. microsoft forcing developers to produce games that MUST work without a hard drive is seriously going to damage the xbox's potential. you can't do certain things in a game when you know you will have to work with a dvd drive - optional installs aren't going to get you out of this predicament. a dvd drive is many orders or magnitude slower and more unreliable than a hard disk. having to factor in this handicap is going to influence how xbox games develop going forward. likewise with the 8gig size limit on xbox dvd (multi-discs don't always solve the problem).

disagree if you are proof positive that you are a 40 year old virgin and your only sexual experiences are with madame palm and her five sisters

[etownone]

do you understand what optional means?

first off, the ps3 gets PARTIAL MANDATORY installs due to the slow blu-ray drive. The games still put, like you say "a strain" to the blu-ray drive because it is NOT a full install.

360 owners have the OPTION to install a FULL game.. what do you think is better? and option means I can buy a game like GTA4 and start playing without any waiting or do a full install for quicker load times.

As far as handicaps... PS3 handicap is the blu-ray drive. It is too slow forcing you guys to do these install and raised the price of the ps3 so much that the mass market still cant afford it thus keeping it in LAST PLACE until the next gen starts.

I see NO reason whatsoever to do a upgrade to my HDD if I choose not to. I HAVE THAT CHOICE.

EDIT @anh-dung
"arcade owners DO NOT have a choice to install. their choice is no choice i.e. no install. so they have a MANDATORY non-install. if they what to install they have to buy a hard disk i.e. they have to do something that costs money. a lot of money"

hahahahahahahhaha...
let me explain AGAIN what the difference between having the OPTION and not having the option.

PS3 owners are forced, as in they CAN NOT play many games without the MANDATORY partial install.

360 owners have the "OPTION" to do a full install. If you have a HDD you can make a choice on the spot, "do i want to install?" if you have an arcade, you also have the choice, "do I want to install?"

So when you say "Arcade owners do not have a choice to install" YOU ARE WRONG.
They have the choice and can easily buy a HDD if they really want to do the installs, BUT, they do NOT need to install the games just to play them.

[anh_duong]

btw: you misunderstand me when i say the choice between have mandatory install and having to buy a new hard drive (xbox owners). read what i wrote again. read how i define my choicees before you argue with me.

choice is defined as not having to pay.

arcade owners DO NOT have a choice to install. their choice is no choice i.e. no install. so they have a MANDATORY non-install. if they want to install they have to buy a hard disk i.e. they have to do something that costs money. a lot of money.

ps3 owners have to install the game. but if they have to install and have no hard disk space then they can uninstall a game they don't play. this does not cost any money. and if they don't want to delete a game then they can pay peanuts (i.e. considerably less than xbox equiv) to upgrade.

hence ps3 have mandatory installs and xbox arcade and majority or 20gigs owners have mandatory non-install. which option is better? one gives you a quieter machine, faster loader and better reliability.

the other point is developers are forced to make the game work in an older technology for data storage. why should a ps3 developer code a game to work with a dvd drive when he knows he can max out on a hard disk. what would you DO if you were a software developer?? every major pc game has mandatory installs because pcs have hard drives. ps3 games have mandatory installs because every ps3 has a hard drive. xbox developers are stuffed because they got to support a legacy system of dvd data storage.

it is a common fallacy to believe that the blu-ray is slower than an xbox dvd. the blu-ray is slower than a single sided dvd but it is on average faster than a dual sided dvd.

the optional install caches the most used pieces of data onto the hard drive so the blu-ray doesn't need to spin as often. this reduces noise and mechanical failure rate. the 5gig cache is equivalent to, on, average, 30% of the game data. 30% of the most frequently used data.

furthermore, let's do some more maths:

a 40gig ps3 has 36gigs free. 10% of 36gig is 3.6 gig.

a 20gig xbox has 11 gigs free. 10% of 11 gig is 1.1 gig.

so a 3.6 gigs install on a 40gig ps3 is equivalent to a 1.1 gig install on an xbox 20gig. likewise a 5.3 gigs and 7.0 gigs install on a 60gig and 80 gig ps3 respectively is equivalent to a 1.1 gig install on 20gig xbox. now, how big is the madden demo for the xbox? how big is a fall update full install for halo 3 on a 20gig xbox? don't know? let me help you, halo 3 is about 7 gigs - that is equivalent in disk space to a whopping 35 gig install on a 60gig ps3. puts ps3 installs in perspective doesn't it? looks like all you 20 gig xbox owners need to buy that 120gig hard disk to use your so-called option - else you really have no option do you?

