Konami talks about MGSV’s cut Mission 51: it’s not the ending

The past year, one thing that was constantly a point of discussion when it comes to Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is the illusive ‘Mission 51 (Kingdom of the Flies)’, an additional mission that was cut during development. The missions unfinished cutscenes and boss battle were put on the Collector’s Edition bonus disc. and has been a controversial subject ever since. Now, with the official announcement of the Definitive Edition, Konami has responded to some claims and questions regarding this mission.

[Batzi]

Eli's story is a subplot and Episode 51 was going to end that subplot.

The story of TPP has one main ending and that's Episode 46. That's the ending that most people talk about.

[Bansai]

Obligatory #fuckonami

I really hoped they'd do this if they truly wanted to garner back some trust... ehh, silly me.

[Batzi]

It was Kojima's decision to leave 51 out of the game.

[Bansai]

It easy to shift the blame on someone they kicked

[Batzi]

But he said that.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Well the little story we got was good... But Kojima did drop the ball by taking his sweet ass time completing it. I dont blame Konami for forcing him to release it. But it ruined the games' reputation in process. I cant even get myself to play earlier MGS games anymore... It's like Mass Effect all over again...

[mep69]

I refuse to play MGS V anyway, they shouldn't have made an openworld game. I don't play MGS for the size of the map, i play it for the story.

[Ratty]

The story is excellent though. It's told differently and less through cutscenes but it's definitely good.

[zombiewombie]

The story was bad. The main baddie was bad. Snake was bad. Aside from the game play that was fun, this really wasn't a good game. And it was the worst MGS.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Couldn't agree more. I got bashed by fans when I said this pre released last year.

[ifrit_caress]

@zombiewombie... Actually, the worst MGS is Peace Walker. I'm still struggling to destroy that damn tank boss.

[Lukejrl]

The problem was not the story itself- or even how much. if the game was played with just the regular MGS the game would have been about 8 to 10 hours long. the cutscenes would have been more smooshed together. The story the way it is now it could be 15 hours before the next story piece alone.

[inmusicutrust]

Then you're missing out on some of the best MGS gameplay. If the story lived up to expectations and there was more variety in landscapes this would easily be a strong contender for best MGS game.

[_-EDMIX-_]

What was the director gone in the majority of the team gone there is no reason to really care about any future releases at this point I'm happy we at least got a metal gear solid game before Konami destroyed the franchise.

For the immense pressure that he was under, for the difficulty of creating a game with a company that clearly does not want to let go of an intellectual property I'm happy of what we got a Metal Gear Solid 5.

Because of Konami we were never going to get the Metal Gear Solid 5 ending that clearly the director and it's writer wanted.

Go back and look at Metal Gear Solid 4 ending in seriously tell me that the director and writer really intended for that ending because it sounds to me like the publisher which owns the intellectual property favors these characters living into some sort of Eternity because they cannot face the property losing main cast.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Partially true.. But MGS 4 is the end of the MGS franchise. The epilogue was a Swansong IMO. Everything that was explained or needed to be explained was tied up with a neat bow. Was brilliant.

I for one went into MGS V thinking we'll get to see how Big Boss got drugged for 10 years and Les Trebles were born.. But nope, was just glanced over... Instead Konami was like: "Here is an empty HUGE map full of nothingness to build up a base that wont do anything when you finish of the game.

Worst copout.. EVER!

[_-EDMIX-_]

Metal Gear Solid 4 also ends with Snake merely saying some audiolog.

It's very clear from the trailers even from Kojima himself years later that he wanted Snake to kill himself to give a definitive ending to the series.

It's very clear that Metal Gear Solid 5 could not be that because Konami would not allow for Kojima to have a definitive ending to this series because they still plan to milk it , I like Metal Gear Solid 5 for what it was because I understand because of how Konami is it would never allow it to be what the director and writer clearly would want it to be.

Metal Gear Solid 5 story was not that great but in regards to the game play it's one of my favorite Metal Gear Solid to ever release it's easily my favorite stealth game ever released of all time.

