Report: NX dev kits going out, multiple devices, has "industry-leading chips"

Nintendo has started to distribute a software development kit for the new NX system to third-parties, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.

[sinncross]

Sounds like they are gearing up to replace both the 3D and WiiU next year.

Interested in seeing how industry-leading the chipset is.

[ninsigma]

If they're only just starting to release dev kits now then I can't see this releasing next year. More behan likely a reveal next year and maybe a showing off of what their first party guys have been working on. 2017 release is likely.

I'll send your 50 bison dollars and raise you 100.

My reasoning is that devs don't have much time between now and 2016 to dev a whole game if they've only gotten their hands on dev kits now.

[Hoffmann]

I bet 50 Bison Dollars that the Nintendo NX will be released in September 2016.

[WeAreLegion]

What is the ratio of Schrute Bucks to Stanley Nickels?

[Ron_Danger]

@texag & legion

2007 rules of the internet stipulate that it's time for someone to enact a C-c-c-combo breaker...

[ABizzel1]

@ninsigma

Not 100% true.

No console launches with 50+ games, so that's a non-issue. Nintendo developers more than likely already knew the specs of the NX for quite a while, and have been targeting and developing games based on that since probably earlier in this year.

That's almost 2 year's of development time, and more then enough time to get some launch titles up and ready for NX.

As for 3rd parties, they're going to do nothing but port PS4 / XBO multiplats over to NX, and according to devs porting between PC and the consoles takes about 1 year, which means this gives them just enough time to port game to the NX, as long as Nintendo has adopted the same architecture as PS4 and XBO (which would be foolish to not have).

I don't expect both to launch in the same year, as it would potentially cannibalize the sales of one device (most likely the home console). That being said I think it's a mistake to not launch the home console first holiday 2016, and the 4DS in 2017. The handheld is going to sell regardless and it's their console brand that needs the most help. Launching later puts it closer to PS5 / XB4, and gives it less and less time to get any kind of lasting 3rd party support.

[gedden7]

Not if its on the very same level as ps4 and xb1 and then made easy to port. Also, remember the NX will be the 1st family system. Same games but different scaling. So when the NX launches, that may just mean the brand.

[VenomUK]

This is strong evidence for the NX consoles to launch next year. It might be that it is based on the same architecture as the PS4/XBO which would make it very easy for developers to make games for.

I'm thinking that next year at E3 we might just have the return of a Nintendo live conference!

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

2017 release is certain, actually.

There's always at least a 5 year gap between Nintendo's home consoles, and since the Wii U released in 2012, and since they always release a system the year following its announcement, it will be announced next year and released in 2017.

People who are denying this, are denying historical evidence in the hopes that Nintendo will make the stupid move of killing the Wii U early.

[ninsigma]

You guys make good points. Whenever it releases it better have backwards compatibility for wii u games. And they better not release zelda for it. I want that for my wii u lol

[Game4Next]

Xenoblade X HD remaster, with physically based shader & global illumination. Day One!

[Intranquill]

Normally I would agree but we have to assume the dev kits are hitting third party developers now. It's hard to say how long first party Nintendo devs have had their hands on the device. We could easily see a 2016 release with say Zelda with a WiiU/NX release, a new Mario, splatoon 2, so on. Nintendo has plenty of first party games to flesh out their release window until third party ramps it up, they just failed to keep up with demand on the Wii U due to how hard HD coding was. Their quote, not mine.

[freshslicepizza]

this sounds like nintendo, give out kits late to third party developers. not much time to make games if the system will be out in 2016.

also they report industry leading chips. this could be chips comparable to what's in ipads for all we know.

[BattleAxe]

My bet is that Trump will be inaugurated before the NX releases to the public.

[81BX]

1st... show me your wares!

[Kamikaze135]

Unless they have a slew of 1st and 2nd party titles ready for a launch window and are just now shipping out the dev kits so 3rd party devs can work on porting games to the new system.

[iplay1up2]

It also looks like I was WRONG. Wow a real possibility of a 2016 release confirmed. I thought for sure 2017 would be the year for NX.

It also means others were probably right about a dual console release of Zelda. If this new console has all of the power stated in this article, I hope the NX version takes advantage of the added power, and is not just a port like Zelda TP Gamecube/Wii.

I still think 2017 might happen, 2016 would be even better.

In the meantime I am very happy with my Wii U.

[Moonman]

I seriously can't wait to play the new Zelda (however it gets released). Geeeeezus....lol

[LOL_WUT]

I'll say this again if the system comes with any sort of gimmick dont expect it to be some powerhouse of a console you cant have it both ways. So if the hanheld part is seperate meaning optional then they might have a chance either way i cant wait to see what nintendo has in store ;)

[Loadedklip]

Refreshing to see someone admit they might have been wrong.

Nothing official yet of course ... but still nice to see.

Bubble for you sir.

[freshslicepizza]

i said it months ago that the lack of games shown beyond 2015 along with the delay of zelda spelled out a 2016 release date for the nx. i wouldn't be surprised if starfox comes to the nx too.

i also predict a brand new open world style mario game to launch with the nx. i have no problem at all admitting if i'm wrong.

[Razayn]

I'm curious on what the industry leading chipset myself, more importantly which architecture it uses. If it follow the PS4 and the XBOX one and goes with x86 it would take too long for devs to get in grips with the hardware.

[Rockstar]

Lol...I'm loving this thread!

[Apex13]

Agreed

[3-4-5]

Yes more NX news!

NX is my most wanted/anticipated gaming related item or "thing" I guess you could say.

* Even more than Halo 5,3D Mario game or Dragon Quest 11....is my want for the new Nintendo handheld & console.

Dev kits going out now would indicate a 2017 release though which means they probably still have a few decent Wii U & 3DS games in the works for 2016.

* Christmas 1996 = Mario 64 + Wave Race + Pilot Wings.

Those were the only games available at launch with Mario Kart 64 & Goldeneye 007 following in the 3-4 months after launch.

* I could see Nintendo doing something similar, but I'd suspect they would launch with a lot more than 2-3 games though.

* A New 3D Mario game similar to Mario 64/sunshine or galaxy - the motion controls, could be huge for the NX if launched with the system.

[3-4-5]

Just read this:

It says to "Thrid Parties".

