Hard Reset Redux Dev Wishes PS4 Backwards Compatibility Would Be Similar To Xbox One's

Last year, Microsoft announced that they would be enabling backwards compatibility on Xbox one for Xbox 360 games.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Emulating the Cell Processor on PS4 would be extremely difficult, but PS1/2 emulation could probably be done.

[magiciandude]

PS2 emulation is already happening, we just need disk-based support. Also since PS4 won't play PS3 games, I would love to play my PSVita and PSP downloadable titles with trophy support on the PS4 to make up for it.

[donthate]

I wish Sony would make the PS2 emulation free if you owned the original game. I don't need the trophy support, so they can keep that and sell that to people that want it extra or incentive to upgrade.

Wish Sony would have the same goodwill MS does by providing us free BC.

[kitsune451]

The fact that not even PS3's PS2 Classic carry over to PS4 is utterly ridiculous. There's no excuse for that.

[ONESHOTV2]

why not support the cause and buy a vita if you want to play vita games makes sense right.

[thekhurg]

There only time gamers care about backwards compatibility is when a console doesn't have it.

That's why don't abandoned it last gen. It's a waste because not enough gamers bother with it when it's there.

[iDadio]

Above nailed it, if it was there it would not be used as much as people claim. If you wanted to play ps3 games so badly you could just keep your old one and hook it up when you needed it.

[Commando_Bro]

They should have a PS4 with the Emotion Engine in it.
It really wouldn't cost much more.
They did it with the PS3 when it launched.

[Death]

You know the Cell is a modified PowerPC or Risc processor, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 used modified 64 bit PowerPC processors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... Both the PS4 and Xbox One use an x86 based AMD APU in their consoles. We already know Xbox One runs Xbox 360 games. Maybe it would be harder to get PS3 games running on PS4, but extremely difficult is a leap when we have seen hobbyist emulating PS3 games on PC for years. They aren't emulating with the same quality, but imagine what Sony engineers that have access on a much deeper level could accomplish if they wanted to.

[Wingsfan24]

The PS3 emulation is just barely working. They make advancements every few months, but there's hardly any actual working PS3 games on the PC. This would be a long and pricey project for Sony to get it working.

[Aenea]

The X360 is just using 3 PowerPC cores while the PS3 is using 1 and those pesky to emulate SPUs... That's the difference...

[travestyj]

PS3 architecture was much more complex than the 360 architecture and the main reason why developers had so much trouble with it.

Smaller PS3 games are barely functional on PC and are running on PC's a lot more powerful than the PS4...

[DigitalRaptor]

The "hobbyist" emulators, like has been said, barely function on much more powerful PCs. PS3 has hundreds of games that were developed back when there was not much support for devs so much so that they had to struggle and develop using Cell's SPUs. Support was pretty dire, so developers had to make do with their own approaches developing on already complex hardware for a good chunk of the generation. It was "a multi-year investment" for Microsoft to engineer backwards compatibility for more straightforward and logically produced code in the vast majority of cases due to the easier to develop for hardware, and even Microsoft's emulation isn't perfect.

How long do you really think it would take Sony and cost them to just embark on this process, and not even know if they are able to reach a worthwhile level of performance on these games, due to aforementioned complications? I would like to see BC for my PS3 games, but saying it's not extremely difficult is a leap.

[kraenk12]

The Cell was vastly more complicated and capable in certain areas...hell it even rivals the PS4 and X1's CPU in floating point calculations TODAY!

[rainslacker]

I doubt the single PowerPC core that the CELL used is the issue. It's more the SPE's which can calculate certain types of data faster than any x86 processor, and offloading them to GPU compute isn't something that would be consistent in application.

Then there's the fact the PS3 didn't use a standard GPU, but rather an RSX design. While the RSX was a modified Nv7800GTX(IIRC), it used separate vertex and shader pipelines which is a very different setup than GPU's today. It used this pipeline because things like that were meant to be offloaded onto the SPE's, kind of a reverse of today's mentality of offloading physics to the GPU.