Despite the story's flaws I just could not play another Metal Gear Solid game in which 40% of the game consisted of watching a video...

Don't let Konami greed and arrogance mask the brilliance that was kojima's stealth masterpiece. I love the difficulty, I love the high tension and all the options in Metal Gear Solid 5 and every other stealth game just feels like crap in comparison.

@nat- snake doesn't die in Metal Gear Solid 4 I'm sorry but just because they're saying he has 3 months to live doesn't mean he dies and there's a very good reason why Konami specifically likely wanted something like that.

They want every avenue to continue to milk this series, they have wormholes in Metal Gear Solid survival just to explain the game's existence yet you're doubting a company's will to milk a series? Lol

Buddy that's the most delusional thing I think I've ever read and I'm a huge Metal Gear Solid fan it doesn't mean I'm an idiot and simply going to believe that just because there's an assumption of solid snake's death that he won't be in future titles, that doesn't even make any sense based on Konami throwing in wormholes, I'm pretty positive they can also throw in miracle cures lol

You're saying unless they make a dumb ass excuse..... well buddy what I'm trying to tell you is that they're going to make a dumb ass excuse so I'm not sure why you're saying you doubt you'll see Solid Snake in another Metal Gear Solid title yet you're also saying unless it's a dumb ass excuse buddy this is Konami , they're going to find any reason to milk the series please dear God go read what metal gear solid survival actually is and come back and tell me you seriously believe they're leaving Solid Snake dead.

Please never doubt a company's will to make money, they owned the intellectual property, it would be nothing more than stating some nanomachine cure healed Solid Snake and believe me that's the less far-fetched than wormholes.....

I'm not even entirely sure where this confidence came from that this company would somehow leave a character's death sacred especially one that actually never even officially dies and Metal Gear Solid 4 it's merely an assumption that he will in three months nothing has ever been confirmed by anyone regarding the game about him dying and it's clear that's what Konami always wanted.

[Nathan_Hale53]

@EDMIX

Snake died peacefully a few months after the shown ending. Yeah, Kojima wanted him to kill himself, but his OWN staff said that it shouldn't happen that way and he should go peacefully. I thought the ending was great as it tied up a lot of things, and still made me cry. Only other game that made me cry was MGS 3.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Nath- lol what? I don't recall Snake dying at the end of MGS4, they said he had 3 months to live. You don't see him die clearly because Konami wants to sell more MGS titles.

http://gamingbolt.com/kojim...

lol I think he means Konami sent that death threat to change that ending lol. Its likely why its merely an audiolog and not him actually dying in a cutscene.

Konami doesn't want to kill off Snake. They own the IP and Kojima doesn't even want to make it anymore, of course they are going to tell him to keep Snake alive, its THEIR IP! lol I knew he wanted Snake dead because the early trailers suggest he wants to end it with Snake killing himself, clearly along the development Konami likely told him to change it to Snake living as its their property and they plan to milk it til the cows come home.

Love the MGS series, but you must still read between the lines.

@Jon- MGS4 could have ended better, I'd rather Snake kill himself have a climactic ending. Its clear Konami just wanted to milk the series more and just couldn't allow that. They need to sell more games bud. If only Kojima owned the IP...;..

We at least know he really did want Snake dead ending of MGS4 if we can ever say it has a "true" ending.

[Nathan_Hale53]

As you said, he had 3 months to live. He was going to die. I rather this man, who been through more shit than anyone, and saved the world more times than anybody, die peacefully, not from a bullet. He lived out for 3 months. I highly doubt we will see another MGS game after 4 involving Snake, unless they create a dumbass excuse and/or have another cloning project, which would be dumb and uninspired.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

There needs to be a balance between how much time the creator SHOULD take and how much time the publisher comfortably WOULD allow him/her.
Kojima, as we know it, might have stretched the games development too far, too ambitious and too costly.

