Ubisoft accused of misleading players over Rainbow Six Siege’s online-only Terrorist Hunt

Ubisoft is facing backlash over the release Rainbow Six Siege without offline access to PvE mode Terrorist Hunt, after appearing to previously state on multiple occasions that it would be available to players without an internet connection.

[TheCommentator]

Realistically, why would anyone think that you'd need to be online to play by yourself? It's absurd.

[Muzikguy]

I don't understand why these companies keep thinking it's ok to do this stuff. They keep saying "it's the future" and whatnot, but whose? It's not my future. Companies keep pushing these ideas to benefit themselves. Online only, especially for single player, is most definitely NOT the future

I really hope people speak with their wallets. I would've thought Ubisoft got the message from things like Watch Dogs and the Crew.

[Bansai]

Well it depends, if you want to play with yourself and watch some good porn while you're at it, then you need to be onli... oh wait, we're talkin' about a video-game, then yeah, I totally agree. It's a mystery why's that even a thing, similarly with latest Need for speed games.

[Captain_TomAN94]

Look at Amazon and similar companies - they build a business model around putting their costumers first and they made fistfuls of cash!

That's all you have to do!

[rainslacker]

We all know it's because some lame feature exists which the publisher deems absolutely necessary to the experience. Something like leaader board or time trials integrated seamlessly into the game play.

Companies really do think they are clever with this kind of this stealth connection requirement.

It's always something, and the fact that game design is now created around making that connection in some way is rather sad.

I believe if a game is good, people will be more inclined to go online for some of those features. I did for DriveClub or Mass Effect for instance. Otherwise, they may as well cater to those who don't want online, give those who want MP the option, and provide both with content they can enjoy. Their sales will benefit, and they won't have to bother with PR'ing their way out of it. The need to force people into online for some reason just shows lack of faith in their product IMO, and in today's environment, does nothing to prevent second hand sales, so why bother pissing people off?

[rezzah]

They do it for us to not buy their product.

Their logic.

[Dee_91]

I downloaded the crew beta, I was only able to play it twice due to my internet outage. I downloaded NFS beta, only played it for a few hours before I got "cannot connect to EA servers".

online only is counter productive and I wont be buying any game with this "feature".

[ThanatosDMC]

Probably because of Uplay. I thought it couldnt get worse on Steam but it did.

[IAmTheBest35]

i dont buy these shitty online only games. i dont understand why anybody else would unless theyre a casual gamer and dont know shit about video games.

[Palitera]

If you think buying an online-only tactical multiplayer shooter is proof of being casual/not knowing about games (like Driveclub, The Division, Titanfall, Diablo 3 etc), yeah, we know you don't understand a lot of stuff. But sh-sh, don't get so angry. Adults and intelligent people are here to explain it to you.

In this case, it is because they think they will like the game. Mindblowing, huh?

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PS: eventually companies will realize the sales lost. And they do it to prevent piracy too, hurting the paying consumer as usual.

[Muzikguy]

If you haven't noticed all those games you listed had their own problems. Diablo3 they had to completely revamp, Driveclub had plenty of issues (still could play offline though so bad example on your part), the Division is going to have a big struggle to overcome when it gets released, and Titanfall has been criticized for many things and hasn't faired as well as planned either. That's all right you don't want to question these things but I will. Adults and intelligent people are here to explain it to you.

It's not just Ubisoft doing this sort of thing. It doesn't make it right either. These guys want to try and put expirations on games so we have to go out and buy more. Maybe you want to be told how you can play your games and when your "time is up" for a game you purchased. As for me, when that day comes, they can keep their games as I won't be buying anything

[Palitera]

Don't be so mad. My comment was a reply to the post above mine. Interpretation 101, kiddo.

[LamerTamer]

Its about control. You see when, not if, they eventually shut down the server your game even if physical is useless. It is a way to build in an expiration date that they determine.

[NeckBeardBSMTDweller]

Who the hell isn't "online", that can afford a $60 game? I cant tell you the last time I didn't have Internet. Maybe like 1999.

[TheCommentator]

I guess you forgot how people reacted to an always connected XB1?

[BuildTheWall]

We don't all have access to high speed internet.

[fattyuk]

"Who the hell isn't "online", that can afford a $60 game? I cant tell you the last time I didn't have Internet. Maybe like 1999."

