The Sega Dreamcast 2 project are very much alive, say hello to “Project Dream”

Way back in July this year, I (Robin Ek, The Gaming Ground) wrote a post about the SEGA Dreamcast 2 petition page . Well, guess what? Late last night we were contacted by Patrick Lawson‎ (Lawson‎ a part of the new SEGA Dreamcast 2 super group, which consists of an indie OEM Silicon designer, the founder of the Shenmue 500K group, the SEGA fan behind the Dreamcast 2 petition and some SEGA of Japan interns), and he shared with us some really great news about the Dreamcast 2 project and SEGA with us (TGG).

[stonecold3]

would love to see this happened

[Simon_the_sorcerer]

Same here, and I still have my Dreamcast console ;)

[Gazondaily]

Man if SEGA get back into the industry... I would cry tears of joy

[zeee]

Ready to pre order. Like right now. I mean it.

[b163o1]

I think if SEGA got back into the game it would be the death of Xbox, and I know "What does that have to do with Xbox" but were talking about a company that goes way back, to a whole nother generation. SEGA name back on a console would sale like hot cakes. They grab up shares in Japan, Europe, as well as the states. Something M$ can't afford, especially after this generation ends. People would jump ship as they've done this generation. Lol I hope SEGA gets back into the console game again...

[rainslacker]

@b1

MS entered the market due to the death of DC. Before that, MS and Sega were teamed up so MS could have it's place in the market. When that failed, or when the writing was on the wall for it, MS started development on the Xbox. Much of what was in the DC made it's way to the Xbox, and many of the core principals of Sega's hardware vision of the DC were what MS used as the basis of the first Xbox.

[b163o1]

Oh.......I retract my statements.... (Quietly walks out room)

[kickerz]

I also still have my dreamcast . Man if this is true I am so pumped. You know what would be an amazing idea for the dreamcast 2.... If every single dreamcast 1 game was built into the hard drive. Hell yea :)

[garrettbobbyferguson]

@b163o1

Sega as a company is known for putting out mostly mediocre sonic games now. What makes you think that them returning to the console business would instantly cause the end of one of the three giants? While the dreamcast is a great system, I'm amazed at some of the comments stating they would immediately pre-order Sega's next console.

[TheCommentator]

Rain, I remember when I heard Sega was going software only, then MS showed the xbox controller with the color coded buttons and the jewel in the middle which looked like it would come off so a VMU could be seen. I thought for sure that Sega would partner with them but it never happened.

I don't know if the Sega of today has it in them to be a 1st party studio anymore. Most of their franchises like Sonic have dried up, with only a handful like Panzer Dragoon that would still drum up moderate support. I have a feeling that nostalgia will not be enough to carry them to a successful console business though.

[rainslacker]

@Commentator

I think at that point, MS didn't really have the need to partner with Sega, and MS probably had more interest in going it on their own. The fact that MS provided the OS never really got people excited, and the fact that MS pioneered DC's online component was never attributed to MS, so for them, Sega was getting most of the benefits of lower R&D, while MS was simply a B2B partner for Sega. It didn't achieve the goals they were hoping to achieve in the partnership, which was to be a focus in people's living rooms(something they stated before the Xbox division was ever created...and even before Sony announced the PS1. Sony coming into the market forced MS hand to move forward with their own console after DC was known to be on the way out, because at the time, Sony's name was pretty strong, and Sony was playing up the center of the living room aspect as well.

Anyhow, MS made their own way with the Xbox brand, and for that, I applaud them for not just ripping off everyone else completely. They brought a lot of good things to the market with the OGXbox, and while it can be debated that it would have come regardless of MS entrance into the market, the fact is, is they did push it forward faster than it would have been adopted otherwise. MS isn't all bad despite how I criticize them at times. I actually felt their partnership with Sega was good at the time even, because I knew that MS had the muscle to make gaming more mainstream, and the PC market was pretty strong back then. Unfortunately, I feel their partnership with Sega didn't really culminate into anything important for either them or Sega on the DC itself.

[b163o1]

@garrettbobbyferguson

Well considering that there are only 2 major consoles out there I feel as if SEGA could have a lot of potential. I say two major consoles cause know matter what people say or do M$ is NOT considered a major console. I say that cause they've only had one relevant console, the 360, which is stained with the rrod fiasco. Original box was weak with only halo. I owned 2 cause my first ate up my games, owned 360 for about a week before it caught the flu (rrod), never looked at the X1 cause why stay with a company that doesn't have reliable products. Never had any problems with Sony, and the only probwi had out of Nintendo was I had to blow in my cartridges on my original NES. M$ has a lot to prove to me in order to get my money again. So IMO there are only 2 MAJOR company's in the console game, with another that seems to always far short. But hey its just my opinion...

[choujij]

@rainslacker

Actually, Sega announced the discontinuation of the Dreamcast just days after Microsoft showcased the Xbox. While the PS2 was a runaway success, the Dreamcast wasn't exactly a failure until Sega chose to give up on it. Sega figured with MS joining the game and Nintendo coming off the N64, they would lose too much money to withstand the generation. Had they known the Xbox and GC would only muster up 20-25 million each, they likely would have continued on and probably would have ended up in 2nd place for worldwide sales. But hindsight is 20-20. And IMO its a real shame, as no other console had the lineup of quality of games like the Dreamcast did within a year and a half on the market.

Would love to see this happen.

