The Division vs GTA V vs Fallout 4: A Map Size Comparison

"Prepare to be impressed at its size. Here's how The Division stacks up against the giants."

[Kalebninja]

Fallout 4s map is hardly considered giant.

[frostypants]

No one said it was. But it's generally considered to be a fair size.

A game map doesn't have to be huge. It just needs to be big enough and contain enough content. Look at Just Cause 3: huge map...but so much of it is pointless.

[bleedsoe9mm]

i don't get why people would rather run a few extra minutes between events , its about content not size . we'll see how the division stacks up after its released .

[Psychotica]

Well it needs to be big if there are flying vehicles to use. I also find it fun to explore and find the hidden items in the large open world.

[solar]

@bleedsoe9mm

ugh, running or going across the endless nothingness of the maps in Arma, DayZ, and H1Z1, i hear ya on the content is what i want.

[sanosukegtr123]

Fallout 4 and gta 5 is big enough

[LAWSON72]

I disagree about Fo4, IMO Fo3 had far more content and overall it felt much larger. Fo4 is a great game but the main issue I have is it feels like there is not nearly enough unique places, stories, items and people compared to its predecessors NV and 3. I keep wanting to play the game but I literally feel like I am out of awesome stuff to do after 125+ hrs.

[KosherNostra]

These comparisons are never helpful. One game has vehicles, another has subterranean areas, and yet another has indoor environments. Apples and oranges.

[gamer9]

Fallout and Division both have no vehicles and subterranean areas

[KosherNostra]

I can't tell if you're saying neither have underground levels, or if Fallout has them, too. If it's the latter, it doesn't change my point that comparing maps (especially GTA's) isn't really helpful.

[zidane1341]

They have the metro underneath the city, so yes Division does.

[BlahFlahNo]

The division has sewers and a subway

[gamer9]

@kosher, yes but he specifically said in the video that GTA 5 is not a good comparison. Did you watch? Both Fallout and The Division do have underground levels and indoor environments, so i think the comparison is a pretty good estimate and gives people an idea that at least the Division map isn't tiny. Which is good news

[KosherNostra]

If it's not a good comparison, then what are we all doing here? Why make the video?

[SonyWarrior]

gta5 has underground subway aswell and indoor environments....

[frostypants]

It's also hard to judge scale or distance, and what liberties devs took with walking speed, perspective/camera tricks, etc.

[gamer9]

Except that he very clearly outlined how long it takes to run across both maps – does anybody watch videos these days before commenting on them?? Lol

[slinky123456]

It's just a comparison so we know the size and scope of the game. GTA is added to it cause more people are familiar with it and is one of the biggest maps out there for a single player game.

[sephiroth420]

I think they should compare Just Cause 3 instead of Fallout

[frostypants]

Why? Action game with vehicles and ginormous empty wilderness with almost nothing going on in between populated areas, vs. foot-based RPG-oriented game with map that only needs to be big enough to pack in all of the content (and thus no huge empty wastelands). Fallout 4 and The Division both fall into the latter category.

[sephiroth420]

oh yeah i see your point, i just wanted to know how big just cause was compared to the others, it does feel a little empty at times :(

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Just Cause 3 is like 8x bigger than GTA V... so why? lol

[gamer9]

Wow, same size as Fallout 4 map – that is great news

[smolinsk]

Fallout 4 map was disappoting small, so yes The division map is stil small.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Well thank god we resolved this issue! Seriously... the division felt more than big enough.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. That was a great video! Its not about size, but about what you do. I'd rather have a GTA that was one of the smallest, but also had the most indoor areas in the series.

I think they just want to add focus on the concept vs the size, what does that size even really mean if its just endless nothingness?

[rynodigital]

It's not the size that counts, amirite fellas?

[dillhole]

Conclusion: All 3 games are pretty big. People complained pre-release about Fallout 4 not being big based on some early measurements but it feels big when you're trying to get across it.

[Kingdomcome247]

I don't understand this infatuation with map size. I'm a bit weary of exceedingly big maps that force devs to attempt to flesh it out with content, which more often than not leads to monotonous copy and pasted content, or just large swathes of nothing. I'd much rather have a world that's built wherein every section serves a purpose by being filled with content that either serves to drive the narrative, or to expand upon a gameplay mechanic. All of these open worlds become tedious after a while when they are big, "Just Cause". (Pun intended) The person above that mentioned Just Cause 3 gave the perfect example of a game with a map that could stand to cut out at least 50% of it's geography. I like Tomb Raider's approach, and I also prefer more open ended linear style levels such as the recent Wolfensteins, and the perfect example for me would be Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I can't wait for Uncharted 4... room to explore some, a sense of scale that feels open, but everything will be placed with a purpose. I just don't know who has the time for all of these open worlds. I am never against more content, I just feel as though it's actually diluting the quality of some games, and hampering devs ability to create actual meaningful content, because everyone seems to feel as though they have to have a big open world as if it's a barometer for quality. To see people's infatuation with size in games you need look no further than people on here who have laughably presumed that a game will be quality upon seeing the reveal of a large install size... Lol.

[Lonnie18]

Why didn't he run for all comparisions? Stupid!

[DasTier]

This is literally what I was about to post, not sure why you've gotten disagrees.

[Apollosupreme]

Because he attempted to win a debate and not simply present facts for us to decide.

[Apollosupreme]

When you factor out the areas you cannot traverse in Skyrim, Fallot 4 is compatible in map size. I personally was satisfied with the Fallout 4 map size.

Perhaps people expect a larger map size for The Division because it's an MMO. Perhaps the blogger should have used better comparisons such a WOW or FF or SWTOR or Planetside 2 or 7 Days 2 Die or Dayz or Ark?

[Goldby]

cannot traverse in skyrim..... you never jumped did you? i fell outside the known map too many times jumping up the mountains :) of how i missed my 3 ft dwarf elf with a pink hat and fireballs that shot from his nips