Mass Effect: Andromeda Is 30 FPS on PS4 and PS4 Pro

Producer Fabrice Condominas shared the detail in an interview with GameSpot this evening at the PlayStation Meeting.

[2pacalypsenow]

Are you kidding me?

[freshslicepizza]

it is clear console developers will favor graphics over smoothness. this won't be 60fps on scorpio either.

[JayPi3]

Scropio is still about 14 months away. i'm not a fanboy but it's too early to call imo.

[Kingthrash360]

Bad move.
I'd take 1080p 60 over 4k 30 anyday
I could care less about 4k of it comes down to 60fps
Is it easier to get the 4k than 60fps? I always thought they had about the same stress and devs would balance it out or choose a side to roll with.
If they chose 4k over 60fps just because 4k then it's just a bad decision.

[2600Thunder]

@Kingthrash360 Precisely. At least give us a standardized settings toggle to lower graphics in favor of 60fps, but my understanding is that the option will not be consistent. Even the Wii-U runs games at 60fps, and for that system the 1st party games look good, but console graphics and specs suddenly only matter when people dog on that system.

Has been my hope all gen, but bullshots are easier to use to impress people. I get horrible motion sickness and a desire for responsiveness (even on controller for 3rd person) were the biggest reasons I finally went back to PC.

Solid 60 makes games so much more enjoyable.

[gedden7]

This is true, they ALREADY confirmed this.

[RpgSama]

I think they are going for more and better graphical effects, particles, textures, HDR, foliage, Lighting, instead of frames, I don't always support this, in a perfect world I would want both, but for a single player centric game I prefer this approach. Now if we were talking about a multiplayer game, then 60fps everyday of the week.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Scorpio has +4 more GB of faster GDDR5, A much better CPU and Much Better GPU... Im sure it will run at 4k and 60 most likely... The Battlefield 1 Beta (which currently is the most taxing Frostbite game) ran 4k @ 50-60 on comparable GPU's. Not promising it will... but it's definitely more than a possibility at this point

[2pacalypsenow]

@GUTZnPAPERCUTZ

Where does it say the Scorpio will have 12gb of GDDR5 memory?

[indyman7777]

You make sense Microsoft said they are 'shoting' for 6teraflops which they will most likely make. 6-4.2=1.8 So Microsoft's console could be 1.8 teraflops more than PS4 pro. That is NOT twice as much processing power as PS4's 5.2teraflops. So why would they double the frames?

[The 10th Rider]

A lot of people don't seem to understand the both consoles are bottlenecked at the CPU. . . The PS4 has a better GPU than the Xbox One, but a slightly less powerful CPU. The PS4pro is using the same CPU, just clocked a bit higher. Without a significant CPU upgrade, the framerate will still be limited by the CPU.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

MS has been very quiet about the CPU of the Scorpio. The Scorpio's CPU is likely just an upclocked jaguar (which aren't designed for high clock speeds). You are right, the CPU of the PS4pro will limit the GPU and the Scorpio will likely have the same problem. If MS and Sony wanted to upgrade their consoles, they should of upgraded them more appropriately. Rather than buffing up the GPU for 4k (or res above 1080), they should of added a stronger CPU to allow for high framerates at 1080p.

[The 10th Rider]

I'm not quite as tech savvy as my brother, who is in computer engineering, so I asked him about it. He said that if they go with anything other than a jaguar, it could force devs to re-optomize their games. It will be very interesting to see what Microsoft does with the Scorpio. We may be getting native 4K at 30fps.

At least, though, the higher clock speed SHOULD allow for a more stable framerate on games like the Witcher 3 and Grand Theft Auto V as long as they don't introduce graphics options that are more taxing on the CPU.

[Zero_Suit_Samus]

"Mass Effect: Andromeda to run at 30fps on both PS4 and PS4 Pro"

This is what happens when you're stuck with a weak jaguar CPU.

[FamilyGuy]

Can't they off-load some of the work to the GPU and reach 60fps instead of the resolution focus?

