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Theory: Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Demon's Souls share a timeline

"Now that the Dark Souls 3 hype is building, I thought it would be a good time to hit all of you with a cool fan theory about."

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DragonDDark3303d ago

Although the creator denies it, I still think there is a possibility.

Summons753303d ago

I agree, the FL Shrine in Dark Souls 3 reminds me sooooo much of Demon's Souls. Not just the going back to level but the whole layout is like it. I dunno if it's just me.

naruga3303d ago (Edited 3303d ago )

Demon Souls and Blooborne may be in same world ...Dark Souls series probably not

ocelot073303d ago

I think they are all connect. Like patches is in both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls (not sure of 3) as well as Bloodborne.

I saw a guy with Bloodborne gear on in Dark Souls 3 today.

sdcard4gb3302d ago

If creator denies it there are no possibilities.
Case and point.

DragonDDark3302d ago

He denied stuff that later were confirmed in his games. I think he just doesn't want to be spoilery

Spurg3303d ago

"Dark Souls is a type of game that is intentionally vague, and allows the player to create their own story with the evidence provided. Your story won't be like that of anyone else, and it probably shouldn't be."
This is by far the stupidest description I read for Dark Souls. Everyone's story in Dark souls is the same, you don't create your own story...the story is already set in stone through the item descriptions.

The evidence provided are not substantial enough to be taken seriously...its more speculation than evidence. It n interesting though but unlikely. Plus we already have confirmation from miazaki thats it not connected

DragonDDark3303d ago

Yeah, I agree. But It is an interesting Theory.

mechlord3302d ago

Yeah....because it would be the first time the game creator would mislead) us right? Like describing bloodborne as something its completely not, right?

-Foxtrot3303d ago

Interesting.

I wouldn't mind Demon Souls and Dark Souls to share a world even if it meant they were in parallel worlds or something but I think Bloodborne should be kept separate as it's own thing.

However you could say Bloodborne is a parallel world where the Blood replaced Souls.

Another theory is that you have Demon Souls as the first game and then the timeline splits into two where things acted out differently. One timeline which continued to use Souls and the other where Blood replaced them, this would explain where one series of games kept the Soul name in the title and the other used Blood.

Kalebninja3303d ago (Edited 3303d ago )

Don't think it was mentioned here but the watch dog of the old Lords in Bloodborne looks identical to the Dog guarding the entrance to Irithyll of the Boreal Valley in Dark Souls 3.

Master-H3303d ago

No it doesn't. The wolf monsters in Irithyll and near the Aldrich Faithful covenant look like some monster from the Berserk manga. The Watch Dog is distinctly different.

Sirk7x3302d ago (Edited 3302d ago )

The souls series is pretty heavily based on Berserk. There are nods to it everywhere.

Liqu1d3303d ago

They might share similarities but they're nowhere near identical.

PurpHerbison3302d ago (Edited 3302d ago )

They share a great deal of resemblance, to the point that I wish the DS3 watchdogs looked different. Had a chance to really give us something cool and unique to DS3 and we got a BB esque watchdog instead. Not saying the DS3 watchdog isn't cool, but you know. I'd like to see designs that are completely brand new.

Goldby3303d ago

Dark Souls and Bloodborne are Connected, and ondly enough, it seems like Bloodborne happened after Dark Souls 3 at least mainly due to the inclusion of the Black Hand Armor Set and Marvelous Chester in Dark Souls 2
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"Attire of hunters known as the King's Black Hands. A black cape covers leather armor, shrouding the wearer in darkness.

Black Hand was the title established to honor hunters who served successive generations of kings. To date, no more than three such individuals have borne this distinction."

The Three Hunters they are talking about most likely are Father Gascoigne, Gehrman and "the player"

DragonDDark3303d ago (Edited 3303d ago )

Woah... now that I think about it. ..

(SPOILERS DS3 Ending) the true ending where the first flame turns off, the dark souls repeated cycle is done. Everything goes dark.. and supposedly the world ends but instead bloodborne happens!

This is cool xD

PurpHerbison3302d ago

I think so as well and it is because of the Aldrich soul description.

"When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea. "

Liqu1d3303d ago

I don't think so. You can find Black Hand Gotthard's corpse outside the Grand Archive and you fight Black Hand Kamui later in the level. I

n the Bloodborne Alpha/Beta you could glitch out the map and fight Father Gascoigne, if he killed you he would say "Umbasa" which is straight from Demon's Souls, it's absent in the final game but it seems they were playing with the idea of having Demon's Souls and Bloodborne share the same world.

Goldby3303d ago

Umbasa was Demon souls version of a "amen", finishing a prayer, hence why its Father Gascoigne who said it as he's clergy. Theres also unconfirmed links between The Dark Sun Gwyndolin and Mergo's Wet Nurse. Gwyndolin was born a male, brought up as a female, and is only accesible through the Yellow Resonance Ring. IMO, Either Dark Sun went to take Queen Yharnam's Child from her as he couldn't bear childrens himself, as he truly believed he was a female at that point, or was the wetnurse at that time but it was a still borne, and the only way she knew how to keep the child alive was through blood instead of milk. hence her connection with Eileen, the hunter of hunters. and they both have weapons made of siderite that is similiar to Titanite from DS, both come from the heavens/gods. Mergo's Wet nurse is mission 2 blades, one is Eileens blades of mercy, the other is Gerhman's Burial Blade.