To me this means that for 3rd party games, we are looking at a 2017 release.

That doesn't mean Nintendo hasn't already started on NX games though....They already have if they are passing out dev kits to 3rd party devs.

* My prediction = Nintendo will have Nintendo games for the NX ready by holiday 2016, because they've already been working on them for about 6-12 months.

* Most NX games shipping with console with be Nintendo games with 3rd party games following in the 6-12 months after launch. There will be 2-5 3rd party games ready for launch of NX but most will be Nintendo made games.

[AizenSosuke]

I can't wait for NX = Next gen Hype !

[Kalebninja]

Okay, so now its at that point where that hybrid rumor I thought was nonsensical may actually be true. That "mobile unit" better not be a requirement to use like the gamepad and they have to get that price right. A powerful console with a portable unit doesn't sound cheap. I hope it's a different case and that they sent them both the Wii u successor and 3ds successor together.

[Moonman]

I see it as whatever their next handheld will be..it will work with the NX's similar coding for games. Sold alone or maybe with bundles. Not confusing to me. Reggie has said the NX is indeed a "home console".

[Emme]

There are games for Wii U that dont require the gampad.

[deafdani]

Yeah, probably the majority of them. Almost all Wii U games play fine with just the Pro Controller.

[ginsunuva]

Maybe the console is like a tablet that you can either plug into TV or take as a portable tablet.

[Neonridr]

I guess it's possible to do an E3 Reveal and still launch by Xmas of 2016, although I still feel early 2017 is more believable.

I will be eager to learn more. And by "industry leading" this thing better have, bare minimum, the same specs as the PS4, but realistically should be improved due to its later release and better tech being available.

[ninsigma]

By rights it should be more powerful than ps4 but it's Nintendo, power isn't usually something they focus on. If the portable attachment is true, they may have pulled back on power for that.

[stragomccloud]

They've only not gone bleeding edge with Wii and Wii U. Every other system was a powerhouse of its day.

[Neonridr]

here's hoping they learned the error in their ways with the Wii U then. Wii was extremely successful, so even though it was significantly weaker, it still made them a boatload of money. Hard for Nintendo to see the folly in their ways when they sold 100 million consoles and made incredible profits.

The Wii U hopefully was a slap in the face and I hope they go back to the days of the SNES/N64 where they try to bring out the most powerful system to bully the other kids off the block.

[Apex13]

They haven't focuses on power for the last 2 consoles. The rest were more powerful including the cube.

[Mr_Writer85]

"SNES/N64 where they try to bring out the most powerful system to bully the other kids off the block"

N64 got its arse kicked by the PS1 and the GC got destroyed by the PS2.

The Wii success was down to grandparents and bored house wives, they then all moved into the iPad, hence why the WiiU has done so poorly.

When it comes to home consoles they have lost it. Handheld they are obviously still top dog, but for how long? The 3DS whilst great numbers hasn't matched the DS despite having 0 compition in terms of dedicated gaming handheld hardware.

Mobile gaming will soon start eating into that market. Nintendo are making a HUGE mistake if they end the 3DS and make their home and handheld console one in the same.

[ABizzel1]

They need that holiday boost more than anything.

They have to get that console out by holiday 2016, the handheld can come 2017 because it's going to sell regardless.

Wii U launched globally to over 2m units. They need those numbers ASAP with the console, and a March launch isn't going to be able to match what a holiday launch brings.

During the holiday people are out looking for presents and their thought process is in spend money mode. Spring / Summer 2017 doesn't have that same appeal.

Launch holiday 2016, get +2 million consoles sold out the gate, and work throughout 2017 on getting more sales.

[Neonridr]

yeah that's a fair point ABizzel1, I can go along with that. Besides, the longer they wait, the more people get PS4's or XB1's and the closer they get to potential successors.

[ABizzel1]

@Neonridr

Exactly. If they wait until holiday 2017 it's Wii U all over again....maybe GC / N64 sales if it's actually and all-around good console.

The reality is by 2017 PS4 will be at +60m sales, and XBO will likely be around 40m give or take. Those 2 consoles will completely dominate mindshare and marketshare meaning NX will barely get any ports, after launch since the install base is so large on both PS4 and XBO by then, that most developer won't even risk making games for NX (outside of JP at least).

It also means that they miss out on every big Franchise and New coming in 2016, specifically Dragon Quest 11 which could be huge for them with their JP launch.

Then that puts the NX well into the PS5 / XB4's potential 2019 / 2020 release date, which will stop any potential multi-platform gamer from picking up the NX when their favorite console(s) successor(s) are about to launch with significantly better tech and their current friends list.

They have to release the NX console holiday 2016, or it's in trouble.

[AndrewLB]

@ABizzel1

How do you expect PS4 to hit 60+ million sales by 2017 (just over a year from now) when they haven't even sold half that in the previous 2 years???

Just make sure the facts don't get in the way of your grand predictions.

[Mr_Writer85]

I can see new PS and MS consoles 2017/2018 the current generation will be 5/6 years old then.

PS1 - 1994
PS2 - 2000
PS3 - 2006

6 years between the first 3, the PS3 to PS4 being the exception by 1 year. However now they have moved to a more "PC" like architecture I would expect a return to the traditional 6 years maybe slightly less.

If that does happen NX will be DOA.

"How do you expect PS4 to hit 60+ million sales by 2017"

Maths not your strong point? When people say by 2017 they don't mean bang on the 1st Jan they usually mean by the end of.

Which is 27 months away, 27 minus 3 (Oct, Nov Dec 2015) leaves 24, 24 divided by 2 equals 12, there are 12 months in a year, so 27 months until the end of 2017 equals over 2 years. Not just over a year you moron.

We last heard that the PS4 was at 25m sales in July this year. 25 divided by the 20 months is 1.25 a month. At its current rate the PS4 could see potentially another 36m consoles sold (Aug 15 - Dec 17) that's on top of the 25m already sold is 61m.

That's not taking into account the potential growth that will come with price cuts, and following AAA exclusive releases such as UC4 which a lot of people are waiting for before jumping to PS4.

[djplonker]

@stagom

I don't think it can be argued that the n64 was in any way technically better than the original playstation (as in specs).

