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Halo‘s Frank O’Connor Reacts to Criticism of Halo 5

Halo's franchise director also told us what Halo 6 would be about

Halo 5‘s campaign didn’t exactly work for me, this much I’ve written. Not in snobbery. I don’t hate popular done-over-and-over-again things in principle, any more than I hate baseball, chess, or the Tour de France. As Stephen King put it in his National Book Awards acceptance speech, you “don’t get social or academic brownie points for deliberately staying out of touch with your own culture.”

But popular doesn’t entail safe, and Halo 5‘s story, despite what I’m sure comprises an unfathomable amount of developmental work, feels too much like kicking back in the easy chair and putting your feet by the fire. Characters end the game as they began it. Even the twist at the end just feels like a tee-up for Halo 6.

Halo franchise development director Frank O’Connor graciously engaged some of my criticisms after I’d finished the game. Here’s what he told me:

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ZaWarudo3193d ago

I liked it but the problem i had with it is that a lot of the campaign story stuff requires knowledge of the Halo lore and tie-in stories.

Paytaa3193d ago

I'm very into the Halo lore so the story was really good in my eyes with the exception of a few things like character development in-game was poor.

I wish they made the campaign more grounded in the sense that someone who's not familiar with the EU could get what's going on. Hopefully they understand this during Halo 6's development.

-Foxtrot3193d ago

It's kind of like

"Have you read the novels and see other forms of transmedia for Halos giant Universe...just so you can understand Halo 5"

"Not really"

"Great well have fun

"...but...I said no"

"Let us know what you think"

"But..."

Gazondaily3192d ago

Yeah they always do this. For me, a fan of the lore, its great. For everyone else, they just stick a middle finger up for some reason.

Im finding the campaign to actually be a lot of fun but I'm playing it cooperatively.

Roccetarius3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

I really, really hate it when games are compromised, in order to make someone not playing a game in a series understand it. But then again, some people are just there to jump into the latest software released.

Books are something else entirely, because it's easier to put actions into words, compared to actually make the game look like what happens in it.

tldr - don't compromise the continuity of the game for new players.

Oh, and i thought the game was sub-par compared to previous entries, and i still think ODST's campaign hit more home.

FriedGoat3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

The continuity of the game was compromised by the books. Remember when Master Chief was the last spartan?? Oh wait, the books changed it.

I prefer the game to have its own story created by the original people who knew where it was going. Halo 4 and 5 are games for those who are into the lore created by 11 different writers, in my eyes its a mistake as I found the story in 4 confusing an convoluted.

Unspoken3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

@Fox
Hmm, I assume you have the same feeling when you only watch the 3rd movie in any trilogy.

Like if you only saw Return of the Jedi, Matrix Revolutions, The Bourne Ultimatum, The Dark Knight Rises, The Return of the King...

Or an even a better comparison, you decide to catch the last couple of episodes of a television series or Anime.

I mean, who simply watches the last show of Game of Thrones season 1 and becomes so frustrated when they don't understand what's going on that they swear off the show completely instead of trying to figure out what's going on by watching the rest of the series.

FriedGoat3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

Unspoken, that is a ridiculous analogy, We're talking about two different mediums here.

I played all the games, you know? 1-3, ODST, Reach.
I could not have played anymore halo if I tried, yet I don't know what the hell is going on in 4.

I shouldn't have to read the books. The game is not based on the book, the books are based on the game.

Should I go watch the Hitman movie to get clued up on the story for the new Hitman game? No, because it would be stupid to expect anyone to do that.

Unspoken3192d ago

Why not? Movies that were spawned from books left out vasts amounts of information but hit key elements of the story. The comparison is valid.

I wouldn't have had to play any of the titles you listed to understand what was transpiring in 4. I don't think anyone expects to know the entirety of any universe by playing a single game, and the latest installment at that. Halo 4 even had a short series to tie in events that were not directly impacting Chief called Spartan Ops, which helped explain and transition into Halo 5.