Couple this with the high clock speed of the CELL, which could outprocess the APU in the current systems by a wide margin for certain tasks, and it means that the power may not be there in the PS4 to emulate it through brute force. Elegant design would be pointless without the power to back it up.

The whole architecture of the PS3's setup is very different than the architecture of an x86, used a different instruction set, and the bus was set up much differently. The X1 setup has much more in common with the 360 in it's bus and pipeline design, with the only thing of any real issue being the instruction set of it's multi-core RISC processor. Even the GPU's within the 2 Xbox consoles are pretty close to one another in terms of instructions available, with the X1 having all the commands available to it that the 360 did, with more added of course, and obviously more powerful to execute them faster.

It's not to say that it couldn't work, which I wouldn't do now because I didn't even think it'd be possible for X1 to do 360 given the power, but it would require a lot of work to get it to be functional as a consumer level service.

[donthate]

The Xbox 360 emulation on Xbox One was thought not possible, even by MS, but they threw in resources to do it and they found a way. That is a testament to MS support to gamers as they did it completely free!

I won't say it isn't possible, but I think it would be difficult especially for Sony whom have limited technical expertise in building software.

[TFJWM]

@donthate I am pretty sure MS knew it was possible. They said it wasn't possible the same way they said that Xbox One working without the Kinect wasn't possible...

[Naughty_Cloud]

IF what u say is true, then why did so many developers have trouble coding for the PS3. A lot of developers openly complained about the complex architecture of the Cell. I guess we are just imagining all the didn't happen.

[Dark_king]

From what I have read the One does not emulate the 360.Which is why they needed dev permission to do it they had to change a few things in the code to make it run.In truth something like this should also be possible for ps3 games on ps4.

[MilkMan]

Xbox One emulation STILL doesn't work. Some of those games are near impossible to play. Alan Wake and Dark Souls are a hot mess. Better to play them on a 360.

[testerg35]

I believe PS2 is already being emulated.

[joeorc]

@testerg35 + 20h ago
"I believe PS2 is already being emulated."

Its a game by game basis..
Because of licence agreements..and also PS2 uses MIPS processors, PSP also a MIPS processor.
PS3 used PowerPC & Cell Processor
PS4 use x86 and sub section ARM security Processor on Die.

That is not the same as what Microsoft has..the xbox360 was all powerPC no mixture, and the Xbox one x86

Now going by the two platforms. Which licence agreements would be harder to get? For each platform for those legacy IP deals?

Now top that off with not only those deals, you have to have the original code lying around, than code for new hardware in order to run since with the playstation Emulation is also having trophy support & share play and remote play..the disc based Emulation would work, but again you need permission from the IP holder, and just because you are the publisher does not mean you own the rights to that IP..even if its a 2nd party studio or developer. Or publisher.

[SpinalRemains138]

Yeah it's pretty silly that we have ppl still clamoring for this when they're well aware of the differences in architecture. Specifically at how atypical the Cell and it's workings are.

It's not only difficult, but it would be a costly endeavor for both SONY and eventually it's userbase.

Sure I'd use it too, and appreciate it, but I prefer the standard x86 ATM with no BC for the price we paid.

At the end of the day it was a teade off which benefitted us the players. We see this with all the multiplats running nicely on both consoles and the PS4 is cheap with decent console horsepower.

[meche334]

Not really. The spy's in the cell are similar to shaders that can be emulated and the modified ppc cores on the cpu

[JasonKCK]

People still believe the cell can't be emulated BS? People have been doing it on PC for a while, and for free.

[BlackTar187]

barley has ps3 been emulated on the PC. At least know what you;re talking about.