I do blame Konami for dealing this like a 5yr old throwing tantrums, but from the business side, I get why they took these decisions and releasing GroundZero to make up the costs. (etc yada yada)

[rainslacker]

Hard to say. Kojima claims he's always met his deadlines. If that's the case, then Konami decided to rush it out the door because they were moving in a different direction than the company as a whole, and perhaps due to whatever fallout Kojima and Konami had it made them decide to wrap things up with MGSV early.

It assumes Kojima was speaking truthfully, but generally, outside his trolling for marketing, he's always been upfront on questions regarding actual development.

I think a lot of people don't realize he helped develop 4 other games in the duration that he was making MGSV. MGSV could easily be a 4-5 year development cycle on it's own given it's scope(particularly since it seems a lot was left out), if they were also working on the engine at the same time. I don't think Kojima was behind in schedule the way people think.

[Ratty]

There's always been a 4-5 years gap between Metal Gear games. The only time it was shorter was between MGS4 and Peace Walker. PW released in 2010 and MGSV in 2015. An unfinished game should never be released. No matter how insistent the publisher gets. At least now he has more freedom.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Yea but this one was on 5 platforms and on a expense new engine. I don't think they could even afford to keep working on MGSV, as the game didn't even sell THAT much better then 4, on 5 PLATFORMS! That is very, very bad. The game was costly for them and I don't blame them for wanting it released already. Its likely why they even wanted Ground Zeros.

[Cy]

Yeah, MGSV was a terrible MGS game and it ruined the series for me. I used to play through all the numbered games at least once a year, MGSV totally killed all my motivation to ever do that again.

[Servbot41]

Kojima took a long time because he was creating an engine that was to be used for a majority of future titles alongside the game, with only one team. Japanese developers don't usually create engines that are to be used multiple times, which is incredibly inefficient, and most Western developers are using engines that were created either by a third party or internally years ago that have since been modified a few times, so their development cycles aren't as long as Japanese games.

So taking that into account, I can forgive him for taking as long as he did. Had Konami not Konami'd their whole gaming division, we'd be seeing all of their future titles releasing at a faster pace with pretty great graphics, including future MGS, as the Fox Engine is fantastic. Shame that all his work is basically going to waste and ended up being used for only two titles total.

[Eamon]

At least with Mass Effect, they released the Leviathan DLC which sorted out all remaining plot holes. And the Extended Ending which was a lot better than the original ending.

[lociefer]

as a mgs fanboy i hated the twist and ending so bad i wish i never experienced them, contrary to ppl, for me mgs4 was the best mgs, along with mgs3. And To be fair that ending wouldnt have added anything for me coz the twist was just sooo...... lets just hope kojima's next game turn up good.

[Jon_Targaryen]

So hoped the Frank Jaeger fan theories were true instead of the ending we got.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Lol that's what I'm riding with , but I stopped caring about the story because of what Konami was doing in my mind Metal Gear Solid 5 it's just a small peek into the prequel of the entire series with Metal Gear 1 and 2.

We already know what happens prior to those games so I'm happy that this at least happened with a prequel and not some sort of continuation like something after 4.

[Eamon]

Completely agree. The Venom twist was so forced and unnecessary.

The story of MGS5 felt very lacking. I think it's because Kojima is used to making linear games so his story was designed for that. Therefore it was stretched like a bubblegum which is why there were barely any cutscenes and the "filler" parts of the story just felt like placeholders. Chapter 2 was clearly unfinished. I reckon the story in Chapter 2 was going to be in Chapter 1 but when the team realised that they were way behind schedule, they had to change plans and take story plot points from Chapter 1 and put in Chapter 2. Only God knows what happened to Chapter 3.

[joethetimelord]

I feel Kojima working on a new IP is exactly what he's been needing and even wanting. He actually wanted to end MGS with the second game. I'm glad he didn't, but you know it was a creative pain in the ass to keep milking the same franchise for years.