[OCEANGROWNKUSH]

Sega did partner with MS after the death of the DC... most Sega games were Xbox 1 exclusive

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Coming from a huge Dreamcast fan if something like this were real and if it did happen it wouldn't explode like everyone would like it to mainly because of the current market of things Sony and MS machines are household names. Either way I'd still buy Idc I love Dreamcast

[bouzebbal]

so many hypocrits in here.
and just when DC2 is announced then it's automatically doomed.
I would like SEGA to release an HD Dreamcast instead.

@OCEANGROWNKUSH:
Despite being great games all of them (Jet Set Radio, Panzer Dragoon, Shenmue 2), they flop so hard each and every single one of them.
The series stopped after these releases, which is a pity.
I bought an xbox just to play these games (and DOA3 and Dino Crisis) but i believe these exclusivity deals are so clumsy.

[sonarus]

I would bet my money on microsoft before i bet on Sega. Console business requires BIG Money. Not sure Sega has enough capital for any significant competition. Unless they partner with google or apple or something.

[Sirk7x]

@rainslacker

Fun fact: The Xbox was originally planned to be backwards compatible with Dreamcast software. Many of the titles for DC that were in development at the time of its demise were moved to Microsoft's console. Also, the original Xbox was awesome xD Man, I miss that gen. Had a PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. Those were the days...

[TheCommentator]

Well said, Rain. Very informative post about the days before Xbox.

Choujij, Sega was 600 million in debt when the Dreamcast launched and within 18 months it had recovered 200 million of that debt. It was the misrepresentation of the specs of the PS2, coupled by the 400 million still owed to investors that spelled doom for the Dreamcast. What I mean by that is that while Dreamcast listed the fully lit performance of their machine at 3 million polys per second, the PS2 listed the raw polygon performance of the ps2 as 66 million.
So when the PS2 added anything like textures, lighting, animation, input, etc., the poly count would continue to go down accordingly. Additionally, the Dreamcast ran W buffering which rendered an extra filter pass on aliasing and made every game that had a PS2 equivalent look bettter than it's PS2 counterpart which only ran Z buffering instead. It was Sony who killed the Dreamcast with a smoke and mirrors campaign against Sega.

[MehmetAlperTR]

I want this to happen but i dont think it s DREAMCAST 2.. I think it s project of a new ( Old ) dreamcast game. But i realy want The Legendary Dreamcast to return.. :(

[Naughty_Cloud]

@TheCommentator I'm a big SEGA fan, but its was SEGA themselves that killed the Dreamcast. The bad blood between SEGA of America and Japan. The failures of the 32X, Sega CD, and Saturn all contributed heavily to early demise of the Dreamcast. Yes certain games on the Dreamcast did look a little better than early PS2 games. DOA2 looked better on DC. But the PS2 was a brand new machine, with developers just getting learning the machine. I hate it when people try to blame others for their failures.

[TheCommentator]

Naughty Cloud, I know that the Sega CD, 32X, and Saturn killed Sega, which is why I said they were 600 million in debt in my post. Seriously, read before you post.

Also, PS2 did kill Dreamcast with their PR campaign just like I said. You can go back and look at the sales data both before and after the announcement of the PS2. At that time, all the ignorant people looked at the list of specs Sony compiled to "compare" the two systems. People saw at the PS2 reveal that Sony claimed that the machine would render 33 times the polys, look like Toy Story, and then showed off that stupid "let's render nothing but a human head tech demo". People flipped out. The truth was that the PS2 could only render around 10 million polys in an actual gameplay scenario.

Sony killed all the positive momentum of the Dreamcast with one BS PR event, and that's the facts. I hate it when fans don't know what they're talking about, but assume that they do because they're fans.

[XanderZane]

I still have my Dreamcast, Saturn, Genesis (+32X & Sega CD) and the adapter for the SMS games. I have over 300+ games for these systems. This would be great if they could pull it off and get 3rd party developers on board. Wonder if they will do a kickstarter page or not?

[rainslacker]

@choujij

Yeah, I didn't know the exact time, but knew it came pretty close to one another.

That's why I said that "when the writing was on the wall". Sega pushed for over a year to try and make something happen with the console to get people to buy it. I think even soon after they released it they knew it wasn't sustainable, and no doubt, MS knew this as well.

The DC itself was actually alright, and yes, not really a failure, however it wasn't enough of a success to be able to get Sega where they needed to be. Their money going out through debt and operating costs wasn't being recuperated, and 3rd party publisher support was shaky after their quick turn around on the Saturn which left a lot of publishers upset.

I think MS knew this, and simply started working on their own solution. I can't say if MS and Sega were partnered for MS to take over the console business, and for all I know, MS may have just been willing to purchase Sega since Sega really was close to the point of bankruptcy. Whether they pushed their console out faster due to the DC being unable to keep Sega afloat or not I couldn't say, but the OGXbox was quite literally off the shelf components with only the main board and case being custom parts. It worked for them, because they had every intent to make DX a central part of the Xbox, and history tells the rest of the story.

I do agree that I wish DC had had more of a chance in the market. At the time, it was my favorite console, and still pushed the kinds of games I actually really liked coming off my favorite being the TG-CD. PS was good, and had lots of great stuff on it, but at the time, I was more into the kinds of things DC offered. Granted, PS2 offered much of this in abundance, so i didn't miss out or anything, but there really was only so much Sega could do, and they were in no position to go against the juggernaut that was Sony at the time.

