DMC: Devil May Cry Deserved Better – Rebooting Fan’s Hate

Pixelgate.co.uk writes:

''Fans can be great. They can enhance franchises, allowing creators to get an idea where the next game is heading. They’ll purchase a game without question, supporting it to no end. But what happens when those same fans become overly attached to a franchise in decline?''

[Momo118]

the beautiful art style alone deserved better

[PixelGateUk]

The night club level is awesome, the switches in styles is just a treat on the old eye balls

[Shiken]

It is not that the game was bad, it was that DMC never needes rebooting. They should have continued on where DMC4 left off. The potential was there and the game screamed for a Link between Virgil and Nero.

DMC reboot would have been better off as a new hack and slash IP. I think this is what pissed fans off the most.

[GamerGaming]

I played it recent and was pleasantly surprise how great it is after reading through all the hate.

[PixelGateUk]

I think a lot of the hate was based on sheer love for the originals. It's understandable, but still doesn't reflect the game's quality

[jeremyj2913]

The game would have done a ton better if it wasn't related to the Devil May Cry name at all.

[vickers500]

I didnt "love" the originals, and I hated it. One of the douchiest main characters I've ever played as, got it for free on plus and deleted it an hour and a half later, couldn't stand how obnoxious "Dante" was and how lame the attempt by the dev was to make the main character appear "cool", "hip" and "rebellious".

Too bad, as what I've seen of it, I really enjoyed the art style. Too bad it was wasted on a game with such a horrible main character.

[Ezz2013]

It's a great game on it's own...but not great DMC game when it come to story and characters....gameplay was pretty fun though.

But I mean look at what they have done to Dante
he became the *Twilight* Dante,GODDAMNIT.

[DarkOcelet]

Ninja Theory did not respect the fans and they kept insulting them. The game was great but the way they treated their fans, i say they got what they deserved.

[PixelGateUk]

I agree there was a few barbs fired towards the fans that didn't do them any favours. Maybe it was down to frustration, most of us will never know what it's like to pour your self into creating something for years only for people to shoot it down based on a hair cut (initially anyway)

[DarkOcelet]

They want to make a different haircut, fine. But dont be an @sshole about it.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I mean WTF is that? Why put that in the game? Why are you aggravating the fans who will buy the game by putting this $hit?

[SamPao]

@DarkOcelet Because its funny.
I laught louder than I should have at that moment.

[Blastoise]

@DarkOcelet

I think you're taking that joke a bit too personal. Especially considering the character in question. I found it pretty funny

A cheeky reference to the fans outcry? Yes.
An insult to the fans? Not at all

[Clogmaster]

His hair turns white in the end anyways, so they just conflicted themselves.

[-Foxtrot]

The game wasn't really that great though. It's a DMC game and it took a step back on everything past DMC games have given us

Combat
Difficulty
Designs
Style
Platforming
and so on

The characters were awful, the story was bad, the game was slower. It just wasn't a DMC game.

The fact is when it came to reviews, journalists just magically forgot what made a DMC so great, making out it was a better when it wasn't. Still today I think something fishy went on behind back doors.

They never got involved with the hate the game was getting until a month before it came out and suddenly every site was saying the same things, defending it.

When you have that page GamerGate dug up with all the reviewers talking to one another about what they were going to talk about within their sites it makes me think that was one of the topics.

I'm sorry but when a game has a HUGE established structure to live up to, as well as the franchises firm roots then you should review the game on that aswell. If the game doesn't feel like it's part of a franchise it's supposed to come from then points should be deducted.

[DarkOcelet]

Lets hope that Capcom makes an Actual Devil May Cry 5 after this. The series has been gone for quite a while now.

Also Kamiya said he has no problem in making DMC5 so they should just ask him to make the game.

[PixelGateUk]

It certainly has faults. The last few levels are a bit naff and the story is kinda meh.

I enjoyed the art style for the most part, but i'm a sucker for those 'hidden messages' type things like They Live. Some of the level design was brilliant (to me anyway), the night club level and Bob boss fight are the two that stood out.

Enemy design was a little flat too, i still enjoyed the game and found it to be more enjoyable than both DMC 2 and 4

[PixelGateUk]

I'm not going to lie, when that happened i kinda laughed. It reminded me a bit of the Incredibles when they're talking about Capes (i know it's a odd link but it happened).

It was a risky move to put it in there for sure though

[Cy]

Gameplay aside, the game was terrible. Tameem turned Dante into a self-insert fanfic character. This would have done much better as a new IP, instead of an unnecessary reboot.

[bananacrust]

Ninja theory didn't fail fans. It was Capcom. they were trying to ride the Twilight wave with their revamped Dante.