[DivineAssault]

I wish it were too but i still have my older consoles so ill live.. PS4 is built completely different than before and im glad actually.. BC will be possible in the future at least since it has PC architecture now.. PS2 emulation looks great and it would be even better if it were free with the disc but im happy with the PS4 and all it has now as well as moving forward.. Many great new games to look forward to so playing older games isnt a priority, it would just be a bonus..

[Tito08]

Every time I see some reports about PS4 BC from an unknown game dev, I begin to guess it's coming from Gamingbolt, like they have nothing interesting to report, lol.

[frostypants]

Pretty much any any clickbait topic with reference to some random unknown dev is a sure sign of a FailingBolt article. Their MO is to just find any obscure dev who is happy to grant an interview to anyone who comes along, then weave whatever clickbait nonsense they want to push into that interview. It's pathetic.

Just play Mad Libs with a random dev name and a stupid clickbait topic and you can make your own gamingbolt headline.

"Massive Burger Assault dev says he wishes Xbox One had better GPU"
"Booger Force Five dev thinks PS5 must have 4K capability"

...and so on.

GamingBolt also uses shade accounts to downvote and shut down posts critical of their site, because the mockery has become so common.

I cannot figure how they haven't been banned from N4G by this point.

[ScorpiusX]

PS4 is doing fine with their BC concept beside they offer Trophies and better resolution . they are doing good no need to change anything .

[_-EDMIX-_]

"PS4 is doing fine with their BC concept"

No....its not BC so I'm not fully sure what you mean.

I can't put a PS2 game in my PS4 and it runs.....

Please...stop lying bud. Many of you on here are exaggerating to a HUGE degree about this, like a lot.

Stop calling it "BC" what it is, is not compatibility of any past software you own, so how on earth could it be "BC"?

[Black0ut]

I disagree completely. You're just paying for hand picked digital ps2 titles on PS4 without any form of real BC. Simply put, it's a business option and people are buying into it. That's cool and all but what about all the people that have a large PS2 library? It's a bit unfair.

Sony should have done better with this IMO.

[joeorc]

@Black0ut

[That's cool and all but what about all the people that have a large PS2 library? It's a bit unfair.]

Is it not also a bit unfair to point to Sony to make a ps2 emulator without getting permission from other publishers or IP holders?

Think about the only reason PC gets away with it because the people making these Emulation programs do not have to ask permission of the IP holder at all.

While Sony does, and if the IP holder said no what than?

Its one thing to say Sony should make one, its another thing to than ask the IP holder to give permission for such..the point is majority of the iP's during the PS2 & PS1 are not owned by Sony they are or maybe the publisher but that does. Not give the rights to do what ever they want with those iP's..

Again the PSP & PS2 had MIPS processors, while the Playstation 3 Had powerPC & Cell processor vs the PS4 x86

Those iP's have to have licence agreements and than have to be recoded on a game by game basis, tested to see if they work correctly, top it off the PS2 emulator is not a one code fits all Emulator..like on PC , because of the licence agree ments and two the IP holder if wants more money may want trophy's added as well as other functions like remote play.

The thinking its a one size fits all emulator like on PC is not remotely correct.

[Eiyuuou]

Meh, I wouldn't mind.

[ritchi45]

I've got my PS3 on standby if I ever want to dip in to old games. I much prefer new games coming to PS4 instead of seeing their line-up being bolstered by last gen games.

[SpinalRemains138]

I agree with you.

At this point I really think BC is just an outlet for ppl to complain about something. I have never seen BC or lack be such an issue until this generation.

We all buy new machines so we can play new games. It isn't as if when you buy a PS4 your PS3 dematerializes or runs away. If a customer wants BC and it isn't being offered, then you hold onto the old console.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. I still have my PS3 right next to my PS4, will have my PS4 right next to my PS5.

I don't even get those that want the BC, if you sold you're PS3, it broke and you didn't buy a new one...I mean...you didn't even want it THAT BADLY in the first place to really, REALLY want BC for PS4.