@Sirk7

I heard that as well. But never recall reading any confirmed reports about it. I always felt it was just a rumor born from people's assumption of the partnership between Sega and MS. I may have missed the report though, so I'll take your word for it.

@TheCommntator

My memory of the marketing was a bit fuzzy from back then. I do recall Sony exaggerating, however I don't recall it being so significant.

One thing that I do feel hurt Sega's chances against Sony though was that the media was quite scornful of Sega at the time due to how they released the Saturn a few years before, and then dropping the Saturn so quick for the Dreamcast, despite the Saturn just coming into it's own. This coupled with all of Sega's hardware failures did make them somewhat of a joke when it came to releasing hardware, and obviously that would trickle down into the market itself.

Sega could have pushed back against Sony had they wished to, but they didn't have the means to really compete in such a manner. That was entirely their fault.

[Naughty_Cloud]

@TheCommentator Sony saying the PS2 could deliver Toy Story capable graphics was not the reason for the death of the DC. The immense success of the PS1, being the best selling console of its time, the incredible library and support from developers/publishers was the reason people were hyped for the PS2. It was SEGA themselves that are responsible for the demise of the DC. The could've still supported the system, but they pulled the plug early. It was all SEGA and no one else. You just handle the fact that SEGA buried themselves and try to find a way to cop out.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

Dreamcast was a beast!!! That 2k football still brings back memories :(

[magiciandude]

You and me bro! Played the s*** out of that game when I got my Dreamcast for Christmas with NFL 2K, Sonic Adventure, and Toy Commander. Still have my system and the games.

I would cry tears of joy for a Dreamcast 2.

[jonivtec]

So much to remember....Grandia II,Skies of arcadia.....Phantasy star online......let alone the online and so much more.The dreamcast should have succed its so sad.At least i only have good memory's of it.The VMU ;);)

[showtimefolks]

last time i read it sammy sega was worth over 4.5 billion dollars. not sure if that's enough money to come back into business

just like konami sammy sega is also focusing more and more on mobile(without treating their developers like konami that is)

would love to see dreamcast 2 but i just don't see it.

i would like to ask one question though:

do you think it would have made a difference if instead of launching the original xbox that MS bought the dreamcast name and launched a dreamcast 2 to compete with ps2?

just wanted to see what others think? IMO ps2 was so dominate that it wouldn't have mattered as much

[Bobafret]

They might have done better in Japan and abroad.

[DarkBlood]

Sega has a surplus but i forgot what amount it was, either way i believe my friend as he is a WAY bigger fan then i am and the fact that the dreamcast is the only one he got day one

[Fullmetalevolust]

Agreed, make it happen and I will back it up and buy it. They need to have Sega on their side. Without their support, this project is going nowhere.
They have an announcement in 10 days, wonder what it could be.

[3-4-5]

omg I would love another Dreamcast.

There is room for 4 consoles in the marketplace, and would put pressure on each one to deliver.

I'd buy em all.

[ABizzel1]

It would be nice to see it happen, but I don't see any room for a 4th console in the current set-up, and unfortunately I see it performing at best on par with Wii U simply from nostalgic buyers.

That being said, if they go in expecting to sell 10m tops, and design a business around that, there's room for it to be moderately successful depending on the cost and hardware.

Make a $199 console, with an off the shelf AMD A10 APU with 4GB of fast DDR3 (GDDR5 would be much better if possible while keeping that $199 price). That way it's affordable, powerful enough to run current games in 720p @ low settings and has the architecture to easily receive PC / PS4 / XBO ports, and should be able to run Dreamcast / Genesis emulation.

It can run most multiplat games in 720p @ 60fps low settings (which at this point are above PS360Wii U).

For example:

Star Wars Battlefront

720p @ 60fps, low settings on this setup (looks good enough to be next-gen)
720p @ 60fps, high settings on XBO (looks great)
900p @ 60fps, high settings on PS4 (looks great)

So it's not too bad for a $199 console.

[BeefCurtains]

I agree with this. It's already a bit hard on gamers to choose between PS4 and X1, or they have to buy both consoles to own all exclusives. Same thing with Nintendo in the mix. Add Sega, and that just really saturates the market, divides gamers even more, and only serves a small population of people who can afford all the consoles.

That being said, if Sega did enter the game, it would probably cause one of the other consoles to fall out of the running. Unless Microsoft wants their next console secretly under the Sega brand to improve their image?

[ABizzel1]

@BeefCurtains

I agree to an extent, but if anyone is forced to drop out it will more than likely be Sega. Again.

Xbox is safe in NA and they have a decent following in EU. Those are the two largest gaming territories and as long as they built a competitive console, offer exclusives, and stay competitive price-wise then they'll always have a market of around 50m - 60m gamers minimum (35m NA, 15m EU, minimum).

If anyone would be threatened it would be Nintendo, because Sega would be Nintendo's complete antithesis. Nintendo focusing on affordable, family, fun exclusive, and Sega focusing on affordable, core gaming, fun, with a few exclusives. This is where someone would have to fold, and honestly it's more than likely going to be Sega, but this battle would likely cause Nintendo to fold as well.

