Ready At Dawn: "We Just Have To Make A Better Game Next Time", and "We Will"

The Order 1886 from developer Ready At Dawn was criticised by a majority of reviewers. While the game was praised for its visuals and weaponry, the 3rd person action-adventure has some serious gameplay, and story issues. According to Ready At Dawn’s Andrea Pessino, the team just needs to “make a better game next time”.

[FallenAngel1984]

This game still sold pass 1.40 million units so I'd say it was commercially successful. It's still viable for a sequel since there's an audience who supported the game.

Either that or make a new IP or continue their success on making games for pre-established franchises.

[UltraNova]

I'm definitely interested for a more robust sequel. The setting and story were too good not to build up upon.

[PeaSFor]

the studio created an amazing in-house engine, looking forward their next project.

[Bansai]

setting and story has potential for more, they just need to VASTLY improve in the gameplay department.

[thekhurg]

I want a sequel so badly. I enjoyed almost everything about The Order. With a few tweaks here and there and a little more variety in boss encounters and it would have been perfect.

Such an amazing story, really appreciated the work they put in weaving their story into history. The Jack the Ripper stuff was just genius.

[SmielmaN]

The game was good. Just needed better pacing and smoother story telling. Graphically it was insane. The guns were very fun. Just felt like it went slowly along. I didn't mind it though. Don't know why there was so much hate for it.

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@PeaSFor

Well, just because the game looks amazing doesnt really mean its a good engine that will give them flexibility. Look at Destiny for example, overall its a very good looking game, but everything we have learned recently point to being an absolutely awful engine in terms of development which has lead to the completely poor expansions and overall lack of content.

So hopefully the engine they made does allow them to push their creativity in terms of gameplay to match those amazing visuals and really interesting setting

[nveenio]

I would love to see a sequel to this. I really liked The Order, and it's on my replay list for the next slow period between triple As. (I'm still working at Fallout 4.) The hate this game got was completely unjustified. It's like saying FIFA is crap just because you don't like sports games. Hopefully Ready at Dawn is not too discouraged, but rather uplifted that there was a substantial audience who loved their game.

Also, ALL companies should focus on making a better game next time. (Especially the teams behind Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty.)

[Realms]

Having finally played the game recently I can see why some people had legitimate gripes with the game. However the potential is there to make a great game they just need to focus on the gameplay first because the story was interesting and it could potentially become a great overall game if they put it all together.

[forcefullpower]

All my friends loved this game the only time I hear about the hate is on the internet. We all agreed that it been the best next gen IP to come out so far.

The background and the idea of the games is top notch. All they need to do is build on top of that. Add in a longer campaign add a multiplayer mode. warewolf against the order would be great.

There is so much potential with this IP it just needs a different director to make it more of a game as well as cinematic experience.

[guyman]

While i agree most of the hate has been the internet, it definitely isnt the best new ip this gen. It doesnt need a new director, it needs a new focus and that focus should be on gameplay now that they have constructed an engine, story and setting..

[rainslacker]

I enjoyed the game. It had it's issues, but the only serious game play issues was there needed to be more(both variety and amount), and some decent boss battles. And the only story gripe I can see be valuable was that it was rather intrusive to the game play.

Other than that, it was a solid game, and a good foundation for the future of the IP.

I do have to disagree that it's the best new IP this gen. So far for me that would fall on Until Dawn. While it too was story heavy, and the game play was more minimalist, it was a very engaging experience. There might be other new IP's that are better, but Until Dawn just stuck with me more.

[PizzaSteve]

Most of those sales are most likely from price cuts. It was $10 during the Halloween deals. 1.40m looks good to me too but how good is it for the developers. Like Tomb Raider a great game but low sales and it will pass 1m soon from price cuts but how much profit will actually be made. A game like COD can make profits from price cuts cause more units sales weekly and DLC.

Anyway what I know. I don't have a business degree. :(

[thisismyaccount]

A better game next time? How about you read/follow the forums, see what´s IN or OUT and based on that make a new game?

You clearly didn´t do ANY research at all, by not adding any type of multiplayer to a SHOOTER in 2015 is for most out there a deal breaker.

The Order was okay, not a 60 and not a 30$ game. Too short and too much of the same, but you obviously didnt bother with it after launch anyway.

You could have worked on a patch to include a multiplayer since the game launched, but you didn´t. You stopped caring, nor did you release a dlc... accept it you f# up big time with Sony´s $$$.