[objdadon]

No This is what happens when you have to spec for the original ps4 and xbox one.

[4Sh0w]

Yep 1080p/60fps would have been better, but I guess they got to sell "dat new 4K" hook.

[Ysmir6723]

4K isnt new.i have been playing at 4k since 2013.

[Number-Nine]

60fps should be a standard this generation

[Mystogan]

Its probably an artistic choice. Not every game will be 30fps. That was always up to developers.

Even the scorpio will have some 30fps games. Although at True 4K and not "Special rendered upscaled 1080p" (seriously wtf does that even mean?)

[FamilyGuy]

They never said it was going to be 1080p upscaled. In fact I heard many times that it was closer to 4k then upscaled the rest of the way. Even the digital foundry breakdown said it was reaching 4k by doubling the pixels with some checker board method which means it's at least half the number of pixel of a 4k frame and that's doble the number of 1080ps pixel count on its own

[FamilyGuy]

I don't get it, isn't Mass Effect a single player game? They should give us the option is the settings screen or something

[seanpitt23]

They said they cannot make 60 fps on the pro if the standard one isn't especially on mp games because they would have a clear advantage

[objdadon]

That's only fo4 multiplayer, not in this case.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Whats's sad is PS4P can go beyond 30 frames probably a stable 60 and beyond. But they're paritying it with the Slim. Man wtf the point honestly. Let the PS4P shine and not gimp it with its vanilla version.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Well the upgrades are Developer dependent if they decided they wanted to use more graphical power towards other elements in the game that's completely up to the developer to decide.

I personally hate how 60 frames-per-second actually looks on 3rd person games. I do however love it for first person games.

Developers could favor whatever elements they feel like it when developing their game for a set platform that is up to them to decide.

[iTechHeads]

A lot of developers prefer more eye candy over better frame rate.
I'm ok with it. Really only multiplayer games actually benefit from 60FPS.

[YinYangGaming]

PS4 totally fine but why not go for 1080/60 on the Pro? Fail.

[Gaming_Cousin]

Stupid decision tbh. Hey lets put in better hardware but keep our game the same.

[Zero_Suit_Samus]

@YinYangGaming

"PS4 totally fine but why not go for 1080/60 on the Pro? Fail."

Jaguar CPU bottleneck.

[gedden7]

Reso hoes

[TheOptimist]

Honestly if ME: Andromeda is releasing early next year, then the development is entering finishing stages at this time and for them to change settings for a system they came to know about only this year, I think it'll be difficult

[iTechHeads]

Yeah they should follow Rise Of The Tomb Raiders example and offer multiple modes.

[_-EDMIX-_]

But that's completely developer dependent if they're playing their game and they don't feel 60 frames-per-second fits their game they're completely fine to set it to 30 and use the extra processing elsewhere I personally didn't like the last of us at 60 frames and actually set it back the 30fps even set Infamous Second Son to 30 simply because I don't really like the 3rd person shooters look at 60 frames where I prefer 60 frames with first person shooters.

It's something that's simply dependent on the developer to decide.

On PC that's completely up to you and if that's something you're even worried about honestly I wouldn't even be wasting time trying to hope that console is going to run a specific game at 60 frames cuz even if the platform is capable of it, doesn't necessarily mean the developer intends for the game to run at that frame.

ie just because the platform can produce a game that runs at 60 frames doesn't mean the developer is going to put all their processing power to achieve such a thing especially if it's not even the main focus of the game.

The only thing I could say towards BioWare is that they should have at least had a separate mode that allowed the consumer to decide let's say I'm old that turned off some of those extra features in favor of extra frames.

So I would say I'm more in support of the consumer having the options but I cannot disagree if the developer decides their game does not fit that frame. If this is such a supreme issue for a user simply play it on PC mind you even games that I played on PC like dead space and the Mass Effect series I actually still preferred at 30 frames. I can't tell you how nauseating it is to play dead space at 60 frames on PC I specifically raised all the features of the game and made it run at 30 frames simply because I could not take how it looked running at that frame it's something that I believe is subjective to user, some users love it some don't care for it but in regards to 3rd person shooters I don't really care for it I would say maybe Devil May Cry or Bayonetta would be the only exceptions for me.

