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New Xbox One Update Removes Kinect Gesture Support for Dashboard Navigation

Gamespot:
The upcoming New Xbox One Experience update completely removes support for gesture-based dashboard navigation through Kinect. Microsoft's Mike Ybarra says in a new interview that the company decided to cut the feature because people barely used it at all.

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AizenSosuke3510d ago

Yeah Kinect was pretty much useful and useless at the same time when it came to appeal but I used my Kinect only to switch to the tv really. Admittedly.

MightyNoX3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

It was a dumb device meant moreso to scan your room and sell you concentrated ads. As less people have used it, note how Microsoft keeps phasing it out.

First the 30%
Then the abandonment of games for it
Now turning off gestures.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gazondaily3510d ago

Gestures usage was low for a reason. It didn't work well.

But the voice stuff is practical and actually is very useful. I don't think it is a dumb device. Itsactually quite clever but ultimately operates as a universal remote

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christocolus3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

"It was a dumb device meant moreso to scan your room and sell you concentrated ads."

Wut??? Lmao xD

Have you even used the device? ever? The voice commands work really well.skype is something my family, friends and i use a lot. If MS feels the need to remove gestures then its fine..im sure they'll put the freed up resources to better use somewhere else.

Godmars2903510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

"Gestures usage was low for a reason. It didn't work well."

Yet Kinect's main supposed strength, the key advertised feature meant to gaming, was motion controls. If was just about voice command they could have just done it through a headset or an iOS app.

With the XO they were prepared to make it's use mandatory with many a fan more than willing to defend it. Some still defend it. Yet now its presence has been reduced.

Is it really that hard to admit that Kinect was a bad idea? Introduced too quickly with attempt to implement and develop it further just plain poor.

@christocolus:
At one point, when it was going to be mandatory, MS was talking up Kinect as a marketing research device. Something which could watch anyone in the room recording their reactions to commercials. Using it count people in order to set fees for watching special events. They were almost more about selling such to advertisers and the likes of the NFL than XO owners. But that all dried up with kinect being optional and few buying it besides.

RzaDaRazor3510d ago

You are a dumb device. If you've never used one for an extended period of time, which you obviously haven't, you can just troll articles and say it's a "dumb device". The Kinect is amazing and it helps separate the Xone from PS4. Gestures were pretty useless but the voice commands are well worth the $100 buy in cost. I will never have another entertainment center where I cannot talk to it.

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frostypants3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

@RzrDaRazor "Gestures were pretty useless but the voice commands are well worth the $100 buy in cost."

So you paid $100 for voice recognition software and a mic? That a horrible deal.

bf0007779663509d ago

@RzaDaRazor it's the evident tha MS have abandoned kinect but still want to sell it

donthate3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

It wasn't a dumb device, but people like you kept talking smack about it and so MS has no choice but to shelve it.

If MS came out and did any support for it now, people will complain the old tired "why are MS supporting Kinect? They could use that resources for games, games, and games!".

The same mentality killed innovation on consoles, and now we have a dumb console that is used mostly to play games.

Killed all innovation!!!

I can only imagine what would happen if people screamed, I only want my phone to make phone calls when smart phones were released what we would have today.

Godmars2903509d ago

@donthate:
It never worked fully as advertised. The Star Wars Kinect title was obviously and poorly staged. Project Milo was the being of Peter Molyneux's empty promises, the man's verbal diarrhea during interviews, being shown for what they were. No Kniect title either worked properly or managed to honestly gain attention for more than a few weeks. It was a bad product with tons of advertising that tried to say differently but the obvious kept showing through.

Smartphones are thing today for the simple fact that they *WORK*. Kinect never did.

badz1493509d ago

So...it's ok to remove features now that MS is doing it, ha? Strange...

r2oB3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

Wow, I'm seeing people ok with Kinect being just a remote. It's ok that it's just used to skype and do voice commands. People spent the $150 mark up for Kinect, and people are ok with it. Talk about trying to justify a purchase. A less expensive camera could do skype and voice commands properly if that's all it's to be used for. No need for a $150 peripheral with advanced cameras and tech, if it's only going to be used for basic functionality.