[nunley33]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think a multiplayer mode can be patched in after the fact, that wouldn't happen with any game. There's been games that were delayed to tack on a multiplayer mode but not the other. Accept your butthurt and only dream of graphics like that on XBONE. I look forward to a sequel that'll have an uncharted 2 level overall leap over the original.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I think the lack of multiplayer was laudable and showed the developers resolution for crafting the best single player experience that they could.

Tombraider's multiplayer was so unnecessary and poor, it almost detracted from the overall experience.

I hope again for a sequel that does not include multiplayer.

[Salooh]

They had a vision for their first game and they were focusing on it. They achieved great things and you talk like they did nothing lol . Think of The order as a prototype and you will see how great the potential they have to create a masterpiece..

They just need to create tools of the feedback they got for their awesome engine and that alone will guarantee a great experience.

[GarrusVakarian]

I'd say they have to actually make a game next time.

AMIRITE, GUYS!?

[nunley33]

Right!!!

[Eidolon]

If The ORder: 1886 isn't a game, then neither is Heavy Rain, Until Dawn, Beyond Two Souls, Telltale Games, they're just interactive shows.

[Saithraphim]

It had so much potential, and the idea of the game and the marketing is what sold it. I defended it too until i played and i realized there were problems with the gameplay. Even they charged $30 for it out of the gate it would have been a different story

[Disagree]

the two letters that are the most unnecessarily and overused in gaming.

[Azzanation]

Sales don't justify a products quality.

[hellothere1977]

you conveniently forget to add the logistics in those sales numbers. it didn't sell 1.4mil units at the regular $60 price tag. games like GTAV that sold mils did so with at mostly msrp of $50-60. those are number to boast about and revenue that will justify sequels.

the Order sold maybe 100-200k units to suckers at the initial price. the rest of the sales came from huge price drops ($30-40), which means the game earned MUCH LESS than a 1.4mil unit shipped status will lead the uninformed to believe.

in short, i doubt the developer and the pub are in the black over this game. don't forget the relatively large marketing campaign that was spent on advertising this game.

[u4one]

Who cares how much it sold if it's not fun. High sales don't make it better. And besides...when this game came out, there weren't a ton of exclusives available on the ps4 and also add the fact that more people bought it later at much cheaper prices.

I personally bought it out of a lack of options and curiosity of the graphics. I was over it quickly. If they can make a sequel that's actually fun and focused on gameplay over cinematics then sure. I'd be down to give that a shot.

Look how much fallout 4 has sold in the short time it's been out (over 12 million copies across platforms)- that's due to the fact that's just simply a good game. Imagine how much the order would have sold if people actually liked it - especially at the time it was released.

[Edvin1984]

I enjoyed it a lot with all the short comings.. I am excited for a 2nd one if they made it the story was pretty good.

[mzupeman]

It's definitely sold enough to make a sequel viable, but it's still not going to happen. Sony are not willing to deal with another entry, and that's a direct result of all the negativity that flooded the internet just prior to release and beyond. Hell, Ready at Dawn planned on doing DLC which would have hit in the fall, but thay went off the table, too.

Unfortunately, a lot of the hate from this game came not just from legit purchasers of The Order, but people who never even experienced it and decided to parrot all the hive-mind hatred that was being thrown around. Hopefully, in the future, people will understand this can directly affect the future of a game series and its respective developer.

[EyeAmTJ]

it was hyped thats why it sold so much

[xtremeimport]

Just beat The Order. I loved it and I really hope they get a sequel. Some areas to improve on, but its not like the game was a steaming pile of shit. It played quite well and had an amazing story.

Its setup perfectly for another. Just hope they expand on what they have and keep what was done right.

[jc12]

I honestly thought the game kidna sucked. The graphics were great - as was the atmosphere. Aside from that though, the gunplay couldn't have been more generic. None of the guns were particularly exciting. The pacing was horribly uneven and frustrating. Human enemies were terribly uninspired. Cut-scenes were not skippable. Ducking behind cover was often frustrating as vertical visibility was limited. Stealth missions would automatically result in a fail if you were spotted, as opposed to an onslaught of enemies and an attempt to battle your way out. Werewolves attacked in a repetitive and predictable manner. Boss fights were always the same and amounted to little more than a QTE fest.

Ready at Dawn needs to inject more passion and intensity into the gameplay. They also need to tone down the long and heavy handed cutscenes in favor of more concise storytelling. I have no problem with the established engine, atmosphere and characters for the most part. But please, focus on adding a certain measure of intensity and focus that was sorely missing the first time around.