Halo has always tied all of their content, from live action trailers and shows to CGI shorts. This is one of the reasons it was so attractive and enthralling to me. You wouldn't even have to touch the books but simply watch cutscenes and additional "televised" content to be able to piece it together. Having MCC remastered for Xbox One gave players an opportunity to fill in their gaps with knowledge and lore before embarking on Halo 5. Included with the game was Nightfall, a series that could be watched directly on the console, and The Fall of Reach came with Halo 5.

Regardless, all of it could be watched on YouTube.

If the complaint was specifically about character development and interactions or relatability, the genre, or game type, then I totally understand. It just might not be their cup of tea. But to claim it wasn't cohesive because they felt they shouldn't have to read the books to know what was going on, when so much content is easily accessible and presented to the player, is asinine.

UnHoly_One3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

I have no problem with spin off books or anything like that, but when a franchise starts as a game, it needs to stand on it's own and not require any knowledge outside of the games.

Gears did the same thing and it kind of ruined it for me. Gears 1, fine. Gears 2, fine. Then Gears 3 came along and there were characters I've never seen before being treated as if we know their entire back story.

That is unforgivable, in my opinion.

kaizokuspy3192d ago

This is exactly why halo 5 guardians does not deserve an 8 9 or 10. It should sit at a 75. Not only does it alienate new gamers coming to halo, it requires those who actually played halo from the beginning (us and many others) to read the books. Here's the problem: If reading was my preferred medium of entertainment I wouldn't be playing games for the story now would I? So I should go to the bookstore, buy halo boos, read them, all just so halo 4 and halo 5 can make sense? Get real.... one of the most iconic things in the series is that Chief IS the last spartan. You took that away from him in halo 5. He is no longer special and 343 ruined an iconic character from my childhood.

No longer the last spartan, painting him as a traitor....Doesn't make any sense. Even in the books. Doesn't make sense as chief through gameplay and story, always honored chain of command. Lol not anymore and we can all agree that hey, he should go after cortana...but here's the thing. Halo 4 and 5 praises this one is for you:

Cortanas situation could have been written many different ways to be enticing and exciting without painting the chief as a traitor. The halo 5 story fell flat and am extremely disappointed. Halo is not evolving anymore. It's dwvolving into being a multiplayer only driven game like cod and we just sit here accepting 9/10 as if it were gospel. Maybe if and when we review games, we have the balls to give it a real review and score like the lower scores reflect the game as a whole. Not just the multiplayer parts. Idk, I'm just salty. Multiplayer in halo 5 is great, but I started halo 1 when it was single player, when campaign mattered, when multiplayer was just a feature and not expected to go anywhere. That story was great, and in halo 4, and more so now in 5, the story makes no god damn sense without dlc in the form of God damn books. Shame on all you gamers who are fools not to see that.

Allsystemgamer3192d ago

@unspoken

No you're are so wrong.

Not watching a previous movie is not the same thing as forcing someone to read a book released 5 years ago they had no clue even existed to get information on VITAL characters in the story.

Movies without any vital information regarding characters always fail. That and most movies do a great job at being stand alone. You can watch any one of the star wars movies and tell the characters apart because they make references and explain them in subtle but effective ways.

In halo 4 and 5 they DONT explain anything and just expect you to kno what the hell is going on. That's not good story telling at all.

For example. No one is going to know who blue team is or why chief works with them. If they've only played the games they will think it's out of character because hey just appear and boom he has a team. How is the gamer supposed to care unless they know who they are? No introduction. "Same characters need no introduction" because you can tell who they are right away. Like Darth Vader. Instant villain. Blue team, unless you know who they are is just another 3 Spartans.

You absolutely can not make something assuming people know the other media forms. I study film in school and work in the industry. The first thing they teach you about story telling is characterization and progression, halo 5 of which has none. We learn Transmedia and they start every single class with "Transmedia is to enhance". It's there to make people want to go see or play the game more, not be used as vital information if you didn't read this tiny little paragraph amongst a sea of words.