[rainslacker]

I didn't have a problem with the story overall outside the way it was presented mostly through audio tapes, with the actual cut scenes being kind of 80's in their presentation(ie minimal and pointless) instead of delivering on strong story points which was typical in other MGS games. There was also no real variety to the story cut scenes. Most of them took place on motherbase, were in enclosed rooms, and occasionally you saw the outside with some random event or the consequence of the prior interior shot. most of the one's off motherbase seemed more like interludes into boss fights, or basic introductory segments for characters, and held no character growth for Snake himself most of the time.

The ending was kind of dumb, and very predictable from the first chapter in the hospital if you paid attention, and even more apparent when you had to replay that section later.

To me, it was the pacing of the story which was the biggest problem, and the open world nature of the game itself tended to detract from the urgency which the story seemed to be taking place. On top of that, most of the prevelant story was so weakly delivered it was hard to really care by the end. I was curious about some characters, but with say Eli, we kind of knew his fate....so the story wasn't really that interesting.

More so, the way they did the ending, made it all just kind of it's own independent thing. It could either be taken as cannon or not. But ultimately, it devalues Big Bosses' role in the overall events which were taking place during the time that this game was set, and tried too hard to make Big Boss into more of an idea, rather than an actual person worthy of antagonism.

I enjoyed the game play itself, and some of the missions were quite well constructed. Just getting to them, and the repetitiveness of the side missions....or the recycling of missions for later in the game, or the overall blandness of the environments which the game took place in, wasn't all that compelling. Even those little missions which were a break from the main missions(important side ops) weren't all that interesting, nor did they add anything much to the overall game or story.

Then of course, it all felt incomplete at the end, and the ending itself seemed more about just making sure that people knew what the ending was instead of making it into something meaningful. I was actually kind of excited when the first chapter ended, and then realized it wasn't the end of the game. First chapter was pretty decent, then the second just dragged on. I was hoping for a chapter three, to actually explain why anything in chapter two was important, and when it failed to come, I was disappointed....moreso because I couldn't finish up the side ops with Quiet(before the patch). That would have made the whole significance of her being gone that I feel Kojima was going for with the premise of what the Phantom Pain was have a much deeper impact. In the end though, it's not that much of a big deal just to do clean up, and for those who don't do that stuff, it's absolutely meaningless.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Twist pissed me off. It devolved Big Boss and made him seem much less great. It hardly ever touched on Les Enfants Terribles, and it had the weakest overall story. I LOVED MGS 3 and 4 to death giving the edge to 3 though.

[_-EDMIX-_]

MGS3 will always be at the top of my all time favorite games of all time!

MGSV was Konami's way of trying to make Big Boss seem like some normal or even "good" person.

This man killed a lot of people and purposely used child soldiers in wars he helped create. Basically he would take children from wars he created, train them and put them back into the battlefield further fueling the military industrial complex. He wasn't a good guy and its clear the publisher didn't like the IP having a bad game as the main character and kept trying to rationalize him.

Konami is still trying to milk an IP in the future so its not really surprising that they would go that route. If Kojima owned the IP, of course Big Boss would have been straight anti-hero lol I would have been fine with that.

[RosweeSon]

No plans to further develop episode 51 no course not cos you've sacked the developer, now milking the game and franchise for what's it's worth. No.

[rainslacker]

Pretty much. Why expend money on developing an expensive campaign mission when you can just package it up as a video which everyone has seen already and resell the game with a new trophy list and possibly some DLC added to push the micro-transactions.

[FallenAngel1984]

I'm just disappointed we never got the badass scene where Big Boss's face is covered in blood and there's flames behind him as was depicted in the E3 2014 trailer.

[Jon_Targaryen]

IKR?!?! I saw that as a contrass from him the good guy slowly turning to villain the game picture us to be back in the original MG games.

Guess I read too deep into that little scene...

[FallenAngel1984]

The game itself did a poor job at showing the protagonist transitioning from a hero into a villain. That scene would be greatly highlighted such a transition.

There's even a nuclear disarmament cutscene, which really goes against the intended purpose of this game showing a man becoming a terrorist who'd threaten the world with nukes.