Seems like people are reluctant to admit that they fell for the whole "Kinect is integral and that it cannot be unbundled" drivel Microsoft fed them. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

People saying "I love the Kinect and always use it for (insert basic function here)" is like someone saying "I'm so glad I bought that 80 inch 4K 240hz HDTV, I use it to watch all my VHS tapes on my VCR" (a touch of hyperbole, I know, but you get the point). Paying a premium price for a product that only does basic stuff, and being happy about it, is funny.

$500 well spent, lol. /s

fr0sty3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

@septic, a simple mic is all that is required for voice recognition, as PS4 proves. A simple webcam could do the skype stuff. The rest of it was just gimmick that nobody really wanted.

@R2, beat me to it. Very little of what Kinect was hyped to do turned out to be why people say they like it.

Irishguy953509d ago

Why was kinect bundled with Xbone originally? Because it was vital to the system. According to microsoft.

Just saying.

I just bought an xbone yesterday and im extremely happy I waited.

Meishpizza3509d ago

It's an interesting device but not practical for gaming, and the argument that it's great for voice control is lame. They can do voice control by using a microphone you don't need Kinect for that. Maybe they can use some of the tech for VR controls in the future when MS decides to come out with a new system powerful enough to handle Oculus.

nosferatuzodd3509d ago

Wow how fast people change their tune I remember ppl saying how great Kinect is and how advance it is and thTs why Xbox cost more than the ps4 and how the ps4 eye is inferior to it .. Now has soon has ms remove it it's a dumb idea boy the hypocrisy of n4g is over 90000

Major_Glitch3509d ago

Wait a minute...you mean to tell me the device that failed to make any meaningful impact last gen, failed to make any meaningful impact this gen too?! But the MS PR brigade kept saying how new, futuristic, and NECESSARY("...In fact, Microsoft said Kinect and Xbox One were one in the same...") Kinect was to the future of gaming. Odd. The MS PR brigade is usually pretty accurate about these things. I mean, they were totally right about...about...about.

donwel3509d ago

@donthate
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Here's something to consider though, maybe the reason why people want "games, games, games" is because it is a GAMES console.
Just a thought.

Kribwalker3509d ago

@r20b
W
I use my Kinect daily. I use Xbox fitness in the winter time, we play dance central when we have parties, I use the voice commands to start parties, change inputs, turn everything on and off, load games (since 95% of my games are digital I don't have to switch discs or anything either which is a bonus as well) not to mention skype with family members and other uses. It was a $100 premium when I purchased the system, and I'd get it again if given the choice. For me, gesture dashboard control has been disabled from the start, so I don't have a problem with them turning it off on their own.

alabtrosMyster3509d ago

@Septic you just demonstrated why it is a useless device, they could replace it with a built in microphone and you could switch on the tv with your voice to fell like you are in the future! Amazing!

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sensor213510d ago

Love the evolution of this system pretty cool to phase out whats not needed yet the voice gestures work stil. Use those resources elsewhere !

kneon3509d ago

So the next evolution is to remove the camera entirely and just use a microphone, as they should have from the beginning.

marioJP873509d ago

"XBOX ON" never F'ing works correctly, man. It still pisses me off.

TeaRunner3509d ago

I don't use it alot, but when playing FIFA, you can call out substitutes during the game without hitting pause.

Found that to be super useful. Really speeds up that part of the game. Other than that I don't use it.

UltraNova3509d ago

Yes but you can do that using a simple microphone not a $100 dollar dead weight as it turn out.

showtimefolks3509d ago

Ms is giving up on kinect so maybe now Xbox fanboys can also take it easy and let this whole kinect is awesome thing go

Razor

People like you are the real problem with in gaming and publishers look at people like you when they are trying to take advantage of gamers

Season passes
Launching broken games
Gimmicks
Micro transactions
A year later game of the year edition at full price

Julion07153509d ago

Or jus maybe he really like his Kinect and don't need ppl like you to tell him other wise he's happy so who are you to come in here and hate on something you dnt own jus like the rest of the fake Xbox owners anyone who really use Kinect know how great it is to have

BallsEye3509d ago

I use a lot of kinect in dashboard but only voice commands. Hand gestures are pretty useless. Love it in games tho like battlefield or Dead Rising.

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MasterCornholio3510d ago

Thanks for answering my question.

Bubbles for helpful.

kneon3509d ago

But quite expected, people just didn't want to listen.

KiwiViper853510d ago

Going from full screen to home and vice versa worked really well, I used to just do it occasionally when people were over, made me feel like a magician.

