JetiKnightNy gives his reasons on why he thinks the PS4.5 if true will not shatter the user base.
If you’ve followed PlayStation this year then there’s a good chance that you’ve heard quite a bit of chatter about the PS4.5, also known by its codename, the PlayStation Neo. Rumors about this new console began circulating earlier in the year when developers in the industry began talking about the next iteration of the PS4. This […]
I think it will release right when scorpo releases and it will be just as powerful.
Doubtful. There's been way to many leaks, the console obviously been in the works for some time. They aren't going to back track after pouring money int o it already.
If Sony wants to compete with Scorpio in terms of power, they'll do it with a true next-gen console update. This is merely a midgen boost. Think of it like the N3DS vs the 3ds
I don't expect some crazy huge boost from the console, but enough to help with performance of titles that would have been otherwise struggling.
I do think it's insane to be releasing three products this year given how much time is left, but it's very possible. I expect February the latest though
Agreed, assuming they are planning an early 2017 launch (which seems reasonable), a lot of the hardware would already have to have been finalized and put into production in order to meet their supply needs. Things like RAM, CPU speeds, etc can always be tweaked last minute, but the GPU has long since been decided. And I seriously doubt the Neo's GPU will push anywhere near 6 TFLOPS like the Scorpio is rumoured to.
It's releasing this year. There is no benefit to them passing up the holiday season. The console is what is and Sony isn't going to go back to the drawing board to match the Scorpio specs. It would be stupid for them not release it year. They have a much bigger advantage getting it out as early as possible.
Gonna bookmark this thread for the future 😂
Although I really can't see it coming out this year myself. It's such a hectic release schedule.
"There's been way to many leaks, the console obviously been in the works for some time."
not really, there hasn't been too much about the neo, and even then, the information that's out there could be obselete. and i'm also sure MS has been working on scorpio for some time, too. sony could have easily changed their plans based on the information about scorpio that was shown at E3, and decided to push back the release of neo until next year to allow them enough time to make any necessary adjustments to the API.
i'm skeptical of a 2016 release for neo, and i don't think that they would talk about it on september 7, then release it a month later. of course, i'm the first to admit that i could be horribly wrong, too. either way, we'll know exactly what's going to happen in less than two weeks.
1.8 teraflops to more than 4 teraflops is not just a small boost either though...that's quite a big difference and that by going by the leaks of course...it may not sound like a huge upgrade because ms is going nuts on their xb1 upgrade but rest assured ...the neo is no small upgrade
Nitrowolf2
actually those were supposedly old documents for neo so i wouldn't put too mich into leaks and sony's own eurpop CEO jim ryan said let's talk specs when we actually reveal neo
people want ps4 neo to have lesser specs so badly on this site. if sony were to say on september 7th ps4 will be 8TF than some of you all will go nuts LOL
personally really want to see that
Why not? Don't you think they might feel that losing some of what they put into it might be worth it in the long run?
Wasting money to not lose market and/or mindshare is not wasting money.
We don't know how things are going to go. Some people are thinking a PS5 is in 2018? Well, what if it isn't until 2020 or beyond? We don't even know if there will be generations any more. There may not be a 'true next-gen console update'. We might just be getting these updates every few years. Will a PS5 really be any different than a Neo, except for maybe a different OS? Is that what makes a 'full fledged' update now? Because in reality, Scorpio/Neo are taking up the gains that used to go to a new full fledged update, and so what PS5 is to NEO is basically the same as Neo to PS4.
In any case, if you have the opportunity to neutralize a competitors, competitive advantage by 'wasting' a little money, thus keeping your product more relevant, that is a valid strategy they probably are considering.
They might release Neo this year, they might release it early next year, or they might have had their plans altered by Scorpio and if they altered their plans who knows when it launches.
What I do know is, that all signs point to knowing more, if not having some definitive answers around Sept. 7.
If they are using the same architecture, it would indeed be easier to upgrade it. 4.2 TFlops is not that far behind 6 TFlops. They're both AMD, so it's not like either have the Nvidia advantage, nor Intel advantage over each other.
What's to say they can't upgrade a few key parts tho like hard drives and the techier stuff that's waay over my head... Teraflops? Sure if they've gone into production it might be too late but as we all now know they are clearly busy producing slims at the moment, I still don't see why it couldn't launch in October alongside VR but chances are with VR and slims launching they'll give them a good 6 months to sell a few and then bang Neo out after NX around March launch... Sometime before Scorpio in Oct/Nov.... Aug/Sep/ Early October latest for Neo gonna be an expensive year or so
For whats it's worth l fully expect neo to be released this year, and the reason is simple VR, Sony are making a big push into the VR arena and is it really a coincidence that PSVR previously Morpheus and the new PS called Neo?
The two were made to compliment each other, Sony wants to showcase VR and Neo will help them do that.
I still think it will come out this year but it might be smarter to release it next spring around NX. Sony has psvr and the new slim to sell. Having 3 new products is overkill. This way Sony can double dip. Get people to buy psvr and then next year show the power of Neo and get even more into psvr and trade up.
If Neo is coming next year it will get exclusive games in a couple of years. There is no way Sony will come out with the ps4 Neo to only be out for a couple of years and then the ps5 comes out? Sorry but that ain't gonna happen.
I am not positive when Neo will release but we should could consider this piece of oft forgotten information. Many detractors of the Neo have used the now infamous Giant Bomb documentation to attack the Neo's technical specs. Specifically the all important Teraflops - as if speed ever led to a console war victory. In those same leaked documents were Sony directives stating that all games release for the PS4 in September 2016 are required to have a Neo compatibility patch and all titles released from October on must be Neo ready out of the box. If the Neo is releasing next year, why require October releases to be Neo ready out of the box? If Neo isn't releasing until next year as some suppose, why not allow devs extra months of optimization?
Sorry but those leaked documents point to Neo releasing this year. In October to be specific. Or else you must discount the documents entirely, including the TFlop values.
And that may be just the case based on an interview with Jim Ryan.
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/vi...
Breakdown here: http://www.gameondaily.com/...
@morganfell
"I am not positive when Neo will release but we should could consider this piece of oft forgotten information. Many detractors of the Neo have used the now infamous Giant Bomb documentation to attack the Neo's technical specs. Specifically the all important Teraflops - as if speed ever led to a console war victory."
then stop getting yourself involved in the console war. be happy with what the ps4 neo offers (im sure it will be a great product and sell very well), stop tyrying to downplay anything about project scorpio and be done with it. because the more you talk about scorpio in a non-positive manner its damage control on your part.
@morganfell
"release for the PS4 in September 2016 are required to have a Neo compatibility patch and all titles released from October on must be Neo ready out of the box. If the Neo is releasing next year, why require October releases to be Neo ready out of the box? If Neo isn't releasing until next year as some suppose, why not allow devs extra months of optimization? "
excellent point,
You fail to comprehend matters moldy. Tsk tsk. I am not getting myself involved in a console war. It exists whether I am a part of it or regardless if I even know who makes which console.