[anh_duong]

do you undetsand now? read this passage again:

ps3 has mandatory installs with all the benefits (better reliability, faster loading, quieter gaming).

xbox arcade and premium (11 gig for installs) owners (over 80% of xbox owners) have MANDATORY NON-INSTALLS with all the disbenefits (slowing loading, noisy dvd drive, more strain on the dvd drive).

which <<<OPTION>>> do you prefer?

next time you talk to me read what i have written first. i have defined the word option and choice here. think about it i.e. mandatory installs on a ps3 or (THE CHOICE) pay up to have the option of installs (else mandatory non-install) on most xbox premiums/arcade.

[thehitman]

How they managed to be able port this so fast this explains a lot. I hope in BS2 its not needed. OH well for the ppl who buying it I guess you guys save a shyt to take while your installing this lol.

[mistajeff]

this is awesome. this will likely fix a good deal of the texture pop-in/not-loading-ness that the 360 version has. not all of it, of course, since the unreal 3 engine is crap and even PC games have that problem, but it should definitely make it better. with all the bonuses here it seems like i won't be regretting my decision of selling back my 360 copy right when the ps3 version was announced with 'bonus features'

[Raoh]

its third party issues. none of the first party titles need it.

its a work around.. there are options. learn how to stream properly on the ps3 or have an install.

on the 360 its compress more or set up multiple discs or set the extra content as DLC.

it's publishers fault for not reaching out to insomniacs team set up to help with ps3 development for outside developers..

yeah i'm sick of installs too.. but for soul calibur 4, metal gear solid 4 and bioshock.. no problem

[clrlite]

Nowhere in that BLOG does it say anything about ps3 being a CONSTANTLY upgradable PC. It just says people will use it for it's functions instead of PC. How is buying a hard drive every 5 years "CONSTANTLY UPGRADING". Please explain. Are you talking about peripherals as well, because every console has those!

[Marty8370]

Atleast devs are making use of the standard Hard drive on PS3. Everyone that's against installs should realise that it's a good feature. What's the point in having a standard hard drivein all PS3 SKU's and not using it. The point is most 360 games are gimped cos devs can't rely on a standard hard drive in all SKU's.

And Blu-ray been slow is a myth, it's easily as fast as 8x DVD9 drive. Since the majority of 360 games are on DVD9.

Funky Town_TX - And your missing the point entirely, PS3 hard drives can be upgraded with large off the self cheap ones. 360 has a 120Gb limit on size and are sold at rip of MS prices.

PLAY B3YOND

[Funky Town_TX]

so please do try and make it the some. The PS3 did not have a HDD standard and you loved it.

[Funky Town_TX]

little Jonney who got that 40 gig system that will need to upgrade his HDD after he gets a few games. Now the 360 situation is a big different. If I had the core system (the worse system in console history) I could play all the games the 360 has without needing to upgrade my system. I will wait on that $400 160 gig system with Killzone 2 included.

[Oner]

Hhmm that's weird since I have had a 20 gig since launch day and all my games don't give me an issue when I need to play them...

RR7 (No install needed as it is optional)
RFoM
COD4
MGS4
GTA4
GT5P
MS
EOJ
Uncharted (No install anyway)
Pain
Super Puzzle Fighter HD
Championship Sprint
Calling All Cars
Super Star Dust HD
Qore episodes
Videos....\
Music......> these 3 aren't even needed on my PS3 as I have 2 media shares available
Pictures../
Etc. Etc. Etc.