[zombiewombie]

It would've been even better if he went full bad guy at the end and you switch perspectives to a young Solid Snake trying to take him out. They would've needed to switch the time frame though.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Well in retrospec Big Boss wasnt ever really a bad guy.. The Patriots just wanted you to believe he was to fulfill their own selfish agenda hence why they aka Zero established the Fox unit to counter or infiltrate all his operations.

I think people just think Big Boss is a bad guy is because how Liquid and Fox classified him in the original MGS.

[_-EDMIX-_]

10000% agreed.

WhereTF is this Big Boss?

https://i.redditmedia.com/h...

Give me the old boss, give the boss I love, give me the boss I NEED! This man in the OG MG1 and 2 was out right using child solider, putting country against country to fuel more wars all while he was profiting from both sides...

I mean....this isn't really a story you can really have WITHOUT showing he is evil, Konami clearly didn't want to show how bad he was and clearly was trying to make it seem as if he had his reasons, who on earth rationalizes child soldiers, genocide and supporting proxy wars?

My opinion......don't. Just go BALLS DEEP Anti-Hero and show how evil he really was. He isn't SOLID SNAKE! He is a bad guy, let us see that bad guy. Konami is worried about their IP and how they can keep selling Snake as "good guy" and I think they lost plots they could use.

MGS4 Snake is dying, sure they can just make up a cure and back to killing he goes!

They can remake MG1 and 2. The still had plots they could milk. I think MGSV's Big Boss is tame because Kojima doesn't own the IP, Konami doesn't want to basically have some genocide pushing, war mongering, child solider having character as the main guy lol Makes you wonder how much Kojima and Murata had to change in order to keep Konami happy.

@Jon- "Big Boss wasnt ever really a bad guy"

lol

https://i.redditmedia.com/h...

no.

Play MG1 and 2 please. That man was very much a bad guy.... Big Boss vs Zero was never about good vs evil, it was literally Evil vs Evil lol

[Kaneki-Ken]

Kojima said that it was never part of the game itself to begin with and along with many other scenes that was missing.

[FallenAngel1984]

@ zombie

Nah we didn't need to see Solid Snake again, and we sure as hell don't want Keifer Sutherland voicing a younger Solid Snake since it'd be unlikely that KP would've gotten David Hayter back to voice a relatively small role.

What should've happen was the Venom should've aged into the elder looking Big Boss in the final scene like he's been depicted in the artwork. Venom looking exactly the same when he's 63 as he did 11 years prior when he was 52 was a poor way to show that a time lapse had occurred at the end of MGSV.

@ Jon

Nah Big Boss was a villain, he even says so at the end of MGS4. At the end of the day he still became a terrorist that threatened the world with neverending warfare with nukes.

Yeah it was to take down the Patriots but that still doesn't make him a complete hero, especially for noncombatants who would suffer from the neverending global warfare of Outer Heaven. He was planning to put child soldiers in a never ending conflict for Kojima's sake.

@ Kan

When did Kojima say that scene wasn't in the game prior to it releasing?

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

[Gardenia]

The story was so weak that it is hard to believe Kojima worked on it. It wasn't even about Big Boss but some other random guy. You would think after Raiden in MGS2, Kojima wouldn't make that mistake again. It would have been way more interesting to see how Outer Heaven would have started, Gray Fox and Shadow Moses.

But the gameplay and atmosphere were good enough for me to enjoy the game

[_-EDMIX-_]

How do you know it's the game director and writer? You do know that Konami owns the intellectual property to Metal Gear Solid not them right?

They are contracted to create that work yes but they're also have limitations based on the what the company wants the reality is Kojima couldn't even kill off Solid Snake in Metal Gear Solid 4, despite it being very obvious that was the intention with all the trailers and even Kojima outright coming out and saying it himself years later.

Before you go after the creators for the story remember who they're even making this game for in the first place, they don't own the intellectual property to make such bold changes in the story.