Even if you read Halo: The Fall of Reach, it's so well done it doesn't need to be a halo novel. It give back story to who the chief is as a character and how he go to halo. The first game you already know you're important, the last Spartan, the last hope for humanity and it's Chiefs adventure.

So without reading the books or anything. Explain to me. Who is blue team?

Magnes3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

Spoiler at the end of my comment btw:

My problem with the story is here we have a chance to finally play as Blue team together in all its glory. Then 343 says nope here is another team you may or may not care about if you do good if not tuff we are about to cram them down your throat for 80% of the game. Oh I almost forgot remember the fond memories you had of Chief and Cortana well forget it she is now the Galactic villain "Have fun"!!

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boodi3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

the campaign story is somewhat high minded , but i can't see it's bad as someone wanted to pict it .. foremost can be used to expand nicely the halo universe in the next installments ..

i still prefer the original halo story grip , but i acually liked the new cut and i see that it can drive new horizons ; it's not bad at all

the game is a blast , the only thing I miss is more linkage between cutscenes and gameplay , i.e. makin possible to play the beginning launch scene - from launch - or part of other later scenes would have been amazing if not mind blowing

but i speak on top of a 9/10 game , that imo is an absolutely deserved score for a very well built game and game package ...

"We’ve got people who love playing campaign but skip all the cinematics. We’ve got people who only play multiplayer. We have so many constituents to appease, that it’s always a careful balance and a fine line to walk."

it's super hard to innovate and deliver on all fronts .
IMO
they did an outstanding and remarkable job

otherZinc3192d ago

@Frank O'Connor,

Fantastic Game, best in the series!

Played on Heroic Mode, absolutely marvelous gameplay!

The ending was great. Halo 6 is my most anticipated title!

In a few hours, I'm playing it over on Legendary. This weekend, I'll Campaign Co-op with my 13 year old daughter on Heroic Difficulty.

Thanks for a fantastic game, bring on:
Halo Wars 2!

Why o why3192d ago

Seems halo can do no wrong in your eyes but I just came here to +1 ya on gaming with your daughter. Quality parenting

PistolsAtDawn3192d ago

That does seem to be the unifying factor between loving it, and just thinking it's ok/not liking it. If you have kept in touch with the Halo universe outside JUST the games, chances are that you love Halo 5's campaign ...if not, chances are that you're missing some things that others are excited about.

This is why so far based on the reviews I've read, this is the only real thing I can see as a "legit" criticism of the game... the rest just seems nit-picky to me. For some reason this game also tends to get hit for things that other games get a pass on (like being an "annual" game....I've NEVER seen a game take a hit on a review for being an "annual" game before...even when it ACTUALLY is). It's almost like some reviews are just looking for something to hit it on.....thankfully most reviews are pretty fair and give it a great score.

dmeador3192d ago

Unfortunately I've read about 8 Halo books including forerunner trilogy, and I give the story a 6/10. There is just so little to it, and you feel like there is no reason to complete each mission. I read the reviews and felt the same way, so hoped I would really like it because of that, but until the last 2-3 missions, things were very bland.

Locke was a very poor choice, and without spoilers, they could have made characters motivation (and therefore the players) MUCH stronger

kenwonobi3192d ago

Halo is supposed to have a straight up aliens attack. Master chief kills them story. It shouldn't be so difficult to figure it out. The fact that 343 jumbled up the story is a mess.

Benchm4rk3191d ago

And yet if 343 did that every game people would complain that it is the same thing over and over. At least they are trying to innovate the game a bit.

81BX3192d ago

@zawarudo
I dont understand how that is a problem? Who in the expects to jump into halo 5 without any prior knowledge and understand what is happening? I certainly dont go to the movies and watch the second part of something and expect to be spoon fed the information from the 1st one. Im with you on liking the story. Im playing through again with my friends but they skip past the cut scenes and ask me 100 questions.... lol what are friends for, right?