I can go on but either way it's not a big deal to shift game installs around when I want to play especially when I don't play some older titles like RR7 & RFoM or MS or do so very RARELY. Plus I still use my 20 gig since I got my 80gb PS3 prize a few weeks ago, people try to make something big out of something they have absolutely no idea about. I can speak this with truth as I have done it since launch day...I always find it funny how can someone who doesn't own something actually speak "facts" about it?

[xg-ei8ht]

Ok i'm going to say this, i wasn't but i will.

How many broken 360's are their because of dvd drive. Go look on ebay. there are many.

There are also many replacement drives.

The reason, because the 360 loads from the drive all the time. it causes malfunction,heat.etc

Installs are really there for the purpose of installing the data, and not using the disc as much.

Remember, they want the blu-ray drive and ps3 to last along time(10years anyone?)

Besides that, a dvd streaming cannot touch a hd. FACT.

[coolclimate0]

I dont know why you people dont like installs... whats better then spending 10 minutes for a an install... and having very short.. if any load times... you complain your hard drive is small..... ummm newegg? HDD for ps3 with 250gb is cheaper then the xbox's 120gb.... buy a HDD you own a ps3... best technology.. time to make use of it

[Andronicus]

no thanks, games where you dont really see a need for mandatory installs are the problem. es[pecially when the other console version didnt need one.

[silverchode]

I AM SO FvCKIN SHOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kinetix]

If this stops you from getting bioshock then too bad for you. that would be a shame. a damn shame.

[Lucreto]

5GB is nothing you need to worry about all you have to do is have 2 or 3 frequently played games stored on the hard drive and delete the rest. I did that for DMC4 and Lost Planet and I will do it for this as well.

There is no need to have 10 games installed and only play 1 or 2. Its called space management once you do it you can make your 40GD last longer.

[silverchode]

i got about 20gigs left. anyone else gana wait till the holidays to upgarde their hard drive?

[juuken]

I will. :D

[jerethdagryphon]

largeisntall arnt reall a proble ans it redduce duisc access time for cutscenrs and rapid resused textures
hust make a sandwivh why you wait

harry 190 my complments to you on your lovely scruge mcduck 1950 stke avatar

[HB-Sauce]

I got 39 GB's to give, so its definately worth it for a game like Bioshock.

[jerethdagryphon]

wow has 8 disc at present and it had a 30 minite install
+ auto updatesa before ytou get to play

enough a small install on a sonsol is nothing aloth sonyshoult put word out on how to increase hard drive

pc gamers face 5-10 min instalsl all the time 8+ gig as well

installs slowy you sdown the firsr time tats it then its withco n and play so quit moping

[Kinetix]

And....?

[Draperc]

The only reason why xbox 360 fans would bash the PS3 for it's mandatory installs would be because they don't have enough patience to wait 15 minutes at most. It's a fact, die hard 360 fans are impatient as hell.

[dan88123]

Insert Disk
Install game
Get a snack
Come back and play game
Take back to Blockbuster
Delete the gigabytes used for the install :)
No problem whatsoever and quicker loading screens :)

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

You were going to have to upgrade to a larger HDD because of PSN anyway, weren't you? Plus videos from the online store as well...Weren't you? It's not for an XBox; you have options to fit your budget. You can even get the same model HDD in your PSP!

In-game load times for the PSP were hysterically long at 6-10 minutes, but I played Midnight Club Dub Edition anyway. And you guys are whining about install times for PS3 games?

Calm down. Take some Ritalin. Buy a HDD cheap online. Install BioShock. Go take a pee - you're overexcited. Now you are ready to play.

Wasn't too bad. M'kay?

[crystallakekiller]

its so funny to read some people's comments..."just upgrade your HDD" just do this or just do that...since when its ok to buy a product and upgrade it after 5 to 10 games played because you dont have enought space on your HDD anymore?i have both consoles,the dvd9 and the rrod bugs me on the 360 side...but the mandatory install really piss me off for my ps3,please people stop being fanboys...its really pathetic..when something is wrong..IT IS WRONG!the mandatory install is not a good thing when it takes 5GB!!many people only have 20GB ps3's and i understand why it bugs them...not everybody can afford a new game at 60$ and a new HDD even if its only 65$ and not everybody knows how to upgrade it!i hate fanboys,they are so stupid!