Unfortunately these sort of things will probably never be fully answered by From. but thats some of the best parts, theory talk

Liqu1d3302d ago

The description for Gascoigne's set says that Father is a title used for clerics in a foreign land, that's why I think he may have been intended to be from Boletaria.

I'm not sure about the Gwyndolin and Wet Nurse Connection. In Dark Souls 3 you'll find out what happened to him, you may see some similarities between Gwyndolin and a certain boss.

Duoma3302d ago (Edited 3302d ago )

I always had an inkling that the "ancient ones" described in bloodborne could possibly be the enemies we encounter in the dark souls series. There was always talk about the dream in bloodborne being a nexus to alternate timelines or realities, it would be neat if dark souls was one of those.

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50 Best PS3 Games of All Time

The PlayStation 3 is Sony’s most interesting home console ever, but what’s most interesting of all is trying to nail down the very best games on a console with hundreds of incredible games. Let’s give it a shot.

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darthv7260d ago

Personally, I'd rank Pacific Rift in my top 10. It's the best of the series.

badz14960d ago

We desperately need Motorstorm back. Evolution is no more though and this makes me sad

Cacabunga60d ago

Sly Thieves in Time
Stay the Party
Portal 2
Dj Hero
Demon’s Souls
God of war Ascension

rudero60d ago

2 of those games got railed through the “gaming media” during release.
Sly and god of war.
Both of which were fantastic games.

Cacabunga59d ago

Ascension is VERY underrated. Remake please!

Venoxn4g60d ago

Decent list.. I would put the Castle Crashers as well..

1Victor60d ago

Yes it’s a decent list of popular games with a heavy hand on FPS and no Warhawk or Starhawk 2 of the best games (not sale wise) on ps3.
I would buy a Starhawk again even if it didn’t have a graphics upgrade hell I would even take a new one with micro transactions 😱🤯

Profchaos60d ago

I've noticed a recent nostalgia for the PS3 and I don't get it for me it's been my least favourite generation to date and I've been gaming since the NES I just feel like the ambition of the developers outweighed the capabilities of the consoles so I remember lots of games running in the lower end of 20fps range and I remember for the first time ever actually disliking the duelshock 3 and it's curved triggers

Sure there were some standouts and great games but that's the only gen I switched entirely to PC gaming

darthv7260d ago

Maybe the recent nostalgia is because pretty much all of its games are trapped on that console. People want to play them on more modern hardware. hell... if XB can do it then so can Sony. there are competent emulators out there that can run on PS4/5 hardware but Sony just wont let them become official... why is that?

If we are talking least favorite generations (personally) then this one is certainly mine. i had more fun playing 8th, 7th and 6th gen stuff than 9th. And it isnt like i dont have access to do so... the heavy hitters just havent shown up anywhere close to those previous gens. The few here and there just doesnt cut it compared to the likes of constant good games that showed up in 6th, 7th and 8th gen. hell.... I'll even throw in 5th gen has been better than this one.

Profchaos60d ago

I tend to agree there's lots of amazing games locked to the PS3 like GTA IV or mgs 4 but then again my issue was never with the content the PS3 had but rather it's performance many other people have said the PS3 felt like it couldn't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time using PSN and downloading a game could take a few minutes to just start a download.

I typically don't worry all that much about performance I've never had a problem with games that run at 30 but games like crysis 2, Skyrim are good examples where the performance was so unstable you would never even touch the top of the frame cap and the hitching was worse than say Goldeneye on the n64

I think emulation is more than possible on the ps5 though it's just that Sony has no incentive to rush it's development it will likely be a ps6 feature if it ever happens at all.

But yeah the 9th gen has been so bad from a content perspective thats a given I see constant articles where people are frequently expressing their disappointment around the industry as a whole right now to much live service competition that sinks longstanding studios and consumes Devs time less ambition and games cost so much to make they have to play it safe.

The 5th gen was easily better than the 9th we had some all time greats crash, Spyro, Tony hawk, mgs, Mario,64, Goldeneye, Mario kart 64 the list goes on. The 5th gave us a new dimension and I remember being blown away by how much more open gaming had become the 4th gen with the mega drive and SNES was great and very easy to still revisit some of the greatest games of all time came out like earthbound, secret of mana, sonic , Mario world etc but saving our games was still not a standard function or a given so gaming was still evolving but it was very impressive to see some of the tricks Devs used like dithering to give us new experiences those earlier gens limitations bred innovation.

Michiel198960d ago

if XB can do it so can sony? I didn't know xbox had a cell processor in their older consoles, that's the reason why ps3 was so cool, but also the reason why games are hostage there and no, xbox did nothing similar even though their backward compatbility is good, they always had a similar architecture to their consoles.

darthv7259d ago

Sorry Michael... I guess you missed the obvious part where i said there are already emulators out that do this. and that is what XB is doing... emulators for OG and 360 games. Its why the full slate is not BC on XBO/Series.

coolbeans60d ago (Edited 60d ago )

The list is missing Folklore.