Im a console gamer always have been until last sept when i built a pc,

i play and love counter strike

cant play it with out an internet connection

if i fired up my playstation and couldnt play fallout 4 cause of an internet connection - id go mental

[IAmTheBest35]

you clearly dont understand the problem we have with this.

[Tsar4ever01]

Me personally, I think this "always connected" stuff really has something to do with developer's and publishers keeping control, like DRM, making sure no pirates playing stolen games on their servers and stuff.

[Roccetarius]

Just another good reason to not support them. Ubisoft likes to test the limits of what players accept.

[loopygames]

I had the game pre-ordered because I have been looking forward to a rainbow six game since vegas 2. After looking at all the games that came out that I need to finish. I cancelled the preorder mainly because I'm not paying $60 to essentially rent the game for however long Ubisoft decides to keep the servers up. The response towards this game appears to be pretty negative that the online community will probably be dead in a few months.

[NeckBeardBSMTDweller]

Good thing I got the game free with my 980 TI. I love it so far, its beautiful.I could give a F*** about the online situation. Just go enjoy the game.

[Perjoss]

Its all part of the plan, they experiment to see what they can get away with and then try to force feed you garbage.

[alfcrippinjr]

correct on the experiment

if people buy this shit then they say in the next meeting

well we sold over 20million copies

so we never do anymore story modes or campaign
and release a game with online play only
but still charge the same price as a full game.

if people stop buying this shit then the companys will stop doing this type of bullshit

[fattyuk]

fully agree with you, and please dont knock me for this,

this is where the likes of cs:go really stands out for a good busniess model

games $10

skins are endless and dont change any gameplay what so ever

lol and cs as a franchise is going strong for 10+ years

these quick $60 fads are tiring and boring, evolve anyone? is destiny anything special? blops 3 with no main campaing

its a mess!!

and im sorry ill get acused of a pc elitist (who genuinly has only had a steam account for 13months) after 20+ years of console gaming

[Muzikguy]

They sure do. I was so excited when I heard about this game a few years back but there's no way I'm going to get it now. Watch Dogs is the only Ubisoft game I have for the PS4(my mistake). Seems Ubisoft fell off their rocker this generation

[Blaze929]

Just Ubisoft ubiying.

[Chinkyinc18]

Gotta love devs...how they thought they could pull this off after the whole Assassin's Creed II SP online-only debacle. Why include a Lone Wolf mode for it if it wasn't going to be offline capable? Also, every R6 game with terrorist hunt has always had offline capabilities.

[Pintheshadows]

Seriously, is this not out today? Where are all the reviews at?

I have a feeling we may be looking at an absolute dog of a game here.

[Ravenor]

The framerate and responsiveness of the controls on the PS4 Open Beta painted a very negative picture, even if I definitely liked what they were going for with the game.

[esemce]

Yeah on Xbone too, it looked and felt like a 360 launch title, game features poor graphics, low framerate, stiff delayed controls and laggy online.

[jmac53]

Mind you I have only played a few matches so far but I have not run into any connectivity issues or lag for that matter. Everything is running smoothly for me but then again the beta ran smoothly for me besides a couple long wait times to get into a match.

[Ravenor]

It was the responsiveness of the controls. It felt like Killzone 2 did, like it was just slow and swimmy.

[jmac53]

@Ravenous I agree the default controls are a little to slow even now where it is difficult to react fast to more than one player.

[SuperbVillain]

game never felt like rainbow 6 to me anyway

[jmac53]

I have to disagree with this. This is a return to the original Rainbow 6 not the Vegas spinoffs that coddled players with a 3rd person cover view. I'm guessing you never played the original PC Rainbow 6 or the expansions.

[SuperbVillain]

Im a fan of the old PC RB6 as well as vegas series. I just don't feel too excited about this. The old RB6 games felt special, I don't get that same feeling with this one. I hope I'm proven wrong, I've been dying for a good RB6 game

[_-EDMIX-_]

Actually agree with Jmac on this. This is actually closer to the older R6 concept as its focus was no tactics not story junk. Not saying I don't want a SP, merely that I recall those focuses on tactical and hardcore mechanics, I like Vegas 1 and 2 but did feel they where side games and held your hand a bit too much.

They did feel like spin offs vs main games.

[Ravenor]

I love playing modes balanced for multiple people by myself, it's the best.