But navigating the dashboard with gestures was abyssmal

MasterCornholio3510d ago

Understood. Thanks for answering me.

Bubbles for helpful.

joeorc3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

It did not have to be that way though, kinect worked, it really does. Microsoft just excluded things that needed to be there in order for the platform to work in viability past control, but cannot be effective for hardcore game User controlled interactive methods without such it would not work correctly.

The problem was not the technology, it was how the implemented kinect was missing features to offset its limited viability usage without those key functions it would not work. If you look at oculus Rift, project Morpheus's or is: playstation VR you will notice something.

In order for kinect to really have viability for hard core gaming , it needed to go Hand in Hand with a motion control method where the optical lenses of the cameras could focus and track your users movements in a game development design that allows the camera to completely focus its compute on very fine focused body locations and points of body language in action.

There is nothing wrong with kinect, its Microsoft's implementation of cutting out a control scheme to coincide with keep connected to kinect at the same time that really is exactly why its not been able to be viable for hardcore game control mechanism with out those other much needed control mechanics needed.

Good thing is with Oculus Rift Microsoft is pretty set to be able to offer such, that is if Microsoft invests into Oculus Rift though.

Salooh3509d ago

Why you give bubbles !! . It's not helpful! (/s at disagrees)

MasterCornholio3509d ago

What an incredible helpful comment.

Bubble down for not being helpful.

Just kidding have a bubble for being funny.

UltraNova3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

MasterCornholio,

Since you are obvisouly in bubble up spree here I thought I'd take you up for it and say Hi!

Thanks for the bubble, in advance :-)

showtimefolks3509d ago (Edited 3509d ago )

never did but if you listens to fanboys than it was the best thing since sliced bread

Major_Glitch3509d ago

Yea, the fanboys really tried their best to convince everyone else that Kinect was awesome. Too bad they failed...both times.

kenwonobi3509d ago

Yep but I think slowly killing off Kinect sends a bad signal. It wasn't completely useless with the right applications of its use. See PSVR.

BallsEye3509d ago

I had zero issues, both with voice commands and hand gestures. It was working perfectly fine. No idea how anyone can have hard time using it. Doesn't mean it had any good use in dashboard tho.

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javauns3510d ago (Edited 3510d ago )

the gestures didn't work 100% of the time, neither does the voice but its around 85% while gestures was 55-60%. but i did like the ability to move around the interface like in sci-fi movies. hopefully now the voice becomes more responsive and intuitive. cant wait for cortana

MasterCornholio3510d ago

Ahh ok now i see why people didn't use it that much.

Jayszen3509d ago

Can I have a bubble just for saying "Hi" to you? I have been stuck on 5 for god knows how long...No? Okay sorry, just don't take a bubble away....

Sm00thNinja3510d ago

I feel like my kinect has been dumber lately too commands use to work 95% of the time now it's more like 70%

javauns3509d ago

thats so true, when i first got it i never had any problems with the voice and gesture, then as the updates rolled out it got dumber and dumber.

Concertoine3509d ago

Probably killing its brain cells with booze due to all the kinect hate.

towelie12883510d ago

xbox on and xbox turn off
are awesome voice commands but gestures

mehhhh....

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Former Blizzard President Wanted to Reduce Diablo 4 Microtransactions and Reboot Overwatch

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra wanted to cut back on Diablo 4 microtransactions and reboot Overwatch.

Giga_Gaia252d ago

"But, his push for these changes made him unpopular with some Blizzard employees." He was the president, should have just fired them.

Wretchedstain252d ago

...from a cannon... into the sun.

Shane Kim252d ago

The president is appointed by the board. Probably those who didn't like him.

SimpleDad252d ago (Edited 252d ago )

That's why he is a former president.
D4 bad.

PapaBop252d ago

I can just imagine the scene between him and Kotick being something like a scene in Simpsons with Mr Burns feigning interest while repeatedly pressing his button.

jznrpg252d ago

MS didn’t buy ABK to get rid of MTs. They want more

neutralgamer1992252d ago

Sadly any positive changes that we as gamers thought might take place are over and done with

Tacoboto252d ago

Are people really buying what Ybarra is selling?

Remember - this is the same guy that said he wishes you could leave a tip after buying a game.