If anything Nintendo needs to work with Sega to make an even better case for the NX. Nintendo and Sega just seem like a good fit for one another. Sonic, Phantasy Star, Yakuza (PS fans would be upset), Monkey Ball, Jet Set Radio, Shinobi, The Conduit Team (help with Metorid), The MadWorld team (make a Captain Falcon beat'em up game), Virtua Fighter, Valkyria Chronicles (again PS fans upset), and the Sports Teams (help with Mario sports). Oh and Shenmue (I don't know what would happen here, but again PS fans likely upset)

This is just a good fit, and they can offer DC / SS / SG games via eShop for Power Stone, Nights, and more.

It would make a Nintendo console a much easier buy for many gamers considering you're getting the nostalgia of both Nintendo and Sega in 1 console. But keep the price in the $249 - $299 range.

[ABizzel1]

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

I don't understand what some people think when designing hardware. The i5 4000 series are great CPUs (i5 4460), but they're in the $150+ range alone. You still need GPU, RAM, a HDD (since it's rumored to have no disc drive), Motherboard, PSU, a case, and a controller.

http://www.tweaktown.com/ne...

The PS4 and XBO are retailing for $300, and the DC2 team has already spent half of their budget on the CPU alone. The rumored GPU is a GT 740, a $90 GPU.

So overall they're looking at $250 for CPU + GPU, at retail prices (since this isn't backed by Sega, they're probably not getting near the same savings Sony / MS / Nintendo get on hardware). The good news is they plan on launching in late 2016 - late 2017, so the GPU architecture will be replaced by

But the most ignorant thing about this is that the AMD A10 7850k APU offers the same GPU performance, less TPD than the current CPU + GPU combo, and has slightly less CPU performance, but only cost $130.

Why on earth would you go with the i5 and 740, when the A10 offers more than enough CPU performance and identical GPU performance at almost half the price.

If they go with that set-up they've ruined any chance for this, because at that point PS4 / XBO will be $249, and only die-hard nostalgic Dreamcast fans are going to want to pay $299 or more for a much weaker Dreamcast 2.

[MikleDemi]

I think everyone would. Their efforts in the gaming industry have been lackluster as of late.
I mean boy, the only good sonic games have been handheld, and I miss the guy.

[FlyingFoxy]

Would love it if they got to revive old classics like streets of rage, splatterhouse, desert strike, road rash etc.. They would have a lot of potential with exclusive titles for sure.

[Relientk77]

Whaaaaa

I'm game

[Simon_the_sorcerer]

I´m backing this if DC2 takes of for real :3

[FlameBaitGod]

Sega has a $11.6 billion in cash flow.... wtf D:!!!!!

[TwoForce]

I will support it.

[Fireseed]

The Dreamcast community doesn't really need this, we've already been able to homebrew our own games. As well as compile a complete library of every game released for it. My recommendation if you really love the Dreamcast buy a few to have in reserve just in case your workhorse dies.

[Simon_the_sorcerer]

I actually still have my Dreamcast console (and a spare one). Even so, I have to say that I really liked the thought of a Dreamcast 2. So I´m at least going to give the project a fair chance.

[Bobafret]

Go away with that elitist crap. This is for everyone.

[Fireseed]

Is it elitist to find a Dreamcast on ebay, or your local game store?

Or download a file and burn it to a CD?

Get outta here with your crap. Besides do you honestly think that either

A.) Sega would re enter a market so filled with uncertainty with a new console

or

B.) Spend R&D on a piece of hardware that does nothing but play a niche listing of retro games?

That's insane.

[Kalebninja]

I'm confused.. Is this a fan project? Are they petitioning for Sega to get back in the console game or is this just to play better versions of older DC games?

[donwel]

It looks like the dude heading the petition has some insider information from the looks of the message he sent to Robin.
There may be a good chance Sega are getting back into consumer hardware. The Sega boss (Haruki Satomi) said something about wanting to become a brand people can trust again and said they'd betrayed their fans since the 90's.
Certainly interesting anyway, I look forward to see where they go.

[jaycptza]

Vague as anything

[TWB]

When I heard about this some weeks ago for the first time, it sounded like they wanted a modernized Dreamcast that allows playing old DC games and would have an online service to purchase all DC games to the HDD.

Now for some reason it has turned into a rumor of Sega returning to console business after seeing this project.

Very unlikely and I doubt how well they would manage but like someone already suggested that maybe a weaker but easy-to-develop-to console could do decently.

[Killz4Twinkies]

Just to dive into that library is enough reason for me

[jonivtec]

The dreamcast was the best console i ever have but because of the boot disk the system fail .I doubt the dreamcast 2 can rival now and people wont buy it because of the flop the dreamcast was.I will support it if it ever release but it will probably be like throwing money in the garbage.Lets just hope im wrong.

[blackblades]

It's also the best durable console out. From watching the you tube video it beat all systems to date. I can also add on to that I rolled my system on the ground like a bowling ball and it still works till day. Best system, best games, and still one of my favorite consoles. If your wondering why I did that was because my dad was taking every system away from me and I got pissed.

[jonivtec]

Thats an interesting point;) On anither note Grandia II or Skies of arcadia deserve a remake or a treatment like FFVII but most people just dont know it;)

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

Signed up and will give support.

[squeezx]

Not a good idea...Sega no longer has the brand recognition it once did and I can't remember last time I played a good SEGA published game.
This would just be something for hardcore fans. It would fail on the market and would slow down development of multiplatform games.

[phantomexe]

You forget who sega owns now and the fact that sega owns some really great rpgs of there own. Sega has the ips. Almost as maney as nintendo.