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

I dont care what anyone says the gameplay was A BLAST. Decent story . Characters were ok. The levels were great also

[Adrian_v01]

I'm not sure you played the previous games correctly if that gameplay was blast to you.

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

I have played DMC 1, 3, and 4. DmC still had some great gameplay regardless of the others.

[gangsta_red]

I liked the gameplay and style of the game. But compared to the originals it was a poor imitation.

DmC only emphasized the differences between japanese and western takes on a franchise. Capcom's Dante was cocky, witty and just a bad ass, Ninja Theory's Dante was a complete douche who relied on vulgarity to appear bad ass.

[jeremyj2913]

Exactly. Spot on about the character differences.

[mezati99]

the game itself is Amazing, i really enjoyed my time with it, but that Godawful Dante...just why Ninja Theory?

[pompombrum]

They turned one of the most bad ass characters created in gaming and turned him into something straight out of the Twilight movies and to top it off, Ninja Theory were an absolute disgrace to the fans. The game didn't deserve better, it got precisely what it deserved.

[Miss_Vixen]

I'm in the minority here, sure the game doesn't offer anything new nor reinvent the series, but I still enjoyed what the game has to offer.

I would love for another entry of the series to make a return on this generation's console.

[-Foxtrot]

OR...they could just make DMC5 and please everyone

[PixelGateUk]

Dante Vs Dante

Super Devil Brawl 64

[00]

no matter how hard game journalist tried to kiss their ass fans knew it wasn't their games, instead of trying to force the "wider audience" they should have focused on the ones putting down the money first. ninja theory and Capcom got what they deserved.

[Pancit_Canton]

Capcom should have made Platinium Games or Grasshopper Manufacture make it.

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

How could the Devil May Cry franchise be on the decline when the second installment was the only bad game in the series? DMC did some things right mind you, the platforming was great, the art style for the world and monsters were more nightmarish as well in a good way. I also liked the soundtrack as well (I own it actually) but Ill never said that it was "needed" because Tetsuya Shibata outdone himself in the fourth Devil May Cry.

The problem is the series didn't needed a reboot just an upgrade to certain elements of other games. Dante's redesign wasn't needed, the simplification of the controls wasn't needed, reducing the difficulty DEFINITELY wasn't needed which lead to some lazy enemy design (specifically the Fire and Ice Demons).

The weapons were the worst in the series easily compared to it's predecessors but the "They Live" angle they took with the story was pretty amusing (yet very similar to Devil May Cry 4's story as well albeit it was more religious). I'm not going to touch on Dante's "too edgy" attitude along side the other cardboard cutout characters moving the story along however, I did love Bob Barbas and really wished that there was more combat on his stage in general.

In the end I felt the game was more Bloodrayne than Devil May Cry and tried to fix way too many things that wasn't broke to begin with. The game was great mind you but I won't lie to myself and say its better than anything other than 2. If the name was changed, no one would have guessed that it was a Devil May Cry game......

[Godmars290]

The problem was that DMC4 was a title long in development, yet still came off as being half completed. The move to HD was in full messed up swing, Western devs were dealing with it as badly as the Japanese, not admitting it, and Capcom thought it would be a good idea to let Western devs who had no respect for the IP make a game.

[jeremyj2913]

Most of DMC4 was tossed as soon as the game was moved to multiplatform. It being the first game in the series on Microsoft's console was the reason for Nero's creation and inclusion. Originally it was going to be another Temen-ni-gru type story set in a cold climate and was supposed to mark the return of Vergil.

[Clogmaster]

They tried to make a reboot, but in the end, they made a game very similar to DMC2. Same kind of villain, colour palette, setting, and even enemy design.

[Godmars290]

This s**t again?

After ignoring Team Ninja's arrogance in not only bad mouthing fans in response to complaints but the original series, then the remastered version of the game which addresses complaints, defenders of the title *still* believe that the game should be given another chance.

Sure. Fine. But admit that devs were as much at fault as the gamers they were suppose to be catering to.

[PixelGateUk]

'But admit that devs were as much at fault as the gamers they were suppose to be catering to.'

Marketing and sales was never the subject in this post, if you can be fussed (i wouldn't blame you if you couldn't mined) there's a bunch of posts on the site from 2014 pointing out how the Devs behaviour was pretty awful PR

[Godmars290]

Then what's the point of talking about giving the game another try? Its never going to be accepted as being part of the main series, and more than likely if there's a DMC5 fans of DmC:DMC are only going to toss a fit that its not DmC:DMC2.

Nevermind the point that the updated version more than confirms that the original had shortcomings.