Him saying now he wanted to *reduce* MTX is riiiiich, seems like he's using Schreier's book to try and save face now that he doesn't have to face his former employees.

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Xbox Needs to Embrace PlayStation and Nintendo for Sustainability

Ybarra, who spent two decades at Microsoft, acknowledged concerns about the future of Xbox hardware by fans once more first-party games go multiplatform.

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ThinkThink373d ago

As an xbox guy, If porting some exclusives to sony and nintendo allows MS to continue offering gamepass day one, I'm all for it. Port them all if you need to.

Hofstaderman373d ago (Edited 373d ago )

Your way of thinking is why Microsoft is where they are. All they had to do was hold the line of the 360 circa 2010. Had the continued with thay strategy they would not have had to introduce gamepass which has spectacularly kneecapped them.

ThinkThink373d ago

@hof, but then they would still be in the same position as sony, fighting for those same 150 million customers. As a publicly traded company, they still need to show growth. Once sony is day and date on PC, they will also need to find new customers, likely by embracing 3rd party. What you consider "kneecapping" I consider an incredible customer value in gamepass.

Ironmike373d ago

Kneecapping the xbox and pc owners are loving it I do t think u telise how popular gamepass is

MrBaskerville373d ago

They were faltering in the last year or two of the 360 era. Don't forget that they doubled down on Kinect, which might be part of the reason why they didn't have much to show going into Xbox One.

QuantumMechanic373d ago

But GamePass is not MS' consolation effort; it was always the endgame! MS is all about subscription-based revenue-streams now! They have turned almost all of their businesses into software-as-a-service; only Windows remains. Stay tuned for that one in the next 5 years.

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OldDuffer373d ago

As a consumer, I really get that point of view.

As an ex dev seeing what's happened to the industry I have no doubt that GP is harming the industry I love by devaluing games, so my thoughts are little less positive about it.

I can agree with the sentiment that most of their games should be multi platform. Until they swallowed up these devs, most of the titles we are wating for would have been multi platform anyway.

Obscure_Observer373d ago

@ThinkThink

"As an xbox guy, If porting some exclusives to sony and nintendo allows MS to continue offering gamepass day one, I'm all for it. Port them all if you need to."

I won´t say all, but definitely some games I wouldn´t care either as long excellence continues to be delivered to us.

Cockney373d ago

If some then why not all? Think think isn't wrong, his reasoning is quite concise in that yes multi platform brings more funds to develop more games all available day 1 on gamepass, he's happy as Larry.

purple101372d ago (Edited 372d ago )

you keep saying continues mate, like its been happening all a long, I see on another post, you used the same word,

xbox has forza, which is a quality game, and the rest are 8/10's

they have very little 9 or 10/10s. quality bar is set lower for xbox.
also on topic, which would Playstation fans buy ported 8/10 games when they are accustomed to 9's

Obscure_Observer372d ago

@Cockney

"If some then why not all?"

Because if MS wants to remain in the console, business (like they already confirmed multiple times been working on a next gen Xbox console), they would never allow all of their flagship first party games to be available on the main competitor´s console.

Zeref372d ago (Edited 372d ago )

Yeah it's better for the games too.

Like yeah Playstation gets Doom and Call of Duty. But they have to pay 70 dollars for it or 100 dollars if you want a special edition. Meanwhile we get it for nothing extra or 30 dollars for upgrades like the Black Ops 6 Vault Edition.

If Playstation and Nintendo players are used to fund my gamepass content I'm fine with that.
It benefits the games and me as well.

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Lexreborn2373d ago

I still find it funny that Microsoft is spinning its obligations that it has to releasing on other systems as if it is some noble decision. Before they bought the companies they did these games were all in development easily the last 3-5 years and had some type of standing agreement they absorbed.

People are acting like this is a dependency when in reality it’s them just trying to avoid major lawsuits. I am willing to bet any game that’s started development in the last year that would release in the next 5 will eventually be Xbox only unless in the next 5 years Xbox just fails hard.

And with the new skus they released I REALLY don’t foresee them having a huge jump. When now the disc version is a HUGE luxury at 600 with them not even having a physical presence anymore it’s them killing their physical market.

Eonjay372d ago

It's not just about them avoiding lawsuits. It's about them trying to maximize their returns. They didn't buy multiplat publishers to become exclusive. That wouldn't make sense money wise.

Zeref372d ago

The 600 dollar console is a special edition.