Maybe you think people can be disconnected from certain events if they poke their head in the sand like an ostrich or put their fingers in their ears and run around the room screaming la la la. Reality does not function in such a manner. Perhaps one day you will realize this.
The only mention I made of a war was that speed does not win one. What does that have to do with my involving myself in such a manner? How is that involving myself in a war? Did you even bother to read what you have written? How about what I wrote? Did I use too many big words? Did you read some other post when you responded to mine? There is a great disconnect in what I wrote and what you think you read.
You obviously suffer from a persecution complex. I am not talking about Scorpio except in the most indirect manner and even then only as relates to Ryan's remark. A remark that points not to Scorpio but to the veracity of the supposedly leaked documentation on Neo. It isn't rocket surgery...
I am discussing the possibility of when Neo is launching. The dates bear direct relevance to the supposed documentation from Giant Bomb. After demonstrating how such documentation might point to an October launch I also had to be fair and show how ALL of the documentation might be in error. The only news which might indicate such fault is the Ryan interview. My point being if he is correct about the documentation being in error regarding NEO'S SPEED (Not Scorpio but NEO'S) then that would also mean the indicated October launch is also in error. It is a sophomoric deduction yet remains beyond your comprehension. Is such a principle so difficult for you to grasp? I am fine with any speed Neo provides and do not care what Microsoft offers over a year from now. You are the one that enters one Sony thread after another sowing discord. You are the one whose very actions show you cannot be satisfied with the company your words have clearly indicated you support to the nth degree.
@morganfell
"You fail to comprehend matters moldy."
you will see that what i say will come to true.
"Maybe you think people can be disconnected from certain events if they poke their head in the sand like an ostrich or put their fingers in their ears and run around the room screaming la la la. Reality does not function in such a manner. Perhaps one day you will realize this."
who said anything about being an ostrich? we all know what lies ahead and what input we can expect from you.
"The only mention I made of a war was that speed does not win one."
i never said otherwise, i said it would be in your besty interest to enjoy what sony offers while trying limit yourself to comment about scorpio because again we all know what lies ahead regarding your input. go ahead and disagree but bookmark this and you will see i will be right.
"What does that have to do with my involving myself in such a manner? How is that involving myself in a war? Did you even bother to read what you have written? How about what I wrote? Did I use too many big words? Did you read some other post when you responded to mine? There is a great disconnect in what I wrote and what you think you read."
looks like the reaction i was expecting, again you are proving my point.
"You obviously suffer from a persecution complex."
i don't think you even know what the real meaning is. we are talking about videogames.
"I am not talking about Scorpio except in the most indirect manner and even then only as relates to Ryan's remark. A remark that points not to Scorpio but to the veracity of the supposedly leaked documentation on Neo. It isn't rocket surgery..."
you seem to type a lot without really saying much.
" I am fine with any speed Neo provides and do not care what Microsoft offers over a year from now."
actually you do care, which is what i have been saying all along. it is not in your nature to simply enjoy what the ps4 offers without downplaying scorpio. prove me wrong. i can live in a world where ps4 neo thrives and does well and also project scorpio doing well. you can't, it really is that simple.
"You are the one that enters one Sony thread after another sowing discord. You are the one whose very actions show you cannot be satisfied with the company your words have clearly indicated you support to the nth degree."
deflect all you want, we all know what to expect.
Yeah, the best evidence we have points to Neo releasing this year. Which I'm happy about, since I want to play upcoming games like Nioh and The Last Guardian at their best. I don't want to have to wait until next year.
While I agree with you, the back tracking may not be as extensive as one might assume...particularly if it's using the same technology.
Only way Sony would actually expend effort to do so is if they are concerned Scorpio would cannibalize their sales of Neo, or put their overall position in the console market in peril, and that's hard to determine with MS only releasing target specs. In any case, if Sony does indeed decide to do so, they'd likely be coming up with a comparable system, at roughly the same price....so long as all other factors are equal.
@Neutral
If Sony comes in over the 4TF mark, say 5.something which puts it closer to MS specs, or comes in at 6TF, or for some reason comes in at the highly unlikely 8TF mark, then the narrative will just shift to MS will just release a more powerful console since they have a whole year to work on it. There could be merit to that as well, but if for some reason it's a reasonably priced 5.something machine, and MS comes in at 7+ TF, then Sony will be in a strong enough position with the year head start to not worry about it so much.
MS has more to do with their brand than just release a more powerful console. They're making headway with game selection overall, now they just have to work on getting that selection to resonate better with the consumer, and more importantly, work on making it a more global brand instead of just focusing on specific larger markets. That is of course if MS is looking to actually beat Sony, and not just gain more out of the markets they currently reside in.
@Overall topic
I think this year could be possible, or early next. Sept. 7 would have no other purpose than to announce a new console. There is no reason for a PSVR dedicated event, and given the hype going, it'd be terribly disappointing if they don't announce the Neo. Although I suppose they have a few weeks to dial that down like they did before E3 with Neo.
Replies(5)well if u put 2 and 2 together ( and by that i mean a) sony qucikly removing PS4 neo out of E3 when MS Scorpio rumors arrived with 6 TFLOPS vs NEO 4,2 TFLOPS + b ) seeing this guy honestly laughing his as.. off = SONY is not dumb, they are playing this chess game with Microsoft for a long time, and since 2013 they are pretty much wining every single time, usually by tricking MS into underestimating them :) ( PS4 4GB RAM rumor says hello )
- SONY has thrown a bite out there with 4,2 TFLOPS to make MS react, now when they did, and SONY knows specifically its gonna be 6TFLOPS, all they have to do now is bringing 6,2 TFLOPS NEO and posting Jim Ryans laughing gif all over internet :) checkmate
SONY are very clever, by previously confirming yet not showing NEO at E3 and by concentrating on a whole bunch of amazing looking games instead, they kind of forced MS hand into revealing details of Scorpio....yet SONY very much stole the show with the games they displayed...people want to see games, amazing games and right now...not new hardware, not just yet. SONY are really on top of the game...but I think both camps will be testing each other over the coming months on this new hardware.
for all we know, the scorpio is a minimum of 6tf. It could be more but it wont be any less. MS has plenty of time to revise if needed.
this would mean that Sony would of had to backtrack on any chipset agreement that they may of had with AMD. Somebody would have to eat the cost of all these chips being mass produced...
Adding something is one thing, but changing up a part completely is another.
Neo is rumored to be using Jaguar still, where Scorpio is rumored to be using AMD's next gen chip set.