3-4-53192d ago

Don't care about the campaign...never played Halo for that.

To me...for me......Team Slayer multiplayer IS Halo and that got this soooooo right.

Most of the people I've seen talk crap about it seem to be of the younger crowd.

I've been playing Halo since CE.....Halo 5 IS Halo...it feels like Halo, shoots like Halo, controls like Halo & sounds like Halo.

Halo 5 IS as Halo as you can get in a Halo game and I just don't understand why people are actively fighting that.

If Halo 3 was just like Halo 2....everyone would have complained.

If Reach was just like Halo 3....everyone would have complained....and so on.

Halo 5 is a GREAT multiplayer game with what appears to be a decent campaign.

* The multiplayer is only going to get better with 18+ FREE maps, + Forge + BTB on the way.

So as good as the multiplayer is, it can only get better.

* If that upsets you, you need to get a life.

ape0073192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

mp so far is just AMAZING, very well designed/balanced, so fun to play, new mechanics added a whole new layer, the halo gameplay + the 60FPS = MAGIC

played 2 campaign levels, very good so far, i liked that they brought back the trademark humorous/witty covenant voice overs, it now truly feels like halo

sites that gave it a 6 or a 7 are literally delusional, you'll find the same reviewer give soma or everyone goes to rapture a 9, LoL

343_Guilty_Spark3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

I don't have a problem with it because the games deal with a Universe, multiple characters and multiple storylines. Yes you kind of needed to be already invested in the lore and you probably should have played all the previous games. It's not much different than Star Wars. A causal person going to see Star Wars 7 most likely won't know anything. Also for the people complaining about the lack of Story they did include the additional Fall of Reach Animated Series...I mean what else do you want them to do.

Benchm4rk3191d ago

Its ok. The same people that complain about not having a clue what is going on in Halo 4 probably never even bothered to find the terminals and watch videos for them. They explain all you need to know.

escott0133192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

I think the campaign was pretty good, *however* it should have had MUCH more time playing as Master Chief...not just 3 stinking missions...and the ending was very interesting, but underwhelming in my honest opinion.
Other than that, I really enjoyed it. I was able to play it from start to finish without stopping and I stayed engaged in what was happening, but again, it's really a shame that it ended the way it did. It was kind of interesting, but it was like "That's it?!"

Benchm4rk3191d ago

I feel like this is 343's Halo 2. Dual protagonist storyline, ends on a cliffhanger (albeit not as big as Halo 2's) and having the last mission as Arbiter/Locke. Halo 2 set up Arbiter as a great character and he fought at your side in Halo 3 but Halo 3 was all Chief. Im hoping Halo 6 goes the same way and Locke is relegated to being a side character and we play as Chief the whole time

escott0133190d ago

@Benchm4rk, I completely agree with your observation about it being 343's Halo 2.
Let's hope they make Halo 6 all Chief gameplay.

ShadowNextGen3192d ago

I've only played the games and haven't read any of the novels or anything...and I found the story very straightforward and easy to understand.

escott0133190d ago

Lucky for you, there is now an animated version of The Fall of Reach novel so you can learn all about the history of Chief and Blue Team.

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Ashunderfire863193d ago (Edited 3193d ago )

They clearly made this Halo for multiplayer, but the campaign was the worst in the series. I will play the campaign again for the fun factor and coop play, but you got to admit they could of done better. The problems with the campaign is the repetitive boss fights of the same enemy over and over again for like 5 times. It made me feel like 343 ran out of ideas to make more variety of enemy bosses! We got 3 version of the same boss at the end that made the game more frustrating, and the storyline was the weakest one. The campaign have some good moments like that (spoiler free no worries) coming down from the sky moment, which I can't spoil is the highlight of the game wow! It is the closest we will ever get to that Locke team sliding down the snowy mountain cutscene you wish was playable. You have the multiple path ways through the battlefield where all 4 players go through to reach the same point(another highlight). One thing to take note is that there are only 12 missions, not 15 missions as stated. Those 3 missions are nothing but fake rpg open world like hubs, where you talk to 2 npcs then mission complete! Not joking. One of those hubs you revisit to do the same thing? I wish these hubs were not apart of the missions. All Halos before this had all full level missions, so what is the point of these hubs? I see this game as an 8.5 for the best multiplayer in the series,but the campaign is a bit lackluster.

