Playstation 3's XDR RAM explained

PS3 as we all know is powered by 256mb of GDDR3 RAM and 256mb of XDR at ultra fast speed of 3.2 ghz.The XDR RAM has a very low latency and is more efficient than contemporary PC RAMs

so what exactly is XDR RAM and why is it superior to conventional PC RAMs. Click on the video link to find out?

[Genesis5]

Any questions? Well at least now we know they didn't pull one of the shelf as was suggested by Brucie, from Bruce on games. The XDR RAM is designed specifically to run with the Cell.

[cahill]

How come that guy approves his crap at N4G. he has 0 technical knowledge. He knows nothing about PC/PS3/X360

as you can see in the video the XDR RAM alone is enough for all PS3 games

[gambare]

the problem was that the devs tried to work with it like a regular ram unit, that's why they failed, but now they are figuring that this ram is another kind of ram, not a regular memory buffer stock.

[pwnsause]

Bruce on Flames is an idiot and has no knowledge what so ever about Hardware.

[Utalkin2me]

I was laughing when i seen the guy eyes moving back and forth to read it from a q card or the teleprompter, Funny stuff.

[PimpHandStrong]

is a joke

he is up there with Major Nelsen!!

[MNicholas]

with the PS2's memory and it was because some developers figured out how to use it properly that we have games like GT4, Jak3, and God of War. Unfortunately Sony did a poor job supporting developers (most of whom were used to traditional PC architecture and nothing else) with this new paradigm. This is where Microsoft did a superb job. They practically write the code for you.

[f789790]

if they had just added another 256MB of that stuff the ps3 it would add years to the ps3s life span.

[cyclindk]

Agree on all accounts, the PS3 is different from the 360 or PCs on so many counts that it is a wonder that anyone, even devs, try and compare them to one another..."duhhhhh...PS3 is hard to develop for..." how about, "PS3 is difficult to develop for as it presents us with new and complex technology never before utilized in computer gaming and may very well be the most advanced video gaming and multimedia platform ever created, just give us time." XDR ram, Cell/BE, Blu-ray, et cetera.

[GutZ31]

Brought to you on a VHS tape~!

[Qdog]

Betamax would have been better....LOL just kidding

[zo6_lover27]

What was that about ps3 ram problems?

[cahill]

XDR works in harmony with CELL which has a super high bandwidth and hence this is why it was chosen for PS3

The PS3 can do with just 256mb XDR which is almost like 1gig GDDR 3

However RSX has full access to 256mb XDR and 256mb GDDR3

[zo6_lover27]

That's what I've been telling Jason 360(and other Xbots) for I don't know how long but they just don't listen

[PirateThom]

The PS3s RAM problem was a fallicy (but the comedy is even with it's supposed problem it was either near matching or exceeding the 360, which is something silly fanboys really didn't consider), but every component in the PS3 is high quality and expensive, the RAM is no exception.

[Spread Butt Cheeks]

"The PS3 can do with just 256mb XDR which is almost like 1gig GDDR 3 "

lol, and a 1 gallon bucket can do just as much as a 4 gallon bucket. you're an idiot. games still require a lot of ram for storage. if your chip is fast but smaller in size than you are going to be spending extra time loading variables from a page file. when dealing with ram, loading something from a page file is the slowest operation. come on sony droids...hit that disagree button. you can handle facts

[cahill]

u are calling yourself an idiot??

Xdr runs at 3.2ghz , has 4x speed, efficiency and lower latency as Gddr3

There is something called CACHE mapping and PS3 has 2.3m of l1+l2 cache

There is something called Direct data streaming and Blu ray makes that possible on PS3

the faster XDR makes way for very frequent and fast DIRECT and INDIRECT cache mapping

This is why some games on ps3 looks so good and run at 1080p, 60 fps

[juuken]

Come on zo6...do they *ever* listen?
The PS3 could take second place in terms of sales and they'll be still flailing around in the wind.

[Spread Butt Cheeks]

you still dont know what you are talking about. 256 is no where near enough memory no matter how fast it is. once your 256 is full you need to page it out. all current gen games use more than 256 megs.

lol again @ your direct blu-ray "stream". reading optical devices takes more time than page files. stop trying moron.

i know this is Nasim that im talking to. still haven't gotten a life have you....:*( i shed a tear for your. get laid dude

[zo6_lover27]

He is saying that the drawbacks of DDR3 make 1GB of DDR3 equal to 256mb of XDR.

BTW, The ps3 has 512mb of total ram, 256mb XDR, and 256mb of DDR3. Shows what you know

[blackbeld]

U know.. and.. its funny.. i tell this... Toshiba is good friend from Sony. and thats why Microsoft is being ... G@ngB@nged
by Toshiba... hahaha

Toshiba was also working closely with the architexture for the PS3 soo they give up very soon the HD-DVD format war. Microsoft is in big trouble now.. what kind of format can they use for the future of the 720box??? dvd9 again? i feel sorry with Microsoft.

