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Ubisoft's The Division Sequel Should Use Microsoft Azure Cloud To Expand Gaming & Universe

Thekingslayer.com "One of the best aspects of playing a game you've anticipated for so long, is looking forward to its future. Sequels if you will are supposed to build on what was successful before. In the case of Ubisoft's The Division a sequel would be a life saver. In fact the title should be one of the first third party games to make use of Microsoft Azure Cloud gaming technologies. Massive the developer of the title, could work hand in hand with Cloudgine. The tech company working with Realtime Worlds on Xbox One's Crackdown 3. To make sure that everyone gets to play, Playstation 4, or PC gamers should ask Sony to join in. By working with Ubisoft and Microsoft the game could represent the first true reason why Cloud gaming is the future that gamers need. Obviously conflicting business or egos could get in the way, but a title like The Division is one of the first gaming titles that could truly benefit from Cloud technology and it can be done like this...

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dirkdady3401d ago (Edited 3401d ago )

As an IT person I can tell you Cloud gaming is another fancy word for distributed hosting data centers, which have existed for many many years.

Yes services like Azure or probably the most relevant cloud hosted solution in the industry - Amazon AWS, offer canned API or in some cases like AWS PAS (platform as a service) where you could spin up multiple application tiers all in the cloud makes development easier. However, most large companies like Ubisoft have their own data centers and their RFI would also show that it would be beneficial to invest internally vs going with a hosted solution.

Goldby3399d ago

Cloudgardian letmeplaysa. remember boys and girl, twist and flick

freshslicepizza3401d ago (Edited 3401d ago )

ubisoft will not invest that kind of data center needed around the globe like apple, microsoft, google and amazon would. we are talking billions of dollars of investment here.

and let's not even get into your credentials because let's be frank, it doesn't matter. nobody is going to post their picture next to their diploma and their n4g account. i could be anyone.

this is about cloud computing,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

this is about azure,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

"Along with Amazon Web Services, Azure is considered a leader in the IaaS field."

dirkdady3401d ago (Edited 3401d ago )

Billions of dollars? Wth are you talking about. They already have data centers. Most major corps have racks of blades to house private user data. What do you think houses all that uplay crap? It's all virtualized instances of servers in a rack.

All they would have to do is to create whatever custom API via web service WSDL or other middle ware tiers like TIBCO.
it is convenient for small dev shops if they go with hosted solution if thy don't have the infrastructure but as I said a company like ubisoft already have that in place.

In the cloud hosted solution from the commercial and federal side majority stake is in AWS not Azure. The U.S. Gov even has two major zones contracted via AWS to house PHI and secure data in the north east regions that most agencies connect to use.

Graph showing Amazon AWS maketshare gobbling up Azure, Google, IBM, Salesforce:
https://www.srgresearch.com...

donthate3401d ago

dirk:

Your graph is misleading on many levels

1. the graph shows Azure grew 164% whereas AWS only grew 49%

2. even in absolute terms, Azure seems to have gone from being a fifth of AWS to a third of AWS in a year

3. this is revenue, so if you are foregoing profit for growth i.e keeping prices lower to gain marketshare it will show up as misleading in this graph

4. this graph is now almost two years old now....

Which ultimately hides the fact that if you already the leader, which AWS undoubtedly is, as your customers grow in your datacenter you typically grow with them.

For instance, Netflix started with AWS long time ago and have now transitioned completely to AWS. This is a huge client that eats up an average 30-40% of the world's internet bandwidth as they have grown exponentially.

What is more interesting to see is how many new customers each IaaS gets while the other numbers are nice, they aren't reflective of actual customer growth.

rainslacker3401d ago (Edited 3401d ago )

I believe it was in 2011 or 2012...Ubisoft started migrating from 3rd party servers to their own infrastructure. I remember it, because there were tons of issues with some MP games, and tons of DRM issues for their UPlay crap.

While I doubt Ubi will ever invest in that infrastructure as much as Amazon, Google, or MS have in theirs, they obviously see reason to have their own servers.

The quality of those servers is another topic IMO, however, it's hard to imagine they'll pay MS for what they built their own servers to accomplish.

dcbronco3401d ago

If it's cheaper to do this in-house why are Amazon and Microsoft's cloud services growing so fast while dropping prices just as fast. In a business worth hundreds of billions it would seem in-house saves large corporations hundreds of millions. Yet they choose Microsoft, Amazon and others to do this for them.