The regular Series X is still 500 dollars.

CrimsonWing69373d ago (Edited 373d ago )

They just need super strong games and consistency. This showcase was the first time since the 360 era where I actually was excited for what Xbox has. I already own a paper weight Xbox Series X, but now it’s looking like it’s time to blow the 3 inch layer of dust off it and give it some loving.

What Xbox needs to do now is be consistent with the releases. Don’t let this be a one time thing and then back the the poultry exclusives and typical Forza, Halo, and whatever else they just release. If they can do that I honestly believe they can rebuild the brand and possibly get it back to how it was when the 360 was alive.

Ironmike373d ago

I agree with article and I believe sony will follow suit budgets to big development times to long none can sustain this forever and sony won't be able to either

ThinkThink373d ago

I also think in 20 years we are going to look back and say "Remember when we used to have to buy a game publishers box to put under your TV in order to play their games?"

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Former Blizzard President Says Closures Hurt Phil Spencer 'as Much as Anyone Else'

The former president of Blizzard Mike Ybarra in a statement on Twitter says Microsoft Gaming CEO is hurting just as much as anyone else following the closure of three studios under Bethesda - Arkane Austin, Tango Gameworks, and Alpha Dog Studios. Roundhouse Games is also joining ZeniMax Online Studios.

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jambola408d ago

Yeahhh I doubt it's hurting a millionaire as much as it's hurting fans and people who lost their jobs

VenomUK407d ago

Mike Ybarra‘s defence of Phil Spencer is the dictionary definition of tone deaf. Even Alanah Pearce, who’s close to Aaron Greenberg and Phil called him out on it.

“Mike, I have a lot of fondness for Phil and don’t doubt he’s incredibly bummed about this, but CEOs can handle some “shots” amidst people having their lives destroyed. Your sympathetic posts should solely be directed at those who’ve lost their jobs.”

https://x.com/charalanahzar...

GamerRN407d ago

What makes you think these are Phil's decisions? This is likely coming from Microsoft, and not the Xbox division.

Name Last Name408d ago

Phil is the only guy in the industry that has plot armor.

RNTody408d ago

Hahahahahahaha! xD Legendary comment.

lelo2play408d ago (Edited 408d ago )

At this moment, even Xbox fanboys are starting to hate Microsoft. It's fu**up, after fu**up, after fu**up... that's the state of Microsoft gaming.
Purchasing developers left and right, then killing them off...

Phil was the worst thing that happend to Xbox. Might as well just shut down their gaming division and fu** off

Jingsing408d ago

I can already hear Jim Ross.. He has a family damnit!

Barlos408d ago

Poor Phil. He must be crying into his bonus cheques. Makes your heart bleed doesn't it?

MrDead408d ago (Edited 408d ago )

I'm sure he'll be upset that those cheques contain a small percentage of money MS is still making from the closed studios games too. Next time someone purchases High-fi Rush or Evil within all that money is now just Microsofts, just think the former devs at Tango who made Hi-fi Rush MS's most highly acclaimed game in years will get nothing more.

MS are buying these publishers for the big IP's like Elder Scrolls and Call of Duty they have little interest in the ones that don't make huge profits... and firing thousands and closing studios looks good on the next quarterly shareholder report. Gotta protect the share price.

Eonjay408d ago (Edited 408d ago )

This is all coming from the executive who thinks we should have the option to tip devs... apparently so publishers can pay devs minimum wage. Will someone think of the C-suite executives!!!

dumahim408d ago (Edited 408d ago )

That was from a former Blizzard exec. Did Phil make a comment on that also?

edit: Oh, it wasn't Phil who said this himself.

HyperMoused407d ago

Gott alove the tought process on that...gentlemen we need think of more ways to get money out of these..gamers...wait..what if they just gave us their money..like for free.

LucasRuinedChildhood408d ago (Edited 408d ago )

Yeah, the guy making $10m a year is hurting as much as those who have lost their jobs and are worrying about their future and supporting their family. /s

It takes a real lack of shame to even try put the Good Guy Phil™ spin on this. It's not going to work this time.

Profchaos408d ago

He's sitting around feeling sorry when he should of been doing everything in his power to get people jobs in other studios you're telling me after toys for Bob split from Activision there wasn't a opening in the call of duty mines for arkane it's just woah is me.

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