Is Nioh More Hardcore than Dark Souls?

Jake and Tay compare the brutal Nioh alpha demo to Dark Souls III. From stamina drops to punishing enemies, which is more hardcore?

[ShadowKnight]

They need to fix the camera imo. Just beat the demo last night. Once you level up it gets easier.

[Kingthrash360]

Yes...the camera killed me more than a few times. ..but it's pretty hardcore...the combat is deep too...day 1 for me

[Eidolon]

What stats do you recommend?

[ChronoJoe]

Max strength and use an axe for the easiest time, I would say.

But you an use anything really. Just pick a stat that matches your weapon. I wouldn't put points into Vitality or KI, because I feel that you have plenty and the gains aren't that significant overall, but I probably would put points into these stats later on in the full game.

[Eidolon]

I've done most my points in Strength, and invested into some Samurai and Ninja skill points for abilities.

[Summons75]

I know it's more unfair and that takes out the fun that the game could have....

[zeal0us]

Incoming down-votes from Nioh fans for speaking your mind.

The need to fix the stamina system. Its one thing to not be able to attack but to hoof for air while leaving yourself vulnerable to attack just unnecessary. Now I'm just going to attack two times block and jump back and rinse and repeat.

The camera system is one of the biggest pain in the ass with the game.

I guess being one hit killed makes it hardcore and not cheap.

[Dir_en_grey]

The developers can not fix people's stupidity and their inability to understand something so simple shown right in front of their faces.

You have a stamina bar, enemy has a stamina bar, you and the enemy pant when out of stamina. How hard is it to put the two together and understand to try to drain the enemy's stamina and not your own...

Retarded gamers wanting every little thing to be spoon fed to them are really just cancer to gaming...

[jambola]

He said it's unfair and takes out the fun? of course people are going to disagree

i agree with the stamina, thought the camera was fine, and most enemies don't kill you in one hit.

Maybe you didn't play far enough to know that, or you didn't play at all, nobody who played much could think it's just one hit kills.

[robtion]

It's definitely harder. I have died a LOT!

Still getting my head around the complexities of the combat and other systems. Great setting though. Feels like a day 1 buy for me.

I think most hardcore Souls fans will like this game. It's certainly a challenge.

[monkeyDzoro]

The question is though: "Are DKS games really that hard?"
Because in termsof difficulty, there are and there have been much much harder games than DKS ones....
BTW "stamina" isn't a DKS thing, and they still don't know how to "ki pulse"... TeamNinja should introduce a much clearer tutorial for it. Many people seem reeally oblivious of that mechanic. Or is it that they just DON'T pay attention to tutorial plus the white glowing stamina bar?

[rezzah]

How do you activate it?

[monkeyDzoro]

Ki pulse is a mechanic that allows you to INSTANTLY gain back the ki you have used for a combo or a move. If you look carefully at the ki bar, you'll see that when you used it, it becomes RED then there's a white bar filling it up when you end your move (like an active reload in Gears of War).

If you press R1 then, your ki will refill depending on how much the white ki bar will have moved. So if you wait the white ki bar to refill your lost ki (in RED) and then press R1, you'll gain ALL the ki you've previously used.
A little tip: when the white ki bar fills the red one, you'll see that portion of your ki bar glowing in white. Plus, there will be many small white-blueish particles surrounding your character at that moment.

Here are some vids of a player showing that perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[jambola]

I know a tutorial popped up on how to do it, but it seemed to be the only one that didn't appear in the tutorial list after.

[cyberwaffles]

If its cheap like Ninja Gaiden then I'm going to pass. That game, although fun, made me rage quit.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

I wouldn't call it more hardcore. It's being made by Team Ninja who are known for the Ninja Gaiden games. I'm actually quite disappointed the game has so much in common with Dark Souls.

[kraenk12]

The whole fighting system is way more complex than the Souls games.

[Get_A_Job_Foxtrot]

WHERE did he say anything about the fighting system?

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

It definitely is. I rather get this game than Dark Souls III. Combat is fun and challenging.

[destroyerz1]

That first boss kill me 16 times lol

They need to fix a lot things, but the game is fucking awesome! #dayone

[OpenGL]

One thing they need to do away with in the final game is the "press X to retry" when you die. What else are you going to do, quit at the death screen? Gears of War did this as well and it always seemed stupid to me. Just reload from the last checkpoint like Souls / BB. The alpha already loads pretty fast and it would make deaths less annoying.

[jambola]

yeah, that would be nice,
Not sure if it's just me, but i wish they'd change holding circle to interact to just pressing it.

[Harmonizer]

Geralt?

[Majin-vegeta]

No

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

[scark92]

Nioh its not! ;D

[NovusTerminus]

My biggest issue is how fast equipment breaks and how rare whetstones are.

[madara0sama]

I like the game but the equipment system is just a horror. Also don't like the no character customization.

[Get_A_Job_Foxtrot]

I think they want to go with a heavy narrative. Might be why it won't have custom characters (?)

[KentBenMei]

Two shotted? That's not fun. Neither is being totally paralyzed after losing stamina. I hope this "xxxtreme radical difficultY!!!11!" trend isn't infecting other games...

[Dowie]

What makes souls game so appealing is the reasonable challenge they offer. Sure they're hard games and punish mistakes but they're at least reasonable, they've designed it extremely well. However I felt with Nioh the difficulty was a bit much and felt artificial at times. This is coming from souls vet, i've beaten them all from demons to dark 3. I'm no beginner but I was mostly dying to bullshit. Fighting more than one enemy is likely to get you killed, I know this should be avoided but that already speaks volumes of the design. If I have to fight every enemy one on one because i'm held back by stamina (not skill) then it becomes a tedious trek every time. You see this a lot in souls game where there are smarter/safer ways to deal with things but a more skilled player could still take the hard path. it'd be harder but it was definitely possible. In NiOh, it doesn't feel like that. It feels like take the safe route or die.

It needs improvement and I know my opinion is the minority, i'm aware people really love it but comparing it to the souls series just highlights Niohs weakness. It punishes you way too hard for making small mistakes and the enemies hit way to hard. Nothing wrong with a little challenge but its becoming obnoxious.