Plus alot of people need to take note of this, and I hope the developers fix this, which is the low framerate from a distance issue. I notice this issue in both single and multiplayer. Yes the game is smooth in 60fps, but the enemy and player walking animations look weird, wonky, and downright ugly! Its like those animations are moving in 30fps, and while the whole game world is in 60fps at the same time. The problem is up close also. The only other game I can think of that had this problem, was Dark Souls 2 back when it was for PS3/360/PC.

Unspoken3192d ago

I agree they needed to flesh out the reasoning for some of the decisions they made, such as the reappearing Warden.

It seems like they were trying to cram so much information in the time space they had, I'm sure scenes were cut from the game.

I liked the idea of the explorable hubs and wished they would expand on it with more dialogue options by speaking to other NPC's, ala Mass Effect style, and add options to configure your Spartan armor and weapons while there, making each individual Spartan more unique and specialized.

Having different setups/abilities so you can tackle each mission in a new way would be an amazing experience, especially with a team. The assets are already in the game and alluded to with the vast variety of Spartan equipment. Give us access to all of that extra content.

KingKionic 3193d ago (Edited 3193d ago )

At the end of the campaign when i beat it my instant reaction was the game was the best campaign.

Frank is right you cant please everyone.

But i dont see how any of the halo`s from 1-4 is touching halo 5.

Its just not possible even the places you go and the traversal through the enviornments.

Even the story really takes the halo series to the next level.

People need to get that the whole covenant and flood stuff is lower level.

We are on a whole different journey now. Stuff went down in this game i tell ya.

Ashunderfire863192d ago

Halo 3 to this day is the best campaign in the series. How can you say no to that epic Scrab boss fight or those huge vehicle battles Halo is know for? Halo 3 had 11 full missions with no hub levels posed as missions for Halo 5! Play Halo 3 again and tell if you still think Halo 5 is the best campaign in the series. Man if Halo 3 was built from the ground up for Xbox One it would of blow Halo 5 out of the water, in terms of scale. Yes Halo 5 has the best level design in the series, but the campaign is lackluster at best.

KingKionic 3192d ago

Dude...i dont even wanna spoil the campaign of halo 5...

But you and me both know there was a covenant boss in the game that made the scrab look tiny in comparison.

When it was revealed and the scale was notice...it was mind blowing...even getting inside it.

Halo 5 campaign is just overall far,vastly, beyond halo 3.

I have nothing else to say about this.

TheBurger293192d ago

@KionicWarlord222
That was not on the level of the scarab battles.

Allsystemgamer3192d ago

@warlord

It was a literally copy of the scarab just "bigger". That's not exciting at all. Especially since you're basically in and out of it. Atleast in halo 3 you could attempt to shoot it's legs to lower it or find some way of boarding it to take it down quicker needless to say it was more fun than the one in halo 5

dmeador3192d ago

@Ashunderfire86 That was exactly what I thought after a beat Halo 5. Halo 3 had such an epic story and clear reason/understanding what would happen if you fail. With 5 if you failed then... what? Chief would do what he wanted to do, and I didn't even have a reason to fight when I was MC until the last few missions. Even then it was fuzzy on what the characters failure meant for the human race

@KionicWarlord222 That boss battle was extremely disappointing. At no point did I feel it was a threat, and it was straight up a set piece. What makes Halo so fun is you will never have the same battle twice. Every enemy reacts its own way. But that was just a piece of ground with a bunch of turrets.