You're revising history. MS wanted 8GB of DDR3 + eSRAM from the beginning. Sony gambled with 4GB of GDDR5 and it was increased a result of developer feedback. Sony was also fortunate that there were higher density GDDR5 chip in time for the mass manufacturing. Unless of course all of these stories are elaborate tricks that Sony played.
https://www.vg247.com/2014/...
"Murakami stated that the PS4’s increase from 4GB to 8GB of RAM was approved during that line of questioning. He said that the Knack team were involved in those hardware discussions and asked for the RAM increase after learning that Sony was going to rest on 4GB. The company agreed, and that’s effectively why the console is the way it is today. It was quite a simple decision, it seems."
Sony is SO on top of their game that they intentionally leaked the PS4 Slim to actual people and then send copyright to YouTube and anyone mentioning PS4 Slim. They're certainly on top of their game.
No Darth. Scorpio is a minimum spec of 5.5 Tflops. If Sony wants to match it they easily could do so. The ram spec could also be matched simply by switching to gddr5x.
Sony loses nothing by launching in late 2017. Slim will be on the market keeping sales up until then.
Microsoft would have a whole year to come out with the more powerful console
Point by point, i couldnt disagree more with this article. At the latest, and still doubtfull, i expect a February-March release
1. Considering that the rumors were true and was confirmed to be in production earlier this year, the whole incentive thing is kind of a moot point because they were clearly already considering the release of the console. You seem to be going by the impression that something that was already in production could easily be delayed by another year just because Skorpio is releasing until Holiday 2017, not to mention that if Skorpio does end up being that more powerful, they have all the incentive they need, in trying to capitalize as much market as possible during their whole year alone in the market.
2. Im pretty sure that their whole marketing campaign is already crafted and we could see quite the marketing blowout in the 2-2.5 months before release starting on the day of the reveal. Its not like when a console is announced 1 year before release most of the marketing doesnt end up being in the couple of months prior to the release.
3.While true that they would be competing against themselves in the market during the holiday, it is looking pretty likely that the hardware in the regular PS4 isnt really gonna cut it for VR in the long term. The NEO might actually be the boost that the console needs to properly compete in the VR space. Its still probably considered a pretty niche market by itself, so probably pushing consoles would take priority anyway.
4. You are "insane" if you think Sony originally considered a launch in Holiday 2016 or Early 2017 and they would still have time to actually adjust most of their plans after the Skorpio reveal. Pre production, contracts and manufacturing of components happens a lot of months before the release of a console. They might be able to push some higher clocks on the processors, maybe try to alter something like the RAM, but most of the specs should have been pretty nailed down by the time Skorpio was shown.
5. I dont really see how the Slim would be relevant, regardless of when NEO is released, there were always going to be 2 SKUs, one the mainstream/regular PS4 and the Elite/more expensive NEO. The Slim coupled with a small price drop would only cement that position.
Extra point: Doing an early 2017 release would mean:
- Losing the holidays
- "Competing" against the NX (they might end being very different consoles, but it would still have to share the attention)
- Less time alone in the market before a more powerful competitor comes along.
Nope, it's releasing this year, my guess: mid to late October.
Just look at the Slim, if they wanted to wait until end-2017 they would've added an UHD bluray and 4k upscaling to the Slim as well, they would be stupid to let MS have the only console on the market with UHD/4k...
As for the specs, well, we got early specs leaked to us, when people say they didn't have enough time since E3 to up them 'cos of the Scorpio, don't forget that the Scorpio specs had been leaked way before E3 as well and I wouldn't be surprised when both MS and Sony receive way better leaked info way sooner than we do...
Self entitled millennials won't agree with a comment like that, they will demand Sony brings it out early only for them to pay stupid prices and cry later on about why it's not powerful enough.
I do agree though it's going to be a near end 2017 or a 2018 date.
No sense of reality. It would cost Sony BILLIONS to go back to the drawing board. I'm afraid the fanBOY inside of you froze your brain. Wishful speculation, not even in the same galaxy as reason.
Wouldn't really cost that much at all lmao. After all if they are using the RX 480 then they can just look for ways to OC on the GPU. Problem will be the scalability of the CPU.
Lol. They probably didn't even spend a billion developing the PS4. Even half that would be surprising. This isn't like the PS3 where they designed an entirely new computing architecture from the ground up, and even that didn't come up to the plural billions. It's fairly stock design outside the custom processor design, which is something AMD itself designed in conjunction with Sony.
Just because Sony spent a lot on the CELL, and MS spent a lot on the Kinect 2, doesn't mean those kinds of things are the norm.
That's highly unlikely. Money has been spent and it may be too late. I think Microsoft trumped Sony with the Scorpio announcement & have them reeling. They're kinda stuck. The word is Devs asked Sony if they can do better & get somewhat close to Scorpio which is why it's been silent. And it doesn't look like they were even on the radar. Even overclocking the Neo to burn levels or firmware advances wasn't even close. To come up with a whole new piece of tech would cost millions of dollars and waste millions of dollars on what you've done thus far with Neo. All thrown away. This stuff is all done way in advance. They're in a tough position now because they need the Neo to push PSVR or else that busts, PSVR running on a standard PS4 is base level, not so hot performance. So they can't just scrap the Neo. They need to release a better console. Sony is almost better off just scrapping the Neo in order to compete performance wise (even though it would be a massive blow), or just accept the fact that MS got one over on you, release it as is & look to the future. But Sony is no doubt in a really tough spot. The Scorpio as it stands would blow anything they can muster on the Neo out of the water. Game wise & VR wise. Let's not forget the Scorpio will no doubt support VR, whether it be Vive or Oculus or both. In comparison Sony will look very playschool & weak. You can try to find the silver lining but there just is none. This is not good for Sony either way.
I'll laugh if it does release this year now :p
Don't really care when it releases as I doubt I'll get, but I'm just interested in the specs and if it looks the same as Base ps4.
Lol i guess you missed when sony said it will be more powerful than the OG ps4 which the slim is not
nah, there's nothing that indicates that the neo is the slim. house has already stated that the neo is a premium version of the PS4, the slim (as we know it to be right now) is just a slimmer version of the current PS4.
We know nothing. All we know is speculation. The Slim could be like the xbox slim, able to output video in 4K for blurays but not games. Everything about the NEO is wild speculation.
that's why I said "as we know it to be right now." we'll know whether the slim outputs 4K video in a few weeks. however, i think it's pretty safe to say that the slim is not the neo.
Where have you been lately? The Neo isn't the slim. Sony already confirmed the Neo is a higher end ps4 and the slim is a downgraded ps4 basically not a upgrade. Also there is a PlayStation event for the new console. They wouldn't have a PlayStation event for a slim console.... http://www.polygon.com/2016...
I think it'll release this year. I thought Sony was getting into the habit of announcing new releases with its availability within weeks or a short time after. Plus if the Neo is meant to compliment the PSVR then a 2016 release makes sense.