I suspect most will down vote this comment because...well...that's what people do on N4G when a PS4 game is criticized. To those people, I would say, there's a reason why this game received rather lackluster ratings. There's no need to run to its defense. It is what it is: a marginal game.

[showtimefolks]

sadly they are no longer with sony so if there is the order 1886 sequel tha it will most likely come from someone else

maybe the 2nd team over at ND can handle it. just imagine

[Gwiz]

1.4M a success?Not really.

[Rookie_Monster]

Every developer deserved a second chance. Hope they can learn from the flaws and lessons of The Order 1886 and make a great game next time up.

Insomniac made a similar mistake with Fuse and then proceed to make a great game in Sunset Overdrive. So it can happen to the best of them and a turnaround is definitely possible.

[Mr_Writer85]

They just need to focus.

I like the story and characters, I like the gun play, there just want enough of it!

The game felt almost too linear, like the stealth sections. No real hand to hand combat, and too much walking and talking.

They need to get tips from ND on mixing it up. TLOU had everything, story, graphics and gameplay and whilst linear it felt like you had some freedom.

The good thing is The Order got Story and Characters right, the guns where also fun to use. I'd take a hit on graphics if it means they can do more robust gameplay like real time hand to hand combat and stealth sections without QTE or having only 1 set path.

[ShadowKnight]

I wonder will the order ever get a sequel in the near future and who will develop the game?

[uth11]

Uncharted and TLOU are linear and feel linear. I don't get why that's fine for Naughty Dog but a design sin for this game.

[Nivekki]

'Uncharted and TLOU are linear and feel linear. I don't get why that's fine for Naughty Dog but a design sin for this game.'

Because they are supremely better games. It's not rocket science. You shouldn't even mention those games when it comes to The Order, it isn't even fair.

Let's face facts, it just wasn't a great game. It's got nothing to do with a 'biased' media, or a 'hateful' media, it just wasn't that great.

It was made out to be a great game but it ended up not being one.

Case closed.

[rainslacker]

I agree. I think R@D is a good developer overall. Their games before TO were solid and played well. The new game played great, and they showed they can craft a story. The scope of the game I think was too ambitious for their first major outing, and I think that coupled with the game engine development caused this game to be delayed internally, which led to a lot of things not making it into the game which probably would have made it even better. About half the criticisms for this game seem to stem from things which, to me, were so obviously cut due to Sony just saying there needed to be a code lock, and that the game needed to ship.

I would assume, that if given the chance, they could make a second game, without the worry of building a game engine from the ground up, and actually implement the ideas that they had in mind, because I feel what they did get implemented was top notch....except boss battles, but that too seemed like a last minute "get it in the game" type thing as the game play of those parts was just so basic compared to the solid nature of the gun play in the rest of the game.

[gangsta_red]

It's good to see that R@D even acknowledges their game's shortcomings when others won't.

The Order is a perfect example of flash over substance and that no matter how pretty something looks it won't make up for lack of gameplay, content and most important of all fun.

That being said these guys obviously have the talent, they just need to put that talent to good use.

[ziggurcat]

Oh, I think there were plenty of people who enjoyed the game that were able to recognize its shortcomings. It certainly wasn't perfect, but I hope even you can recognize that it did not deserve the 2-4 review scores some sites were dishing out, regardless of your own personal thoughts on the game. I think 6-8 is a much fairer range for this game.

[gangsta_red]

@Ziggurcat

There were many people who either dismissed or didn't acknowledge any of it's "glaring" shortcomings. A lot of gameplay designs would have been ripped to shreds had this game come from Activision, EA or any other pub/dev.

Review scores shouldn't matter and they have nothing to do with the points I felt or made about the game.

[SouthernComfort]

Seems like there was a massive campaign to call The Order something it wasn't, then lambaste it for not being those things.

On top of that, plenty were willing to write off any and all the game did well to play up its shortcomings.

Finally, many insisted that the game was not fun for anyone, even though they had been part of the group criticizing the title before it released and they ever touched it.

[magiciandude]

IMO, The Order 1886 is GOTY 2015 because it's a new Sony IP and it just has so much potential just like every single Sony IP out there. The graphics are extraordinary, and the game runs smoothly without a lot of glitches that plague many games. Even though the game was short, you can easily make the game longer by searching for collectibles or spend some time in the photo mode. The very best part of the game IMO is the torture scene at the beginning, but there are other memorable parts of the game like the two identical boss battles. R@D made awesome games in the past for the PSP, and they have the talent to make a nearly perfect game for the PS4!