ape0073192d ago

halo 3 campaign is excellent but the best halo campaign without a doubt was halo combat evolved

still didn't beat halo 5 campaign

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Ashunderfire863192d ago

That big covenant boss was a joke compared to the Scarab Boss. That thing was stationary the whole time with turrets: All you had to do is going inside on boom he is dead in 3 mins. The Warden was a repetitive mess appearing 5 to 8 times during the campaign, doing the same thing everytime. then close to the end you had to face 3 versions of him doing the same BS. That right there makes me feel like 343 ran out o ideas. I seen other shooters do a better job with boss fights than this. For those that disagree, don't tell me you didn't think that was repetitive. At times Warden boss fights makes up the whole level.

Allsystemgamer3192d ago

Yea the warden is so frustrating on legendary man. Don't do it solo like I did.

Benchm4rk3191d ago

@Allsystemgamer

I found him easy on legendary. When you fight 3 of them take a incineration cannon and scattershot with you. Charging your incineration cannon and hitting him will stun him then move behind him and scattershot his back til he dies. Rinse and repeat

dmeador3192d ago

Not even close man. The level design was pretty fun, but 3 dominates it in every way.

escott0133192d ago

I agree that the environments were amazing. To be on Sanghelios was awesome and Genesis was such a beautiful planet.
I also agree that the story is on a much more personal level and it spices things up.
But I don't think it was the best one, but it's up there.

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littletad3192d ago

As a long Halo fan, I can safely admit that this was the best Halo thus far. Not in terms of story, but as a whole package, it's an amazing game. 60fps makes a big difference, and it was a welcomed trait that I'm glad 343 studios committed to. Story wise, it's better than all but the first game. I don't think any entry in the series will repeat the magic of being a lone survivor and feeling the adrenaline of being the last spartan. The series is in safe hands, no doubt, and most of the negative reviews from major gaming sites are simply taking shots for more generated view counts. Gaming journalism is no longer something you can trust when it comes to honest reviews. Read user reviews and play the games for yourself to find out whether a game is great or not. Just my opinion.

iistuii3192d ago

Yep, it's really good, I enjoyed the campaign & it's much better coop, it's smooth, it's coop is just as smooth & the mp is the best it's ever been. It has scored really well on reviews, but I don't give a toss either way as after playing through all the others I was never gonna miss this out on this one. Roll on Halo 6 I say..

TwoForce3192d ago (Edited 3192d ago )

Well, Halo 5 is a great game, but not the best in my opinion. People do know their taste, but it depends on who like this game or not. Let me tell you this, you can't please everyone in many ways. Troll people or fanboy, they do play game but they have their own opinion even they do piss you off. Even that some people are not big fan of Halo or Uncharted, they want to play and have fun their own game.

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Sonyslave37d ago

It a warp lol ftc is need but this case against Ms is over.
😭😭

lelo2play6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

All the whiners 😭 complaining about Gamepass, where were they when Sony increased their prices and introduced several tiers for PS Plus membership?
When Sony does it, it's perfectly acceptable. When Microsoft does it, all hell breaks loose...
Hypocrites 🤡 much!

BTW, I bet most whiners 😭 complaining don't have or even care about Gamepass. They whine simply because it's Microsoft.

isarai6d ago

We were very vocal and many people including myself cancelled their subs. Tf are you talking about? 🤣

outsider16246d ago

As isarai..said. even i cancelled it when they raised their prices. Im enjoying single player games now.

shaenoide6d ago

It's not the price increase the main problem. It's the removal of day one releases for console users while PC user are safe (for now). It's a weird message being send to console fan ( "You should have bought a PC bro !)

Reaper22_6d ago

Well said! They truly are huge hypocrites.

Einhander19726d ago

This has nothing to do with PlayStation, this is about Microsoft breaking its promises.

Bringing up PlayStation is just a petty deflection attempt to not take responsibility for their own actions.