Yes Andrew House said that:
“The dynamics of the tech industry are such that there’s a much heavier emphasis on immediate gratification than there was. A lot of that is to do with how Apple has very cleverly and elegantly managed the ‘available now’ approach."
source: https://www.theguardian.com...
So I agree, I think Sony will anounce Neo next month and probably release it about a month after the anouncement. The price for the slim hasn't been revealed yet but I wouldn't be surprised by a 249 PS4 slim and a 399 PS4 Neo. Seems like a perfect strategy to go into this holiday season.
Edit @Aenea: Yes I know the slim is already being shipped (that's where the leak came from) and will be released soon after the anouncement.
1) it's not meant to complement PSVR, people should stop thinking that
2) the Slim is already in warehouses at the moment, it looks more than likely they will announce it to be available in shops within a week after announcing it
Yeah maybe "officially" it's not meant to compliment the PSVR, but you know for damn sure that Sony is going to show off how much better the VR runs with the Neo over the base model and at a potential of 4K resolution too. They need to create incentives to sell it afterall.
At the same time, Neo is purportedly going to be an October release based on the Neo requirement in the leaked documents. While that date could obviously be pushed back, assuming an October release, it's still only a few weeks.:)
Yes.
Sony has in the past released revisions merely weeks after announcement, I don't see them changing that. I see Neo and Slim releasing this fall.
I agree...I mean we've already seen how Sony in particular has the ability to keep its hardware production under wraps considering no one knew of the Slim's existence just a week ago & now that console will be hitting shelves w/in the month. So at the very least it is feasible that Neo could release during the Holidays, & I agree that if Neo enhances PSVR or is meant to compliment it in any way, they will need to at least fully outline the system & preferably release it in order to make consumers aware before they pick up their PSVR preorders. Even if Neo doesn't release until next year sometime, Sony will need to fully outline their system as opposed to MS' strategy of simply acknowledging its existence & throwing out lofty borderline arrogant claims like "Most Powerful Console Ever" before the thing even has any specs locked down & before dev kits even exist in the wild.
Also, the article says that Sony has no real reason to launch before Scorpio but I highly disagree w/ that idea. If MS pulls a rabbit out of the hat or eats a large loss & gets the Scorpio in price parity w/ Neo, if Neo is underpowered compared to it, and if they release in the same timeframe, Sony will have essentially given this round over to MS. Alternatively, if Sony goes first, they would be the first to actually show & prove what this extra power is capable of w/ true gameplay, they can have wiggle room to be able to drop the price by the time Scorpio releases, and the devs will have had a year head start on taking advantage of the hardware, meaning that Neo games could potentially look on par or better than Scorpio at launch to the naked eye on a 1080p screen even w/ the 2 tflops advantage.
I won't be a day one buyer myself because I typically spend my money on friends & family during the holidays, but either way I'm really pumped to watch the Meeting & see what all is announced. Hoping the RDR rumors prove true & that a handful of games like GoW make an appearance, some cool new features announced, and the official unveiling of the Slim & Neo.
But power has never sold consoles like seriously we have three previous generations to prove that. The ps1 outsold the more powerful n64, the ps2 outsold the more powerful GameCube and og Xbox and the wii outsold the more powerful ps3 and 360. Seriously people who think Scorpio is going to sell just because of "da powah" are in for a rude awakening. I have an x1 right now and I'll tell you I have no desire to get a Scorpio and you know why because Microsoft haven't been delivering the games which is one of the big reasons people buy consoles and with their "exclusives" now going to pc it's almost pointless to own one. So they can have all the power in the world but if they don't have the games no one is going to want to buy the system.
@jb227
"I agree...I mean we've already seen how Sony in particular has the ability to keep its hardware production under wraps considering no one knew of the Slim's existence just a week ago & now that console will be hitting shelves w/in the month."
the system is out in the wild, sony is trying to bring down every uploaded video of the system being powered on and everything and you say they they have the ability to keep things under wraps? lol, they might as well just announce it now.
@darkknightmare
I fully agree...I may not have been clear, but I was just saying that power matters mainly when price is equal or lesser. That was one of the reasons why PS4 was such a success, the core fanbase that love their exclusives were always going to grab one, but Sony grabbed the general console gaming market as well when they released a more powerful box at a $100 cheaper price point.
Grabbing that lion's share of the market typically boils down to release window, brand recognition, price & power. Last gen was a pretty great example of the different tactics, you had Xbox 360 which was the hare, first to market & grabbing big sales for its release frame before starting to coast towards the end of the cycle, then you had the tortoise of the PS3 starting w/ a handicap but going on to really close that gap on the strength of its hardware, software & features like BD, then you had the Wii which put up those gargantuan numbers most likely down to its unique motion feature & cheapest price point. Those 3 systems each uniquely illustrated the different advantages any player can have in the console space.
I was just saying that if Sony releases the Neo now in tandem w/ PSVR or shortly after in tandem w/ Horizon that they've kinda got a perfect storm of advantages, beating Scorpio to the market by a year & NX to the market by a few months, having a unique feature available like PSVR (itself the lowest priced true gaming VR solution on the market), the brand recognition momentum of the PS4 being the biggest console on the shelves, then all of these amazing looking exclusives like Horizon on the....um.....horizon. If they hold off to launch w/ Scorpio it may just be a bit tougher race for them if history is any indication & if MS pulls some drastic moves (buying up big name exclusives, selling their hardware at a deep loss, etc.)
I'm sticking with my nathan drake collection ps4. I don't have a 4k tv and don't plan on getting one for some time. If god of war, spiderman, and horizon were running on the original ps4's then I don't need to upgrade for some time. Probably wait for the ps5.
Even without a 4K TV, you'd still be able to get higher graphic settings and frame rates, the neo would still be worth it. If that matters to you.
4ktv's are cheap, thus whenever you need to buy your next TV, it should really be a 4ktv, unless you plan on getting the cheapest $150 HDTV you can find.
4ktv's have been as cheap as $249 for over the past 2 years (for 39 inches). You can routinely get them for $500-1000 now, with the ~$500 ones being 40-47 inches and 60 FPS.
4ktv prices are dropping far, far faster than 1080p did. Every year it's dropping like 3-4 years of 1080p prices.
Even without 4k, you'd likely see better/solid framerates with a potential for resolution and IQ boost on newer games.
for me personally, I dont see value in 4k tv right now
I dont watch tv at all anymore and if games will run on my ps4 I dont need to get code name: neo
maybe when ps5 comes out
peewee
Costco is selling a 55" Vizio 4k 2016 for 479.99 after instant coupon. Or an LG for $100 more.
Exactly...i'm actually relieved the neos not dropping right now. With all the games coming out and not to mention the vr dropping soon, its already too much money to spend this year.