Not so sure about the gamecube vs the ps2/xbox so it's been awhile since they have had the best hardware.

[Nevers0ft]

The N64 lacked RAM which caused N64 games to look fuzzy but technically speaking it was a bit more powerful than the PS1 - I *think* the PS1 could push more polygons but the N64 didn't distort polygons (as it had proper Z-buffering) and had way better texturing.

As for Xbox vs GCN (PS2 doesn't get a look-in), they had similar capabilities but different approaches. The XBox was more of a brute force approach whereas developers needed to understand the GCN architecture better to get similar performance as the hardware was strong but in very specific areas.

[Neonridr]

this RISC architecture chip was more advanced, but like was said, lacked RAM. The expansion chip helped improve that, but the cartridge sizes were the real setback. No way to compete with a CD Rom.

[garos82]

gamecube felt more powerful. i had a ps2 during that era and only got a gamecube much later after its "death". I was extremely impressed with games such as metroid prime and resident evil 4. They still look pretty solid graphically till this date

[MSBAUSTX]

The GC was easily the more powerful but the minidiscs pissed off third parties

[user8966828]

Go look up your specs n64 was plenty more powerful than Saturn and PlayStation and the GameCube was way more powerful than the ps2 and just about on par with the original Xbox

[ARESWARLORD]

The only problem is that the PS4 and One will be over 3 years old when the NX launches. This could be like the wii u all over again. It will hit and be slightly better then the ps4one. then a year or two later PS 5 and Xbox Next will destroy it.

[Kalebninja]

The ps3 and Xbox 360 were out 7 and 8 years before being replaced. Going by that we won't have the next consoles from them until 2020 at least. Nintendo has plenty of room.

[ARESWARLORD]

I don't think they will wait until 2020 to release new consoles. I think they will support the ps4 and xbox one until well past 2020, but we will probably see new hardware before then. These consoles have a hard time doing 1080p at 60fps, and 4k should be main stream before 2020. the GPU's are lacking in this generation of console gaming. Im not saying I don't love the xbox one and ps4, hell I even love my WII U. Would you all not like to have more power from your console? would you not like to play every game at 1080P and a rock solid 60FPS?

[Kalebninja]

All im saying is thats how long the gap was between consoles. The gap has only increased over each generation so based off of that fact this will be the longest generation.

PS1->PS2 6yrs / PS2->PS3 6 yrs / PS3->PS4 7yrs.

N64-> GC 5yrs/ GC->Wii 5 years / Wii->Wii U 6yrs.

Xbox-> 360 5yrs/ 360 -> XBone 8yrs.

[Neonridr]

With the Wii U, the other consoles were already announced and we knew details. No way the PS5 or XB2 are even close to a reveal stage. They would be fools to have less than a 5 year life cycle for the PS4/XB1.

[mamotte]

I agree with you. call me a weirdo, but this gen has been pretty slow until now, I just cant believe PS4 and Xbone are two years old. And yes, I'm talking about games. The exclusive library of good released exclusive games (and please dont count remakes on this) aren't big enough. I suppose this will change eventually.

[MSBAUSTX]

@Ares

The better wait that long because so far the games have been uninspired and a bunch of rehashes. There has been two or maybe three great games on each of the other consoles. There are a lot more coming this holiday and next year it not enough. The PS4 and XB1 are just now hitting their stride. Developers haven't even figured out completely the best way to developer games for the new consoles yet. There is easily enough development room in these consoles for at least another four years. That means that the NX can share at least three years of that timeframe with better hardware and exclusives. Will be a very interesting future that's for sure.

[truechainz]

I wouldn't be so quick to think that the PS4 and X1 successors are that close. I mean we haven't even seen all of the first major releases yet from Sony and Microsoft's major studios. I think this gen has plenty of life left.

But then again what do I know lol

[gedden7]

You have a point. Nintendo needs to make sure the NX will MORE powerful than the ps4.

[deadpoolio316]

Well that ain't happening period...Why people seem to have so much trouble grasping that Nintendo is a FAMILY company and they don't really care about power, they care about making an affordable FAMILY console.....

There is a specific reason why their network sucks, they don't have in-game chat in online MP. They could care less about neckbeards sitting in their mother's basement, they however care about Little Jimmy's parents buying little jimmy the new Nintendo console for Christmas.

Nintendo will always release mid-range consoles for affordable prices to appeal to the family, not some $400-$600 powerhouse to appeal to the graphics/power whores. The ONLY reason Nintendo's consoles EVER come off as "powerful" is because Nintendo has a habit of releasing their consoles in the middle of other consoles life-cycles.

Snes came out 2 years after the Genesis. The N64 came out about a year after the PS1, the gamecube came out like 3 years after the PS2. The Wii a year after the 360. The Wii U was the first console to come out before their competition.

[jholden3249]

^^^ Listen to @gedden7

@deadpoolio316
It certainly can happen.

Nintendo has always been family friendly but, that's not all they are. Their games are also appealing to gamers and their consoles will reflect that.

Do not forget that Nintendo has made twice as many consoles that were the most powerful of their day as they've made lesser powered consoles.

You can be family friendly and still have a powerful console. Wii and Wii U are the outliers, not the trend.

[ABizzel1]

@ARESWARLORD

Completely disagree. The only way we'll see new consoles before the 2019 - 2020 timeframe is because MS quits this gen and launches a new console early forcing a new generation (excluding NX that is).

The longer the consoles last on the market, the more proftiable they become, and when you have a successor on the market the same time as your current money make, the pure profit of the current console must cover the loss of the new console.

Basically older consoles make more money on both hardware and software sales the longer they last.

That being said technologically speaking the evolution needed to eclipse this current generation isn't there yet, and if an upgrade happens this soon it'll be like jumping for PS360 to PS4 / XBO. Nice, but not a huge boost. In another 4 years GPUs will have had a large jump in performance even in the mid-range (this is where consoles have to get their hardware from).

But what you say is true about NX going up against PS5 / XB4, and this is why it's imperative that they get the console out ASAP by holiday 2016, and before the handheld. That gives them at least 3 - 4 years on the market to gain sales, and if the console is "Current Nintendo good" then that should put them around 20m - 30m (closer to 20m). If the console old-school NES / SNES / N64 / with a hint of GC good with the tech and features fans want (decent hardware, better online, more functionality) then they should be at 30m - 40m (closer to 40m), and that's a great starting point for turning around the slacking sales of their home consoles each generation (disregarding Wii's casual success).