For all we know, what he means by "Offline" is simply a locked lobby where others can't join thus it's "offline". I really don't know why some people are so upset about this, it has been known for months that this is an online game, with no SP campaign. The idea of a game like this requiring a connection to the Ubi servers for collating Renown doesn't seem exactly crazy.

Either way, leave it to gamers to be willfully ignorant and petty when it comes to franchises and changes in direction. Hell one of you is hoisting Vegas 2 as a positive game and...wow, that game was the biggest slap in the face to prior Rainbow players (1-3) imaginable.

Things change, it doesn't mean you need to like it, enjoy it or condone it. But you're not in control and no one really cares about you whining on a message board. Sounds harsh, I know. But that's life.

[dmeador]

You're really stretching to defend them if you think anyone classifies that as "offline". Its not ignorant if you are mislead. Vegas 2 was a blast to play.

You are completely wrong about the whining part. If enough people are upset and dont shell out for the game after a lot of negative reviews, then who really has the power? I've changed my mind about buying it after hearing feedback

[Ravenor]

Weird how Call of Duty and Fifa keep selling millions huh? All that whining, you'd think someone would have caught on.

Vegas 2 was alright, but Vegas 1 & 2 were about as far removed from RBS 1-3 as you can get. Much like Ghost Recon is a hollow shell compared to the first game and its expansions. I moved on, I don't care. Other games filled the role that RBS and Ghost Recon held in my life, I'm not going to howl at the moon over a bogus cover mechanic and online play that was often so laggy it was unplayable.

People on message boards are the minority, you're all a minority in the larger scheme of things. Most people don't pay attention or don't even know that larger critical discussions of games happen. What Rainbow Six Siege ends up selling will be independent of any whining and moaning anyone does. If the whining and moaning actually mattered, Vegas 1 & 2 wouldn't have sold as well as they did and CoD would have crashed years ago.

It's all just an echo chamber, completely locked and enclosed from the rest of the world. Battlefront has received tonnes of ire from the community. It'll sell and it will sell well. Because what anyone says here doesn't matter, we're all just pissing in the wind.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

So you basically just created your own definition for 'offline' just so do what..support this nonsense? You are helping *nobody* yourself included with that. How is a locked lobby offline? lmao you even typed the word lobby and put offline quotes. C'mon.

Then you go on to attack gamers. Completely removing what the entire franchise was founded on is not simply moving in a new direction. It's taking every shortcut possible to maximize profit. Has this industry gotten so bad that people are now siding with being sold lies and broken software just because "that's life?" Yeesh.

[Ravenor]

Completely removing what the franchise was about? They've been doing that since the franchise moved to consoles, Rogue Spear and Raven Shield/Athena Sword are nothing like the past 3-4 Rainbow Six games. What makes Siege so unfathomably awful? The lack of a SP campaign? Vegas 1 & 2's were as throwaway as they come. Rainbows 1-3 were barely connected missions, basically scenarios stitched together.

My example was purely how a corporation such as Ubisoft could wink and nod at each other that it has an offline mode. Personally, I could care less. Everything I own is connected at all times, and if the internet is actually down I have more than enough software to keep me busy.

I didn't buy Siege, I'm waiting for Xenoblade. Rainbow has been dead and dissolved for years, just like Ghost Recon, Swat and Operation Flashpoint (yes I'm aware of Arma, but the name is still used to sell to the less involved who operate on name recognition).

[Muzikguy]

@Kwiet

It's not just the gaming industry doing this sort of thing either but I find it disturbing as well. Lies are lies. We shouldn't have to buy them and I definitely won't be paying for them. I've always seen the "that's life" mentality (depending on the situation of course) as giving up and giving in. Maybe that's just me but this most certainly isn't something that gamers need to accept to move any genre forward

[Halo2ODST2]

@Ravenor - I'l have you know myself & many others in the RB6 community liked Vegas's 1 & 2 campaign a lot. I would always spend ages relaxing by playing 4 player on vegas's 2 campaign & I can even remember the end fight, with the damned helicopter & the betrayal. - Just because you don't like the campaigns does not mean their crap/ throwaways. Also the topic here is the lack of an offline _ "Normal" mode for terrorist Hunt, because people like to play that with friends at their house or without having to be connected to play it.