The date is set. On September 7th, we will see what Sony's been up to with PlayStation Neo - we should finally get some idea of the firm's vision for the new hardware, details on software support, and if we're really lucky, we should see live demos of Neo titles courtesy of Sony first party studios, amongst others. But despite some pretty solid leaks, speculation continues on the actual Neo spec. Could Sony pull a surprise out of the bag and reveal a more powerful unit at the upcoming PlayStation Meeting?
jumping both the gun and the shark
the perfect description to this saga
once Sony shows the big franchises like CoD, Battlefield, FF15, Mafia3, Skyrim(yep!) ruining Neo mode people will have a hard time holding off a full year just for little bit more performance
safe to say Witcher3, Uncharted4, Bloodborn ..etc will be getting Neo Patches.
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They might just rebuy it on Scorpio. Waiting a full year for a little upgrade and be spoiled with the game is not a good Idea.
One thing Eurogamer is forgetting is yield. Two cores on Neo is deactivated. This is due to manufacturing yield. Sony technically can unlock one or two of those at cost of lower yield. Then work on getting better yield later on...
@XMarktheSpot
1. Comparison of 720/900P vs 1080P with better post processing is not the same as some zoomed in picture of AA. Damage control much?
2. PS4 had 40 percent power advantage. Which was significant.
Are you trying to damage control that 40 % power gap is not important? But turn around and say 50% rumored boost is some how significant?
Yet, your narrative/rhetoric is completely flipfloped.
@GameNameFame...
there would be a difference of more than 50% if MS if rumors are true that MS will be using Zen for Scorpio instead of the current Jaguar chipset.
and if MS is actually going 320mbps on the memory bandwith, that's pretty significant as well...
CPU doesn't stack with GPU, if they use ZEN its actually a bad thing for developers and will lead to losing games all together.
@game
You have no idea what ur talking about.
And the ps4 did not have a 40% total advantage over xb1 thats just lies or truth for stupid people..
@DarkWolf_NZ
40% refers to tflop.
But it also had far better ram and 4 times more ACE. Which means it would destroy X1 in DX12 games.
A little bit more performance? Since when was an extra 2TF little, like shoving the Ps4 into the Neo to create the Scorpio. I remember at the start of this gen for the longest time on any comparision between muliplat games Sony Fanboys would scream to the roof, "why buy the inferior Xbox version" over little things like zoomed in pictures of AA? So why get the inferior mutiplates on the PS? That kind of talk has died down a lot i will admit but the point remains the same
It's 1.8TF, yes, that's a complete PS4, you're right in that regard.
But weren't Xbox fans saying that it didn't matter much that the PS4 was 40% faster? Well, now the Scorpio might be 40% faster than the PS4 Neo, big whoop.
I've never bought consoles for the perceived power of it, am just a PlayStation person since I prefer it over MS, not that MS makes bad consoles or anything, just a preference.
What's gunna be inferior tho? Both can run 4k 30, 1080 60....tho there is a rumor that sony has been working on 2 neos...a 5.5 tf and a 4.8...of they launch a 5.5 this convo will be worthless if tge launch a 4.8 that leaves the scorpio with 1.2 more tf...but what will it bring? If it's not running 4k 60 then what will it bring? 6tf isn't enough to make 4k 60 on AAA games. And in all honesty I'd rather have 1080 60 than 4k 30.
Lastly what will ms bring as far as games are concerned? They have the smallest 1st party devs line up and the smallest 1st party games line up and they are intent to recycle the same games over and over. What good is power without games...or new experiances? Halo, gears, forza are good games but I don't want to spend and extra 500 bucks to see the same games looking prettier. They need to bring more games to the table.
@ King Theres more to a game then 4k/1080p and 60fps. IQ, physics, AI, amount of AI, AA, etc. So the Scorpio could have better IQ, why wpuldnt it seeing on how it has an extra 2 TF
trash:
It doesn't matter if the spec difference has a markedly big or small impact on games or visual fidelity. The only thing that matters is consumers perception of if it will, and the simple answer is:
http://static1.gamespot.com...
I want to add though that, as Eurogamer article highlights, it is not the GPU bump that is significant, it is actually the CPU and memory bandwidth bump in performance that will be the most important part in driving the games.
@Xmark
Which one of the boost do you think is more noticeable?
-Upgrade from 0.1 tflop to 0.6 tflop.
-Upgrade from 100 tflop to 102 tflop.
Also, arent you fanboys one who keep suggesting that technology has advanced so much that your eyes wont notice better graphics/resolution due to dimnishing return??
@ GameName Of course the worst of the worst comes out might as well just change your name to DigitalRaptor cause you two are among the worst. But fine lets get specific. Would you rather have a console with 1.8TF (the almighty PS4) or 1.3(Xbox). Now how about would you rather have a console with presumably 4TF(almighty PS Neo) or a console with presumably 6TF( A console with both almighty** to make a BEAST)? The choice is yours, and nobody will really care what you pick
Edit #2: And to answer your question obviously the 100-102 TF would be more noticable. Your gaining an extra 2 TF on top of 100, where as the other is just .5 under 1 TF of power
There are several factors at play here.
1. Sony will probably have a 12 month head start. This is very important. If you're launching a machine that will have inferior specs, then get it out ages before it's rival.
2. It'll almost certainly be quite a bit cheaper. The most expensive single part in a console is usually it's silicon which will naturally be smaller in Neo. By the time Scorpio launches, Sony will likely be capable of undercutting it's price considerably.
3. Because they have a 12 month head start, that means a solid userbase before Scorpio is even out the door. Sony have more PlayStation gamers ready to go straight onto their new machine with their existing titles and uprated versions. We know PS4 already has a much larger market share that Xbox One, which means it is likely to have a larger amount of people willing to upgrade and take their existing games collection.
4. It's unclear as to what performance each console is really targeting here. 1080p is still by far, far and faaaar away the most popular HDTV resolution in terms of existing userbase. Sony might only think developers should improve their graphics quality, not just pump the resolution. In essence, the market might not be ready for 4K consoles.
Scorpio might be more likely to target higher resolution games, but without a massive 4K market, the extra performance will be mostly lost on the majority of people. Let's say a game is 4K (3840 x 2160) on Scorpio native, but 'only' 3072 x 1728 on Neo. This would be a sufficient reduction so that the difference in performance or visuals on anything less than a 4K display would be totally indiscernable.
But even on a 4K display we can also point to diminishing returns. 3072 x 1728 is still a HUGE resolution for games played on a TV typically from 6+ feet away. The difference between 1600 x 900 and 1920 x 1080 can be seen because both are still modest resolutions. But picking out differences as the resolutions go stratospheric becomes harder and harder, even for those with the most eagle of eyes.
i think Sony still have the edge here. Microsoft will have better hardware, but it'll be much later and more expensive. With a smaller existing market to upgrade to it, and a still (relatively) small 4K userbase even by the end of 2017.