[Spread Butt Cheeks]

"Toshiba was also working closely with the architexture for the PS3"

Architectures are not written or designed specifically for gaming consoles. Stop rambling on with made-up nonsense.

ps
i found a video of Nasim: http://www.liveleak.com/vie...

[cahill]

I found your video

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

u cant be more than 2 year old

BTW stupid donkey SPC

PS3 has 512mb of RAM(256mb Xdr and 256mb Gddr3) but 256mb XDR alone >>> 1 gig GDDR3 since it has 4x speed,low latency and efficiency

in a sense 256mb XDR>>> 2x x360's total memory

PS3 has 512mb if u are unaware

[Lost_My_600_Dollar]

PS3 meant to be a blu-ray player not a game console

I think 256 is more than enough for a video player , at least you can play it without any shuttering or slowdown

have fun with your blu-rays collection , as an xbox360 owner I have many games to deal with

@SPC

that was funny lol

bubbles

[Drekken]

Are you people really as dumb as you come off as?? You can have a detailed spreadsheet of all the numbers you need for proof about how fast the PS3 is and you will still debate. The debate is OVER. Look at the games coming for PS and look at your precious piece360.

The comparison is PS2 to PS3. Xbox 360 is JUNK. And you guys will sop up all the BS fed to you by MS fans. Why they are fans, I will never know. They are software giants who stole their original concept from partners. They have had the computer field on lockdown, but that reign is ending. Bill is gone and the company has no focus. This "software giant" has thrown together some crap hardware from Bill's closet and called it the Xbox360 and it has all of you suckers who care not for technology advancement drooling. You kiddies need to WAKE UP. The PS3 is not the end to all, but it is for sure the king of technology this gen. Snap out of it you sore LOSERS.

[Snukadaman_]

Nice spin here.....256mb of ram is not 1 gig no matter how you spin it...i absolutely love this article...its almost a year too late but still the amount of absurdity only makes n4g the biggest droid display of missinformation ever.

[Kleptic]

this is at least the 5th time I have seen this video linked on this site...and it appears that even this time, it does not have any effect on the fanboy war in the slightest...and the reason for that is simple...fanboys do not know what ANY of this even means, or how it is utilized...I won't pretend to know much of it either...but there are some obvious areas that both camps keep getting stuck on...

butt cheeks...why is the 360's ram architecture so confusing when you compare it to the PS3's...both systems have an identical amount of ram...they are just different types of ram and how they are accessed are completely different...the 360 has a unified bank of 512mb of GDDR3...think of this setup like a budget laptop with an integrated GPU (not that the hardware itself is like a budget laptop, but that the hardware is arranged and piped together in that manner)...this is a somewhat unorthodox setup when compared to a gaming PC...as in nearly every good gaming PC has dedicated system ram, and dedicated GPU ram...

the PS3 also has 512mb of total ram...but has it split for the most part...the GPU has access to all 512mb if need be, but the CPU can only access the server class XDR memory, of which is significantly faster, more efficient, and more expensive than standard GDDR3 (of which the other 256mb is dedicated solely to the GPU)...this is a setup similar to a standard gaming PC...

the 360 simply does not have 'more ram'...that is something that simply won't die this generation...and that is the only point of my post...the PS3 has an equal amount overall, but half of it is significantly faster to access...the main issue between the two consoles has always been the OS footprint, of which the PS3 still has nearly double the 360's...that leaves about 30+ mb of ram free for 360 developers when compared to the PS3...

that number has been coming down since launch...but is still higher than the 360's...its been commnented on by nearly all multiplatform developers when explaining differences between the PS3 and 360...the 360 still has slightly more memory to work with overall...and the PS3 has nearly double the processing power, of which is expensive to utilize though...

[Pain]

Xbots are Stupid and no mater how many times with pretty pictures they still dont get it, cuz they see Numbers and think bigger is always better.

but i dont call them brain dead crack babies for nothing ~.^

[juuken]

Oh my goodness gracious...the bots are so damn stupid!
Damn, did you guys EVER pay attention in school?

[bootsielon]

None of these posts make sense. I just reported Nasim as SPAM because he does not know what he is talking about. Spread Butt Chicks and Snukadaman obviously have a bias, so I reported him as offensive. Mods should deal with all this fanboy bullsh1t even in the open zone. Nasim is clueless, but so are these stupid Xbots.

[uie4rhig]

that was a boring long interview.. tho with interesting information.. if this was about sumit else, i'd be sleeping halfway through lol..

[nos4speed]

So to clear it up its magic pixie dust that gives us games like mgs4......all I wanted yo know :P

[Utalkin2me]

Maybe they should use a different magic pixie dust then. Maybe they should use the same dust that was used on Uncharted and Killzone 2.