[Gazondaily]

Glad Pessino has gone past the stage of 'oh you don't get our game ' to finally recognising the several shortcomings in The Order. Best of luck

[ApocalypseShadow]

It has it's shortcomings.I would have liked to be able to interact with background objects because the game looks so d@mn good that I want to destroy stuff with guns and grenades.

I don't care for having multiplayer.

But for $10 on a digital sale, those mustaches and beards are worth it. And the graphics have me looking around and looking around looking at every detail of their programming craftsmanship.wish there was more exploration of the city because the art pulls you in.

Hope they get another shot and bring it to Naughty Dog levels.

[Nodoze]

Too funny I did the same thing! The setting, characters, artwork, voice work were all top tier. The next title needs to be longer, more story fleshed out during the game and a bit more tweaking on the gameplay front. It will be a hit for sure.

[Fro_xoxo]

I hope we haven't seen the last of The Order, I like the concept.

[UserNameIsNotTaken]

Indeed. It just needed to be longer and with more gameplay.

[mac_sparrow]

Exactly, was only discussing this with my wife last night. We went in to the order knowing what to expect, but many weren't happy with the style. I think with a few tweaks to give it more mass market appeal that 1887 could be an excellent continuation and succeed commercially. We shouldn't forget that while it faired much better in reviews (almost overwhelmingly positive), and I personally loved it, the original uncharted wasn't seen as anything like as phenomenonal as number 2.

Time for Sony to show support, bring on 1887.

[uth11]

I just finish the original Uncharted last night in the Drake collection. The Order was better to be honest

[hellothere1977]

@uth11

comparing a PS4 game to a PS3 game? Nice "Apples to Carrots" comparison you got there.

[Rimeskeem]

Literally, if they made The Order around 20-25 hours long harder difficulties, made the play harder, and open the world up for more exploration. I know it sounds like a lot but I think it would be worth it to Sony to I've them another chance.

[ninsigma]

I disagree with 20 to 25 hours. It doesn't need to be as long as that imo. Bring it up to uncharted length or something like that. Opening up the world is something I can get behind even though I had no problems with the linearity in 1886. I thought gun play was pretty solid and I'd like if they didn't deviate too much from that but certainly in terms of gameplay as a whole add more mechanics in and change those monster fights where the lycans hide and charge at you. Better boss fights too. I didn't have a problem with the boss fight but using the same fight twice and as the last boss was pretty lame.

[guyman]

So the game needs to be 30-35 hours? well that doesnt make sense for the type of game it is.

[YinYangGaming]

Gotta cut these guys some slack considering it was their first AAA console game but damn did the order let me down, hope they can turn things around and pump out a better game next time (whatever their next game will be)

[Scrivlar]

I think they're onto something with this world they've created. The game was flawed but still enjoyable for what it was, It suffered from massive hype, I found the same with "Ryse: Son Of Rome". I hope we see a sequel with better gameplay and a longer story and I'll be happy personally.

[IWasHere]

The reviews are stupid. The Order: 1886 is great for what it is - an interactive movie. Many thought it would be an TPS but The Order: 1886 isn't a TPS. It's a game which has its focus on story telling, cinematic story telling. This goal the game reaches without a doubt.

Sure, AI in this game is average and replay value is low. But it's nevertheless an exciting game that's worth playing.

[ninsigma]

I agree. I think a lot of people put a lot of unrealistic expectations on it that the devs never said to expect. People though it would be playstations gears of war but that was never its purpose. Generally people who went into the game expecting a linear tps story focused game (which is what it was billed as) were pretty satisfied with it. Certainly wasn't a disappointment for me anyway.

[Gazondaily]

I don't agree at all. How can you blame the fans here?

Even as a linear tps story focus 'game', it had several shortcomings. How this was anything beyond a disappointment to some is beyond me but hey, each to their own...

[ninsigma]

I'm not talking about fans I'm talking about reviewers who cropped all over the game before they'd even played the thing. And I'm talking about fanboys who took lies and rolled with them spreading misinformation. Yes it has short comings but is nowhere near as bad as the hate bandwagon would have you believe. Considering its a brand new franchise and knowing what I was getting (being an informed consumer) I was no where near being disappointed. Halo 5 on the other hand being an established franchise and having similar shortcomings to the order, I don't understand how that game is anything beyond a disappointment to people.

[Gazondaily]

"Halo 5 on the other hand being an established franchise and having similar shortcomings to the order"

Eh? What similar shortcomings?

The Order was a pretty but hollow experience. It had no exploration, it had super restrictive gameplay elements, an abundance of stupid qte events, no real thought about its gameplay.