[-Foxtrot]

Is this because of a design choice by them OR can the PS4 Pro not do it.

If the PS4 Pro can do it BUT the developer wants both console audiences (PS4 and the PS4 Pro) to be equal then this is the CORE problem with the PS4 Pro and even Scorpion when it comes out.

Trying to please owners with the original consoles will not let developers use the true advantages of these better machines...with this you'll have to think "What's the Point of these then?".

You are basically putting yourself in a lose/lose situation because if you did make one version better there will obviously be backlash that original console owners are being screwed over.

[Sevir]

They have the choice to utilize the power however they want. They wish to go 4k30 so they have the choice, Both Sony and MS have clearly stated the mandate, they just need to meet or exceed standard performance...

4k on Pro exceeds 1080p on Base PS4...

I'd prefer something like Rise of the Tomb Raider where, it's 4K30 HDR, 1080p 60 HDR , or 1080p 30 HDR, with more effects and graphic assets.

[-Foxtrot]

"Both Sony and MS have clearly stated the mandate"

Really? Because I've heard and seen a lot of things like...

"We want both consumers to be equal with the way they play games"

Hell I'm pretty sure I heard something like that in the PS Meeting when they were talking about PS4 Pro.

"We want the PS4 to remain a unified community"

[YinYangGaming]

But it doesn't run at 4k, native or upscaled. A dev on the game said they were using a "custom" technique whatever that means

[arkard]

@foxtrot the fair for players was talking online games. Like COD for instance, say it ran at 30fps on ps4 it will be locked to 30fps on Pro for fair online play. I did not take this to mean the same thing for single player.

[Sevir]

They are talking about Multi-player FPS...

For Honor and Watch_Dogs 2 have 4k modes and 1080p/30 HDR with better graphics on the Pro while the base model is standard 1080p

[SgtSlaughter212]

Pro can't do it. I'm a Sony guy. Don't bother with anything else.

[game4funz]

We don't know for sure about Scorpio.... We'll see once these release what the devs are allowed to do.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I actually think you're on to something but I do not believe it's because they want it to be equal on both PlayStation 4 and pro users, you would have to understand why even make the mode in the first place? To support it means clearly they want to give those who own Pro a better experience the only thing I could say is that what if it's possible that they do want something equal on both users simply because it is the concept of the game , how do we know 30 frames is something they intend for the game regardless of platforms?

I feel is very much feasible that they're not making it 60 frames because the game was not designed in terms of its animations or even in terms of its core concept to even run at 60 frames.

For all we know they wanted to have a very cinematic type look to the animations in 60 frames may not fit that for them. Who knows.

I personally don't like how 3rd person looks at 60 frames.

I remember years ago when Mass Effect came to PC I thought I'd be thrilled to play it at 60 frames and I realized within maybe an hour to two hours that I actually didn't really like the game at 60 frames and ended up just lowering it. Later last generation I felt the same way about Dead Space 2 on PC as I was playing it I just could not stand the fast movements and actually preferred the lock 30 only because it conveyed in more cinematic feel and it's sort of felt nauseating even this generation when I bought the last of us on PlayStation 4 when I played some of it at 60 frames I realized I was just not going to like the game running at that and I ended up switching and playing it at 30 frames and preferred it at a locked 30 I personally just don't like 3rd person games running at 60 frames.

First person shooters for me though it's a huge must but even then if it's running at 30 frames and it's not ultra-competitive fast paced, maybe one of those narrative type games I don't necessarily care all that much it really depends on the game.

If anything I would say I'm in favor of at least an option to allow consumers to decide for themselves but again it's completely up to the developer and if anyone seriously wants that much control over the frame rate and other specific key features don't even waste time purchasing consoles and just get a PC.