People are unhappy because this has caused thousands of people to lose their jobs, four studio closures and xbox owners should be mad about price increases and the fact that Microsoft paywalled day one games breaking their promise to their own consumers. Now even if you don't want Call of Duty you're paying for it.

The xboners like you who keep defending this type of stuff are actually making things worse for yourselves because you keep sending the message that no matter how much Microsoft bends you over by breaking their promises you're still going to defend them.

Xbox gamers make gaming worse for everyone every time they defend this type of crap.

lelo2play6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Einhander1972

When ponies like you accept anything Sony does without complaining, that's the major problem here...

Sony can do anything they want, and people like you will simply take it with a smile.

Einhander19726d ago

This has nothing to do with Sony.

It just shows how weak the argument is when the best you and Microsoft can can do is deflect with whataboutism's.

This is about Microsoft buying a huge publisher then going to court and saying things they knew weren't true, then going back on their own word. They went into court and knew telling the truth wouldn't be popular with either the court or the public so they lied in court. That is what is being judged here, not anything that Sony did.

You claim we are defending a price increase, but you are defending outright lies that have caused studio closures job losses and your own price increases and new games are paywalled to a higher tier.

And what did you get? Games that you were already going to get without buying these publishers. And on top of that now regardless of if someone actually wanted the games they are forced to pay extra for them.

The scale difference between our two arguments is huge.

MetroidFREAK216d ago

I canceled my yearly subscription after the price increase :)

Outside_ofthe_Box6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

"Sony can do anything they want, and people like you will simply take it with a smile"

Isn't that what you are doing with Microsoft's price increase you hypocrite? I bet you were the first to complain about Sony's increase, but not surprisingly first to defend Microsoft's increase because you are a hypocrite.

GamerRN6d ago

They didn't "remove day one" for console users, they created a tier that doesn't get them. They basically brought back Live Gold with GamePass games instead of monthly drops.

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Yeah I complained when Sony increased their prices it was dramatic and they didn't even comment on why it was fine and I'll complain here to

In fact there was a huge outcry just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't happen

StormSnooper6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

It wasn’t the same thing. Sony’s tiers didn’t take anything away from people. Two of the tiers already existed. No promise was broken. Xbox tiers are breaking promises MS has made regarding day one, while also increasing price.

Angyobangyo6d ago

People were complaining and pissed. Only you seem to think Sony gamers graciously accepted it. You sure do whine a lot don't you

Hotpot6d ago

Nope, I cancelled my PS Plus already.

Your turn, criticize MS yourself, right now.

Outside_ofthe_Box6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

^^^^
@Hotpot

"Your turn, criticize MS yourself, right now."

He's a hypocrite so he won't. He's going to simply take it with a smile on his face like the pic in his avi 😭

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XiNatsuDragnel6d ago

No it ain't mate essentially ftc has a case here

CrimsonWing696d ago

I’m not trying to be an ass here when asking this, I just genuinely want to understand more. What’s the case that the FTC have?

XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

@crismon
Microsoft said to courts when they purchased Activision they wouldn't raise the price with gamepass but they did after they got Activision.

1Victor6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@slave3: “It a warp lol ftc is need but this case against Ms is over.
😭😭”
Well at least PLAYSTATION GET ALL Xbox FORMER “EXCLUSIVES”.
GEAR is next on the list of lubricants before they ram the big HALO on PlayStation.
So enjoy winning that FTC battle to badly loose the war 😭😭.
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ThinkThink7d ago

I mean, yeah.. if any of these tier options aren't right for you, you can always just buy your games the old fashioned way.

XiNatsuDragnel6d ago

Fair but this is about lying to the courts not lovely options

ChasterMies6d ago

You can buy games the old fashioned way now. Microsoft’s end game is releasing Call of Duty exclusivity on Game Pass.

Rude-ro6d ago

For now.
I can assure you, Microsoft wants subscriptions to access their games.
Just a matter of when not if or optional.