The only similarity I can see is the repeated boss battles?

Also, people WERE disappointed with Halo 5's campaign but the game also had a MP component wildly regarded as one of the best in the series remember?

Two COMPLETELY different kettle of fish. One is a terrible game the other has two elements, one not living up to the franchise's own lofty standards and the other excelling in it. Hardly a point of comparison.

[ninsigma]

Try the same amount of time to beat. The order was torn apart for that but halo wasn't. Yes repeat bosses of lying the order is twice while halo is 5 times. Order had one or two chapters that were cutscenes (which is fine for a story game) and was ridiculed for it and halo had two "levels" that were walk, talk to npc, next level. Not a problem apparantly. Not to mention the cod like style of play it now has. Add to that crap characters that the game could still be accomplished without because they meant nothing to it and a lacklustre story. A great mp mode doesn't recover its terrible story mode.

The order isn't "hollow". It has great story telling and the tps is top notch. It does need more gameplay, better bosses and a more open structure but the game played exactly how the devs said it would so I can't be disappointed. Halo 5 on the other hand was nothing like its marketing campaign and its trailers.

[Gazondaily]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

The storytelling and premise were naff. The pacing was crap. That stealth section was one of the worst and almost two gens old in its execution. Its TPS elements were tired and weak. Millions of enemies coming at you in droves, the lack of any real enemies?

The wolves that come at you, you press the same button to dodge and then shoot? Repeatedly? At least the boss battles in Halo 5 were actual firefights and not utterly bland and lazy qte prompts.

And the enemy variety? Shotgunner that sponges bullets?

I don't get it. The Order to me is nothing more than a VERY bad game. I dont understand how people enjoyed it but people did. Halo's campaign, as poor as it was, is still better than most fps campaigns out there.

The Order was panned critically for a reason.

[ninsigma]

I agree with you on the wolves. I liken those sections to dead space 3 sections but the ds3 sections were done better. It has a great premise and a lot to build on, it definitely didn't fall down there for me. The tps was rock solid and very satisfying to play, just needed more of it. How are the tonnes of enemies any different to any other game?? Halo 5 had loads of sections of "we can't go further until all of theservice things are dead". It's no different. It's not a very bad game. Is there less to it than a lot of other games?? Yes, no denials here but with a great story and great gun play it made for a very decent game. It didn't have the wow factor some games do but it doesn't have to. It was just a good game and I came out of it pretty much satisfied that I got what I expected and enjoyed what it delivered. The reason it was panned critically was because it got clicks. It was tmother thing to hate. Same thing happened at the start of the generation with ryse which was another game that was better than the attacks it got.

[rainslacker]

I don't feel it's an interactive story. You really have no control over the direction of the story as it plays out exactly as it's meant to based on the script.

It is most definitely a cinematic TPS, and the game play elements in this vein are extremely well done, despite a somewhat clunky cover mechanic at times. It's not really a fast paced TPS like many are today, as the characters move around more like real people would, but it is TPS none the less.

[Scrivlar]

I wouldn't say it's exactly an interactive movie, But let's just say it is for arguments sake, there are still TPS bits in it though that could've been massively improved, I'd say TLOU is a good representation of how good the gameplay needs to be with a story driven game.

[scark92]

Was not a bad game, not worth the price though...

[Nodoze]

I paid 19, and am totally happy with purchase.

[Mr Marvel]

I borrowed it from a friend for a weekend, got the platinum trophy and enjoyed the game. (great value! lol)

I'd seriously consider buying a sequel though.

[scark92]

That's exactly my circumstances! Plat and everything! I would feel regret if I paid full price personally, money don't come easy!

[Rodney25]

Solid gunplay, amazing graphics it was just missing something to take it to that next level. I wasn't expecting anything amazing but I can say I fell asleep during some parts. It has potential though it really does. Maybe if we were able to use the weapons in other was that aren't shoot this guy.

[Ickythump31]

I liked it, but yes it was short me and a buddy beat it in one sitting on hard, took around 7 hours maybe.

[darx]

Game!?

[Rachel_Alucard]

They should just remove the word "better" from the quote.

[ninsigma]

The order 1886 wasn't even a bad game. It had some shortcomings, possibly deriving from going too far into the cinematic world. Of course every sequal aims to be better than the last but I'd rather they didn't go into a sequal thinking they completely screwed up the first because they didn't. Some things were not right in 1886 but some were so improve what was good and change what was bad. Overall it was a great experience for me but I would like to see a sequal that builds upon the good of the game and learn the lessons of what didn't work.