The features people like on PC are not for a matter of fact they're not absolute there subjective to the user so if somebody prefers playing a specific game on garbage settings just a hit a hundred frames it doesn't actually mean that to everyone else a hundred percent wants the same experience, so for people making it sound as if the team is doing something really terrible understand that 60 frames to you on the 3rd person game may not mean the same thing to you as it might to me.

[Runechaz]

and around 90 fps on my pc Thanks !

[Psychotica]

Now, now, don't need to rub it in :)

[slate91]

Hmm...i wonder if this spells bad news for these consoles. Maybe the devs wont find the need to do the extra work to optimize for the systems? Is it easy? Difficult? Releasing a patch later on? Will UWP make it easier for scorpio?

[MasterCornholio]

The PS4 Pro and Slim are extremely similar in system architecture. I can imagine that there's more work in making multiple versions but since almost everything is the same it should be quite easy for developers.

I personally believe that most developers will choose IQ over framerate.

[FasterThanFTL1]

4k/60fps max settings for my PC, hopefully.

[game4funz]

It will depend on how well it is optimized. But I hope so too.

[trouble_bubble]

Wtf. ME is a single player experience so why not up the frames for P-Pro?

[Sevir]

It's their choice...

[game4funz]

Who is their?
Could be Sony mandated. Or it could be them. Hard to tell.

[Goldby]

sony mandates things need to be minimum equal with ps4 counterpart. then its up to the devs how they chose to use the pro

[81BX]

Yeah but wont it look better on ps4 pro? Idk maybe not a big deal

[marioJP87]

Man, i called this. 1080/60 itself wont become the norm with these new consoles. Developers will push the hardware graphically to where 60 FPS wont be able to be achieved.

[arkard]

Or they don't care to optimize for the new system, they are just going to let up scaling and HDR do the work for them and bam, game looks better on pro.

[Antifan]

Why don't they give us the option to choose from 4K/30fps and 1080p/60fps in in-game settings? RotTR is doing, not excuse why Bioware can't.

[marioJP87]

Where did you hear that ROTR will run at 60 fps?

[Sirk7x]

That's going to be every console generation. Graphical fidelity sells over higher frame rates. People want shinies.

[game4funz]

Well Sony never promised 4k/60

Microsoft kind of did. So let's wait till then and see what happens.

[WellyUK]

We live in a world where people would rather play shallow pretty games than smooth good games. Shame.

[monkeyDzoro]

30fps for what resolution ? The article doesnt tell.

[Artemidorus]

1080p and you know it deep down

[DrJones]

No. Around 1800p

[neutralgamer1992]

so this has more to do with developers and less to do with hardware? i want 1080P/60FPS is that too much to ask for?

native 4k won't be part of gaming till ps5 and xbox 2. until than we will get up scaled and if anyone thinks xbox scorpio will do 4k native than i say measure your expectations.

[Mystogan]

Microsoft came out, taking shots at the PS4 Pro for not having True 4k. Trust me if Microsoft is this confident about something they'll definitely deliver.

They already confirmed its gonna be capable of 4K 60fps. We just don't know how yet.

[game4funz]

Difference being Sony never said 4k/60 fps native.

MS has said it.

Edit: for the fanboys. It doesn't matter what I believe or think. I go with facts. Sony never said and Ms did. Deal with it. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter. But what you think is quite irrelevant to me. Never basing my opinion on what someone else thinks.

[neutralgamer1992]

you think really think scorpio will do 4k native at even 30fps much less 60

even the higher end cards can't handle 4k at 30fps

[StormLegend]

Why can't we choose the 1080p 60fps option?

[NotanotherReboot]

Because it's a console. If you want choice, buy it on PC.

[PlayableGamez-]

Consoles gamers are too stupid for options and choices... They have to let billion dollar corprations make decisions for them...
This is coming from them and not me..

[Sevir]

Rise of the Tomb Raider has that option, as does For Honor and Watch_Dogs 2... it's all up to the developer to support the benefits the Pro supports, 4k, HDR and a richer 1080p experience... there's benefits to having it regardless of the TV, Developers will choose and likely make sure to support it options.