[Funky Town_TX]

each console has there bad parts. I was going to get a 40 gig PS3 but after the installs I will wait. It is to bad that some people can't admit that their console has it's faults.

[tangerine]

Read my below post fanboy.
INSTALL IS RIGHT! RIIIIIIGHT!
PC's have been doing it since the dawn of time, and you can bet your 4ss the next MS console will have EVERY GAME installed madatory.
The only reason the 360 does not...oh forget it. If you think this is a negative then you are just plain stupid.

[crystallakekiller]

here we have a good exemple of a stupid fanboy...just look at tangerine post..really pathetic!not only he's a stupid fanboy,but he really believe whats he's saying!i'm sure if sony tell him to install a game that will take 20GB on his ps3 he will be just fine with it...because thats just RIGHT!!!thats a dumbass fanboy! i hate people who cant think by themself,bioshock did not need install for the 360,it was on dvd9..and now on the ps3,on a bluray disc you have to install 5GB to play it and you are fine with it?!just because "its gonna help framerate,loading time.." well i still play bioshock on my 360 and there's no framerate problems,no loading time problems,there quite fast and its a really good looking game...so please tangerine "the genius" tell me why it take 5GB on my ps3 to play it?and dont tell me its because of better textures!!i really dont mind to install games when there's a good reason to it,and there's no good reasons to take 5GB for bioshock! hey tangerine,just try to think about the people who cant afford a new HDD when they already have a expensive console,and have to buy expensive games...and many dont know how to upgrade it!i guess you are to much of a genius to understand that...retard!

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You last place idiot PS3rd boys. You have lost and your console is HORRIBLE HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

360 FUKING OWNS the Turdstation Fail and will continue to.

[vdesai]

I think people are forgetting that you can delete it afterwards.

[gersh]

They say 10 minutes like it's a bad thing.
I have an 80gb PS3 with very little games so this won't really phase me.

[Figboy]

and?

it's not like every PS3 doesn't come with a built in hard drive.

i simply delete data that i no longer need, or for games that i'm currently not playing.

if the 360 had an HDD in every box, there would be mandatory installs for it too.

the HDD is simply another tool developers can use to ease development, and make a game run faster.

i WISH Mass Effect had an install for the 360. i own the game, and the ridiculous framerates and load times would have been all but extinguished had the game had the option for an install.

i'm tired of the absolute blowup whenever a PS3 title has an install. if the machine didn't have a hard drive built in, it would be a genuine issue. worst comes to worse, people will have to delete game data for games they don't play. if they have 20, 40, 60, 80, and above gigs of content on their PS3's HDD, i think it's time to consider an upgrade.

i have the 60gig PS3, and i have about 20-30 gigs free at any given moment. the only games i have installed on my HDD are MGS4 and GTAIV, simply because those games take the longest to install (8 minutes). the rest of the space on my HDD has demo downloads, QORE issues (which will be deleted once i get access to the Beta's they entail), and that's mainly it. i keep my music, trailers, and other HD videos on my fiance's external HDD, so they don't take up space unnecessarily.

anyway, sure, let the haters attack installs. it's the only thing they have left, considering that the PS3 is on a roll with new content, game announcements, free updates, etc, etc.

i'd almost feel sorry for the haters out there, if it wasn't for the fact that they saw fit to make it extremely difficult to be a Playstation fan during the years of 2006 and 2007. well, you know what they say, "what goes around..."

[GarandShooter]

'i WISH Mass Effect had an install for the 360. i own the game, and the ridiculous framerates and load times would have been all but extinguished had the game had the option for an install.'

Fig, could you possibly mean you would have preferred a single 10 minute install, even if mandatory, over getting to spend 30 cumulative minutes (if not longer) on the elevator, and another 30 cumulative minutes (if not longer) decontaminating upon entering the ship?