[PixelGateUk]

''more than likely if there's a DMC5 fans of DmC:DMC are only going to toss a fit that its not DmC:DMC2. ''

I highly doubt that, DMC: Devil May Cry didn't sell all that well. As for DMC: Devil May Cry fans throwing a fit...errr...i mean they'd be getting more Devil May cry either way. There's a fair number of people who enjoy both the originals and reboot.

[Perjoss]

Not this sht again

[PixelGateUk]

Stay awhile and listen

[Elda]

Loved everything about it! It was needed after playing 4.

[Eiyuuou]

I played it and kinda liked it.

Story: decent enough.
Music: not my cup of tea
Enemy and weapon designs: yuck... (Except the Arbiter)
Lvl design (aesthetic): good, but slightly repetitive near the end..
Characters: No. Just.. No...
Gameplay: decent enough.

Overall I'd give it a 7/10.. They should've just made it it's own IP and not slander the DMC name with it...

[LordDagger]

This whole article in a nutshell: "STAHP CRITICIZING DIZ GAME BECAUSE I LIKE IT!!!!@"

[Gardenia]

I never understood the hate. I played DMC1 in the early PS2 days and it was one the best game for the PS2 made

When they released the first trailer of DMC and young Dante I was skeptical, but it's a fun game to play

[SpiralTear]

Game had a great lock-on system. Oh wait...

[kupomogli]

Actually it did have a great lock on system. Even though the definitive edition allowed you to use the traditional lock on system of the previous games, I kept the options setting to use both and rarely used R1 except for very specific situations.

[skratchy]

I actually loved the original Devil May Cry, but 2 was such a let down. 4 is probably the best of the original series, in hindsight. I don't know, I really like what they did with dmc. It wasn't quite old school Devil May Cry, but it was fun as hell and I loved the art style.

[kupomogli]

Going by the topic title alone(quit reading the article less than halfway through,) I agree, DmC Devil May Cry did deserve much better and imo it's of a similar quality of DMC3, in some ways better, in some ways worse.

The storyline is one thing that sets it apart from the previous entries in the series and DmC's storyline as a more realistic mix of DMC 1 and 3 along with They Live make it one of the my favorite storylines in video games. Additionally, while I did like the original Dante and Vergil, and highly disappointed at first with the change, the characters were bada** but not really likeable otherwise. You couldn't really relate with Dante in the 1 and 3 because he was just a bunch of silly one liners. All the characters, not just Dante and Vergil had more to them than these cheesy one lines that Dante had and the quest for power from Vergil. The storyline was cool on DMC 1 and 3 back then, but looking back at it, you realize how bad it actually is.

With Dante, DMC3 had the best combat, and while it's very good in DmC, it doesn't quite reach the level of DMC3. On DmC, it's really heavily focused on the angel and devil weapons at certain points what with sometimes not even being able to hit the enemies without using the correct weapon. When you're playing in the higher difficulties, there's always a few of the flying shield enemies and every time you see one of the wolves or the skeletons, they're always colored and always packing a shield, really making combat a bit of a nuisance. If you play it on hardcore on the definitive edition, the enemies hit harder and they attack twice as fast, making those shield bearers a bit more difficult.

DMC3 has a lot of annoying enemies as well though, the chess board is a nightmare on DMD difficulty and some of the enemies like the ectoplasm enemies will just test your patience. They're not difficult, they're just some crappy enemies.

Vergil on DmC though imo is a much better character than Vergil in DMC3, just in how he plays. He feels like he was made from the idea of how the past game characters were built with short combos or single attacks rather than the flashy combos of DmC Dante. He's difficult to play as and your hands will be aching after long sessions, but he's also a lot of fun to play as as well.

Another thing DmC(Definitive Edition especially) has on DMC3 is the Bloody Palace. Vergil's Bloody Palace is exclusive to the Definitive Edition so that's another plus on that. On DMC3SE, I just didn't like playing through Bloody Palace. It wasn't until DMC4 that the Bloody Palace became good and Ninja Theory worked that way into DmC. I do think Vergil's Bloody Palace starting on Nephilim is more enjoyable, as starting on human then devil hunter on Dante's makes the first 40 floors a joke, but regardless it's enjoyable to play through.

Another thing is that DmC Devil May Cry is more accessible at the lower difficulty levels and is the kind of game that would get the casual gaming scrubs that video gaming is known for now days into the series. This may sound a bit harsh, but let's be serious. Most of the people into video games now days are scrubs, that's why people can stand to watch Angry Joe(amazing guy, but he is terrible at games) on Twitch. Not saying everyone is bad at video games, but there's more poor players out there than good ones and the barrier for entry on DmC is much better than the original DMC or DMC3.

[strike101]

I liked DMC... i just don't like how Dante and Vergil was portrayed...