[Muzikguy]

I'm sorry but I couldn't disagree more with what you're saying. Gamers aren't being willfully ignorant. We most certainly know what "offline" means. What we have is a common case of a company trying to dictate what we can and can't do. Yes we could just not buy the game. I'm sure that's exactly what's going to happen with many and the sales WILL suffer. People voicing their concerns aren't just some small crazed group of self-entitled brats. They (we) do make a difference. Perfect example would be what happened with the X1 at launch. How did the complainers end up there? Did you play MGSV? People complained about Quiet (that's all I'm saying) so they released a patch. Point is, it doesn't hurt to make your voice heard ESPECIALLY when we are being wronged somehow.

About sales, Rainbow Six Vegas sold good for very good reasons. I loved those games! So did many others. Why? Terrorist hunts

We can't use established franchises like CoD, FIFA, Madden, Battlefield, and GTA in scenarios like this either. All those games are in a league of their own. Same with Star Wars. The following and brand recognition is just too strong it'll overcome any negativity

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol I got to disagree on that. Offline is as clear as day.....not online. Thats it.

Though they corrected themselves, the reality is....they did months before release or it might have been merely that the moderator didn't know what they where talking about when they stated such a thing. I'm pretty sure they didn't mean hosting. I'm very, very sure they didn't mean that.

If its online only, fine, give transparency, but they can't have people pre-ordering their game for a reason that actually really isn't in the game.

I don't think they did this purposely, but they need to hire better PR or moderators as this is a bit ridiculous.

I in some respect agree that if a single player doesn't fit the game, don't force it. I'd actually rather have the single player done by a team that has serious concepts they want to implement , many times the team that makes the MP isn't even the same team that makes the SP, so if they still have the SP on deck, let it have time to be a real thing vs a some tacked on mode just because.

@dmeador- " I've changed my mind about buying it after hearing feedback"

Though I don't agree with what Ubisoft did about not being transparent with the games modes, I don't buy games based on what others say off um "feedback" play it and see for yourself.

Could someone not write a review about TF2 when it released talking about 6 maps and no SP? Play it and decided if you like it as a MP only title. (I don't know if you like MP only or not but if you made a choice based on user feedback, it was clearly at some point on your radar prior to release. Why leave what could be a great game for you, up to others that might not even care enough about the game to give a truthful review?

I don't buy games off of what others say, good or bad. I play it for myself to get that as I'm pretty sure many games that didn't get great acclaim also had strong followings.

I agree its wrong what Ubisoft did, but your still a gamer. Game based on what you like vs what others say. Fun is a subjective idea, not a objective one.

[Halo2ODST2]

This article is about Terrorist Hunt, that is not SP...

[_-EDMIX-_]

..I know.

My response regarding it being stated as offline, yet actually being online only still stands. My remarks about its SP are semi-unrelated. I didn't mean it in regards to this exact article as much as the situation as a whole.

The issue regarding this is that the mode Terrorist hunt was being stated as working offline as in with a local set up, maybe with bots.

They then stated it wasn't offline but online only.

[SunnyZ]

Now kiddies, what have we learned?

STOP PRE-ORDERING GAMES!

[Darkwatchman]

Or just stop pre-ordering games that are clearly only made to milk as much money from the consumer as possible or that are just lazy.

[pumpactionpimp]

No just stop pre-ordering them as he stated. Everyone should wait a few days to purchase a game after its release. That gives plenty of time to look at videos, read reviews, and talk to people who have played it. Then you decide to buy it or not.

Pre-ordering is an odd concept to me. No one Pre orders cars, or tvs, or much of anything for that matter. They wait until what they want is out, and reviewed. Then they compare to like products, to make an informed purchase.

But people just slap $60+ on the table because they saw a very carefully crafted trailer of something, that won't be out for years/months. Just silly.

[Muzikguy]

Hopefully that message is getting across. What would be nice to see is millions of preorders get canceled. That would send the message

[PizzaSteve]

Agree. Why preorder a game you haven't played? Unless you do it to get the early DLC but most preorder DLC is crap and you can unlock it later by playing the game.

[rainslacker]

Pre-order, but cancel if you change your mind.:) Seeing large cancelations of pre-orders gets companies attention on specific issues much better than not pre-ordering and leaving them guessing why not doing so.

Otherwise, there is very little reason to pre-order nowadays. Typically I do it for Limited/Collector's editions of niche games(more popular games LE's are usually cheaper in a month), and those niche games which can actually be hard to find down the road. I prefer to support the niche games out of the gate nowadays, but I pay close attention to them to make sure they're something I would want to support at launch.