[Antifan]

Nope, Tomb Raider is giving us that option on PSPro. No excuse ME can't do it.

[StormLegend]

You can choose to play in 30fps on the last of us or 60fps, so yeah that's false.

[mysteryraz11]

Forget 4k Iaim for 1080p or 1440p, no one has 4k tv's or monitors barely

[JayPi3]

Maybe it's just me but i'm more in favor of devs pushing for 60FPS/1080P on consoles than I am 4K or HDR, I mean i love beautiful games, but it doesn't matter how good it looks if it's choppy.

[TheColbertinator]

New upgraded console to run a lower framerate? This is a cruel joke from Sony and nobody is laughing.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

It was expected since it's the same CPU and a slight overclock won't do anything.

[LAWSON72]

Better not happen to FFXV, if so I won't buy one.

1080p/60fps should be a given on the PS4 Pro.

[NotanotherReboot]

30 fps feels so meh after playing with 60 on PC.

[DarXyde]

This is just absurdly stupid.

Developers complain about not having enough power and then they prioritize superficial factors like visuals over frame rate?

I would much rather they get it running at 60 fps and keep the visuals the same. Framerate is the immediately discernable factor that impacts gameplay.

What's wrong with these people?

[ONESHOTV2]

as long as i have 60 FPS in yakuza i dont give one crap about anything else on sony platform.

[DrJones]

Nobody cares

[ONESHOTV2]

you do lol triggered becuase i said that are you mad

[BlackPhillip666]

Not to fussed I'll own one on launch like i have the rest have a 4k tv so why not. The games will look better and i will have some use for my 4k tv better than what i'm using it for atm But i'm a multi gamer so i will be owning a Scorpio when it releases aswell.

I can't see the harm in this upgrade ain't like this is the PS5 so spit and polish will do fine for now. Hope destiny runs nicer on it :). I'm not expecting every game to be 60fps 4k lol :) I got a PC that struggles to do that with 2x1080gtx's lol :D. Also unlike some i'm looking well forward to what Nintendo comes up with aswell.

[game4funz]

It's not a ps5 but it sure is priced as a new console.

[Dan_scruggs]

Soooo. What is the point of PS4 Pro again?

[RiseofScorpio]

For their mediocre VR headset.

[DrJones]

Better graphics

[Germany7]

Seriously? They really want console gaming to disappear.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

The dream is dead already.

[LamerTamer]

Boy Sony really screwed up big. What is the point if the frame rate can't even be better? Dumb decision putting the same weak CPU. Someone didn't do the right R&D. Garbage.

I guess the Pro is only good for giving you some upscaled fake 4K.

[RiseofScorpio]

They wanted to make it cheap and it's gonna bite them in the ass.

[Critic4l_Strik3]

Solution = Get it for PC :)

[godfire21]

you see pc fanboys trying to attack sony even though its a developer statement :/

[gedden7]

Lmao extra power FOR NOTHING. SAME W/ THE SCORPIO... Who has a 4k TV??

[game4funz]

Why same with Scorpio? This if off topic and irrelevant as Scorpio isn't close to release.

[gedden7]

MS already confirmed that the frame rates between Xb1 Xb1s XB1 Scorpio will all have the same frame rate. Only the resolution will change... MS already confirmed it. #teraflops

[WellyUK]

you say that but look at the back lash for the Pro... MS will see this and will use it just like how Sony did with the DRM and sharing games. There is no way they will release a console as powerful as the scorpio might be without giving the benefits of it to the people buying it especially when it's pretty much a new gen console.

[gedden7]

HAAA!!! You wish as do others like myself. But i highly doubt it. You need SUPER strong machines that would be WAY too pricey to even sale to push 4k / 60 fps...

[WellyUK]

I dont care about 4k at all... We cant even get 1080 60 on consoles at the moment THAT SHOULD be the focus not 4k...

[PizzaSteve]

So PS4 Pro is pointless.