XiNatsuDragnel7d ago

Lol still lying about not raising prices in court eh? Can we address that plz

TheNamelessOne7d ago

If the price raise was attributed to the acquisition. Nobody can make that claim, and every sub service has been raising their prices. Sony made a massive one not long ago.

lodossrage7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

The problem is Gamepass price was already raised last year, just for them to raise it again this year. That right there will help the FTC's argument

It's only gets magnified when Spencer's words don't match what the company does. He said publically gamepass wouldn't change as a result of COD. He said the price wouldn't change. Both of those things were clearly untrue. Among other things

Einhander19726d ago (Edited 6d ago )

They didn't just raise the price though, they also removed day one games from the standard tier and paywalled new games behind a more expensive tier which they also raised the price on.

And the FTC's appeal also brings up the job losses and studio closures as evidence that this deal should have been blocked.

Einhander19727d ago

Well, one thing is for sure Microsoft knows more than anyone about misleading people.

The fact is Microsoft said they wouldn't raise prices due to the merger then they did including making a new tier of game pass. They said they wouldn't fire people and they did. And they also closed studios so it's hard to argue that the effect on the consumer and the industry hasn't been negative.

This is a incredibly weak rebuttal.

XiNatsuDragnel7d ago

Exactly ftc has every right to fight this

Reaper22_6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Go and google the FTC case against Sony for misleading it's customers about the PS Vita. Then come back and discuss who knows more than anyone about misleading people.

What you claim Microsoft said is just lies. They never said they wouldn't raise prices or fire anyone. And even if they did it's their right. You statement is pretty weak and proves nothing but you have a bias just like so many other people here. You guys are just butt hurt that Microsoft won this case and it backfired in Sony's face because they threw stones and thought their own deals would not be a factor but they were. As a matter of fact it was one of the factors that helped MS win the case. Just take the L because it's a done deal. It seems the only effects from this deal is upset playstation only fans who thought the deal was never going to happen. Microsoft won. Get over it. Stop worrying about things we have no control of. Just play games you like and don't focus so much on who made it and all that petty stuff.

Doomeduk6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

You're here again Sony grrrr in a MICROSOFT article
Just chuffed you've given up the obsession with Jim Ryan with just a few more sessions and you'll be able to comment on the actual article you can do it reaper the community is right behind you
Chin up

Einhander19726d ago

https://n4g.com/user/home/l...

You don't understand.

Sony is not part of this appeal at all. Sony wasn't even a part of the original FTC case. The FTC brought this case aledging that Micrsofts buyout of ABK would have a negative impact on the industry. They claimed that it would cause job loss and and that the consumer and the industry would be negativly effected from the buy out including from price increases to game pass.

Sony was only there to provide testimony on how they expected the buyour to negativly effect thier buisness.

They did not file the suit.

This appeal is of the ruling that blocked their injunction, and the FTC is presenting evidence that the buyout has in fact had the negative impact that they said it would and which was the basis for their injunction call.

The fact that you and Microsoft need to keep bringing up Sony instead of actually defending the actions themselves shows that you don't actually have a defense at all.

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XiNatsuDragnel7d ago

I see it's good they're developing in-house but question is will it be a good halo game?

RaidenBlack7d ago

Next mainline Halo sequel likely to continue with the in-house slipspace engine (since they invested so much in its development) ...and the Halo 1 Remake likely to be UE5 based one and act as UE based Halo template for future Halo projects

rlow17d ago

Nice to see the truth being reported.

CrimsonWing697d ago

I know this is gonna twist a lot of people's panties, but I'm over Halo. The peak for me was 3 and Reach, after that they've been boring and extremely by the numbers. Infinite was not that great, in my opinion. Was it horrible? Absolutely not. But I'm starting to get the feeling of "if you've played one, you've played them all" ever since 4. My apologies to those I triggered.

anast7d ago

In house AI with independent contractors.

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