If they wait until holiday 2017 they're pretty much doomed. PS4 will be at +60m by then, and XBO will be around 40m, pretty much owning the market and mindshare of the vast majority of core gamers, with franchises and New IP tied to those consoles.

If Nintendo wants their home console to have a chance at succeeding they have to:
1. Launch it holiday 2016
2. Have solid hardware (at least on par with XBO)
3. Have quality first party games
4. Have the best Wii U games remastered (or preferably backwards compatibility)
5. Have solid 3rd party support and showings both Western and JP
6. Have a solid online infrastructure and other features and functionality
7. Have a price of $299 or less

If it doesn't nail most or all of these, then it's in trouble, because at that point people will just buy a PS4 or XBO which will both be in the $299 price range more or less.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

1. Launching in 2016 is too soon, and a stupid move all around.

2. Connected to the first point; releasing in 2016 doesn't give Nintendo or third parties enough time to make new games to support the system with.
No one is going to want an NX if the only thing it's got is late ports of PS4 and XBone games that EVERYONE IS ALREADY PLAYING ELSEWHERE.

3. See No. 2.

4. Backwards compatibility is an essential.
It will lower the selling points of the console if it doesn't have it.

5. That's up to third parties, not Nintendo.
No matter how powerful the console is, if the only games third parties make for it are late ports, then third party games will flop on the NX, and they'll abandon it again without realizing it was their own damned fault that their games failed to sell.
The NX needs Witcher 4, not a late port of Witcher 3, in other words.

6. It has solid online. They just need to embrace chat functionality while keeping the online multiplayer free.

7. If it's more powerful than the XBone and PS4, and it has the most recent multiplat games instead of nothing but old ports of games from the PS4/Xbone/Wii U era, then it should be a higher price.
You wouldn't be asking Sony or Microsoft to sell a brand-new system at the same price as the Wii U was when it was brand new, so why would you expect the same of Nintendo when the system is likely going to be more powerful than the current leaders of this gen?

When the NX comes out, the PS4 and XBone will both be last-gen systems at last-gen prices.
Nintendo shouldn't need to match their price tags when they'll be delivering something more powerful.

[ABizzel1]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

1. I don't even want to go there with you, because you simply don't want them to do it, due to this minimum of 5 years fantasy you have.

2. There aren't going to be tons of new games at launch regardless. The NX isn't getting tons of 3rd party support off the top, because of the failures of the Wii and Wii U. They're getting ports and waiting until 2017, is foolish because it forces Nintendo to miss games like Dragon Quest 11 which is planned for a 2016 launch. Anyone who thinks launching in 2017 is better than getting Dragon Quest day and date needs to just mute themselves.

3. See end of comment #2.

4. This I agree on.

5. All you're only concerned about late ports, but the reason they give these "late ports" is because the franchise doesn't exist on Nintendo consoles to begin with. Simply launching the next game is another stupid idea (Mass Effect 3 as an example). What they need is a collection of the games (Mass effect Trilogy literally launched weeks before it and didn't hit Wii U), before the sequel comes outs. But games like COD, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, The Withcer, etc... aren't there to sell the NX. They're there to fill the library with games that offer a significant amount of diversity among mature games that Nintendo themselves will never develop.

6. It has basic online, that's functional in games, because there are so few games that actually use their servers. The majority of online Wii U games are 3rd party games that use their own servers. They have tons of party type games, yet a handful of them have any kind of online. That's a problem that needs to be addressed.

7. If it has better specs. then of course it's going to cost more, that's just common sense. The problem is how is Nintendo going to sell a $400 console if they can't sell a $300 Wii U, when at the time of it's launch was more powerful than the PS360. Nintendo's core fanbase doesn't care about graphics and technology, they care about affordable hardware that plays Nintendo games. Nintendo fans aren't going to buy a $400 console by the 10's of millions, when they can nearly everything they need off the $200 or less handheld, which is exactly what's happening with the 3DS and Wii U.

Nintendo is playing catch-up plain and simple. PS4 and XBO my be "last-gen" generation wise, but technologically speaking they're still on par with NX given the price range Nintendo has to stay in (same thing happened with 3DS was $250, sales tanked until the price drop). Nintendo has to go into the business of entry level hardware. It's easier to sell a $250 - $300 console with Nintendo only games, vs. a $400 ($100 - $150 in savings that could be put towards 2 - 3 games) for the sake of being slightly more powerful than PS4.

Especially with a potential $299 PS4 / XBO with 60m / 40m units sold.

THAT IS WHAT'S STUPID

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

@ Abizzel

1. You calling it a fantasy just confirms you're ignorant of the facts; most of Nintendo's home console systems have been separated by 5 years between each one, and each one has released the year following its announcement.

You can't spin that no matter how much you hate the Wii U.

2. What you just talked about is the very thing that KILLED THE WII U; relying mostly on ports did NOT do the system any favors.

Anyone delusional enough to believe that having nothing but ports to start it off, instead of investing in new games, is the way for the NX to succeed, needs to, in your own words, "mute themselves".

It'll take more than just missing out on DQ one time to make the NX flop.

3. See end of comment 2.

4. In answer to point 5: "All you're only concerned about late ports, but the reason they give these "late ports" is because the franchise doesn't exist on Nintendo consoles to begin with."

What you, and third parties, seem to be completely ignoring, is the fact that MOST WII U OWNERS HAVE OTHER SYSTEMS TOO, AND HAVE ALREADY PLAYED THOSE GAMES ELSEWHERE.

Wii U owners don't absolutely NEED these old ports; we've tried them already!
They're OLD GAMES THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PURCHASE AGAIN!
If that is the only thing offered up at launch, IT WILL KILL THE NX FASTER THAN NINTENDO EVER COULD.
The NX needs the LATEST games in series like CoD, AC, Uncharted, etc etc etc.
If it doesn't have the latest games, then the console will be off to too slow a start to convince people it's worth getting.