Game developers don't have the money to run large scale server databases themselves. Better to relieve yourself of the employee benefits, office space requirements, employee specific taxes and liability for information breaches. In house is better for you, but not the company.

dirkdady3401d ago (Edited 3401d ago )

All major corporations own data centers. It is an absolute must especially if you house private user data that has to be stored somewhere hence the term data center. If you have the infrastructure, developing the hooks to spin up instances of whatever virtualized tier is not that costly.

Virtualizing lets say a middleware platform that can handle requests/responses just require a WSDL to be created that will fetch data crunched on virtualized data severs.

Charybdis3401d ago (Edited 3401d ago )

Xbox live compute is free for developers on xbox one.
It is a good option for smaller developers who simply dont have the resources available to build, maintain and secure distributed hosting data centers around the world.
For big (multi platform) developers with the available resources it might be beneficial to architect their own system in order to fill their needs.

rainslacker3401d ago

Sometimes it's cheaper to outsource such things. Beyond the hardware, there's the other costs involved like maintaining property, and an IT staff to handle it all. Those can add up quite quickly.

Sometimes it's just more convenient to have something that is already working, instead of spending a year or two building up one's infrastructure.

For companies that aren't huge on the data scale, it makes more sense to outsource, because it's cheaper, whereas if you use a lot of data, it can be quite costly to run through a 3rd party service as they rate on bandwidth, and if they have heavy usage then they could get rated on that as well.

Individual game developers don't typically run these types of servers...although they'll likely have some server for internal use, however, the publishers are worth billions of dollars, and have a vested interest in building and maintaining servers. Things like Azure and Amazon Cloud may become more viable or economically sound for these publishers in the future, but for the time being, since the publishers are investing in their own, they will likely continue to use them.

URNightmare3401d ago

With how unstable Xbox Live has become, that would be a disaster!!! Wasn't it down for like 3 days in a row just this past week? Even Snoop Dogg has complained about Xbox Live's issues....

https://www.instagram.com/p...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/...

Kiwi663401d ago

Yet people could still play online so it couldnt've been that big of a disaster

zerocarnage3401d ago

Don't know what your talking about but I've been able to get online all week..

rainslacker3401d ago

Ubisoft isn't known to have the most reliable servers. Even with XBL being down for three days, that's better, and overall, the whole of Azure wasn't down, so Ubi would be as susceptible to such attacks on Azure as they would be on their own servers.

Artemidorus3401d ago

People disagreeing with this comment because they speak the truth, more Xbox fanboys in denial once more.

Lennoxb633401d ago

You're no IT guy if you don't know the difference between hosting servers and cloud compute. FOH.

ULTp0ltergeist3401d ago

As an IT person you should know better that Azure for gaming is not cloud gaming but cloud compute. Cloud gaming is PS Now where everything is rendered on the servers and then streamed. Cloud compute is literally using the internet to render in-game resources. So if anything it's not just buying servers and rendering for the hell of it like streaming something, these are specialized servers with the Azure platform designed specifically for it.

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OoglyBoogly3401d ago

Cool let's talk about the second one as if the first one's come out already.

Aenea3401d ago

No, they should not. People still think it is so easy to add this stuff to a game and that it can do anything they can imagine. It's not as simple as that. It can be used to offload certain physics calculations but won't help making games look better, be bigger, etc.

The article writes about persistence in the game world, you don't need Cloudgine for that, plenty of games have had that already, but you have to wonder if that is what you really want. Say I blow up a certain building you could've gotten into with many levels of the building to explore but by blowing it up nobody will be able to get into that building for all eternity. Is that the sort of thing you really want? After a year the city would be just rubble :)

spoonard3401d ago

More than two years in and people are still believing that "the cloud" is going to change their gaming experience...man, Microsoft sold a whopper and you are still choking on it.

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Report: Inside Ubisoft's Project Renaissance, a Cancelled Minecraft-Like Voxel Game

In recent years, Ubisoft has canceled several games, one of them being a project code-named Renaissance.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain14d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198113d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK12d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts12d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK12d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT16d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits15d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel115d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic15d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN15d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel114d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica15d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14915d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga14d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania15d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts15d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7715d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7715d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts15d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7715d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb15d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow15d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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1Victor15d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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