[thebudgetgamer]

they can pour it on the wii

[Mc187]

I take it that uh.....
I was already sure my PS3 kicked a$$ so um.. yeah

[Raoh]

a good follow up is that pdf insomniac posted on their site about how they use the SPU's to make their games

http://www.insomniacgames.c...

http://www.insomniacgames.c...

[hay]

Hey, thanks for the lecture. Bubbles up.

[mirroredderorrim]

It was very informative to listen to what these men had to say about the development process of the Playstation 3. From what I gather, it seems that SCE took the early production of PS3 very seriously, infact all aspects of the console were carefully looked at and, wow.. to know they had some of the worlds best minds working on the system is another new thing to me. Unless they mean Cell, which I don't think. I guess they mean everyone who contributed to everything in the system.

Nice collaborative work, and the proof has been with us, going on 2 years.

[Utalkin2me]

You mean what was written for them to say.....gotcha

[Masko]

show me rpgs lol. im tired of specs

[Vicophine]

I can't wait to play Disgaea 3 in a day or so!

[mcm]

Masko
Is just looking for something to complain about.
RPGs arent the only games in the world you know.
Look at all the new types of games that Sony has created for us to enjoy. Don't worry the RPG's will get here. It takes time to translate them, you know.

[Lost_My_600_Dollar]

Bull$hit

[juuken]

Idiot.

[blackbeld]

u mean u a full of $hit?? c-mon i think u be clever more and know more words.

buble?

[cmrbe]

describing yourself?.

[TheMART]

The situation of these two stiff Japanese guys almost forced upon each other, giving a hand if the other has a agressive virus. Jees. Get less formal dudes!

[juuken]

Moron.

[Droid]

Jewkin, you are such a stupid f*cking cunt. GO shave that TWAT. WORMS CRAWLING IN THERE!

[PirateThom]

I like how you censored "f" but not "c".

[Drekken]

MART - THE KING OF THE MORONS.

[Snukadaman_]

he is trying to be pc??

[juuken]

Go f*ck a donkey.

[Droid]

yuk! I would not touch you even if I were DRUNK!

[pixelsword]

The other guy is most likely Vietnamese (like an ex-girlfriend of mine).

[THE TERMINATOR]

RROD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drekken]

I heard MS is packing the new 360's with 3 towels.

[SmokingMonkey]

whenever you buy a 360, make sure to bring a towel. You never know when it's going to RRoD......wanna get high?

[REALZILLA]

As it seems the game companies have yet to take full advantage of the power of the PS3.

The industry itself wasn't ready for it's technical prowess. They were trying to use last gen tech on next gen equipment.

(Analog Vs. Digital)

[NanoGeekTech]

So right...

Its comprabale to trying to playa Blu-ray disc on a turn table.....

[CViper]

Playstation 3's XDR RAM =

Killzone2
Metal Gear Solid
Heavy Rain
Heavenly Sword
Motorstorm 1 & 2
Ratchet and Clank
Gran Turismo 5 prologue
Uncharted

The competition =

Unreal Engine multiplatform PC games, and a flagship graphic title at sub HD.

Anyone else confused on graphics? Lemme know, we can go over the chart again. Just send a PM.

[TheExecutive]

The games speak for themselves. There isnt an honest soul left on this planet that thinks the 360 has better graphics than the PS3. Not one honest person can look at the games and say "hey, the 360 has better graphics"

Now that I got that out of the way, graphics arent everything. They are probably 1/3 of the battle but thats it. You have controls, story, gameplay techniques, and all kinds of other stuff that factor into a great game. That said, the 360 has plenty of great games.

Plus, I dont think that the 360 is being used to its max. Of course, this can be blamed on MS. All the best looking games are almost always exclusive games. They are almost always published by the manufacturer of the console and almost always OWNED by the console manufacturer. MS's failure to expand on its developer studios is really starting to p*ss me off.

MS touts multiplatform games at its conferences like they are exclusive, then at the end they are like "exclusive DLC". Who the f*ck cares about exclusive DLC for Fallout 3??? seriously. The game is touting 100hrs of gameplay. Anyway, multiplat games should NEVER be a focal point of your console. If they are, then your consoles PERCEIVED VALUE will decrease. MS continually canabalizes their sales by allowing their games on different platforms (usually the PC and 360). This stems from an absolute conflict of interest. Anyway thatz my rant.

[SmokingMonkey]

how are they PORTING FinalFantasy13 to the 360?

Unreal Engine LOL

XD 360 is doomed, 2 years left maybe

[Drekken]

Smokin Monkey - I'm telling you- the only reason it will last that long is because MS doesnt want to exit the gaming zone.