We'll see though I guess? Just my two cents.
@XMarkstheSpot
Answer to your question.
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If you are asking me spec question, I will pick stronger spec if cost and everything else are same. (in this example, Scorpio). But exclusives matters, and based on the fact that Xbox has no exclusives since all are going to PC, it makes the case weaker. We will see if there are any next year.
Nice attempt at not answering my question and trying to side track it.
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Now I know you are purely blinded fanboy... But seriously?
Out of the two options, you honestly think Option 2 will provide more noticeable effect?
-Upgrade from 0.1 tflop to 0.6 tflop.
-Upgrade from 100 tflop to 102 tflop.
LOL. Actually we can prove this somewhat by comparing (GT 420 vs 480 and 970 vs 980). I cant even believe I have to actually show you real life example of this. Either way, it proves Option #1 shows bigger boost. BY FAR, it is 600% power boost where as option 2 is 2% boost.
Its funny. I thought Xbox fanboys said that Xbox One has so much secret sauce including cloud, it doesnt need upgrade? Lawl. This just goes to show how people like you are in desperate denial. I bet you are going to damage control on how Xbox losing all its exclusive is somehow ok and has no effect on value of Xbox.
@ GameName Okay thats fair, option 1 will provide more "noticeable difference" i guess on paper but I dont really see what 600% of 0.1 to .6 TF is really going to show? What kinda of power can .6TF really muster compared to 2 TF(even though if you had a 102TF card it would not matter anys, a 4TF to 6TF is a better comparison)? What type of shadows can that create, physics, IQ? How much juice can you get out of .6 compared to 2TF, especially if we are comparing these so called PC video cards which we both know you really cant compare PC parts to consoles either because you get more out of consoles then you ever will PC, look at uncharted 4 on a 1.8 TF system. Good luck trying to get that out of a 1.8TF PC with the same quality settings. I mean Id rather have to extra 2TF then .6(But thats just me). As for the "lost exclusives" hardly anybody cares unless you live on this site. I know I dont. I game on console so anybody who games on console only all of those "lost Xbox" exclusives are still exclusive, cause you cant play them on another console, Idk why that is so hard to grasp to many people on this site. You going to buy No Mans Sky on PC? I know I wont, especially with the problems it has now, and plenty of other PCS games in general have. Im sure you bought it on PS4, so lets no kid ourselves and think that because its on PC its going to effect the majority of console only gamers, which im willing to bet is in the millions. PC has more problems and is not as easy to set up, and you always have to mess around with settings to get what your PC can handle compared to plug in and play. Its just that simple. Plus the ecosystem of the consoles imo is better then PC. Id rather game on XBL or PSN then Steam, but that is a personal opinion.
It is a completely fair argument.
You do realize xbox 360 had 0.2 tflop.
So yea. Imagine if xbox 360 had 3 times more power. Difference would've been significant .
Not to mention that all the power difference will go towards resolution anyways.
So just like how x1 is 900p and ps4 is 1080p. Scorpio will have 2160p while Neo will have 1800p upscaled. Same physics, "more shadows" and etc. Just different resolution. So that Neo can free up resource to have same effects.
Argument isn't whether 0.5 tflop is less than 2 tflop. That is quite simple minded way of looking at it.
It is whether 0.1 to 0.6 tflop upgrade is more visible upgrade than 100 to 102 tflop.
Speaking of simple-minded. You really have no idea how PC works now. Do you? It really became extremely easy and plug and play. It's so funny how you desperately want to believe otherwise
@ Game Dude there is no way in hell gaming on a PC is as easy plug in and play then console, idk what youre smoking but I want it. Between needing to make sure your CPU usage is not 100% and crashes your game or lags it out and stutters the frames, the heat of your computer, overclocking(Doubt the casual would do that), upgrading drivers, upgrading internal PC parts, anti virus software, needing to screw around with graphic options on pretty much every game to make sure it runs "stable"(unlike console where you put it in and you know youll be able to play it), disk defragin (Because we all know after some use PCs get slow and run sluggish as hell, something you dont have to worry about consoles, you can play those for years and still have the same performance), overall maintenance on a PC over the course of say 2 years is not as simple as console. Stuff like that may not be "hard" to people who use computers but no way in hell is it easier then console, its not convenient at all, the point of consoles. Plus you can bring your console over your friends house, well you could bring your PC but who the hell lugs that(Which we will assume is a full tower if this is a gaming PC after all) and the monitor and keyboard/ mouse around. People usually just buy a laptop, and unless your willing to toss some cash, that laptop is going to be pathetic at gaming. And all I originally stated that its not a "little gain" in performance to NewMonday above. 2 TF is some serious power for consoles. If the Xbox 360 was 0.2 you said? And the PS4 is 1.8, and what they have accomplished with just that.. an extra 2 TF could be put to some good use imo. I also dont know how you know all the power difference will go to resolution when say both games can handle 1080p 60fps at say 4TF, well lets see what do we do with that other 2 TF? Do we up the resolution? Doubt it, id put it into particle effects, IQ, AA, shaders etc. As a developer thats what i would do if I was aiming for at least 1080p 60fps.
The PS4 was .5TF more powerful than the Xbox One at launch and that made quite a difference in regards to the stable resolutions of multi-plat games, this fact has been brought up time and time again by die hard Sony fans as a major selling point over the X1.
Now the Xbox Scorpio has a 1.8TF advantage over the (rumoured) Neo specs, this is a huge amount of extra power, so it's not the same as thinking "oh, I don't wanna wait out for the little extra boost, I'll get the neo now" of course, if you just want Sony exclusives - get the Neo! But don't be naive and believe that the Scorpio just has a bit more power, it's a lot more!
@XMarkstheSpot
"make sure your CPU usage is not 100% and crashes your game or lags it out and stutters the frames, the heat of your computer, overclocking(Doubt the casual would do that), upgrading drivers, "
Dude. Are you for real? You are exact type of imbecile that PC gamers make fun of.
"needing to screw around with graphic options "
Nope. They now have preoptimization to your spec option. Both Nvidia and AMD.
" disk defragin"
Ok. Now i know you are desperately grasping now. Seriously? Are you that desperate that Xbox lost all its exclusive? I've never defraged my PC and its fine. Stop making stupid optional PC stuff some mandatory difficult stuff.
"f the Xbox 360 was 0.2 you said? And the PS4 is 1.8, and what they have accomplished with just that.. an extra 2 TF could be put to some good use imo."
Except that is not the point of the argument. Argument is which upgrade is more noticeable.
Option 1. Upgrade from 0.1 tflop to 0.6 tflop.
OPtion 2. Upgrade from 100tflop to 102 tflop.
