You know, it actually doesn't seem that much less suggestive, to be honest. Is underboob more acceptable than regular cleavage for some reason? What a weird case of censorship...
I honestly don't mind. Having a thirteen old girl dressed up in perverted clothes doesn't really make the game very attractive to me. Though ameircas policy is total crap where you can't even show a niple but showing stabbing and murders are totaly fine.
To me, the issue isn't about the 13 year old girl, or nudity.
I honestly couldn't care less.
The issue is censorship, and in this case, self-censorship, and IMHO, also completely unnecessary self-censorship. You're changing the character-design purely out of fear for the POSSIBLE reactions the design MIGHT get. That's just stupid.
And what's even more stupid is that the change is so minor, that in the end the outfit is STILL skimpy, although slightly less than before, so anyone who was going to get upset about a 13 year old girl in a skimpy outfit, will probably still do so.
She's 15 in the Western version BTW, which is also a stupid change, of course.
After the B.S. that Nintendo went through with their Tomodachi Life game, I don't blame them for taking any and every step possible to prevent the SJWs from coming down on them with their incessant whining about nothing.
Just imagine what would have happened had Nintendo not censored this game.
Ah, I thought the two on the left were the Japanese and the two on the right were the American ones. Bad reading comprehension on my part.
God, that's terrible. Apparently Nintendo wants people to believe that 13 year old girls are wearing another full set of clothes underneath their clothes...this is bad even by censorship standards.
i dont even know how you even got disagrees. whoever did is delusional as all hell lol. th contrast between the public outcry between the constant school shootings and when janet jacksons boob accidently flashed on tv is a perfect example of what you are saying. hell people get more outraged at thee celebrity bullcrap on tv than when another school shooting happens.
Edit: On a side note I can see where some would be up in arms seeing as how shes 13. this part is just my personal opinion: no girl under legal age should be wearing anything close to whats in that pic
The girl in question is 13. In Japan, child sexuality isn't as big a deal as in the West, where it could be construed as child pornography. If you find it pathetic, that's your perogative. I'd love to see you argue how not having a scantily-clad 13 year old makes this version of Xenoblade Chronicles X any worse without coming across as a creep.
Sure, But some people people do. Especially Fox News, Fem Frequency, and other similar parties with a large following. Its an image issue more than a moral issue with businesses. No large company wants to be viewed as the company that lets you sexualize 13 year old girls. Japan is different so its not an issue there.
Ironically people upset by this are no different from the supposedly sjw they complain about. They just want a 13 year old girl sexualized for the sake of it, nothing else.
@Moe: So you're saying that Nintendo or any company is completely right in changing an artist's vision/design purely because idiots will find an issue with it!?
So basically, you're perfectly fine with (self) censorship, or at the very least, you understand and agree with it...
Well, I don't.
I'm of the 'dont like it!? Then don't buy it' crowd.
GTA always gets a lot of negative whining as well. Should they just give in and start self-censorsing their product even more? What about Mortal Kombat?
(Self-censorship) is a very slippery slope, so you should want to stay off it completely.
Especially when there's nothing objectionable to begin with, and all the drama is mostly in the eye of the beholder.
Yi-Long, you're comparing an unapologetic M-rated game in GTA V with a T-rated game in Xenoblade Chronicles X published by Nintendo, a family-friendly company. If you want to argue that it might devalue the artist's vision, that's fine and well. I disagree, but arguing that underboob on a 13-year old is subjective in viewing as sexual is being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.
Like I already mentioned, I couldn't care less about 13 year olds or nudity.
If this had been a 80 year old guy in a small red Speedo that got (censored)/changed to adjust for your conservative western attitudes, I would have complained as well.
In fact, my whole post-history will show that I have always objected to (self-) censorship, be it the censorship of violence, or in this case Japanese character-design.
My point is that you shouldn't be changing the product ONLY in order to please a certain portion of the crowd because you are AFRAID they will cry foul about it.
Let them. If they immediately think of SEX when they see a young girl (looks like a Pug dog btw) in a skimpy outfit, well.. I think the problem is mostly with them.
Oh not to mention the fact she's completely fictional, digital, has a face like a Pug Dog, and is a 13 year old GENIUS that goes into war...(!)
But hey, let's just slut-shame her instead.
BTW, isn't America THE country that dresses up 8 & 9 year olds (and even younger) in Children's Beauty Pageants!? You know, REAL children who are made to dress and behave overly seductive, mature, etc etc...!?
And people who call others SJWs are usually pathetic Gamergaters who harass anyone with threats and intimidation when they don't agree with their opinion instead of acting like adults. I'd rather be called an SJW than be associated with Gamergate.
What is the point then? You want to be able to equip this clearly underage child with overly sexualised bikini "armor"? Sorry, I get that censorship can annoy some people, but I completely understand why it is utilized in this circumstance. There really was nothing Nintendo could do, keep the clothing and people will ask why you can dress an underage girl in it, censor it and you get people crying out about censorship. You can always equip this armor on any of the other female characters in the game (you know, the ones that aren't underage?)...
It's Nintendo's game, they can do what they want with it.
There's an underage child? Where? I mean, the game has fictional non-people who aren't alive and incapable of actually being sexually molested so you can't be talking about Xenoblade right?
She's 0. She doesn't exist. She's a pixelated facsimile of a humanoid person with completely unrealistic body proportions to begin with, and if "she" had an age, it would actually be however long the development of the game was, not 13 years.
I always say the same thing but they don't listen. They somehow think a pixel in a game us being abused. I just don't understand it at all. The ppl with the problem are the ones that can't see real life from video games like half the ppl in this thread.