I question the concept of this "want" as if you want something so badly, you would go down the path of getting it, ie not selling the PS3 in the first place, replacing it if it broke etc.

I have 4 PS3's in my house from my family right now lolz.

Will buy a second PS4, this time for my sister for Christmas.

I'm sorry folks, if its a real, real...REAL value to you, don't sell it, buy it used if you don't have it etc.

Even if you own XONE, consider not all titles from 360 will support it, so it actually makes more sense to just get a used 360 vs waiting for titles to support XONE's BC that legit may never get support in the future.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/of...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/of...

Soooooooo lets stop pretending we have no other options or choice.

I don't mind seeing PS3 games on PS4 as what the line up looks like is kinda irrelevant, I can't wish a title doesn't get a remaster or releases on PSN etc based on what I personally want to see as that seems a bit selfish.

We buy new consoles to play new titles primarily, if you're library is such a value to you.....don't sell the platform in the first place.

My PS4 will sit right next to my PS5....

[Khaotic]

No-one reads your stupid fanboy essays

[Wallstreet37]

So do about 10 other ppl lol I had my PS3 OG and maybe played like two games using bc. I still have two ps3s in my house. My son uses one because i havent gotten him a PS4 yet even though hes been begging me for one and my PS3 hasnt been plugged in for awhile but once in awhile i turn it on to play Demon Souls and Uncharted mp.

Are options good? Hell yes. Is it an advantage Xbone has? Yes. Do i care about it enough to care or miss it? No, I dont wish or care for it. I doubt more than 10% of xbone users even use it.

I know its my opinion and some ppl want it but it isnt a large amount of ppl that care for it (imo)

[Kribwalker]

You get 2 free Xbox 360 games every month with games with gold. I'm pretty sure most people play those at a minimum

[Wallstreet37]

It was a great move for Microsoft to make all the future 360 GOG to be bc with Xbone. They took Sonys idea of plus and at this point are rewarding gamers more. I respect that.

[KiwiViper85]

I didn't think I would use it either, but I do. Quite a lot.

There's heaps of games on the list that I didn't play last gen, as I was poor and only got a 360 in 2009. I couldn't afford many games, like I can now.

And there's also a lot of sequels coming out soon, when I havn't played the original, HaloWars, Deus EX, Mirrors edge etc...

It's a great feature

[Wallstreet37]

I agree its a good feature. I would never dispute that. More options are always better.

[DeadManMMX]

Surely you see a difference between ps2/og Xbox to PS3/Xbox 360 and 360/PS3 gen to current. Ps2 games looked horrible in comparison to hd generation graphics. The leap this time was much smaller.

[Tsunade]

I rather have Sony investing in new techologies and new ways of gaming like VR.

I am more much interested in new VR experiences than playing old games.

[Rookie_Monster]

Still have 2 dozen PS3 games that are classics but sold my PS3 to paid for my PS4. Wish there is a way to play some of those titles and use the PS4 features like shareplay, screenshots, streaming, and possibly play them on cinema mode on PSVR.

So yea, I pretty much would love BC on my PS4. Nothing wrong with more options.

[ScorpiusX]

BINGO THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT

" Nothing wrong with more options"

And not referring to keeping extra hardware laying around to do so but the option to do so from my new hardware . Who doesn't like options

[esmittystud101]

Yep. I never owned a PS3 and some of those console exclusives, example: Demon Souls, I'm never going to get to play it unless it goes remaster or B.C.

I hope they remaster it, I just don't see it happening for such an old game. I'd be more than willing to buy the PS3 disc just to play on PS4.

Big dreams right?

[kraenk12]

I'd never sell my PS3 so I'm fine.

[Eddoes]

You PS3 wont last forever but your digital library surely will.

[MachuchalBrotha316]

Lol...not if the power grid gets wiped out. Or the internet crashes forever. Yeah you got games forever in the Clouds.. the real ones. RIP Digital Games.