[benji101]

I love Atlas but their games actually dont sell that well. Check out the sales results for this year.. Most of their games average between 20k and 40k. even on the 3ds!/

[phantomexe]

Nice id love to see this

[hiredhelp]

F@@@@ Yeh thats made my xmas welcome back Sega I think this time they not make the mistakes as before.
This is incredible news Nintendo and SEGA Sony Playstation wow future is bright old school comming back relive the 90s.

[Simon_the_sorcerer]

Personally, this was the best Christmas gift I could ever get (I´m a huge fan of SEGA and their consoles). At least, I like the thought of playing most of SEGA´s titles on the DC2 (kind of like PSN, XBL and so on).

[ShadowKnight]

I would definitely support Sega if this happens. It would also mean all the games Sega publish and develops will probably be exclusive like Sonic, Alien Isolation, and some other games.

[SegaGamer]

Hmm, interesting. If SEGA are serious about regaining the fans trust, then they have a lot of work to do.

Is there room for them though ? As you can tell from my name, i love SEGA ( Well, their games at least, i'm not sure i am a fan of how they work )so i would buy a new console if it was made by them without even thinking about it, but Sony and Microsoft are going nowhere, and Nintendo still have a pretty big following too. For the last 10 years, SEGA have only been losing fans. It's almost like they would be starting from the beginning, and with their history, it's going to take a lot of convincing to get people on board.

[Retroman]

this would be interesting. long as Dreamcast 2 software
not base on open world only format games like ps4 and X1 is. but more of Neo-Geo ,SNK, Treasure, Wayforward style games.

i would SELL!! my ps4 for dreamcast 2 to play ol skool style games again .

[Umbasa]

Hmmm. I was wondering why i have not seen a new VF game since... well a long time, not saying this is the reason but now i am wondering.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Final Showdown came out not that long ago. It was basically VF5 with updates. Maybe 2012?

[2pacalypsenow]

There's a reason Dreamcast died, leave it alone

[Eidolon]

It was such a good console and now most people realize that, the only reason it would fail is because Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have to much a large presence in the gaming industry and are bigger companies. I don't think they have to invest much as they would on a new platform, it's not seeming like the petition was to build entirely new hardware for new games, just DC in HD and on HDD, etc.

[PizzaSteve]

I know right. A new Dreamcast won't survive in today's market. Leave it alone.

[Eidolon]

It's more popular now than it ever was, really, all they need is engineers to create a cool case, controllers(or maybe just reboot the old DC controller with a new Adapter), emulation software, put some PC hardware in there, and bam, DC HD for pretty cheap.

[Kalebninja]

And what would that reason be? It certainly wasnt because it was a bad console.

[2pacalypsenow]

Because people didn't buy it after the Ps2 came out, if I remember correctly sales were abysmal after 2000, I remember reading an article around 2001 were it was rumored the Dreamcast would be discontinued only for Sega to deny it, then a few months later they announced the end of Dreamcast. A few people with nostalgia for Sega wont sell enough consoles to make it profitable for Sega

[rainslacker]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the premise about what this is all about...article was vague...but I'd prefer they put that money to making great games over a new console. Sega was great back in the day, but they're going to blow through a lot of money trying to make a console, and then go and compete against the current Big 3. A fourth console in the market is pushing it, heck it's questionable if 3 can survive since there have never been 3 very successful consoles at once, and I can't see it being something publishers would want to support given that they aren't even supporting 3 right now with any regularity.

Sega doesn't need it's own console to release games on.

There are a lot of vocal DC fans, but there just aren't enough to really support a console on it's own...at least not one meant to compete with the big 3. If Sega is looking more like what SNK did with that NeoGeo Gold, then fair enough, but Patrick Lawson's optimism seems misplaced and very much assumptive about how the publishing industry would react to another console. If the console is meant to compete big time, then they have one chance with other publishers to prove their worth, otherwise, things go the way they did for the WiiU, but without the benefit of having Nintendo's 1st party staples. There's also the fact he's speaking about the benefits the Sega of old had back in the day, but they don't really have those benefits anymore...namely in hardware design and production. Devs aren't going to be too keen on simply adopting Sega's arcade hardware given the simplicity of the current generations hardware setups(relatively speaking)

[Bronxs15]

i disagreed because i think wii, ps3, and 360 were 3 successful consoles at the same time.

[rainslacker]

Well...OK you got me there. :) You can't expect me to remember that far back.

I guess I meant to say that from a support and customer satisfaction standpoint, there haven't been three successful consoles at the same time. Last gen, the Wii died off quickly in support, and it never had the customer faith that you see from other console platforms outside of some very devout followings.

I really doubt if Sega can instill faith nowadays. I feel the DC fans, while numerous, also are clouded by nostalgia. DC was a great system, but that doesn't mean that Sega itself was awesome. They kind of last it around the 32X, and had nothing with the Saturn, and barely got their mojo back with the DC before they dropped out of the market.

I was there back then, I watched it all go down over many years starting on the Genesis, and I remember why people lost faith in Sega despite how great some of their hardware was.

[Bronxs15]

hmm, well i'll give you that you said it was questionable. and as well the wii was credited with finding a new market. so if sega (or any company for that matter) is some how able to do that they will be ok.

i personally don't think it's likely sega will enter hard ware again. i do nothing they are big enough to compete with sony, nintendo or microsoft. The only scenario i see is if they partner with another big company to do it.