...You're actually making the argument that a digital character with a backstory and age by the developers is in fact not any age, so it doesn't matter? Holy God. The mental gymnastics being displayed here to have you people not come across as utter creeps is astounding. Wow.
You're actually considering that a fictional non-person has an age and is thus bound by real world societal expectations, norms, and "rules" so you shouldn't be talking about mental gymnastics.
I mean, you're upset about what color of pixels are being represented on a screen, because that's all this is. There is no outfit, it's pixels of a different shape and color made to represent an outfit and you're calling people creeps over it. Just think about that for a second. You're taking a moral position to defend the "purity" of non-existent people, at the same time you have no problem accepting that a 13 year old is fighting a war.
And you have the gall to talk about mental gymnastics? Wow.
Believe it or not, the are some creepos out there getting hot and bothered of these images.
Child pornography is a serious problem and this is why we should not encourage people to sexualize children/teens in any medium because people who lust after children uses these images for their own gratifications and it's only a matter of time before someone gets tired of looking at porn and start perusing sex.
Also like I said before, some places like Australia are strict with these types of issues so they probably wouldn't be able to release it without it being edited
Pedophiles don't need video games to be pedophiles. It's the standard argument used against any medium to force some kind of ideology or puritanism or any other agenda.
"There are psychopaths out there, so we shouldn't promote violence in video games."
"There are bigots out there, so we shouldn't promote racism in video games."
You name it, there's someone out there doing it. There are 7 billion people in this world, and you'll never stop all the sickos out there by censorship of any kind. If anything, you encourage them to become more secretive and more clever with how they go about being themselves.
Honestly. You people are arguing for the "innocence" and "purity" of a non-person, a non-entity, a facsimile with no agency, no self-awareness, no sentience, and no physical form. It's as if you think someone would see the costume, then go out and molest a 13 year old because of the game. Just like Anita Sarkeesian thinks we all go out and act with hatred and distrust of women because of games, and just how Jack Thomson thought we go out and shoot up schools because of games.
It's really pathetic how incapable so many seem to be able to disassociate fiction from reality. Which is ironic because that should mean that Sarkeesian and Thomson were in the right all along.
Really though. Who here would be ok with their 13 year-old daughter dressing like the second image? I know it's a game but that is a little much for me.
Yeah, but the reality is I've seen plenty of kids I presume to be around that age possibly younger with their parents or whomever dressing in swimwear (and other clothing) just as bad or worse (sometimes with the parent or whatever wearing the same damn things). Just go into practically any clothing store and look at what is on the shelves there, marketed as kids clothing. My point is, the game isn't portraying anything that isn't already out there, whether it's the Japan markets, European, or here in North America. If they really felt the need to make a change, why not just alter the age in the localizing?
Where the hell do you look at kids dressing like that? Serious question. If you have seen swimwear like that that barely covers a girl's breasts, then that's on the parent and it certainly doesn't make it right.
@Phil32 - I agree, and I'm a parent, have a young daughter myself, there is this public access pool area for our community, my wife and I like to take our kids to, because it is inexpensive and a seemingly safe environment. I seriously can't recall a time we have been there, that you look around and just have to shake your head at what some people apparently are comfortable with.
Ladies and Gentlemen, say hi Mr. Logical Leap. The idea that a fictional facsimile of a humanoid wearing a bikini equates to you wanting your 13 year old daughter dressed the same way.
C'mon man. I have agreed with you on a ton of topics over the years here but don't try to twist my words around. My question was more rhetorical than literal. In no way did I say what you insinuated.
My point is if people aren't comfortable seeing a 13 year old dress like that in real life, why would they want to see a fake character do it? Its just a little weird man, real or not. Also I am not condemning the people that are anti-censorship, I believe that 99% of things shouldn't be censored but having a 13 year old in a bikini is odd to me. Adding the JP costume and the EU one would be ideal. That's no reason to start labeling me.
What you don't get is this character in the game has no age at all they are not real so who gives a flying fart what they are dressed like. Have you thought about getting up in arms about the fact the same character is fighting monsters and bad guys ? If clothes bother you so much on a fictitious character you may need to see a dr.
Saying that you used a logical leap is not labeling you, it's commenting on the argument you made, which is a leap in logic. In the first place "appropriate age" is a subjective thing, that's why there isn't a standard age of adulthood or majority for the whole world. Every culture views it differently. Some cultures put men and women through cultural trials as young as the age of 9 and if they pass these trials then they are considered adults. Biologically speaking, every human is an adult the moment they enter puberty.
Society has created these arbitrary restrictions and conditions. So where you say you'd be uncomfortable seeing a 13 year old wearing a bikini, for that 13 year old it could be completely normal for them to do so because they are not bound by the societal norms of where you grew up because they're from somewhere else where the norms are different.
And in the end, reality and fiction are not the same thing. We should be able to separate the two. If you're uncomfortable with a 13 year old wearing a bikini, real or fake, why aren't you uncomfortable with a 13 year old fighting a war and killing? That happens in real life in some places too.
The uncensored versions didn't bother me, but the changed versions look like they might actually provide defense.XD
Plus, she looks cute in them, so points for not losing that factor.
People are trying to turn this into a bigger deal than it actually is; two costumes changed to be less revealing is hardly worth screaming "OMG EXTREME CENSORSHIP, NINTENDO'S EVIL!".XD
Ridiculous self-censorship. Pathetic.
Ehh, I wasn't gonna be equipping any of that creepy stuff anyway.
Nintendo has been doing this since the days of the NES. Nothing new to see here...
She's 13?! Dirty bastardos.
Nintendo has a long history of censoring content on their platforms