[kraenk12]

You can't be serious...if you had used Steam you'd know how easy it is to lose everything in a heartbeat. Btw you don't even own those games, you just have the right to use them! Ignorance

[butchertroll]

Quote :

The Cell was vastly more complicated and capable in certain areas...hell it even rivals the PS4 and X1's CPU in floating point calculations TODAY!

...

Well, Xone and PS4 CPU combined doesn't have so much flops like Cell - 230 GFLOPS

[kraenk12]

True although I think you responded to the wrong comment.

[butchertroll]

I responded here cuz in that post there is no "reply" option. :D

[tulholdren]

I still have my PS1 thru PS4 up and running so no problem for me. I remember when BC was on PS3 some people that had other systems said BC was not important but now its like a God send power man things change...

[Artemidorus]

It's Trollingbolt guys no need to take it too seriously.

[Tobsesan]

Ps4 has no BC, they just release ps2 games with better performance and trophy support and let you pay for it again.
Would be AMAZING if we could put in a PS1/2 disc and it just works. I get that ps3 BC is hard but just do ps1 and 2 please.

[joeorc]

@Tobsesan + 17h ago
"Ps4 has no BC, they just release ps2 games with better performance and trophy support and let you pay for it again.
Would be AMAZING if we could put in a PS1/2 disc and it just works. I get that ps3 BC is hard but just do ps1 and 2 please."

Disc based would work, the problem again is getting permission from the IP holder..and if the IP holder says yes, but with stipulations..such as "we want" Sony has to make a deal by deal basis...with a majority of those iP's. Its not like Xbox live digital download or Xbox 360 disc based Emulation because A) PS2 was MIPS B) well older that the xbox360 games library.. I mean there is games well older than the xbox360 was even a platform on the design floor..

I mean take the Xbox original, it was x86 but where is its Emulation program for the Xbox one? The Xbox360 is PowerPC, but the 1st Xbox is x86.

There is reasons why, and many I think look at well if Microsoft or Sony can do something the other can..it is such a way most of the time yes..they can with Time, but in many cases due to licence agreements or god forbid lost code can be a non starter.

[nitus10]

While I do agree that being able to put your PS2 game disk into the PS4 so that the emulator can play it would be a good idea especially since I have 60+ PS2 games of which the majority work on my BC PS3.

I think Sony is well aware that they may be sued by the PS2 game's owners since the PS4 has no backwards compatibility to the PS2 architecture.

The PS4 cannot read CD's so any games on CD will not be read which leaves out all PS1 and some PS2 CD disks. Try putting any CD in the PS4 if you don't believe me. DVD's are recognised though.

Actually it is nice for people who will play the odd previous generations game but the majority of people prefer to play games that were made for the current generation. So backwards compatibility or emulation while a value added feature is not a console seller or even essential for the PS4 and even the XB1 for that matter.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

If it meant I could play The Warriors and a few other titles I'm all for it.

They're not ruling out the idea, that's for certain.

[dboyman]

If Sony does the PS4.5 thing, they should have a sku with built in Cell/ RSX processors then we would have our PS3 BC everyone is asking for...

[nitus10]

It is possible to add previous generation hardware to make backwards compatibility possible on the PS5. However if this adds too much to the price of the PS5, BC or even emulation which has potential litigation risks, won't happen.

Of course it may be possible that Sony my bring out two SCU's one with hardware/software BC with PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 game disks and the other with only BC for PS4.

Somehow I doubt the BC for PS1 though PS3 SCU will be that popular especially if it costs US$50 to $100 more although it will sell to some. PS4 BC for the PS5 assuming it has x86_64 architecture is definitely possible.

[dboyman]

PS1 BC and maybe PS2 can be done by software, but least have PS3 hardware due to the crazy Cell processor

[scark92]

I would like backwards compatibility just for the headphone jack on the ps4 controller.