"Well...OK you got me there. :) You can't expect me to remember that far back."
*it was only last gen tho.

"I was there back then, I watched it all go down over many years starting on the Genesis, and I remember why people lost faith in Sega despite how great some of their hardware was."
*not helping your own credibility much when you can't remember last ten, but use your memory of many gens ago to support your argument.

[Retroman]

@ rainslacker

Guess you're not inform, indie developers making a killing with retro style gaming . perhaps Saga want to tap into retro.

[rainslacker]

Maybe I am misinformed. That why I said I don't understand what's being offered here. I do know that there is a lively DC scene with games still releasing, but will that scene support an entire console, and is that support going to be enough to warrant making a full fledged console.

@clyde

I remember last gen fine. And as far as I can remember of most gens, there have only ever been 2 main competitors in the market, with a few other consoles which sometimes did well, sometimes flopped. Last gen was kind of an anomoly of history. It's possible there could be three, or even more successful consoles on the market, but I do agree, I don't think that Sega will make a hard push to be one of the bigger ones. They may go for a smaller scale approach though.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

I'm not quite sure about this! sounds great, but not 100% on board with it.

[BillytheBarbarian]

I think they should focus more on their best Genesis games but redoing all the sprites like Capcom did with Street Fighter 2 HD remix and Sega did with their own Mickey Mouse Castle of Illusion and release them on PSN/XBLA/Steam. I'd buy them all and I do buy the ones they release. I love having Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighting Vipers on my 360. Those games never had any emulation support on MAME to get them working properly so when Sega released these I was in heaven. Seems like they stopped putting out new stuff though. I was really hoping for a nice version of Fighters Mega Mix, Last Bronx, or Die Hard Arcade.

[BillytheBarbarian]

If Sega would get into hardware again they should make controllers. They had the greatest Dpads in the Genesis 6button pads, Saturn 3-D pads, and the Saturn standard pads. They were silky smooth for fighters. I could do a dragon punch on the Genesis without even thinking about it unlike the thumb blister causing SNES pads.

[BrandonNel2307]

I really want to see this happen. I'll even ditch the PS4 if it is necessary!!! :P Now time to play Phantasy Star Online and Sonic Adventure 2 the proper way again!!! XD

[Eidolon]

It'd still just be emulation, if anything.

[mixelon]

This is waaaaay too reminiscent of the various attempts different companies and groups of people took at bringing "back" the Amiga.

I'll believe it when it happens. Until then, nope.

If Sega could regain their mojo in the software space first before investing heavily in hardware that'd make more sense anyway. It's not like a new platform would suddenly make good games happen.

[Protagonist]

Exactly!

The Amiga mini project! and also "the new C64" which absolutely had nothing to do with the old C64, besides being boxed in a C64 case. I don´t see the point of this project, unless it is made by SEGA and games getting made exclusive for the system, which kinda contradicts what gamers actually want of games today. As for instance wanting nintendo games going multiplatform.

[sonicwrecks]

Not an earthly.

No way SEGA have the resources some seem to think they do. Why change your entire company's dynamic and hemorrhage money on something that will take years to develop for a crowded marketplace using the name of a (very regretfully) failed system? Especially when your existing video games business isn't particularly profitable anyway.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Sega publishes football manager (soccer) and Total War games and they are profitable. They messed up with Sonic Boom but that shows Sega has financing to try different things. They aren't like they were when Saturn was dying in 1997.

[benji101]

They lost money last year. No idea where you got the profitable thing from?

[Michiel1989]

As much as I want this to happen, it won't.

[whitesoxfalife1976]

WHAAAATTTT MANN THAT WILL BE AWESOME BRING IT TO US PLEASE!!!!!

[Mike04]

The more the better

[Germany7]

That would be cool, consoles will benefit a lot if Dreamcast comes back.

[Pedantic91]

In what way ?

[2pacalypsenow]

Yeah in what way? The Xbox pretty much picked up right were the Dreamcast left off, I consider the Xbox the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast

[spoonard]

Another fail just waiting to happen.

[ChrisW]

If they do it, they will need to ensure they have a stellar line up. There are many nostalgic people out there who would highly consider it, but unless there's a definitive reason, such as several exclusive AAA titles, it will be hard to get people to give up their allegiance to the console makers they have grown to love over the past decade or so.

[rainslacker]

Nostalgia would only carry it so far. I mean, the die hard DC fans would eat it up, and I'm sure a lot of people thinking that Sega could do no wrong back then may consider it, but doing this means all the reasons Sega had to drop out of the market in the first place start becoming more known, and that would likely cause a lot of people pause before dropping down money on a new console.

DC was a great machine, and Sega has a lot of worthy 1st party franchises, but for every great machine Sega made, they have at least 3 failed ventures in console hardware which bleed them dry.

If Sega comes back to the market, they will no longer be market innovators or be taking risks like they used to. Their console would be as homogenized as all the Big 3 consoles are now, with maybe some special feature to base it's major marketing focus off of, and I just don't see the nostalgia holding people's minds for very long before they get criticized into nothingness.

[Fist4achin]

This could be interesting. I just wish I had more time and money to play. I have fond memories of my genesis and Sega cd!

[Pillsbury1]

Sega does what nintendont.

[benji101]

Yes they do... Sega does lose millions of dollars.. and did have one of the worst selling most overrated consoles in gaming history.