If Konami wants to milk the series you're never getting something definitive. Because of this I do not blame the director or writer for Metal Gear Solid 5 strange story because I always felt that Metal Gear Solid 4 story was compromised because of what the publisher wanted and not what the writers wanted..

It was very clear for a long time that Konami did not want to portray big boss as a bad guy despite him very much being an evil person and I think it's what likely made them Force the director and writer to not even make it him at the ending of the game I think it makes it easier for them to milk the rest of the series this doesn't sound like a move that's being done for Creative purposes it sounds like it's being done for preservation of the series for them to continue to milk long into the future.

[Kaneki-Ken]

You can't blame everything on Konami. Konami have the power to change MGS4 ending but at the end of the day, it still Kojima game and he could have handle the story better like the Antagonist, Boss fight, many trailer scene that was never part of the game, Open World could have been linear, Grey Fox introduction, Zero Original voice actor couldn't return because Kojima waisted the money on Kiefer, Both Big Boss and Fake Big Boss barely even talk in the game, Side mission that was very repetitive but GZ side mission was way better, plot holes.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@kan- "MGS4 ending but at the end of the day, it still Kojima game "

For a fact that's wrong I have no idea what you're talking about Kojima does not own the intellectual property to Metal Gear Solid you could very much look this information up he has zero power over the intellectual property.

That isn't even debatable that's actually just a solid fact....

If you're writing for a game or directing a game of an intellectual property you do not own you can't merely just kill off a bunch of characters cuz you feel like it because the people that own that intellectual property are very much are only going to entertain a story that allows them to make money deep into the future.

There's a reason why for a fact Kojima does not own the intellectual property so what you're saying is for a fact incorrect based on the pure legal understanding of the matter.

[The_Kills]

Umm we know it's not the ending, the game was half finished as there were to be two more chapters. The sky is also blue if you guys didn't know.

[Perjoss]

"Konami talks"

but does anyone really care at this point.

[sdcard4gb]

Ofcourse it's not.
Here, people - 80 million dollars, 5 years of development time, hype and tons of tweeted food... And what did we get in the end ?
A story which almost resumes every 5 hours of gameplay (at best), spans 1.5 acts, ends without a proper climax and resolution, effectively making the prologue the only really meaningful part of the entire game.
A lackluster villain who gets squashed instead of putting up a fight.
A Unit which, first time in the entire series, has no characters, no backstories, no 4th-wall-breaking tactics to defeat and no real contextual meaning, The Skulls, bra-vo.
The same kind of mission again and again: "make-a-X-amount-of-Y-dis appear".
Grind, lots of it.Almost mobile free-top-play amounts of grind.
Call of Duty-like multiplayer which has very little MGS about it... (watch videogamedunkey video on MGO, quite clearly shows the main problem of the mode).
The dreaded jeep ride... Oh god....

The conclusion = if not for Kojima's departure the game might have got much more favourable reviews, but sadly everyone was too dramatized by this event and decided to love the game, no matter how lackluster it is. Shame on us all.

[Jon_Targaryen]

That Jeep drive sequence will always make me scratch my head in disbelief that Venom Snake just sat there not contradicting anything Grey skull or whatever his name had to say..

He was just sitting there like a little bitch eating up every word... When I saw this I realized this game is gonna make us hardcore wonder... How the fudge did we go from a epic Epilogue to this?!?!?!

[sdcard4gb]

I dunno, dude.
Here, understand that you are not alone in this pain - https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[ElementX]

I never really played the previous MGS games, other than a little of MGS4. I thought Phantom Pain was awesome for what it was, however it did get a little repetitive. I would definitely buy another open world game with the depth this game had. There were so many ways to complete the missions, the number of weapons, etc. It was an awesome experience.

[Jon_Targaryen]

I'm glad you enjoyed the game, at least one of us did. But if you knew what MGS V was supposed to be like you'd undersand our frustration, the best way I can compare MGS V to its predecessors is:

Previous MGS games is the E3 No Mans Sky, where MGS V is the the retail version of No Mans Sky. Might be wide as an ocean, but deep as a puddle with no pay off at the end.