[nitus10]

What do you mean? I can plug in my headphones into the DS4 and it works, however my headphones don't have a microphone so the connector I use is what is called a three pole 3.5 mm jack.

If your headphones support a microphone you can plug a four pole 3.5 mm jack into the same socket and it will also work. You actually have a single bud headphone and mic which comes with your PS4. You can even use voice commands although I can usually find and do what I want quicker then I can say it.

In addition to my normal headphones which I normally use on my PC I also have a Sony wireless headphone + microphone which works on my PS3 and also my PS4 via a USB dongle.

However my Sony headphones have a four pole connector cable which also lets me plug into my Dual Shock 4 and the headphones plus microphone work off that. I don't use the headphone's battery when I use the a three pole (not microphone) or four pole (with microphone) cable.

Note: To have the microphone work you need to set this up via the PS4 menu. There is plenty of on-line and even YouTube help on how to do this.

Basically if your headphones don't work then you really do have one weird set of headphones.

[Dark_king]

I think he's saying he wants to hear his old games through the headphones on the controller.

[BillytheBarbarian]

BC is awesome. I play Gears 3, Shadow Complex, and my Streets of Rage collection in between Fallout 4 sessions.

Also, I can play online without having more copies of the same game. One digital version works on both consoles at the same time so my son and I can play together on separate TVs. Very convenient.

[Naughty_Cloud]

What I want to know is WHY isn't the PS1 on the PS4??? PS3, PSP and Vita has it.

[MRJefferson]

Those who say PS3 emulation wouldn't run on ps4 because of architecture that's not true at all, the hobbyst emulation is not working on PC because they who develop that emulator they don't know everything about ps3 architecture, they don't have enough time and members for that unlike sony, sony knows everything about cell and ps3, ps1 and ps2 there is simply no emulation for ps4 because they want to shell the same games all over again. The first ps3 was BC then later sony decided to cut off that feature because sony said: "Most of PlayStation user no need BC"

[nitus10]

The first PS3's basically had the PS2's hardware in them so they were backwards compatible and could play pretty much all PS1 and PS2 games. The PAL version of the original PS3 was a mixture of hardware and software emulation so it could only play flawlessly approximately 90% of PS2 games.

All PS3's can play PS1 games to almost 100% backwards compatibility.

Having the PS3 backwards compatible did help transition PS2 users to the PS3 since they could play their PS2 games while the PS3 library was built up, however this came at a cost.

When Sony took out the hardware that gave the PS3 PS2 backwards compatibility they reduced the price of the PS3 which enabled them to sell more since by this time the PS3 had a much larger library.

Having BC at the start of the console generation does help sell consoles however both the PS4 and the XB1 were not backwards compatible at the start of the generation so the gamers who liked to play their previous generation games kept their old console.

Moving forward two years. If sales are anything to go by the XB1 having BC for some XBox360 games did not result in massive sales although I will admit that it is a value added feature but a console seller no.

[jstark]

It would be easier for sony to emulate 360 games than trying to emulate ps3 games

[esmittystud101]

If PS4 would worry about features for the console instead of all this "gimmick" VR development, we may get BC and other features one day. The Xbox team doesn't have this "gimmick" hassel, they already went that route with Kinect and lost, they got wise, ditched the "gimmick" and moved on. So what is the Xbox team doing now? Giving us great features on the console. The exact opposite of what Sony is giving us.

This is why VR is a virus on PS4 console community at the moment. Yeah, us guys that relize that VR is only hurting the PS4 and not adding to it. With consoles sales doing very well. I really don't even think Sony is worried too much about added features to the PS4. VR is only holding up the additional features like BC coming to the console.

I don't want you working on VR, I want you adding B.C. to PS4. Bottom line for me.

Before a "VR" desciple starts getting mad. Save it, I'd rather have great added features on PS4, then them spending there time and effort into VR, a headset that my friends dread me playing while there at my house sitting next to me. Could you imagine your buddy trying to watch you play that next to you? Snooze feast. Gimmick.