[sullynathan]

Like I said, this is a bad move on EA & Sony's part .We know Frostbite can run at 60fps (battlefront, BF1, mirrors edge) but it seems like Sony isn't pressuring devs to do so.

[BlakHavoc]

The obsession with frame rates and resolutions are quite telling. Since when was this more important than gameplay, and story telling? I see more complaints about visual quality than anything else these days when a crap ton of games are just flat out boring.

[PizzaSteve]

You completely right.

[Imalwaysright]

Framerates = gameplay. When wer'e asking for better framerates, we're asking for better gameplay. I agree with you on the resolution though.

[BlakHavoc]

No it doesn't, frame rates equal a better display but it doesn't make the gameplay any more satisfying or fun to play. Ppl aren't crying about frame rates cause it makes their games unbearable to play. We've been enjoying games for decades without 60fps, while of course I'd rather have a game that displays at 1080p and 60fps, that doesn't make it a better game then one that is 30fps and 900p. But that's just me, this generation has been extremely annoying, instead of focusing on level design, gameplay mechanics, storytelling, etc, were focused on how many pixels Nathan drake has on his face. Take away those precious resos and frame rates, and were still playing games that were possible on our ps3 and 360.

[Imalwaysright]

,

[gedden7]

I agree 100% with you but that me. Don't you remember all the hype from the PS4 vs XB1 media outlets and fan boys. The only thing they kept talking about was the resolution. Xb1 900 but ps4 is true 1080p.. WOW what difference talk. Well MS wants to just compete with that because they think thats a winning strategy and why they are losing the console race in sales...

[Imalwaysright]

60 fps decreases controller latency and allows for a smoother gameplay experience.

[BlakHavoc]

Very true, what I'm saying though is that all gamers seem to care about these days is frame rates and resolution. Games are prettier today but that seems to be the only progression were seeing in game development, or at least the only one ppl care about. Games just aren't as innovative and entertaining as they used to be, but all I see ppl crying about are frame rates?...Something's wrong with that picture.

[WellyUK]

Gameplay is hugely linked to Frame rate though... If its not smooth then a fast paced game looks bad and plays bad, Titanfall for example would be horrid at 30, same with most shooters. At the end of the day a smoother game will always be better to play and feel better over a 30 fps game, 60 fps is just better. The issue here is people care more about resolution, Sony have jumped the point of the ps4 pro by aiming at 4k when they SHOULD of aimed at BETTER performance for 1080p 60fps which is the WHOLE reason why people wanted this upgrade, people wanted Uncharted at 1080 60 SP, Bloodborne 1080 60.

[BlakHavoc]

I agree, ppl care about how their games are displayed especially when we've invested so much money into these devices. Even I myself care somewhat about how appealing these games are visually but visuals aren't the only thing wrong with games today, but it sure seems that way. Some of the best games in history were accomplished before 1080p and 60fps were possible.

[lunatic0001]

only way I'll get this is if it has a huge upgrade when it comes to psvr...to the people that know a lot about tech..does the weak CPU in the pro mean that pro will never take full advantage of the GPU???

[WellyUK]

pretty much it's built for people who want the same games on 4k. It's basically pointless for 1080p users when most games wont utilize any of the extra power.

[lunatic0001]

Damn..I figured...what about when it comes to the psvr..will I see the psvr taking advantage of the pro

[rezzah]

They cannot step too far ahead from the original consoles without increasing the expense of developing video games; developers would require extra time (money) to create 2 versions of every game (the PS4 Pro and Original PS4 copy).

Creating a system that plays games the original PS4 could not would anger almost every original PS4 owner.

So they played it safe to save money and keep their general reputation with their customers.

[DrJones]

I think it is because they have prioritised resolution and graphics, so that there isn\t adequate overhead for 60 fps.

[Artemidorus]

O dear o dear that really is lazy will want full retail and extras too.

[Imalwaysright]

So what's the point of the PS4 pro then?