[OB1Biker]

It was definitely made with a sequel in mind from the start. I felt it ended on a cliffhanger and the main plot and character development were left for the sequel.
I really enjoyed it though I must say reading so much crap on the internet spoiled a bit my first playthrough and I enjoyed better the second.

[ninsigma]

Without a doubt. Looks like they have a great story in mind. I didn't read any of their nonsense. Most of them were crucifying the game before they'd played it so I knew I couldn't truest any reviews (not that I ever do). So I enjoyed first time. Glad you got to enjoy one of your play through though!

[hellothere1977]

don't see how they will accomplish that...even IF the gaming fairies decided to grace them with another opportunity to make a sequel.

they were given large sums of cash to develop this game. no way in hell Sony will front anywhere near the same amount for a proven failed IP. you're telling us they'll produce a 'HIGHER AAA QUALITY" game with an obviously certain and much smaller budget?

uh, sure. unless the team works for peanuts, that aint happening.

[ninsigma]

"you're telling us they'll produce a 'HIGHER AAA QUALITY" game with an obviously certain and much smaller budget?"

I'm not telling you anything. I'm say if they made a sequal which they haven't announced.

They've also already developed their engine so they don't need the funds for that so realistically they could actually make a game of at least similar graphical quality with less funding. Graphics are there, assets are there. They just gotta add new assets and new gameplay. The hardest part would be the new cutscenes but all of that needs no where near the funds needed to build their engine.

[iceman06]

Much of that dev time and cash went on a brand new engine. That us now complete. I am sure that there are plenty of assets laying around on some server that can be used or tweaked. In all actuality, it might make MORE sense to fund a second game because there would be significantly less overhead this time around. Still a risky venture. But, not as risky as the original because there wouldn't be as much invested overall.

[Majin-vegeta]

Cant wait.Hopefully they do justice if a sequel comes out.The ending left so many options.

"I am no longer sir".

[Thomaticus]

I thought the game was good the gameplay was good overall, however the game failed when it came to those werewolf battles. That was supposed to be the main part of the game the height of all action and they didn't execute those section of the game to be the best part of the game in my opinion. They put a lot of work into the game and into building the IP... they have to give it another shot. There's more than enough information from reviews and forms detailing exactly what issues they had with the game. All they need to do is make a longer game, bigger environments, and werewolf battles must be better, not repetitive.

[ninsigma]

Yeah werewolf battles were actually the worst thing about the game. They were like some dead space sections but weren't executed as well.

[JuJuRMJ]

I hope that they continue the order's story, I would like to see more of the world and its characters explored. Maybe their next next title will be their "Uncharted 2" here's hoping.

[Mr Marvel]

The foundation for a top notch game/sequel has been set imo.

Personally I enjoyed The Order 1886 for a quick playthrough & platinum trophy in a weekend.

[FoxyGotGame]

I enjoyed The Order 1886 a lot. I played it twice, and got the easy Platinum Trophy.

I would definitely support a potential sequel that was several hours longer, with improved combat instead of QTE boss fights. Sony own the IP, so it may not necessarily be developed by Ready At Dawn /

[Relientk77]

The Order was pretty good, so I'll be watching them for their next game

[strickers]

I liked it. It had a few easily solved problems. Visually, it still hasn't been beaten.

[PizzaSteve]

For their 1st big console title I think they did a great job. Just add some more talent to the team. They did GOW great on PSP. Maybe Sony should let them do Heavenly Sword if Santa Monica is working on other projects.

[gnothe1]

my wife bought me this game for my birthday.a month later I traded it in an only play about an hour of it....then it went on sale for cheap on the playstation store so I couldn't pass up adding it to my digital collection...I bougt the order an j stars victory...

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

Just give me a sequel with 10-15 hrs of more action packed gameplay a few new characters and less cut scenes and maybe add a decent multiplayer and boom you can have a really good game! But unfortunately I don't think Sony will fund a another game.

[cd1]

I enjoyed The Order, it had its flaws but what game doesn't nowadays?

[jobboy]

played and loved this game.

[Hold_It]

Sorry but 1886 seconds of gameplay doesn't justify a $60 purchase.

[Condemnedman]

Was this a game or interactive experience?

Answer on a postcard

[NotanotherReboot]

Just make Daxter 2, since that game was actually well received.

[FunkyGoron]

This was a good game if you got it for the right price. I bought it at launch and got my Plat and enjoyed my time with it. I sold it for $30 earlier in the year so I felt like I got easily $30 enjoyment out of it.