[cherrypie]

"I WISH Mass Effect had an install for the 360. i own the game, and the ridiculous framerates and load times would have been all but extinguished had the game had the option for an install"

I have a Xbox 360 and Mass Effect, and without a doubt, you're description above is absolute fiction and totally ridiculous.

Stop trolling your FUD. Thanks.

[Figboy]

i'd have preferred to have an install for Mass Effect as long as it helped with the framerates and loading times.

i'm NOT trolling, or spreading FUD.

my comments are based off of me, and my fiance's factual experiences with Mass Effect.

the load times ARE long. there are tons of elevators that slow the pacing of the game down to a crawl, and god forbid you get on the wrong elevator, and have to go BACK to where you originally came from.

the constant, and distracting texture pop-in is also a nuisance (though this seems to be more the issue with UE3 than the devs at Bioware, or the 360).

also, there have been many moments where i'm walking down a corridor in Citadel Station, and the game will pause, "loading," will appear, then i go about my merry way for a few steps when, AGAIN, pause, "loading."

also, i was watching my fiance play, and she was driving around a planet in the Mako, when the framerate dropped to NOTHING. she couldn't even access the pause menu to save her game and restart. we waited for about 3-5 minutes to see if the game would stabilize, in the meantime, my 360 was whining like a jet engine. i thought it was going to croak. eventually, we restarted the console, and she lost a bit of progress.

obviously, you know NOTHING about me, because i don't spread FUD or misinformation. every thing that i post is based on fact, personal experience, or my personal opinion.

to deny that Mass Effect has technical issues on the 360 is just, well, DENIAL.

just look at the PC reviews of the title. the install HELPED Mass Effect significantly.

don't ever accuse me of spreading FUD again. i love Mass Effect, and i think it's a fantastic game, but it is NOT perfect, and the sad thing is that the issues plaguing the title could have been eliminated had MS not bee so shortsighted when designing the 360.

people shouldn't hate on the PS3 just because it included something that will HELP the quality of the games, not hinder it. hell, the original Xbox had an HDD standard, why NOT the 360?

[GarandShooter]

Don't like required installs? Then don't buy a PS3. But that's a damn stupid reason to miss out on some kickass exclusives. I didn't let the fear of RROD stop me from buying a 360. Again, the exclusives are worth the risk.

And for all you X-onlys, why are you b!tching about something that doesn't affect you? It's like the PSonlys b!tching about the cost of XBL.

Installs are here to stay, and most likely coming to a 360 near you.
In fact, it's the future, especially if you believe DD is a future reality. Imagine that, all you lucky PS3 owners, Sony is bringing the future to you...TODAY!

[blinker flewid]

just lol... this is pathetic. you guys are pathetic.

[jro211]

...no really? Once it's installed that's it. I don't get what the complaint is about. There isn't a whole lot of replay value with this game so once you complete it, delete it.

[Morgue]

Another whinner install article.

[macalatus]

(cue in Rocky theme song)

PS3: 5GB, one-time 10 minute install, and play 'til your eyes bleed!

VS

360: Play Bioshock for 5 days, RROD hits, call MS, send your console in, wait for 3 weeks, repeat cycle.

Ding! Ding! Ding! WE HAVE A WINNER!! THE PS3!!

HELL YEAH!!

[Immortal Kaim]

Even if I had a PS3 this wouldn't bother me, 10min install to play an absolutely amazing game, well worth the time.

I'm hoping this game sells well on PS3, the game is phenomenal, hopefully people don't get turned off that it was originally on 360, its still a must play.

[cherrypie]

Agreed. And +bubbles for you.

This forum has fun taking shots at the consoles (in the console-war way..) but make no mistake: PS3-only owners *NEED* to play this game. Dont be put off that it was originally on the Xbox 360, it is a fantastic game, and you need to play it.

Just hold-your-nose and put up with the 10minute, 5GB install that fixes the bluray read-time-issues... it is a small price to pay to get this game on your PS3.