If there new console comes out b4 2012 they are DONE. Plus someone else mentioned how next gen they cant get their hands on a medium beyond DVD9 and I find it funny. Seriously, what can they use??? HDDVD?? lol

[CViper]

No offense to you personally.. But there isn't a single god damn gamer on n4g or the entire universe(GAMER GAMER GAMER) that thinks GRAPHICS > Gameplay, or has SAID that.

That answer is always there, but the question was never asked in the first place. Because every single "GAMER" knows that. Its inherent with games/movies/anything. High production values with glitz & glamor means nothing if the content is terrible.

Who cares if you have a photoreal game, if you cant have fun playing the game? This is the way its always been, to state the obvious just brings up people who try to then say Graphics aren't needed. They are, because they are a natural progression of gaming, well, they USED to be. Good games are fine, good games WITH good graphics are hard to come by. So far, the PS3 is leading that movement.

When the debate is about Graphics and the 360 vs PS3, the answer to the unasked question always comes up. But lets stick to apples and apples. Graphics vs Graphics, not Graphics Vs Gameplay, because gameplay will always when.

People are always going to take good graphics + Good gameplay over meh graphics and good gameplay. Anyone who bought a "next gen" console at least. Because you cant pretend that you bought a next gen console to play optimized unreal engine games from 2004.

[TheExecutive]

Yeah I see what your saying. The comment about graphics and gameplay was basically to put the whole graphics debate in context and yes, it has to be done ALL the time. 3/4's of the stories on N4G are fanboyish articles and game "comparisons". no offense but not EVERY gamer acts like gameplay > graphics. In fact, if you went by the articles on this site, you might think otherwise.

[CViper]

I'd say that a "gamer" would know. I was quoting gamer as far as trying to separate it from the fanbois or the ridiculous media.

I still feel like anyone that says graphics is more important than gameplay either isn't a gamer.. or just started gaming this gen. Either way, i think we are both on the same page.

now...

Email me all of your bubbles.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

The system's resources are nearly identical. PS3 has 256mb GDDR3 + 256mb XDR. 360 has 512mb GDDR3 + 10mb EDRAM.

PS3 has a faster stash of half of its memory, and 360 has a MUCH faster (but smaller) pool of EDRAM besides its main pool of memory. 360 utilizes this cache to maintain extremely high bandwidth between data that's comsing in from the Xenos, being rendered in engine (back buffer) and data that's ready for the HANA upscale (front buffer).

Those who say that the (PS3/360)'s solution is better than (PS3/360)'s should really just think about it more objectively. Like, how are the developers using each console's particular setup when they make their games. PS3 supporters (look at how decent I can be) want to bash the 360 and say that it's not capable of rendering high-def gaming. That's not true. 360 has more than enough power. You wanna say that being on a DVD9 is preventing it from having good games? That's not true either. Ring of Light errors? Maybe it's true, but not to the degree that people have been led to believe.

The promises of having the best results with PS3/360 don't mean anything when it comes down to the actual application. That's why everything in the computer world is "theoretical". For instance overclocking something may lead to "theoretically" more performance, right? But oc also causes over heating, during which transistors leak more of the current out and the cpu becomes unstable. So what good is it to tout theory and deny fact?

Point is, there are many factors that can contribute to performance in gaming. Memory is just one of them. Graphics processing horsepower is another. I'm sure we ALL know about RSX, and its...limitations. So those who want to point a finger at 360 and laugh, by all means do so. But just know that RSX is WOEFULLY behind the times. And a poor excuse coming from a console that launched at $600, has dropped down significantly and has YET to comeup with RSXs shortcommings, other than the fact that CellBE must now waste its horsepower to make up for the ends that it clumsily drops.

If you disagree, please click disagree. I don't expect everyone to agree.

edit at bellow:
i heard everything you said:P thanx!

[TheExecutive]

well guns, yes there are limitations to both consoles. Everyone knows that. However, the actual products are starting to differentiate themselves by quite a bit. There is no denying by next year with the likes of KZ2, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, and GOW3 that the PS3 will show it has more under the hood.

If we do a simple comparison of the progression of years we will see which has more under its "respective" hood.

For example, the 360 is smack dab in the middle of its 3rd year of existence. the ps3 is in its second year. By next year when some really fantastic looking games come out on the ps3, the ps3 will be in its third year.

I must ask about the 360's third year of existence. Such as where are the KZ2's, gran turismos, and heavy rains of the 360? where are they? When it comes right down to it, the ps3 is showing the goods and the 360 has leveled off. We only need to look at the games for this, there is NEVER a need for a gamer to look further.

EDIT: lol Guns, you edited your post and now mine makes a little less sense.

[TheExecutive]

Yes, we are on the same page and you do deserve a bubble. +bubbles

[clrlite]

Did they say 50+ Gigabyte/second memory? PS3 is a beast!