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FromSoftware didn’t want Sony to publish Dark Souls due to how Demon’s Souls was treated

Former SIE president Yoshida explained that Sony wanted to work on the sequel to Demon’s Souls with FromSoftware, but the developer turned it down and instead decided to work with Bandai Namco on what would become Dark Souls.

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Luc2071d ago

Not sure what Sony was thinking. Wrong people testing the game. It was my favourite game from the PS3 days. Had to import it from Canada because it wasn't available in Europe at the time. Then I bought it again when a local version was available. It was fun to play online and get two separate platinum.

Cacabunga71d ago

I understand, sony acting so cocky when it came out. But they quickly realized what they were missing on. I remember an interview of Yoshida saying clearly he hated the game.

SDuck71d ago

"But they quickly realized what they were missing on."
So they've been sleeping on Bloodborne too

RaiderNation71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

Sony didn't realize what they had with Demons Souls. It happens. Marvel approached Xbox to make Spider-Man before they went to Sony and Phil Spencer said "thanks but no thanks". You win some, you lose some. Personally I wasn't THAT bowled over by Demons Souls either when it launched on PS3. I thought it was slow and clunky. The remake on PS5, however, is fantastic! So I get why Sony was lukewarm on the franchise. I dont know if anybody could've foreseen what From Software would eventually become.

Palitera71d ago

To be fair, not even From Software knew the huge success it would become. Their revenue target was tiny, as already confirmed by Miyazaki.

LoveSpuds71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

Exactly, these nipple head 'journalists' trying to spin this into a story to wield against Sony are ignoring the fact that hindsight is 20/20.

As you correctly point out, Demons Souls was incredibly niche at the time so it's not a surprise that Sony were cautious about investing huge amounts into advertising and support etc.

Pyrofire9571d ago

You can't just find the RIGHT people. This kind of thing didn't exist yet. FROMSOFTWARE started something huge and you could never see it unless you happen to get someone who not only gets a gut instinct but also the will and authority to act on it. You can't look back from 2025, you have to see it in a 2009 landscape. And Demon's Souls didn't even hit big, it wasn't until Dark Souls that it all started hitting, shortly after it's release in 2011.

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GamingSinceForever71d ago

Hey sometimes you just can’t see the potential.

It’s like the Chicago Bears moving up in the draft to take Trubisky over Pat Mahomes.

Pyrofire9571d ago

I don't know one ounce of these sports teams, but yes, exactly like that.

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jznrpg71d ago

I bought the Japanese version of Demons Souls before US release. Me and my friend heard about it from an online friend in Japan. It took a while for it to become popular in the US. It was a new IP with nothing like it at the time and it wasn’t easy to play obviously. Eventually word of mouth spread about it and sales picked up after launch. I don’t think anyone could have seen how big it would be at the time. It was considered very niche and hardcore games were minimal.

Scissorman71d ago

I do wonder if we'll ever see Demon's Souls 2. Sony clearly wanted it. FromSoftware's subsequent releases penetrated the mainstream in ways the developer likely never imagined. Any stigma or negative perception around the original game's release has long passed. Bluepoint's remake sold very well on PS5. I think the time has come to visit the IP that started it all.

ocelot0771d ago

With Sony now firmly in bed with Kadokawa now. I think a Demon's Souls 2 and/or Bloodborne 2 is fairly likely.

Pyrofire9571d ago

They also seem to not want to get on Fromsoft's bad side or undercut them in any way. I think it's completely up to FS. (which is kinda funny cause FS themselves makes weird moves with their games whenever it's not Miyazaki helming the project. ie DS2 and Nightreign)

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Top 10 Soulslikes You're Not Playing

Soulslikes are punishingly difficult but amongst the most compelling games. Power Up Gaming goes through the top ten Soulslikes you're likely not playing.

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thorstein82d ago

Demon's Souls isn't Soulslike. It's the original Souls game. WTF? And Elden Ring?

Another Crab's Treasure simply is not.

All the journos claiming things are "Soulslike" simply don't know what that word means.

GeeEssEff81d ago

The term “Soulslike” has become ridiculously diluted. I have seen it used for games just because they are difficult.

Cacabunga81d ago

Reminds me of Doom like back in the days for every FPS game

blackblades81d ago (Edited 81d ago )

Yeah, souls, souls lite, souls like same goes for rogue.

anast80d ago

It's either AI or the writer doesn't know the subject matter.

robtion81d ago

I've played all of these bar the Crab one so not a very accurate title.

Goodguy0181d ago (Edited 81d ago )

Nioh 1+2 imo are the best souls clone. Love the melee combat and ki system, really hoping team ninja doesn't abandon the IP and continue with a new title, hell just give us your take on the western fantasy setting for a new nioh game.

robtion80d ago

Yes Nioh 2 in particular is great. Also Wo Long (which is basically Nioh 3).

qalpha80d ago

Should have included 'Lies of P'. Seriously fun game.

Nacho_Z80d ago

That's what I was going to say, great game. Best non From Soulslike I've played.

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