PS3-only owners: Buy BioShock for your PS3. You will not regret it. It has a 96/100 on Metacritic, and aside from GTAIV, it will be the best reviewed game available on the PS3.

You'd be foolish not to play BioShock, upon release, it will instantly become (nearly) the best game available for the PS3.

[tangerine]

ALL pc games have install, it's because hard drive is there!
The gimped 360 does not have a hard drive as standard, that is why they have no mandatory install.
This is a NORMAL, GOOD THING! The people crying about it (or trying too) are just fanboys.
All PS3's have a hard disk. As do all PC's. Now the developers see that and go.....BING! No brainer! Mandatory install, no headaches for us, no headaches for you, pffft it's all on the hard drive.
Jesus, just because MS f()cked up royaly with their hardware design, certain people try to make this a negative for ps3 games?
SAD.

[blinker flewid]

i don't think its so much people making this a negative for ps3 gamers, as it is ps3 gamers yet again trying to bash the 360 for a feature it will be getting in the fall anyway. the only difference here is that while it is mandatory on ps3, it is totally optional on the 360. where the controversy is coming from, i have no idea. personally, i don't care either way - i'll load the bigger games on the harddrive and enjoy, and i wont load the smaller games and still... enjoy. crazy right?

[blinker flewid]

the only thing this article did was state a fact, not create a platform for debate. seriously, articles like this shouldn't even have a comment function.

[yanikins111]

has a 60gb.
doesnt care.
Considers it a small trade off for the inbuilt wireless, optical output, wirless controller, bluray drive, memory card slots, free online, great range of released and soon to be released 1st and 2nd party exclusives.

[lagoonalight]

Optical isn't even mentioned that much

without it I have a severe ringing sound in my PS3 with receiver

just glad they chose the kitchen sink instead of a heatsink

or wait, they did that too, the other one forgot

hee hee

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[SpartanGR]

This is getting really boring. So what? get over it f..king assholes. Ok i'm gonna add another 5 gigs to my 320gb hd ...uhh ok

[TwissT]

Waiting an extra 10 minutes after I buy the game will make the anticipation and the play that much more sweet.

[rmatott]

im cool with 10 minutes, takes longer then that to install a pc game, and really 10 minutes? when i was your age it took at least that 10 minutes to get an nes game to work! lol

[AssassinHD]

...an article on N4G that stated Soul Calibur 4 would have a mandatory 8GB install? Turns out that the full install of SC4 is only like 2.5GB.

[cherrypie]

This should come as *no* suprise to anyone. BluRay is a movie-playing format, which reads at a single speed, not for data (multi-speed as DVD does).

"The issue arises from differences in the reading techniques of DVD and Blu-ray. By nature, the outer and inner parts of a disc move at different speeds while a disc is spinning, regardless of format (CD, DVD, Blu-ray, HD-DVD, etc.). While DVD drives can read data at those differing speeds, Blu-ray reads at one speed...simply dumping existing DVD data onto a Blu-ray disc will inevitably result in longer load times...Installations are a way around this issue.

When a publisher asks you to install a game on PS3, it’s because they’re moving some of the disc data to an area of your console that has much faster read access: the hard drive. You get vastly reduced loading times, but have to sit through an installation.

....Some developers copy their game’s data on the disc multiple times, giving the drive more areas to seek the same exact data from"

http://multiplayerblog.mtv....
playstation-3s-sometimes-mand atory-installations-as-far-as- w e-know/

[PirateThom]

I stopped reading here "meant for sequential reading (start to finish)"

That's absolute nonsense and it's why Blu-ray has a consistant read speed.

There's a feature on Blu-ray called "branching" where certain movies allow you to select certain deleted scenes to cut into the movie where they should be, and it's completely user defined.

In addition, Blu-ray allows you to watch the extra features and then go back into the movie where you left off.

Doesn't sound like "sequential reading" to me.

[uckitsayitchbay]

Dont get it if your panties are going to be in a bunch over the installs the only people that have problems with installs are 360 fans that dont own a ps3 just so they have something to bash about.. i for one dont give a $hit about installs and neither does any REAL ps3 owner so everyone STFU about the installs GEEZ!!!!