[hay]

Nothing new dude, nothing new. It were only those non-believers who doubted PS3's computing power. It's pure math that PS3 is pretty much of a monster. It just have tricky architecture but dev's are learning fast. It's in second year of lifecycle, so it's still young.

[TresTrendu]

Well if you want actually math, the 360 actually beats it in every stat (Almost).

Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 12.0 Billion Texels/sec

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Texels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture

[cahill]

PS3 can do 51 billion dot operations per second

x360 can do 33

http://www.ezilon.com/infor...

PS3 can do 96 shaders ops per sec vs 64 on x360

ps3 can do 885 million poly/s . x360 can do 500m

Rsx supports OPEN GL 3.0. Xenos doesnt support it

Rsx has a bandwidth of 13.2 g/s . xenos has 8 g/s

Both have 8 ROPS though

*****Ur specs are just FAKE things from pcvsconsoleforum and xboxkings

[Peow]

Gimme a link where you got this data. I'm not arguing, I'm just curious.

[Harry190]

treTendu is using the fake info from that article on COD4 from a few months ago.

[clrlite]

I did a douplicate post so I am just editing this :/ Was it Naughty dog that said UNCHARTED was using only about 30% of the Cell's power?
http://arstechnica.com/jour...

[Raoh]

the real problem is understanding. or unlearning.. there is a reason games look good on the 360. its the same tech from last generation with just a faster processor and video card

its basically no different than how developers started to make amazing looking games toward the end of the ps2 cycle..

there is little to no learning curve for the ps2 and 360..

if you see how insomniac makes their games you will see the difference..

[ChickeyCantor]

Nice Video,
But Why is the guy speaking english "reading" stuff? XD you can see his eyes go left>right XD

[Silogon]

Those guys were being told what to say via cue cards. hahahhhahah

[Drekken]

But does that make it false? Comon... Our politicians sit at a podium and read their speeches... You cant memorize everything you want to say.

[TOO PAWNED]

I sware to God, i am 99% sure that Silogon is Gamesblow! Same co.ky arogant way of commenting....i dont refer to this comment but in general, and i love how he talks with him self in some older comments, by "himself" i mean that Gamesblow or Silogon gives comment and other one replays and pretends to have conversation, and than "tell" comes out in fashion "Gamesblow pics on your site(what site? ) are amazing, this and that game look amazing, o you were so right" etc.

[jerethdagryphon]

about 30%

nice to know theres a spare 75gflops lying around

and for those who dont know

have a google for cell acelerator board

its a pcie card with a cell on board IT IS NOT A GRAPHICS CARD

but it does have 1gb xdr and 4gb ddr2 on board its also not as fast closck speed wise as a ps3
it runs in at about 180gflops

ibm sony toshiba built cell from the ground up they didnt just take a duelcore and say toss in another core

yes its hard to learn yes its worth it

anyone who says 360 is more powerful cant add numbers

[pwnsause]

this is stuff that i already know, so im not surprised. Very informative though, so that the naysayers can stop talking about how smart they are with hardware, or for those who were saying that the 360 is more powerful than the PS3.

[Drekken]

If you think this video will stop them, you havent met the naysayers yet!! lol All of them together in a room and their IQ is like 85 tops.

[joeynox]

If i posted a video from the people who made the ram in the 360 they would say hte samething about their product . Its all spin.

[psgamer]

it seems that people arguing over which console is capable of more graphical power isn't coming to everyone agreeing on 1 answer. So i'm offering a solution, how about letting the games speak for themselves...

the fact is the ps3 just has plain better looking games than the xbox 360 does (im not saying that its not capable, but we just havent seen them as of now)

MGS4, Uncharted, GT5P, and R&CF:ToD. The 360's best looking game, Gears of War is agruably better looking than Ratchet, but thats it. Its not that they just look better, its noticable as well. there dosent need to be any comparison videos showcasing mgs4, Uncharted, and GT5P side by side with GeoW to see the difference- its that big of gap. The ps3 has pumped out the best looking games on a console this gen-FACT. KZ2, GOW3, and HR are only adding to the list.

[Shane Kim]

And there Xbutts you have Playstation 3's XDR RAM explained.

[joeynox]

rambus means nothing because if it was so great it would be the main ram used in pcs. Rambus tried in the past but it was too expensive and ddr was just as good and cheaper.Also numbers mean absolutely nothing and everyone knows this, The numbers are there so the devs can tout the theoretical powerful their product not the realtime/realworld results and that's fact.The ps3 can be the most uber processor on the planet but it means nothing if the people it was made for can harness its power.

As for the 360 being more powerful i can seethe graphics chip being more powerful but the cell is theoretically is more powerful thansk to the spe's but once again if they are so much better than was available than they would be for everyday use and they are not ( yet anyway ). the cell was built for numbers and video encoding.