People keep exclaiming things like "oh, the reason the Wii U failed is because third parties sell systems, and the Wii U didn't have them!"
But when it's pointed out that the NX needs new games from third parties, which actually supports your prior point, suddenly they flip-flop right back to saying "Oh, but it NEEDS those old ports or it won't get anywhere!"

If the number of new games don't at least match the amount of ports by 1 new for every 2 old, then third parties won't profit off of the Wii U.
The priority MUST be on getting out enough new experiences to draw in a new crowd of gamers.

5. In answer to point 6.
Agreed; like I said, they need to embrace chat and other functions, but other than that, their online network is solid.
Their network isn't horrible, it just needs to include a lot of missing features.

7. They'll sell it the same way Sony sold the PS4; by making it significantly stronger than its predecessor, and showcasing new games from third parties front and center.
That's why the PS4 sold so well, and if Sony can do it, so can Nintendo.

Pricing the brand-new, and significantly more powerful, NX at the same price as a couple of LAST GEN CONSOLES, will only make people think that the specs were a LIE.

That, in turn, will decrease consumer trust and will make the console harder to sell out the gate.
If you make a powerful console, you make its price justify it.
You don't bury the console's future by selling at a tag so tragically low that it sends the wrong message to consumers.
At the very lowest, the NX should be $350, which was the price of the Wii U.
With better tech inside, even that would be a painful price tag for Nintendo, but they'd still be able to sell it, and sell it well, if they do all of the hype and advertisement as well as Sony did for the PS4.

If Sony can sell a PS4 at $400 with a significant upgrade, there's no reason why Nintendo cannot do the exact same thing.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Who is to say NX is even seeking to be a console only?

NX like I've been saying for months now may merely be a handheld that can out to the TV. I have a feeling its not going to be what many on here are thinking its going to be.

They've failed too many time at consoles only, so I don't see them going back to that, I don't see NX even being competition to the PS4 and XONE as it will be focused on the handheld market.

It can't be a console that is a handheld held based on exactly what a console is lol.

But it can be a handheld that outs to a TV ala the PSP 3000 or have a docking station for controller use etc.

NX can be more powerful then Wii U and still be a beast handheld, Nintendo might want to unify their market and not have it fragmented from handheld to console etc.

They will make a handheld that you can play on your TV as to give those who game that way a feature they are custom to, but their real market has always been the handheld market. This is a nice way to quietly leave console gaming and still give some luxury of console to their next device.

I'm going out on the limb and calling its going to be that.

[Loadedklip]

That's what I believe as well.

It will be an ultra powerful handheld with PS4 level graphics.

But you can use it as a home console.

From Iwata's speeches (may he RIP), he said about Nintendo spreading themselves too thin having to support two systems.

You know there is a Zelda game coming out this year ... but its not on Wii U.

It hurts a lot that Nintendo doesn't get third party support ... so it hurts even more when their own teams makes games on another system not called Wii U.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. They can't keep fragmenting their market. If the console thing didn't pan out, its time to just let it go.

Handheld are always more powerful then the consoles that release prior to them. PS Vita on par if not more powerful then PS3, PSP more powerful then PS2, 3DS being just as if not more powerful then the Wii etc.

Its not a stretch to see a handheld by them actually more powerful then the current consoles as that is more common then many people think.

I don't think it will be as powerful as PS4, but I see it being as powerful as Wii U if not more powerful then it.

Having a handheld give the install base ALL of Nintendo's time vs fragmenting their markets. If you want to play it on the TV...hook it up, they are correct to go this route based on the handheld market just has sooooo much more of a install base then the console Nintendo fans.

They can deal with plugging it into a TV or having it wirelessly out or something. I think its a far traded and console gamers won't be too mad at Nintendo going this route.

Considering the Wii U's sales....its very clear they don't have as much actually really seeking to buy a Nintendo console for those games, but they will a handheld.

[uth11]

"Industry leading chips"

So it comes with a bag of Doritos? :)

[Hoffmann]

Thats what Michael Pachter is hoping for!

[mezati99]

Lmao

[Relientk77]

Nice haha

[MasterCornholio]

Needs to come with mountain dew as well and be delivered personally by Geoff Keighley.

[stragomccloud]

Good one!

[Neonridr]

lol, bubbles for that sir, even if it was a backhanded compliment

;)

[AKR]

I will admit that made me chuckle. +1 dude.

[jmc8888]

The question is by how much. The 16nm node could easily bring a $299 PC GPU that is 6-10 TFlops.

I don't think they'd go with that, but a notch lower, which means this could easily be a 4-6 TFlop part. That's my guess.

[silkrevolver]

Damn! I hope it's coming soon - I have a feeling that Nintendo is about to have some big news coming out, hopefully before the end of the year.

[Gh05t]

Didnt they say they would anoounce at E3 in 2016?

[silkrevolver]

I think I do remember that, yeah.

In that case, I'd guess that they'll have a couple of more things to announce for the 3DS and Wii U (not very big things, though: that rumored Twilight Princess HD and stuff of the like) before then.

I have a theory that most big titles they had in development on the Wii U were transferred over to the NX - Zelda included. If that's true, I think Mario, Zelda, Metroid and more aren't out of the question for early lifecycle releases.

I'd still like the next Zelda to be on the Wii U - a-la Twilight Princess being on GC and Wii - but only time will tell.

[Hoffmann]

Heh, always said it will be relesed in Summer 2016 already. The wii U is more or less dead already.

[ABizzel1]

Summer doesn't make sense. Holiday 2016 at the earliest. Although an amazing E3 showing and a boom it's in stores next week would be huge.

[Moonman]

Well this is the most exciting "legit" NX news thus far.

[WeAreLegion]

Sweet. Can't wait to see what it is. :)

[slate91]

Uh oh, Nintendo strikes back?

[Relientk77]

Nintendo is The Empire confirmed

[Hoffmann]

So it is dooooooooomed after all ;)

[DragonDDark]

Hopefully its awesome ! :D

[TwoForce]

This is very interesting. I can count on you, Nintedo.

[shaw98]

I could be wrong but if they are just now handing out dev kits, then I would think they would not be releasing the NX next year. They themselves said they learned from the wii u's mistake of not having a strong line up. It make sense they would announce it maybe but they probably would want all 1st party and 3rd party games to be ready at launch, which would more logically be 2017 no earlier.