Good story and characters and setting... lackluster "time" spent in the world. I beat the game and got everything... then there was no reason to go back. Couldn't select guns at any point, no modifiers to make replaying the game fun, etc.

[TwoForce]

That's right i talking about. Believe in yourself, RAD. Everyone make mistakes, but we can fix it. It's not too late.

[HOOHAARR]

I like the game and have played it 3 times so far, well worth the £18 I paid for it!

[Ausbo]

I view this game comparable to ryse for Microsoft. Beautiful game however extremely criticized. Most people who actually played the two games had a great deal of fun with them.

[ninsigma]

Ryse was also better than the hate it got. Only worth the one play through for me and I thought the order was better but it was a decent game and you're right in your comparison.

[L0NGSHOT28]

The game wasn't even that bad... people have gotten too cynical.

[Skankinruby]

This is a prime example of why I no longer value the opinions of reviewers. This game was a lot of fun, the gameplay, story, and visuals all complimented each other perfectly. I'll definitely buy the next one day one and not listen to the criticism and wait for a price drop.

[T2X]

I thought it was great. The game just needed a few elements to be more fleshed out and expanded upon. It definitely was not 5 hrs long. I'm pretty good at games in general and I took at least 8-9 hours and that's plenty enough for a linear one player game. I hope the make a larger sequel, I'll be in.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

RAD certainly will learn from the mistakes in The Order and whatever their next game is, it will be better for it.

[babis1974]

i liked it,it was beautiful..i could have been better...

[JasonBloodbourne]

Get rid of the QTE's and make it 3 times longer minimum, job done for the sequel

[quaneylfc]

No you actually HAVE TO MAKE A GAME, not a video.

[Wizziokid]

The only issue I had with the Order was the length. It was a pretty damn good game for me and I would be happy with a 2nd game in that series.

[TheTwelve]

If the game was longer, many of the complaints would have been insignificant.

[Kalebninja]

I thought the game was good and I think the price is what affected a lot of peoples opinion. If they're going to take what they did with game but scale it then it could be something great.

[Ayunir]

And they need to drop that stupid forced examination of an object thing

[Moe-Gunz]

I liked the game and would like to see a sequel.

[esmittystud101]

What kills me is players bag on this game for its game length when other linear games are shorter than this and took no flack like The Order 1886 took. I know it had more than the usual cut scenes, but other games are just as short as this.

example: Ryse: Son of Rome - 9.5 hours in length on average

Until Dawn - 8 hours in length on average

Mortal Kombat X - 4.5 hours " " "

I don't own The Order 1886, but I'm sure I will one day. I'm keeping an open mind on game length meaning just because its short doesn't make it a bad game.

[audiocafe]

Man...well RaD I enjoyed your game.

[Npugz7]

I loved the game.

[JWiLL552]

It's sort of a weird game to talk about...

I never found the gameplay itself to be "lacking". The player movement was surprisingly smooth and a bit quicker than I had expected based on previews. Even the tiny bits of climbing and traversal were pretty good.

I thought the cover system could use some fine tuning...but the third person combat itself felt extremely responsive. Usually with a 30 FPS game you expect some wonkiness with the shooting, but the aiming and reticle responsiveness felt incredible.

There just flat out wasn't ENOUGH extended gameplay sections. That was my biggest issue. Some of the shootouts were so visceral and fun...and then they were over.

They clearly have a ton of talent at that studio. Now that the engine is built I hope we see a focus shift on creating more interesting gameplay. I don't expect an Uncharted 1 to 2 level leap, but it's not completely out of the question.

[Soldierone]

Really all they need to do is add more actual gameplay to the game. Everything in the game was great, it just lacked gameplay. It was mostly walk here, watch movie, play 5 mins, repeat.

[kenwonobi]

It's funny. People seem to enjoy the game. Then you get to the internet and we have all these fanboys and the occasional fanboy reviewer and all the sudden that is where most of the people with problems exist. Either with the reviewer themselves or the Xbox fanboy. Not with PlayStation gamers though who enjoyed it. Seems like the same with Killzone Shadowfall. While it isn't the best Killzone it was also gorgeous and fun to play. Again with Driveclub. These are all games despite the reviews and other games out at the time still sold in the millions. Odd such mixes reviews yet high sales. Unless the fanboy and reviewers are full of crap. No that couldn't be it could it? 😊

[ScaReCrow90]

High sales because it was well advertised.
Poor reception because none of its mechanics was fulfilling or well done.
Shooting was poor, ai was dumb and annoying, storytelling was lacking and character depth was needed.