[funkysolo]

The more numbers the cell can crunch the more data it can process. It's pretty simple

[Qdog]

The disagree fairies have struck again...On a side note though, XDR is mainly server grade memory, meant for high bandwidth application...and by the way, XDR is very successful in the server department, especially when comparing price to performance ratio. However when the time comes that all that bandwidth is needed, I dont think smart investors will go with DDR, as Dual Data Rate memory (DDR3 especially) sacrifices latency speeds, within the buffer, for bandwidth, effectively cancelling out it's advantages... XDR doesnt seem to suffer from this specific problem...Until cost production goes down, XDR wont see a mainstay in consumer end PCs/notebooks, but the PS3's implementation of XDR seems to be helping to lower the costs a bit. About your argument that if the cell was so much better than was available than they would be for everyday use...First the Cell BE is proprietary tech and will remain so for quite some time(intel is developing an alternative eight core solution in response though), as well, I ask that you name an OS that uses parallel processing as it's target platform...dont bother, there are none( sans certain Java OSs, and a certain yellowdog Linux distro) so releasing the Cell BE to regular consumers without an OS to use it is quite pointless from a business perspective...besides, there are among the worlds greatest performing supercomputers, Cell Blades, in which the Cell processor is used(Blue Gene) to acheive the world record for processor performance within a supercomputer...The Cell does do very well at coding/decoding video, but consider also it's floating point performance...you'll see with future games, such as MAG why floating point performance is so important in gaming...by the way, have a nice day.

[vdesai]

Here we go lets shred the dream world you live in to pieces. The RSX is more powerful then the "video card" in the 360. Next, numbers is the only thing that matters, the more numbers something can crunch the better it is. This is because in order for the picture to appear on the screen without you noticing delay, you need to have the picture ready to be printed. Here is why you cant play (nice looking) games without a "good" video card. The video card is essentially a processor dedicated to video. The only reason that it is faster is because there is no reason to worry about the architecture of the video card. How does the picture show up, you ask? Well the processor (or the video card) decides what color each pixel or a certain point on the "canvas" will be, the only way it can decide that is if the numbers have been crunched and everything is ready to be "painted". That last bit about the cell being built for numbers and video encoding is well dumb. It is made for video DECODING and processing high definition images. Try and watch a HD movie on a crappy computer and you'll see why this is required. Now this video comes in, where the cell leaves off. How is the cell supposed to communicate that immense amount of data that is processed. Thats where the increased bandwidth comes in, the higher the processing speed the faster the data transfer needed. If you can't get it to the goal fast enough there will be delays because the "tubes" are blocked. We have IRQ scheduling in today's PCs because of the mistakes that were made in the past.

NEVER EVER WILL NUMBERS NOT MATTER! Because to process code (< thats what programs/games/etc. are) you need a processor fast enough to do it.

Small experiment you can do, create a text file that is huge paste random crap in it and save it. The "freeze up" is because the Hard drive is slower then the RAM (< where the pasted data comes from).

[hazardman]

super sayain you make very good points..but there is nothing right now on the x360 that can touch MGS4..tho Uncharted was nice graphically I think Gears 1 and Bioshock trumps it..

[ApocalypseShadow]

sony knew what they were doing for the next 10 years.and the hardware shows.bluray,1080p,remote play with psp,cell processor,etc that ps3 fans already know about couldn't be countered.again...

1.the hard drive is upgradeable

2.bluray is upgradeable

3.and maybe it's just me,but i have a feeling that sony will surprise gamers later on with cell.i think there's extra power sony is not allowing to be used until later.look at psp.psp started with 222 speed and then it was bumped to 333(after hackers did it).then games like god of war released on the system.one spe is not being used.yet,they must all work in the systems that are out there.what if sony,through firmware,unlocked the 8th spe?they say redundant.i say it's waiting to be unlocked.

4.and lastly,sony made all ps3s linkable through broadband.what if sony made an online game that looked so massively real,that the only way to access the game was a ps3?

here's my example:sony takes hundreds,if not thousands of ps3s and creates a game on these farms or farms of cell processors alone.then you access the game just like you can play some games through remote play on psp.psp is not producing the game.the game is running on something somewhere else.

what if you had remote play with ps3 and these cell farms that created this game that,let's say,took 8 years to make?WHAT IF THE GAME SONY SHOWED TO THE BBC WAS THIS GAME?where the game looked so real,that it floored the journalist.and phil harrison was scared to acknowledge?

matrix you say?i say.....YES!ken k.knew something we didn't.i think he wanted to create not just different types of COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT,but something ps3 gamers could "jack into."but notice how they say entertainment and not games?notice how they say interface as if ps3 was to access something.and the way it was made was to be fast at viewing it over ps3.

psp is not fast enough to do this with remote play.but some games come through well,but wireless can't take the load from somewhere else.but ps3 at home could with these cell farms/ps3s.

but we'll see.

apocalypse........