[Moonman]

Well they could always launch with an awesome first party selection (hopefully sizzling hot). Hopefully NX is very easy to develop for (extremely even). As long as the third party games are "brand new" games launching maybe on other platforms (not ports of previous third party) it can be strong.

[Kalebninja]

They very likely already handed them out to more trusted devs already because Square Enix had mentioned dragon quest for NX and they wouldnt do that if they didnt already have a dev kit. I think they are just handing it out to alot of devs now.

[LexHazard79]

Maybe they can port over some games that Nintendo fans have not had a chance to play. While development other titles happens...idk.

[Neonridr]

if the 3rd party lineup is mostly ports it could work. I mean devs that are working on games for the PS4/XB1 could easily port their games over to the NX by next year assuming the system is capable enough.

So there could still be a large selection of 3rd party software available. Nothing unique, but could at least have next years Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc etc.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I wonder if they will have industry leading apologies to make up for the last 3 generations of Nintendo consoles that third parties practically ignored.

[FoxyGotGame]

Industry leading Chipset is vague...

If NX is not as or more powerful than either PS4/X1 and fails to attract key 3rd Party publishers/studios, Nintendo will have a problem. I hope they come out the gate (Fall 2016 or later) swinging and taking names!

Go Nintendo! /

[Kalebninja]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[FoxyGotGame]

Reggieeee! Lol nicely done! )

[GranTurismoFan]

I'm so excited to find out what NX is all about. I'm sure the big N will deliver

[RedCloud88]

2016 launch is still very possible. Just handing out dev kits doesn't mean companies are just now making games for it. Console makers have conversations with game developers long before kits go out giving a baseline of power for the upcoming console. Then developers use similar spec computers to make games until the real kits are in their hands. The final product usually ends up stronger than the initial conversations suggested, which is why you see a huge jump in quality from launch games(developed mostly on"target machines") and the second wave of games that are developed on the actual hardware.

[-Foxtrot]

Mobile Unit <sigh>

" with the console or taken on the road for separate use "

So another thing people might not want, raising the price like the Gamepad when it could have been spent on the main console.

Jesus Nintendo make a standard console for once which is powerful and you'll see if you build it, they will come.

[Ck1x]

You act and sound as if this came directly from Nintendo themselves. The only news that's been confirmed is that devkits went out and it seems Nintendo plans on using industry leading chips. Everything else is just speculation at this point from news sites.

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah but we've been hearing a lot about mobile stuff and a hybrid console for a while now....not just this news

This adds onto that

[AKR]

Even if it is a hybrid, who says the mobile unit will be tied to the console? If anything, it might fall along similar lines to that of the PS4/Vita; and unlike Sony, you know Nintendo loves their handhelds.

I can see this thing being more on the Remote Play-like side, so hopefully the architecture will be very similar across the home-based hub and the handheld.

[ABizzel1]

Mobile unit doesn't mean it's anything like a gamepad. You're jumping far into the conclusion zone with that one. For all we know it's simply talking about a successor to the 3DS being compatible with NX, which is much more likely, and if it works with the NX like the gamepad kudos to them, especially if many of those games can be take on the road with you (which is doubtful, considering a hardware game, but there's always streaming and software for that).

Now I've gone to the conclusion zone..... -_-

[RalphBlutawn]

Jesus now your grasping at straws just to create some unneeded complaints.

That's sad.

[_-EDMIX-_]

At this point its looking like they are making a handheld that can out to a TV.

They have no use for the console market and making another failed console. Look at their IPs.....how many of them on console even made use of the power given? Consider that it will likely be more powerful then the Wii U as a handheld, if you can still play it on your TV like the PSP 3000, who actually cares that its not exclusively a console?

Its 100 plus million vs what? 10 million? Why should they cater to the one install base that is the weakest for them?

I think they should seek the handheld route as you still can keep some console gamers around with the outing feature as it gives some console feel to it not having to use some small screen.

I think it will have dual screens, I think when you out it to the TV, the top screen goes on the TV and the bottom screen stays on the device.

I just haven't seen evidence that people care about the power of a Nintendo console if you consider Nintendo has been creating their consoles for what THEY as a publisher are making, its very, very obvious that they don't care about what 3rd party are doing, they care about what NINTENDO needs that gen.

Sooooo what will a more "powerful" console really do for them? Have you not seen their IPs recently? They don't actually lend to the concept of needing better, more powerful hardware.

" if you build it, they will come."

Wii says hi to that logic bud. Do you think the millions that got Wii cared that it wasn't as powerful as PS3 or 360? They are just not the same markets and Nintendo doesn't have the high end market anymore, they haven't had that for generations now.

They've grown up and moved on to PS and XB for their Resident Evil, MGS ,Final Fantasy, GTA etc needs.

Who is seeking a Nintendo system for such experiences?

NX will not be that powerful as they won't be catering to 3rd party, they will seek a handheld design to cater to the handheld community, the one that does better then console every gen lol

[Jmanzare]

The wii u is going to have such a short lifespan. I am disappointed in the wii u it really lacked in games when you compare it to the wii

[DillyDilly]

The Wii U lacks in games because most games will become NX launch titles just watch

[Jmanzare]

I don't doubt it. It's just that I was always looking for a reason to buy the wii u and personally there's no games that make me want to pick it up.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

I dont see
Pokken Tournament
Genei Inbu Roku #FE
The Legend of Zelda Wii U
Star Fox Zero
Pikmin 4 wasn't confirmed for NX because it almost completed and was in work since the release of Pikmin 3. So it won't be a NX game cause NX wasn't in development but it was in early planning stage.

[jmc8888]

Short, but historically not that short.

It's already almost 3 years old. In the old days 4-5 years was a normal time for a new console launch.

It looks like this will be coming out next fall (though we did hear rumors a few months ago about next summer... so maybe).

If it comes out next fall that's 4 years.

[RPGrinder]

A hybrid system is the BEST idea. Japan is all handheld. People love handhelds.

[jmc8888]

Hopefully by hybrid they mean you can also buy their new handheld and they can link up and have features together.

I don't think they'd make the mistake of forcing you to buy the handheld with the console, plus a 'industry leading power' console + a handheld would be mighty expensive.