[mastershredder]

Oh wow....buy the definitve edition in order play and beat the whole game....

Definitive bs. Strategic as f.

[Artemidorus]

Of course it's not, come buy our next MGS V game $$$, find out the real ending $$$.

[ShinRon]

Maybe release this info 8-10 months ago? Before people thought they were getting ripped off.

Im a big TPP fan, it was my goty last year... its frustrating to see Konami not doing better by the best series in gaming history.

[2cents]

Shut up Konami.

[Moe-Gunz]

Just stop talking

[Djinn]

This game was a fucking piece of shit, especially the story and writing. SHIT WRITING. REPETITIVE GAMEPLAY. Good riddance kojima -kun.

[feraldrgn]

Konami, I don't believe you.
Heck I can't believe anything you say since it'll just be an attempt to save face.

Kojima wanted to end the series at MGS4 with Snake dying, but Konami wouldn't let him kill off one of their most profitable IP's.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Well umm Solid Snake isnt the same person as Venom Snake or Big Boss.. Just thought I'd throw that out there... And MGS V is looooooong before MGS 4.

[feraldrgn]

Yes, but the game wasn't called "Metal Gear V", so it's still a part of the Solid storyline, if he had been allowed to have Solid die & be fulfilled, then there would be no point in MGSV.

[melonfarm3r]

I would have loved this game a whole lot more if it didn't have the base management nonsense. That was so tedious in comparison to the main game.

[ZombieGamerMan]

So instead of just expanding on mission 51 and do a whole expansion bout finding Eli. the ids and the Metal Gear they stole that would have put an end to a very glaring plot hole in the game you guys go and make a zombie survival game, yeah no good will for you

[thelaughingwiseman]

All I wanted to do was have the ability of riding that tank thing Huey built and possibly the Metal Gear. I didn't get to. The complaint for me is the cut content, this is an extension of the cut content. I didn't care for this little sub plot. I bet it would have been sold as DLC and all that jazz. It would have been fine as a 5-15 dollar DLC that way. That way Eli would have been an optional character to have on the base throughout the game.

[esmittystud101]

Okay, at first I thought I was sour on this game for the simple fact I've been stuck on Misson 13 or 14 since three months after launch (haven't played the game since). I like the options the game gives you. The character movement is top knotch. Building up your base is pretty good, but I think more guys were worried about that missing mission........then they we're with the bland map that we all got. I wondered how they were able to hit 1080p 60 fps on PS4. They didn't have any content in the map itself. Hardly any wildlife or structures. They fill that map up (like pretty much all other open world maps) they are not hitting 1080p 60fps on PS4.

[ifrit_caress]

I can't hold it in... I have to say it... #FUCKONAMI

[Gamist2dot0]

Ugh, the Eli mission....smh.

[scark92]

Thumbnail is Konami

[joethetimelord]

How bout Chapter 3, Konami?

[Germany7]

Worst MGS ever made, really awful game. Ground Zeroes was expensive and short, the first DLC ever released before the main game, TPP ruined the characters and the narrative.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Story was the weakest in the series. The twist pissed me off, it hardly touched on Les Enfants Terribles, which was the main reason why I waited for this game once it was teased, the emotions they tried to make were rather weak, the main villain was weak, the game felt choppy overall and they removed David Hayter. I loved the gameplay, although it was much easier than the previous games to sneak and spot enemies. I wish the ending was never a thing and I never saw it. MGS 1-4 are some of my favorite games with 3 and 4 being my all time favorite games. Hard to see that Kojima actually directed this game.

I am refusing to buy any other Metal Gear game. The series should be put to rest. Survive looks like a tumor that shouldn't be in the timeline. Hope that game flops.

[formanbradley]

So whose idea was it to blatantly sell unfinished content in a collectors edition (that only hardcore fans would get)? Did you not see this PR disaster from a mile away? Apparently not... or they just give negative zero shits at this point.