[bumbleforce]

i fully expect the Scorpio version to run at 60. its not a game changer. 30 fps is fine and its still going to look great on the pro. I understand why people are upset. if the pro is supposed to be this all powerfull gameing system why can't it run that game at 60fps. Maybe they will do what they are doing with tomb raider. just have diffrent graphic options

[Dasteru]

It can run the game at 60fps just fine. The lousy developer is just prioritizing 4k, textures, draw distance, etc over performance. They will most likely just up the textures and draw distance even further for the Scorpio version and still keep it at 30fps. 1080/60 actually requires about half as much power as 4k/30. They could include a 1080/60 option in-game with minimal extra effort, but they probably won't.

[quent]

So has reality sunken in yet ?, it comes down to what the developers choose to do with the hardware and how long they "choose" optimization will take, more consoles for 3rd party devs to work equals more time added to development equals more delays, these added upgraded consoles only benefit those selling them, while more people wait for the games to be released, this not going to make game development any easier on anyone, we just end up waiting longer for our games that's it, playerbase isn't the only thing being split.

[Tobsesan]

Wow such a PRO console

[Dasteru]

What a shit developer. 4.2TF and these clowns still prioritize excessive visuals over playable framerates. If they are so obsessed with visuals, they should focus on PC development. This is completely contradictory to what consoles are supposed to be.

[Livecustoms]

So in other words, because devs care more about pixels than ACTUAL gameplay performance i should just stick with my Ps4 and not waste my money buying a Ps4 Pro. There was no need for these mid gen refreshes dev's haven't even fully used the power of the ps4 yet...smh.

[game4funz]

Hope more devs keep this up. I don't like mid gen consoles becoming a thing.

I just wonder if it'll stay at 30 for the standard or if it will dip to Low 20s because of lack of optimization for that version.

[_LarZen_]

Dont delude yourself people. As we now slowly move to 4K we will continue to see developers prioritize graphics over framerate just as we have all these years on both the PS5 and the Scorpio.

[ocelot07]

Disappointing even though I have a 4K TV. I would rather of had a 1080p 60FPS option for the Pro.

[NecoTehSergal]

I'd really want to tell Sony that Pro should prioritize 60fps over 1080p+

[Chaos_Order]

Can't say I'm surprised. Devs have no reason to push the Pro/Scorpio if the majority own base consoles. People will still buy the game in droves regardless. I pretty much expected this to happen when the rumours of PS4.5 started. The upgraded consoles will be an afterthought because it is more cost effective to push the original system, rather than go all out with the new hardware. All that power gone to waste...

As someone who hates the idea of intermediate consoles I can't help but find this amusing.

[Tzuno]

Not so PRO it seems :))), but then again what do you want at 400$??? the beauty of PC is that you can disable many stupid options like blur etc and gain fps while the console is all in.
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[gangsta_red]

Funny thing is, not one person would have noticed if nothing was said.

[WellyUK]

And this is why the PS4 Pro is NOT worth it. It's a sad world when people care more about 4k than having smooth games...

[DivineAssault]

If people want 60FPS on all their games, stop hoping for consoles to do it.. You'll need a PC for that.. Both PS4 and PS4 pro will play the same games just like xb1 and scorpio.. The console exclusives are where these premium systems will shine.. 3rd party games will just look shinier

[Tzuno]

I like the photo look at her eyes, she says 30 fps then she pulls off that smile, what can you do? it's evil ahahaahhhhhh

[spoilerjerk]

Mass Effect was my favorite series last generation (even if the ending was awful) the games and characters were a blast to play on multiple playthroughs. With that said... everything about Andromeda shown so far is a game I have no interest in playing. I'm OK with 30FPS and different timeline/characters but the game itself just looks like garbage. Lots of polygons on the screen but terrible art design, great facial animations but some of the most uninteresting characters in any new games let along compared to the original trilogy. I think 30 FPS should probably be the least of people's worries with the new Mass Effect, the game itself looks like a huge step back.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Hopefully they will take advantage of Scorpio when it launches!
I can't wait to see more on this game.