[vdesai]

Please get this useless waste database space out of here. Stick to what you know about and you clearly do not know about technology.

"2.bluray is upgradeable"

Yes the Disk space can be increased. The drive itself can not be upgraded.

"3.and maybe it's just me,but i have a feeling that sony will surprise gamers later on with cell.i think there's extra power sony is not allowing to be used until later.look at psp.psp started with 222 speed and then it was bumped to 333(after hackers did it).then games like god of war released on the system.one spe is not being used.yet,they must all work in the systems that are out there.what if sony,through firmware,unlocked the 8th spe?they say redundant.i say it's waiting to be unlocked."

Yes, they may have underclocked the Cell but this is unlikely, the Cell most likely will not be overclocked because then you have excess heat which needs to be dealt with.

"4.and lastly,sony made all ps3s linkable through broadband.what if sony made an online game that looked so massively real,that the only way to access the game was a ps3?"

Im sorry not gonna happen with the current speeds we have on broadband. Even if the speeds were reachable, now way in hell are they spending that much cash to make a few consumers happy. The majority of consumers have mediocre speeds and can't afford (or have the need) to have top of the line internet speeds.

[LoVeRSaMa]

@vdesai

About bluray, it can be upgraded by firmware, but cannoy phisically obv.

Disc sizes increase the lazer was built to say read 100GB max?

A firmware update could allow the lazer to read 400GB+ as stated before ^_^

I belive thats what he meant by upgradeable, although I do agree with your other points.

[TheExecutive]

This is a serious question not some attack on you.

Ok, now that I have prefaced the question here it is:

We all know that the cell is being used to help stanford with their chormosomal folding research (folding at home). Why couldnt Sony do soemthing like that (using vast amounts of ps3's to produce and push through huge amounts of information)to create a game?

Zipper, at E3, said that the have created a brand new server architecture that allowed them to create a 256 multiplayer game. Could they already be working on something like 'folding at home' but for a game? Could it be possible that 'folding at home' isnt just for Stanford's research but also Sony's?

Of course I dont know the answer to these questions and i dont know enough about how things work with folding at home to give a proper analysis of if but its just a thought.

+bubbles for some intelligent feedback and, well, a good lesson in server architecture.!

[hazardman]

CAHILL like I said your a Sony fanboy im a f ing gamer..I know uncharted looks great, but the enemies look generic. I am looking at everything on screen not just the pretty stages..altho. Gears and Bioshock are smaller in scale.. they both look awesome and the characters also so look great..you think you know everything about gaming...you a fool..everyone has an opinion..yours is not the only one that matters..damn fanboys..get the sausage out your mouths...

[Dissidia]

psgamer speaks the truth.

[xtreampro_REVENGE!]

real transalation of japanese guy = that pile of microshit console sucks compared to the mighty PS3's CELL and its flashy looks

[divideby0]

yawn...
same type of thang was said about the PS2...
and we still had AAA games on the PS2 when other companies gave up on their consoles which were released after the PS2....
its called proper console design for increased lifespan..
somethang other console companies forgot

[Young Puzzle]

lmao they all look like creeps

[PimpHandStrong]

its all greek to me

all i know is this

MGS4 and Unchated are amazing looking games! Most if not all games exclusive to PS3 look amazing

Warhawk is a ton of fun that cant be found on any system anywhere!

Socom isnt a PC game!

blueray movies look amsome on my 1080p

thats all i know

[mirroredderorrim]

Very strong. Best comment so far. Bubble up, buddy.

[hay]

Hahah, great comment, bubbles.

[hazardman]

my man with the big stick..you f ing prick...you base all your knowledge of gaming from going to all these different sites and reading what they have to say...how about your own f ing opinion..you always say oh neagaf this and neagaf that...hell with all the BS dude..and now you want be an online gangsta...x360 has a far superior game library than the PS3..that being said i believe PS3 has the better 1st party titles..thats the main reason I have a PS3..so f off biatch...

[LiquifiedArt]

But for all arguments, by Feb 2009:
PS3 will have Better Online Services
PS3 will have a larger more EXCLUSIVE library of titles

As far as my opinion, I think the PS3 already has better online services and library of titles. Its short-term thinking, to honestly believe the 360's Year jump on the competition wont weed itself out, as more and more SONY exclusives are dropped. Start looking long-term and make wise buying decisions. just my opinion.

[DingDong]

When there's a dev that puts procedural texturing into their game engine the ps3 graphics will blow anything out of the water. Procedural texturing does not need much memory from the GPU. It needs processing power to multiply the texture many times and the cell is perfect. If any of you use 3DS Max you should understand what I'm saying.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

If you guys understood how the diaphiludes triangulate vertexes at speeds above 40 million dot frames per millisecond, you would see that the Wii does trump both the 360 and Wii, theoretically.