Nice changing the argument. By trying your hardest to change the argument, you just proved my point. Upgrade from Xbox One to PS4 is going to be just as noticeable as Neo to Scorpio.
So if you say you never noticed X1 to PS4 bump, then you shouldnt really notice Neo to Scorpio either
Aww game name is a little pansy. You message me and block me so i cant respond? You arent even a gamer, you care way to much about where games are played that you are not even buying then actually playing them and having fun. What a little kid, grow up.
Yeah, there will eventually be diminishing returns really because the jump from XBO & PS4 to Neo will be a bigger one than from Neo to Scorpio theoretically so Sony getting the Neo out a year early should put this one in the bag for them yet again. History typically shows the first to market ends up the leader when it comes to consoles & I don't expect anything different here in terms of these upgrades.
Also there is obviously a reason why Sony isn't releasing the finalized dev kits until the time of the show. If the leaked specs from earlier this year were fully accurate, those kits would've most likely went out at any random time. Sounds to me like there is something more or different to the final version of the Neo than what we assume. That could be for the better, that could be for the worse, but I highly doubt the Neo we end up with is exactly the same as the Neo initially outlined.
jb227
WRONG!!!
if MS are goin Zen Chipset (over the current Jaguar chip) all cpu bound games will have NO issue running on Scorpio.
Zen + 320GB memory bandwith+rx480 (all theory of course, is signicantly more different that the current Xone One, PS4 and Neo... new architecture all together
Except that is exactly the thing that did Dreamcast in when Sony played the FUD game on Sega. Ironically, this is now MS playbook copied verbatim from Sony used against Sony! o_0
To top this off:
http://static1.gamespot.com...
Agreed, when Sony announces the Neo they will show off lots of games and will probably come out two weeks after the said announcement.
This article was pretty well researched to be honest.
But it's biggest fault in the premise, is also addressed in the text of the article. The specs increase it stipulates would be likely, and I'd have to agree they're on track given the nature of consoles, also shows such little gain in overall performance, that it's hardly worthwhile. On the downside, it would also mean that it'd increase manufacturing costs, which of course means more costs to the consumer, so it'd be a harder sell overall.
At this point, the specs are nailed down. They would have been nailed down pretty well when E3 happened, and MS showed the Scorpio, so there is really no way that Sony could make appreciable changes to the hardware in such a short time frame, since the units would have to be in production now for release this year....and I have to admit, the fact that there is no leaked manufacturing information is pretty impressive....but I digress.
Sony could make some small changes to boost things a bit without compromising what they had, much like they did with the memory, or MS did with the CPU in the X1, but anything done is likely not going to make the difference much more different compared to MS targeted 6TF machine. Then of course, whatever Sony could do, MS would have ample time to respond by boosting it's own specs, so it's ultimately pointless in the grand scheme of things, other than for Sony to have a bit of a stronger marketing position when it comes to those who gush on endlessly about specs and what constitutes a "beast".
About the best us potential customers can hope for is that the marginal changes that can be made, are made, so we get that little bit of extra power to maybe make things a bit better in the end experience. Beyond that, I don't think Sony is really that worried about Scorpio right now, because the PS4 is going strong, and they will have a pretty significant time on the market with a significantly more powerful console than the competition...or even their own stock PS4. That coupled with their own world wide brand recognition, and strong game portfolio, will only help stave off the MS marketing, which seems more about "most powerful console", as opposed to "best games"(which MS also tries to push but it doesn't really resonate with the consumer market.)
If rumors are true it's just not a little bit more performance, it is a lot more. It won't go unnoticed like xbox 1 vs ps4 it will be a massive difference.
Newmonday
Your comment is hilarious lmao did u run to every gamers house and ask if they have a 4k tv? At the end of the day, the scorpio is going to have the better looking games. Im sorry, Sony fd up if they're sticking with 4tf. They didn't find the perfect power point at all
30% not much to be game changer especially coming a full year late , going from 1800p to 4k needs 3m extra pixels, an extra 2tflops can only give you 2m max so Scorpio needs 7-8tflops simply not enough.
also remember 80% of the market don't have a 4K TV, so 1080p60fps will be a cap and
Neo will handle that comfortably.
lets just admit it Sony found the best balance point of price and performance again.
newmonday
thing is on this article anything positve towards the ps4 neo gets a lot of disagrees. just like we are to believe this site is pro playstation when daily bases hate/click bait articles are approved
when neo was leaked it was said by these same xbox fanboys that sony is doing wrong and leaving it's fan base behind. all of the sudden scorpio is the best thing ever. double standards
neo leaks could have been real, they could have been fake/old design. what's really stopping sony from releasing a more powerful console is beyond me. so ms can do it and sony can't? what if ps4 neo is 5.5TF(like neogaj rumored after e3) and has over 12 GB GDDR5 ram. than will waiting an extra year for .5TF worth it to gamers?
sony will have something big to show, if they were gonna show the 4TF ps4 neo they would have done it at e3.
i still think ps4 slim this fall and neo next fall is more likely to happen(ps4 slim to be over 3TF with HDR and 4k media player)
i just don't see sony handing the graphical advantage to ms anytime soon. i truly believe ps4 neo will be above 6TF and over 12GB ram with a much better CPU
but bottom line is i am just taking guesses. so believe the rumors if you want we don't have long to wait
what i don't understand is how sony can't or isn't allowed to change those specs just because something leaked
believe me once Neo games are shown gamers will forget about TFLOPS
something nobody talks about is that GCN architecture will jump from generation1 to generation4, improvements include better geometry, tessellation, shader engines, memory compression..etc
all that will make a bigger difference than expected.
a little naive to say "a little bit more performance" when we don't have any numbers or specs yet. It could end up being quite a bit more than just a little bit.
Regardless, the differences between the XB1 and PS4 this gen were enough for Sony fans to crap all over MS, so you may have to be prepared to take a little bit back if the Scorpio turns out to be more than a "little bit" more powerful.
I check PC benchmarks all the time, it will be better but still in the ballpark like PS4/X1, but coming a year late will do massive damage especially in a short console cycle, Scorp will not have enough time to establish itself before PS5 comes out, it will be PS2 vs Xbox all over again
I think they'll go with 4 tflops and Microsoft will end up with the 6 they announced
"Difference between X1 and PS4 is .53 tflops
Difference between Scorpio and the Neo is roughly 2 tflops"
.53 Tflops and roughly 2 huh? Shall we make that .53 and 1.8 instead?