[user6666047]

No more Persona 5 on ps4 if this happens haha.

[Barnaby-Jones]

I would definitely support this! Quite a few games that I would love to see come back and a possibility for more arcade type games that the big 3 rarely provide.

[Spikeantestor]

I'm as big a Dreamcast fan as they come (sentementaly my favorite console by far) but this makes no sense to me.

It makes no sense from Sega's perspective. They would have to make a ton of big changes to be able to do this. The Japanese games scene is not what it used to be. The only way they can do this is to lean on thier classic IPs but they have had nothing but bad ideas in regards to handling them for years. Obviously a new Sonic would be a great idea (arguably a necessary one) but there is no good reason to think that Sega would just start magically making good Sonic games. I think Sega knows this.

It also doesn't make any sense from a fans perspective. A lot of the guys who headed up the Sega we loved are gone. Yuji Naka, Yu Suzuki, and many more. What's left over is, effectively, a different company who has been sitting on the rights to a number of Sega IPs for a while, periodically making bad games from them (Golden Ax, any Sonic, etc.) all while making better NEW IPs (Yakuza, Valkary Chronicles, etc.) that have nothing to do with the Genesis/Saturn/Dreamcast and therefore, nothing to be able to feed into the narative of the return of the Dreamcast.

I'd give my left foot to be able to look back on this and say I was WAY wrong but I just don't see it.

[Tzuno]

What? yessssssssssssssss

[Ninja_G_Aidan]

What if the Nintendo NX is the Sega Dreamcast 2. They both form an alliance and create consoles together as one. Brilliant haha.

[alabtrosMyster]

That domain belongs to some dude from Arizona who has an Hotmail account.... He is probably fishing for some valid e-mail caddresses to sell to some spammers... Or worse :-/

[kenwonobi]

I'd love it. I even owned the Turbo Grafix and Dreamcast. Although people think those failed they were fun systems with unique games. Dreamcast had some of my favorite games ever. I would give it a chance. Anything can work if has a good idea or two.

[josephayal]

With _ going out of business they have a free spot for them reserved

[ARESWARLORD]

Day one for me

[rawshack]

This is good news the dreamcast was one of a few consoles made ahead of its time .

[benji101]

It was really not that great. controller was bad. Stupid gimmick . a handful of good games the rest crap.

[rawshack]

It was made before its time had a built in modem a small screeon the controller .this was before the ps2 was even out .the only problem I had with mine was it was very load loading games and running

[benji101]

i bought one at full price and the only good thing about it was that games were all pirated.

[Maxor]

So they want the next Dreamcast to be like a Steam Machine. A low end open source PC. Good luck with that.

[ScorpiusX]

Sounds okay but am more in support of the Coleco console than a Sega .Good luck Sega .

[noksucow73]

Admitted Sega Fanboy here. I would buy another Sega console in a heartbeat. Still play my Genesis,Saturn, and Dreamcast. Hated to see Sega leave the hardware side of the business.

[JoeDaniel]

"The Sega Dreamcast 2 project are very much alive"? who writes this stuff?

[DivineAssault]

That would be epic but i doubt its going to happen.. Sega was awesome but theres no money in the pool.. Had M$ teamed w sega like they were supposed to, things mightve been different..

[forgetmenot]

Sega , nintendo , sony and pc lets get it.

[DafunkyRebel]

If it weren't for sega messing up their company then Dreamcast could've been the rival to the Playstation, the Xbox might not even exist

[benji101]

How? They through everything at the dreamcast and it killed sega.

[benji101]

Threw*

[jaycptza]

This is like a bonfire of money that I see people planning, releasing a console one thing (even just this will kill them without gauging the current market) then their is post release support (developer/games, hardware support, warranty support)

[Wallstreet37]

I loved all of my Sega consoles and was a big fan. During that era I was also a big fan of the NEC Turbografx 16. Good consoles that met their demise.

[mark_parch]

the dreamcast is my favourite console of all time

[benji101]

Wow.. Just wow..

[pyroxxx]

As much as I love SEGA and Dreamcast,.. Having to buy another console to play their games is kinda of a bummer ,.. would definitively be a better console to own then xbox,.. (just based on breath and quality of sega's published games)

[DeToX420]

Memories of dynamite cop still make me smile. I would like for this to be true there has been a gaping hole left by Nintendo for years now sad to say.

[Shineon]

I would definitely support this where's the petition?I'm a huge Dreamast fan.I liked Dreacast way more than I did ps2.

[jeenyus]

The Project "are" alive. RIGHT.
This is some bs to fool people, Sony and MS barely hang onto the market and morons think Sega will make a difference after they've put their franchises on all systems available.

Silly childish dream for the nostalgic people. :D

[kotaku77]

Hey I'm a big fan of Sega. I'd love to see them back into the console market. But this is ridiculous.

[MRJefferson]

This is very interesting, 4 big console? hmm I want to see that! I'm pretty sure one of them is gonna fall forever.

[Patricko]

I'm keeping fingers crossed for SEGA.
Dreamcast was #1 console for me back in the day.
Shenmue, Sonic, SEGA GT, all those pure arcade games.

[crosstrigger]

It's a crazy thought but think about this... If Sega came back with this console and had an incredible HD remastered library of genesis and dreamcast games to get the console off the ground. Could you imagine the impact that would have on the market? Nintendo would be legit shook unless the NX blows people away.