Backstory and graphics were the only things that people liked.
It's still in a perfect place for a sequel as it has huge potential.

[corroios]

I like the game, story and guns. It needed only to be bigger and could have somekind of multiplayer surviver.

We all know that PS4 exclusives must always set standard and others get way with everything.

the game runs very well, doenst runs at 18 or 20 frames, got amazing atmophere and animation.

[Wallstreet37]

I beat and enjoyed it. Yes the game could have been much better especially the Corny boss fights. I also enjoyed the gunplay but it was very minimal in the game and wish they made the majority of the game around it.

They have built an awesome engine and just need to focus on the gameplay that shined in the order and drop the horrid boss fights and implement better ones.

[DeToX420]

They need to go back to the drawing board. That game was trash in every aspect except visuals and story. They obviously have some talented people but they made one boring ass game. I do not want a sequel I want a new ip.

[Mkai28]

All they need to do is have a little more gameplay.. I don't see anything wrong with having quick time events, just don't want that to outweigh the gameplay.. Different with Crytek with Ryse as well. All they needed was a little more diversity in moves and weapons..

^ above at DeToX420, "trash in every aspect except visual and story" then it means it's not trash in every aspect. :D

[FN4GM]

I feel bad for RAD, victims of a fanboy/console war, they should hold their heads high they created an amazing game despite all the attempts to smear it.

[kenwonobi]

It a sad because they obviously have skills.

[WiiU-Dude]

I don't give 2 craps what anyone says 'The Order' was awesome. I get so tired of people thinking every games has to be this or that. You want more action or shooting elements play COD. I thoroughly enjoyed the 'cinematics' and loved the QTE and FPS bits. It was gorgeous of course. I have hundreds of games I certainly don't need my games all being Xenoblade Chronicles X/Fallout 4 long!! I certainly could use a few more succinct games as long as they are extraordinarily done. This is one of those games that clearly didn't deserve the hate. If you didn't appreciate the length and lack of action, fine, but no need to trash it. Ready at Dawn, I can only hope you rock it again!

[ScaReCrow90]

Actually people didn't appreciate how slow and empty the game was. It lacked in every department except graphics....even there it had quite a few emugly textures and inconsistencies.

[skratchy]

The Order was interesting for sure. There was so much awesomeness to it (story, visuals, design, voice work, etc) but the gameplay was quite a bit lacking. I consider myself a Sony fan, after 20 years, and I'm not afraid to admit it could use some work. At the same time though, this essentially was RAD's first REAL game, so props to them for trying to establish an interesting and promising new IP.

[BABY-JEDI]

A beautiful game that was a bit over indulgent on the graphics @ the expense of gameplay focus. But this game/franchise has soo much potential, it deserves a sequel (with co-op) 😘

[killa_sam]

I found the game to be more than just QTE like people say but also had the great cover shooting like Gears of War but with better graphics. The only thing I want with the next one is 5V5 Multiplayer.

[ScaReCrow90]

The cover shooting was not like gears..gears cover mechanics are actually fun and strategic.

[ScaReCrow90]

Well why didn't they make a better game the first time around.
I'm all for the story world and lore but it wasn't communicated well.

Even if sales were decent the game was still a failure...not to all but most players.

[AstroCyborg]

if sony isn't forcing them to make a movie then it will

[BlackIceJoe]

Was I the only one that liked the game? I thought it was fun and different. I'd be all for a sequel, but maybe that is just me.

[trainsgofast]

I agree with them 1886 was a sub AAA game, Not 1080p, bad NPC AI and bad boss AI with a ok story.

[jb227]

If 1080p is a qualifier for "AAA" then the only "AAA" games on consoles are indies & remasters of last gen games, and very few of those to boot.

Kinda tired or this completely subjective definition as to what makes a "AAA" game...it used to be much more clearly defined, but it's nearly impossible now, so that archaic mode of thinking needs to be done away with...in 2015 when a game like Rocket League are at the top of many people's best of lists, we should all agree that games are games. Qualifiers like this just stand to keep people from experiencing quality gaming. If someone only purchased "AAA" titles this gen they'd be left with nothing to play outside of the holiday period, and judging by receptions of many of those games, they'd be disappointed with their experiences.

[mEATgrinder]

Get a grip man

[blakstarz]

I'm enjoying The Order myself...still haven't finished it, but I find it to be a good game. Definitely not for everyone.

[mEATgrinder]

You damn right that game was a stinker

[ziggurcat]

Have you played it?