[rezzah]

I only pre-order when I get 30% off (E3) for doing so. If the game ends up to be trash I send it back.

[Psychotica]

Why? If it's on Steam just get a refund within the time they give you to try it.

[Halo2ODST2]

I didn't even pre-order Halo 5, which was a big step for me, the first time I haven't pre-ordered a halo game, (since it was introduced with Halo 2), I also didn't pre-order Fallout 4, because it's better this way, I had time to watch Gameplay & see if it was worth it's price, everyone should be doing this, it's better for the industry.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

lol I'm so happy they're getting so much backlash over this poor excuse for Rainbow Six.

[Perjoss]

Ubi crazy if you think I'm falling for this nonsense.

[yomfweeee]

Not my kind of game, but the funny thing is everyone here complaining probably has their system connected to the internet anyway.

None of you were going to buy the game for the limited offline modes.

[Muzikguy]

Being connected to the internet and being forced to be connected are 2 totally different things. This was a huge discussion 2 and a half years ago. Companies can't force anyone to do anything, hence the backlash. We don't have to accept this and I really hope people rebel by not buying

Now changing for the better would be a different story. This isn't that. It sounds like the game is suffering from other issues anyway

[Realms]

The problem is not being on line the problem is the that some developers and publishers have decided that it's ok to sell you half a game and the rest via DLC. A trend I don't like look at a games like Evolve, Destiny, Battlefront, and now Siege I don't know about you but I steer clear from these types of games because they don't have substance and try to nickel and dime you with DLC.

This is the reason I will not buy online only games, gamers need to speak with their wallets. It's never going to be ok to sell half ass games that are later sold to you via DLC.

[yomfweeee]

That's a different story and that's why I have no interest in this game or Battlefront of Titanfall.

But I don't see the big deal about always online myself. I understand if you actually have no internet, but everyone complaining here isn't in that group.

[s45gr32]

Unfortunately, Star Wars battlefront is famous so of course gamers will support it

[alfcrippinjr]

boycot this shit total way out of order

saying it be offline play then all of sudden its online only
not everyone has great internet connection.

its a way of them controlling it other meaning support the game for two years then close down the servers for good.

made millions time to move on

there should be some law against this as more and more companys are getting away with it.

star-wars is one of them

and now rainbow six the same

go and support companys who only give us offline play and storymode

look at evolve got a really bad wrap but the game is fun both online or offline

[NitrousX]

I'm a bit confused didn't ubi clarify earlier a few months back saying that it was online only. When everyone assumed it was singleplayer? I think there was some mix up with their marketing on the way they presented this game. It also doesn't help that some of the tutorials place you playing with Ai bots, so it begs the question that this game could technically be played offline if the devs really wanted to implement it.

[Flames76]

Anyone who buys a Ubisoft game deserves to be burned

[s45gr32]

Hey what happened to the famous actress coming out on this game. I will pass on this game

[Gamist2dot0]

Wow, another game I won't support: Battlefront and now this. Welp, my $120 will go to other games.

[Wallow]

Ubisoft and EA by far don't deserve the "worst" company award but I think this year Ubisoft might deserve the title over EA. Because people will vote anyways.

[PS4XBOXONEPC]

just UBI being UBI

[yomfweeee]

Is the bubble system broke or what is going on?

[brokenbracket]

Yeah, I don't support video games trying stuff like this. Need for Speed, won't buy, Rainbow Six Siege, won't buy, The Crew, didn't buy. I also put the new Hitman game on my "do not buy" list because of that ridiculous episode type release they're planning. If I can get it on PC from G2A.com or cdkeys for like 20 bucks, then yeah, I might buy it. But I'm tired of companies trying to do different "new" stuff like this. It's dumb. Just make the game, and release it like a normal freaking video game.

[Soldierone]

The game is super awesome and I want to buy it, but I'll wait till it's on sale. This backlash is going to totally kill the online community, and it'll be dead by mid next year.

They should have just thrown together some half arsed single player to keep people happy.

[TheLordOfStuff]

If only they hadn't of scrapped rainbow six patriots, that game seemed awesome :(

[1nsomniac]

I like the game but won't buy it until they remove this DRM lock.

[JunMei]

Ubisoft accused of misleading gamers???? That's absurd! /s