[InTheZoneAC]

considering how few bought the dreamcast, I'd say there's not much mass appeal for the next one...

and most of those games sucked anyway...

[guyman]

"SEGA has far more viable and superior 1st party IPs then Sony that would be able to sell at a more diverse base of consumers: Particularly Casuals,PC games and Veteran gamers. People who don’t own PS4 or care for it."

Did the ps4 and sony's first party rape your mom?

[GreenUp]

If it runs it's own OS, and a GPU on par with a current GTX 970 than they'd be golden. With an i5, it could potentially run any game thrown at it at 1080p 60fps and actually stay close to it unlike current console games which max out at 60fps but run half that on a constant slideshow when you start adding players. Looking at you Battlefield 4.

Really though, if it could be licensed to play multiplatform games such as Battlefield, COD, and so on and have an i5 in it with a better video card than the current console then it will definitely sell. Three consoles, all their own first party games, and all will be able to play multiplatform games. Win-win. Bring it Sega. Eat these current consoles in the frames a second department and with the addition of better textures. :P

It'll be like a mini PC with it's own OS. On par with SteamOS I'd guess.

[jimmywolf]

it anything it going be on par or little above what we have currently have right now ( unless it comes out 5+ years from now )

[ElectricSponge]

If Sega does come back they need to:

1. Don't call it Dreamcast anything.

2. Have at least 5 killer apps at launch, most of us Sega heads are grown up now, so we need at least one killer mature IP. Sonic won't appeal to all of us mature gamers.

3. Make sure you have a good online infrastructure in place similar to Xbox Live. Gamername, friends list, cross chat, Achievements.

4.Make sure third party games can be ported easily.

5.Make sure the controller is comfortable and useful copying the Xbox 360 controller with a better D pad isn't a bad idea.

[InTheZoneAC]

1. No one bought a dreamcast when it first came out, that's why it died off so soon
2. As a kid I predicted this console would die within 2 years simply because no one cares about Sega and their 2 games and PS2 was coming out
3. The Wii U has sold more.......................... ....
4. Tired of people wanting a terrible console to return, why not ask for the other 10 sega consoles in that short time to come back as well?

[Gwiz]

Sega made some weird choices with the MegaDrive (Genesis) and the CD add-ons just before releasing the Saturn.The culprit of their demise was basically initiated prior to the Dreamcast and with fierce competition they went under.Sega had mostly themselves to blame.

[NitrousX]

I've just read all the source articles they all looked legit. I will try to get behind the this project to help crowfund it. I do hope that the higher up's don't make the same mistakes they made last time and make sure they profit from the console. I didn't realise Sega mostly used parts from their arcade machines to make their consoles. Godspeed to Sega

[InTheZoneAC]

you didn't realize they used parts from arcade machines?

Most of the dreamcast games were "arcade" games...

[NitrousX]

I honestly didn't know

[JoeDaniel]

why would it matter if there was another Dreamcast? any game on there would just be on PS4 or Xbox One now instead…

[InTheZoneAC]

i know there's some on ps3

[ElectricSponge]

Right now though PC gaming is what I am looking at there just isn't enough console exclusives that appeal to me anymore. I am in my 30's and I like Xbox the only games that ever appealed to me was halo and gears of war. I don't see anything new on Xbox that really grabs my attention.

The things that attract me to PC gaming is playing older games, backward compatibility, community modifications to games, and just the overall PC gaming experience.

[dinosaurcrossbow]

Move over xbox there is another competitor in town. It makes sense since the original xbox was a spiritual successor to the dream cast now it's time to switch places.

[InTheZoneAC]

that's like saying atari has a chance if they made a console...

[TheMutator]

Blue Stinger HD i'm comiiiiiiing!!!

[Artemidorus]

Make it happen and I will consider to buy one.

[WheatBread]

I'm a huge fan of Sega AM2 and I love the Dreamcast, but I think this is silly.

[MasterD919]

This would have been amazing were it not for the newest generation of consoles...I don't see Sega even standing a chance against Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft.

A few years too late IMO.

[Dfooster]

Sega are not big enough to incur the losses Microsoft and Sony have in the past until their consoles have sold enough to start turning a profit. It's not just about making the console at a cheaper cost, you need the whole infrastructure behind you which sega doesn't have so they would have to build all that from scratch and then hope that enough people would buy a second console to justify set up costs.

History says there's room in the market for two consoles to go head to head. The third player always gets squeezed out, look at Nintendo now, this will end in failure for sega, it's pure nostalgia talking and not a good business idea

[Voids]

Don't you DARE forget about the ungodly sexy controller ergonomics and that sweet little bae known as our VMU... or just replace the VMU with a mobile app for iOS and Android.

This nearly brings tears to my eyes that Dreamcast 2 could be real one day.

[Deios]

Take me money!!!

[TwitchForFun]

It must be a slow month on N4G, for anyone to amuse this idea. If Sega made AAA games, I could entertain this idea. They cannot move software, how are they going to move hardware?

If they did anything system, they should make the SEGA Console. It plays all the SEGA games (8bit -128bit), digitally and physically. That would be more relevant.

[Xwin]

The real question is "Why??"
We don't need more consoles, make good games!

[Gwiz]

There's no way that Sega is going to return as a hardware competitor.
They have enough issues with software sales as it is. (Alien Isolation great game)

[Dangerous]

Will the dream come true, I hope so.