[funkycoldmedina]

Mandatory installs isn't a very good idea. My 60GB (more like 55GB) is starting to seem small. For all those who insist on people upgrading HDD which only increases on the total cost of the PS3 defeating the purpose of the included HDD for just gaming purposes. I would rather buy a PS3 w/out a HDD then add my own notebook SATA HDD later for cheaper and more space. There is always the option of deleting installs from previous games that gamers aren't currently replaying but then gamers would always have HDD space issues. Then again space will always be an issue if lots of future games start going the mandatory install route.

I think installs should be optional on most games especially ports. If the same game can run on the X360 and perform similar as the PS3 version without HDD install then the game developers aren't doing a good job of utilizing the technology at hand. A way to cut corners as several posters have already mentioned.

[squall2099]

you all are living a lie with the ps3. it will not live to see its 10th year like the ps2, it's days are numbered. so what it has blucrap!, and sorry azz online and half ass home beta crap. xbox360 with the Relaunch(end of sept) will rain all over ps3 again this holiday season, ps3 has power but no brains. dont blame the developers for orange box sucking ass on ps3, blame SONY!!!!!. yea microsoft is money hungery(gamers pics, themes) but you know what???? they know how to get things done, not half azzing it to death. DEATH TO ALL PLAYSTATION 3 POTBOTS!!!

[PsYcHoToE1]

What the hell is the big deal with a 10 min install. As long as the game looks plays well. Seems that all the people that complain about this never owned a gaming PC. It's the same thing. Just pop in the game and go walk a dog or go for a smoke. When you come back it's done and enjoy.

[Morgue]

There are 4 games I'm done playing right now, MGS 4, GTA IV, DMC 4 and NG Sigma. Now there is almost 20 gigs of space I have freed up and I'm back to 40.

[otherZinc]

20 & 40gig PS3 owners must feel like S***. My kid has several games on his 360 that would require an install on the PS3 & he has a lot of room on his 20gig Halo Edition 360. We are not the type that will erase a game to add another.

Terrible on SONY's part. Terrible!

[Rapture333]

I can't believe this! I just bought a 250GB hard drive and I need to use 1.25% of it to install award winning game Bioshock! I CAN'T BELIEVE I have to wait 10 WHOLE MINUTES! You know how long that is in seconds! That's 600 Godamn second I have to wait before playing! Sure It's only a one time thing. But after that 45 minute drive to the local gamestop and 45 minutes back... I have to wait another 10 minutes just to play. Can you believe that? It's like what do I do for 10 WHOLE GODAMN MINUTES. THIS IS MADNESS!! What has the world come to when you have to sacrifice these kinds of things? Now excuse me while I install the PC version of Bioshock, which I'm sure only takes an instant....

[lagoonalight]

Yes, the pain is too far gone.

I will prepare for your funeral Rapture.

[aggh im on fire]

I have more space on my 20gig 360 than i do on my 40gig ps3 yet i have double the amount of games on my 360? WTF.. this mandantory installs are complete balls. Optional yeah im all for it, there if you want it but not forced. 5gig for Bioshock is crazy, doesn't need it on 360 and shouldn't need it on ps3.

[lagoonalight]

seriously, the waiting is nothing

for people that complain about games waiting to install you really really need a life

PC gamers dealt with this what 1988

some people are just xbox fanboys to the death

the rest, well, besides the N fanboys the rest are alright

[aggh im on fire]

Its not a case of waiting its an issue of space. Why should the ps3 have to install and use space to run a game the smae as the 360. It shouldnt happen.

[Marty8370]

Atleast devs are making use of the standard Hard drive on PS3. Everyone that's against installs should realise that it's a good feature. What's the point in having a standard hard drivein all PS3 SKU's and not using it. The point is most 360 games are gimped cos devs can't rely on a standard hard drive in all SKU's.

And Blu-ray been slow is a myth, it's easily as fast as 8x DVD9 drive. Since the majority of 360 games are on DVD9.

PLAY B3YOND