[nitus10]

You do know we have PS3's which can play all PS1 and PS3 games. Ok only the first generation PS3's had backwards compatibility to play PS2 games.

I would say if sales are anything to go by you are very much in the minority for wanting backwards compatibility for PS3 games on the PS4 and if pre-orders are anything to go by the PSVR is going to do really well when it comes out.

Personally I would rather play current generation games on my PS4 and for when I have a nostalgia kick I have a backwards compatible PS3.

So keep up the good fight I am sure you will find a few people to agree with you but the majority won't.

[esmittystud101]

PS3 are still $299............

[jstark]

Instead of crying and wishing for backwards compatibility just go out and buy a $100 ps3 http://www.gamestop.com/ps3...

[S2Killinit]

Seriously. As if anybody has the time to be playing old games they already own and played. If i REALLY want to play an old game from last generation that i havent played yet, I just rent it on PSNow.

[jstark]

or do that. whats also funny is that people are willing to spend upwards of a $100 for DLC/season pass's,etc for a single game but are not willing to buy or rebuy a last gen console to play their favorite last gen games

[esmittystud101]

They don't offer it on PS NOw streaming garbage

[nitus10]

I do think the people who are winging about the PS4 not having BC for previous generation games probably don't have those games any more or have sold their old console.

So if a miracle did occur and the PS4 was made to play PS3 games those wingers probably would not have the old games to play on it anyway and expect Sony to make those games available for free.

[esmittystud101]

pre owned and refurbed garbage

[frostypants]

The who dev? Oh...gamingbolt. LOL.

[cyber_daemonx]

Just another reason to concern troll PS4, this is gamingbolt after all. PS4 not having it has made jack difference tbh just as xbone having it has made jack difference.

Too busy playing current gen titles to be bothered about bc and if I ever do get an urge to play last gen games I just fire up my PS3 which I still have. BC is a nice feature but neither essential nor a system seller.

@esmitty, really. PSVR is a virus? you'd much prefer to have bc? Doesn't make sense really. PSVR is going to offer brand new experiences in a much more immersive environment than has been possible till now. To even compare Kinect with vr is pretty stupid really as that truly was a gimmick was very limited and didn't even work as advertised. Seems like the article you are just concern trolling and probably don't even have a PS4 tbh and like most of the xbone fans worried that PSVR may become really popular, which going by the preorder figures looks like it probably will. If you are that bothered about bc on PS4 just buy a PS3. Simple really. No need to be so bitter lol.

[joeorc]

Agree, and for one xbox360 games are still on retail shelf, while playstation 2 games are not!

That's also why people that keep pointing out BC between Sony and How Microsoft has it is not the same thing.. Its one thing for a company to make backwards compatible system with the old previous cycle systems games still being sold @ retail.

Its another to ask another company to make a emulation program with a legacy system where the games are all sold 2nd hand only.

PS4 did not have a ps1 or a PS2 or a ps3 chip included into the system.

[corroios]

What we wont are new games! Games that run perfect from day one, games with cool SP and MP.

Last generation was the longest ever and what i want is next gen games with amazing visual, story and gameplay.

More, it doesnt have any impact except here on N4g, because it didnt change nothing like so many «news» were saying.

[ziggurcat]

PS4 doesn't actually have BC, so why would he wish it's the same as Xbox One's?

[nitus10]

Having BC at the start of a console generation does help sell the latest console however it has been shown if sales are anything to go by being able to play your previous generation games two years down the time track is only a value added feature and not a console seller.

It would be interesting to know if the people who are winging now still have their games from the previous generation and if they did why did they get rid of their old console?

Of course I could also ask a similar question of XB1 gamers and I do think the answers would be pretty much the same as PS4 users in that they prefer to play current generation games over older generation games.

Sure XB1 players do have the value added BC feature now two years later and it would also be interesting to know if those same people still have XBox360 games.