I think it means they are refreshing both lines and they were designed to work together... if you want.

I also suspect they will still support the Wii U gamepad in some way.

[ChickeyCantor]

All the hype.
All the hope.
All the disappointment again after E3.

I'm calling it. Everyone will shit on Nintendo again.

(Not saying im saying it's going to be shit)

[Gh05t]

Said as if Nintendos last E3 didnt deserve it. Usually a console reveal at E3 isnt crapped on by the core community. WiiU kind of was because of the gamepad and the fact the specs of the machine didnt seem that much better than the current offerings with news of better hardware coming soon by its competition.

This E3 will be Nintendos time to shine. They have every oppurtunity to steal the show with a great console announcement and a sweet game lineup.

Im hoping for a no gimmik standard console with great support and some awesome first party titles. If they deliver Im back on board with Nintendo. But if they throw more gamepad/motion controls/amiibo figurine crap im still out.

[jaymacx]

I guess be prepared to be out then, because amiibo aren't going anywhere. Not with how successful they've been.

[ChickeyCantor]

Whether they deserve it, or not, people always overhype nintendo. The disappointment is on yourself if you go to that extend.

[DillyDilly]

Hopefully by the time the NX releases. That Wii U Emulator is ready

[gedden7]

Industry leading chips.. which industry? Gaming or Tech in general? If its gaming that means xb1/ps4 but its tech then that will rival what the PC is doing... hmmmmmm...

[ABizzel1]

Highly doubtful,

Here are your most likely chips inside the NX

Radeon R9 M370x - 1 TFLOPS - 775 MHz - 2GB GDDR5
Radeon R9 M375 - 1.3 TFLOPS - 1 GHz - DDR3
Radeon R9 M380 - 1.4 TFLOPS - 900 MHz - 4GB GDDR5
Radeon R9 M385x - 1.8 TFLOPS - 1 GHz - 4GB GDDR5
Radeon R9 M390x - 3 TFLOPS - 723 MHz - 4GB GDDR5

And expect the performance of the M375, M380, and M385x to drop if Nintendo cuts the GPU clock down to around 800 MHz like Sony and MS did (so M375 = 1.04 TFLOP, M380 = 1.26 TFLOP, and the M385x = 1.44 TFLOPS).

Basically NX is more than likely going to be anywhere between 1 - 2 TFLOPS in performance.

They could go for the M390 and make a 3 TFLOP console in comparison to the XBO and PS4's 1.31 TFLOP, and 1.84 TFLOP consoles, but that would mean making a $399 Nintendo console which I can't see Nintendo succeeding with that price, with also having to build an online Network to satisfy core gamers, getting 3rd party support across the globe, and selling a handheld that'll easily be half the asking price to their biggest market of gamers. They're better off with a $299 max console price and one of the mid-range GPUs.

[dcbronco]

They could easily exceed current generation and still keep the price down. AMD is doing the parts. Since the launch of this generation AMD has made huge strides in every aspect of their parts. You could be looking at a Zen part at 14nm and Fury with a downgrade in mhz. That would be several generations ahead of the others with the benefit of being able to take advantage of the die shrinks on power efficiency. Nintendo would have three years of advancements the others can't because they are locked into their designs. Just like Xbox 360 couldn't take advantage of improvements from the slim chip. Nintendo could add a far superior chip at 14nm and still launch at $299 without any gimmicks. And being x86 with a lot more power will allow easy ports. They could steal Christmas.

[Yetter]

This console is going to be out before Zelda is released.

[RPGrinder]

Nintendo is on the right track with this. We need more handhelds and Nintendo is poised to dominate with Sony out

[fatneal]

according to quotes the NX will release the handheld part first then the console...also if the report is true that nintendo is just now releasing dev kits there is no way NX is releasing next year...i can maybe see the mobile version releasing next year but even that seems too soon. we will get a full review at E3 and we will probably get a sneak peek at games but probably not because i can see nintendo wanting the focus to be more on zelda and maybe even starfox if that still hasnt been released....at the end of the day we really dont know what NX is...but what we can surmise is wiiU is far from dead

[BootHammer]

We are all guessing at this point but I'm leaning the other way. I bet many devs have already has these kits but it's just now getting around of their existence.

Nintendo has been working hard on games for the NX without a doubt now for some time. That means a 2016 holiday release is without a doubt a possibility. This would give 3rd party devs a year or more to port over their work if the system architecture is X86 (which surely Nintendo will adopt after their failure with the Wii U). If they wait to 2017, they risk losing all those holiday sales and allowing Microsoft and PlayStation to further extend their lead.

They can steal the show at E3, build an enormous amount of hype and then make the NX the #1 sought after Christmas present of 2016. If they nail the power requirements, system architecture and 3rd party support, you better believe I"ll be picking one up the second it launches. Nintendo has had a rough couple years, I'm hopeful they return to gaming glory with the NX.

[fatneal]

i saw somewhere that nintendo is still going to use power pc architecture...its all rumors at this point but that was definitely one of them.

i just dont see nintendo doing much this E3 as far as NX goes...they will probably reveal and have devs speak about and maybe a short sizzle reel but thats it...they have to promote zelda first and foremost because he 10 million wiiU owners need stuff to buy.

also as far as 3rd party goes...well...i spoke about that below

[fatneal]

i still stand by my opinion that a more powerful console is not going to bring 3rd party back to nintendo. remember back in the day when their were sports games and shooters exclusive to nintendo consoles? that is what nintendo has to do. they have to develop or atleast fund exclusives in all genres and show companies like 2k and EA and capcom and ubisoft that their games will sell on nintendo platforms....nintendo has to channel their inner Hal Laboratory and RARE and create not just M rated games but unique fun new adventures of all kinds like they did back in the day

[Ck1x]

I don't think that Nintendo should worry about if 3rd party developers come back or not. What they need to do out of the gate is have a great launch line up and seek extra 3rd party exclusive games like Hyrule Warriors, SMTxFE early on. Even announce Bayonetta 3 for NX would set the Internet on fire.

[fatneal]

thats kinda the point i was making...they need to focus on developing their own adult oriented shooters and story driven games and sports games while also funding exclusives from 3rd parties....this will secure 3rd party games like CoD, AC, street fighter and GTA in the future...they also need a division that exclusively only work on remakes/remasters because nintendo is sitting on a bunch of game series that could be reimagined or simply remastered and fine tuned in hd.