[vdesai]

Typo?

[Qdog]

I think what he meant to say is that the wii by itself is more liable to last throughout it's console life as opposed, to a wii merged with a 360....or maybe he meant that together the wii and the 360 form a sort of Voltron contraption, that's more powerful, but less power efficient than the wii by itself............HAHAHAHAHA, sorry I couldnt resist. Besides, the Wii argument may hold water, but it only runs at sub HD resolution, so it's in many ways irrelevant....sort of like a crappy pc could play half-life 2 at the absolute lowest settings and resolution, and pull off higher framerates, than say a more capable pc with all settings and resolution maxed....The wii is in a different boat all together. It's just a refreshed gamecube with slightly higher specifications...oh yeah and motion controls.

[TheExecutive]

maybe he is talking about how its impossible to use one aspect of an entire system to base an argument that its better than another. Numbers are only half of the battle, how components communicate to each other is the other half?

I dont know though since my entire education on the development and understanding of hardware architecture comes from the internet. (we all know how reliable that is :) )

[jspc1989]

and its been very interesting to me reading through all of the comments, but can i just ask one simple question:

Why do any of you actually care enough to start a debate about it? lol

As long as the games keep coming and i have a great experience, I really couldnt care if their are hampsters on wheels powering the bloody thing lol.

The reality is that the only people that really know what it can do, or how far it can go are the people who designed and made it, end of story. Everyone under the sun can research it all day and all night, and could still end up being completely wrong, so wouldnt it just be easier to respect each others opinions, and lean from each other to form a bigger picture.

You can listen to all of the PR in the world, but ill go on what I see now and say its nothing revolutionary, if someone comes out and shows me something different then i will happily change my opinion. I don't like to go on what could 'possibly theoretically be a reality one day'. Ill take what may come some day in the future - in the future lol.

Seems to me like people are taking it all way to personally lol, but hey thats just my take on it as i say. :-) x

[centrum2k]

i see your pts. its just mostly about feeling good about their purchase. i mean most of the fansboy usually only own 1 system. i dont see any reason for owners that have both 360/ps3 talk down about either systems.

[centrum2k]

what all this fuss?? its clearly ps3 is more powerful than 360!! ps3 came out 1yr later and costs more to build. just like Xbox vs ps2. yes, theres people are gunna say ps2 is more powerful than xbox. but clearly xbox is more powerful than ps2. so history repeat itself.

[cyclindk]

At first I thought this was just a video on XDR and how it works, but then I realized it is in fact a demonstration of the latest advancements in Japanese robotic design, those two almost had me fooled.

[Iceman100]

Don't ever compare console ram to pc ram, especially a outdated amount such as 256....lol i think that was the requirement last gen or so. The ps3 can barely handle it's own games with the sorry excuse for ram that they have, so i doubt it's ultra fast.....maybe for the ps3 is it anyway.

here is what real ram would look like

2 gig out of 16

That's my current pc specs on ram alone, so take notes sony.

"clearly ps3 is more powerful than 360!!"

YA more powerful but shi* quality games...power doesn't make em alone.

[FURY__UNLEASHED]

TresTrendo said that GT5 and MGS4 have terrible framerate issues!

LMAO!

Your TV is obviously garbage since I have a 1080p 46" with NO framerate issues. Your TV is probably made by Microsoft since their hardware is so poorly constructed.

BTW MGS4 is native 1080p is anything on 360 NATIVE 1080p - nope

[jspc1989]

but metal gear solid 4 is 720p native, which can then be upscaled to 1080p

[PimplePopperMD]

almost every game is native 720p with NONE being 1080p natively.

[trancefreak]

great video :)

[Bebedora]

Here you can read all about what the PS3 is really capable of.

http://www.misinformer.com/...

</joke>

[coolclimate0]

good thing sony not freakin retarded and took a step back by leaving out hard drives lol, brag all you want about your precious gddr3 and wireless crappy controllers, fact is i can install to my 60$ 160gb hard drive and have less loading time then youll ever see on your crappy get rich quick console
eat that crap xbots

[PimplePopperMD]

old

[NanoGeekTech]

I also enjoy great gameplay and a awesome story.........

They are games out there that you can play that will entertain the hell out of you that does not have the graphic fidelity of say MGS4...for example...The last gut( But it still looks good)its easy on the eye...

But when I think of gaming I need great graphic, sound, gameplay, and story....If I have great graphic...everything else is greatly enhanced....for example: Heavenly Sword...this game has great graphics, great acting, pretty good story and kick 4ss sound...then there is MGS4 enough said..

Graphic helps enhance a gaming experience....If I can look around in a Virtual Environment and notice things such as: "Grass on the ground looks like someone just walk thru I should go that way" or looking on the ground to see where footprints are going or how many people or even if there was a struggle....you need great graphics to do these things...(MGS4)...