The power difference percentage wise would be the same as between the PS4 and the X1, so no, I for one don't think it will matter all that much, just hope they will make sure we will have steady frame rates from now on, since let's be honest both PS4 and X1 have been struggling with some multiplat games...
even with the 40% PS4 advantage many games run the same resolution and frame rate.
also an important factor is that the Scorpio will be held back by the weak XB1, it has a much lower common denominator than Neo has with PS4
Scorpio devs must scale their games starting with only 1.3 TFLOPs and the infamous ESRAM bottleneck unless they re-work every game from the ground up
on the other hand Neo and Ps4 base are closer and architecture is practically compatible fully 1:1 leading to better high end optimization, so in the end PS4 Neo games could still perform better than Scorpio, match-up wins could be split from game to game and that will kill the supposed advantage of Scorpio.
The percentages are roughly the same, although in reverse, however the difference between ~.5TF and 2 TF is quite a bit.
I don't think it'll make that much a difference for multi-plat games, which will go more for parity, and not utilizing all that extra power available on the Scorpio, and the gains may not be perceptible by the end user if the resolution is kept at 1080/60, however, the chance that that extra power can be used for something appreciable is quite high on exclusives made for Scorpio/PC. Not that I feel MS studios can pull off the same kinds of amazing feats that some of Sony's 1st parties can on seemingly weak hardware, but MS studios can at least get more done without as much work giving quite a pretty experience, and overall, MS studios do make pretty good games overall.
I don't know how it will all play out with the consumer though. PS is just more recognizable and respected world wide, where MS tends to be focused on a couple of the bigger markets. Could end up where the two are neck and neck again like last gen, but I can't see MS drastically outselling Sony since MS itself said they're targeting the demanding gamer, who wants the best of the best hardware, and that tends to be a pretty small market in the grand scheme of things. But now I"m getting into marketing/consumer talk, and not so much power difference talk.
slacker:
You mean how developers went for parity this generation?
Let's face it, developers are getting increasingly better at dealing with the difference in performance that they will be able to take better advantage of it. Besides, it has never been about what an impact the extra computing resources actually make in games. It has always been about perception, thus we get this:
http://static1.gamespot.com...
If you want to talk about amazing feat, look at Forza, Halo, and Gears!
One word: A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!
I agree. The real question is: Will Sony make a console that will be capable of gaming in native 4k at a decent frame rate?
Geez, it is X Slim vs. Neo.
Sony is doing this wait to the last minute to announce, so why is it so hard to grasp that they might announce a console to compete with Scorpio?
We know nothing of neo spec until 9/7
Anything other is rumor.
There is even a rumor that the neo is 5.5 tf....but that's just as much a rumor at 4.2 or whatever.
Smh fuss over pillow talk lol
We know enough, to know that PS4K/Neo is weaker than Scorpio. We know that it is too late for Sony to change their specs, as confirmed here. We also know that MS knows this, and thus decided to release the Scorpio specs (that I might add, might be bumped further).
Everytime you play that game on PS4K/Neo (cause we know you are going to pick Sony no matter what!), you are going to remember that this Playstation version is the I-N-F-E-R-I-O-R version!
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Its too late for Sony to upgrade the Neo to compete with Scropio in terms of raw power.
Not True they can rename this neo the slim and then come out latee with a neo the far out paces the Scorpio. Well that's what I would do in this position
Then ps5, too much too soon. It'll blow up in not just Sonys face but the gaming industry as a whole will take a hit.
they can call it whatever they want neo slim doesn't change the fact it will be 4tflops. there is no question scorpio will end up being more powerful . but will people be able to hold off for nearly a year with multiplats looking better on neo. will be interesting. i think the thing that will be vital is the price point. if its cheap enough ps4 will just extend it lead in sales until the scorpio arrives
Nobody knows what the real specs are or the release date. This entire sideshow has been a little bit too much.
Its pretty much set, just about every developer working onn Neo software have confirmed with both Eurogamer and Kotaku that its specs are set in stone, We MIGHT get a 5TF PS4, but that seems really unlikely. Either way, I'm excited that it'll come this year
More importantly, will Sony have an upgrade plan for current PS4 owners? If not, sales of Neo will not be good. Afterall, consoles are supposed to be cheap. Why would most current PS4 owners buy a 2nd PS4 just for the Neo specs and then play the same games? I'll only trade-in my PS4 for a Neo upgrade. I will not buy a Neo if Sony doesn't have a trade-in/upgrade plan for current PS4 owners.
From the article, 'Creating two prospective designs would cost Sony a lot of money for very little return.'
Didnt AMD announce 3 custom chips and we now know none is for NX???
How is it too late? Maybe it is if it's releasing this year but leaked documents aren't always the end all be all as said in this article.
Because:
a) MS knows Sony can't change plans, hence why they announced Scorpio specs
b) Sony stopped their show and left 15 mins on the table scheduled for PS4K/Neo, but pulled it when they found out about Scorpio
c) Sony announced that they are going to sell 20 million consoles this fiscal year, which is impossible to do without a new console
d) PS4K/Neo parts are likely already in production, and has been for some time
Yeah, it isn't just leaked documents.... You can delay it, but all the other plans can't be changed on a whim without major cost, and disruption.
Wishful thinking, but one can dream.
Yup, indeed it is, and MS is too late with releasing their mid-gen update by a year...
And the fanbase did not jump because of power so it does not matter.
They jumped because at the reveal, it was the same old boring software lineup and here we are 3 years later and they have only released ryse, sunset overdrive, and quantum...
What Microsoft will need is an exclusive library that will sell the Scorpio... This would be a double edged sword. On one side, leaving behind the current console so quickly and showing consumers that they do not know what it takes to push a console, or they keep it as a third version updated console and hope consumers are only wanting power.
Sony can literally make a 4K current gen console and be fine. Just make sure that everything on the ps4 runs at 4K on the neo and done. With all the exclusives coming, no reason to compete with a more powerful console with a much slimmer exclusive software library that did not push sales on the current Xbox.
@bg116
Name those first party exclusives will you?
I beg. Without goalpost definitions.
I would love a good laugh.
Yes, I have wasted my money on the Xbox one,
The flip flopping? Like last gen sales mattered? Or like the comparisons mattered? Or like Microsoft even advertising where you get the best version? Like the power of the cloud.... Oh, wait, we lied. Here is a new console instead?
I truly hope that Microsoft thinks it power that failed them, because according to supply and demand, their software is not moving their hardware sooo...
Sony's PlayStation event in September has been confirmed. Here are four things we could see alongside the Neo reveal to get you hyped.
Can't wait to see what they have in store. Especially intrigued as to just how powerful the Neo is going to be in comparison to what Scorpio looks set to get too
I thinking a new controller. Not like super different but better battery life and so on.
Because by not officially announcing it they ensure people keep buying the current model. Look at what happened when Microsoft announced the OneS and Scorpio, sales of Xbox One decreased, because people don't want to be buying a new system when it will be rendered obsolete within the next 12 months.
No the US certainly isn't the whole world but the 'best selling console in the US' does not = 'sales of xbox one decreased'