[Bobby Kotex]

I don't game on any Nintendo console, but I do think manufacturers should have faster release cycles with backward compatibility. If they do come out with a console in 2017, maybe Microsoft and Sony will follow not long after.

[fatneal]

i sort of agree. ive been vocal about how i hate that people feel they shouldnt have to buy consoles every few years when they dont take that same attitude towards tablets and cellphones. iphones are like $700 and so are ipads and people buy those every two years but buying a console every 4-5 years is considered ridiculous?

[RiseofScorpio]

Does that dude on here with the monkey avatar still think the NX in coming in 2017? No way Nintendo waits will 17, and this news further solidifies this.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

An interesting concept if true... console and handheld unit out of the box. Basically creating a system that answers all use case needs in theory.

[R00bot]

Can imagine this bringing back many Nintendo gamers of the past who want to play classic Nintendo games at home and on the go without needing to buy multiple consoles and different games for each.

[onemixedgrill]

I will be interested in the price range that Nintendo will be going for. As a Wii U owner I feel kind of sad about my Wii U. Knowing that it has been disbanded by Nintendo already... (and no, I do not count 'Animal Crossing AMIIBO- harassment' as support, nor does a gamecube era looking StarFox...)

[masterfox]

leading chips hmm, Nintendo has all the right opportunity to make this console an instant winner, just need to be clever this time.

[DivineAssault]

With a fall 2016 release, they can get hardware on par with PS4 to gain back its 3rd party support.. PS4 isnt going away anytime soon so that would be perfect.. If they wait until 2017, it would end up being weaker than whatever the PS5 is going to do and repeat what happened this gen.. It has to launch in 2016 and with handheld integration out of the box, they might pull off something really cool.. PS4's price dropped to $350 with a game.. Nintendo can make something happen so long as it doesnt involve gimmicks.. Iwata is gone so i dont see any happening this time around..

[Twinblade]

It's Nintendo, it's gonna flop.

[Kalebninja]

Just like the Wii and DS did right?

[DivineAssault]

The wii was super successful but it wasnt anything to brag about and we all know the wii u is the worst system theyve sold.. The DS was killer and so is the 3DS but its time for them to get the ball rolling and stay on par with other systems hardware power.. They dont need media players and all that other stuff to be good.. Consoles used to be about having fun playing games and nintendo knows how to do that.. They just need the power for 3rd parties to release their AAA games on..

[Twinblade]

The only thing Nintendo have going for them is the DS.

[feraldrgn]

I don't see Nintendo as being successful with their online service, but I could see it as using a Cross-save system if it has a console & handheld built in one,
maybe the console part uses the hardware form for carts/discs/memory cards & the handheld part uses digital versions?

I just hope it's not a Wii-U 2.0

[Activemessiah]

People don't seem to understand... The reveal is next year and the launch is 2017.

[Kalebninja]

You don't seem to understand that was confirmed nowhere and is purely an assumption.

[DivineAssault]

If they launch in 2017, theyd end up having to compete with PS5 and whatever M$ is planning.. I doubt they'd do that and repeat the disastrous mistake they made this gen. It would be underpowered AGAIN and abandoned by 3rd parties soon after launch just like wii u..

[N4GJD]

I already commented this a while ago but it's worth posting it again:

"NX probably stands for Nintendo Cross and is the codename (or placeholder) for the rumored hybrid console/handheld leaked a while ago. The final name is likely unfinalized and console is scheduled for release in holiday 2016 for multiple reasons.

http://gaminrealm.com/2014/...

[Germany7]

That's interesting, can't wait for the reveal.

[MaxiPower90]

Wonder what the gimmick will be... Instead of just using there vast history of games in a virtual console that makes sense and giving there other franchises some love.

[Kalebninja]

They've only done gimmicks on home consoles twice. Every other system has had regular controllers, good ones at that. Hopefully they go back to that.

[xTheMercenary_]

Industry leading chips? Like what intel vpu's and Nvidia gpu's?? Im confused.

[susanto1228]

Doubt it if they'll use Nvidia they will cost a penny or two

[xTheMercenary_]

Probably.

[jay2]

Hopefully it'll be more powerful than 4/1 and has a decent online system, this is the tiume for nintendo to laugh at the competition and beat out the current consoles out therte

[R00bot]

In the Wii and Wii U generations I always felt like Nintendo could beat Playstation and Xbox at their own game (power + good online + third party support), now I'd like to see them have a shot at that with the NX.

[mastershredder]

Industry leading...as in the chips are made by industry leaders. This does not mean top of the line or state of the art. This is Nintendo we are talking about here, cost effective and parts easily available for mass production.

[Ck1x]

Why are people so hard of comprehension around here? It was even followed up on Twitter asking what they meant by industry leading chips and they said in comparison to the competition WiiU not being up to spec in the public perception. How does this mean anything else other than they at least want to make a more powerful console than the PS4, which many here seem to think is impossible for some odd reason.

[remanutd55]

I'm very excited about the next nintendo console, I hope Nintendo Launches the console with a new Zelda game.

[R00bot]

My body is so ready.
As someone who owns a Wii U I'm a little disappointed that it didn't last longer, but I got some of the best games Nintendo has ever put out on it, and I don't feel like my money was wasted.
I expect big things from the NX!

[Scatpants]

By "industry leading chips" they are referring to potato chips. It comes with a free bag of Ruffles.

[level 360]

Nintendo is going to play catch up as quickly as possible I think.

And if ever there would be another round of next-gen consoles after the PS4/XBox ONE/Nintendo NX for sure Nintendo will try to play line-ball with Sony and Microsoft to at least get the same developers to support them as with their competitors'.

Nintendo I think has learned their lesson not to do this on their own terms/time frame ( and by that I mean literally be their own competition which hasn't really worked ).

[iliimaster]

niiiiiinnnntendooooooooo!!!
woooohoooooooooo!!

[DarXyde]

I wonder...with the timed exclusive of Final Fantasy VII remake on PlayStation 4, is it possible that it will also be on NX and not Xbox One or PC? Will the NX have an exclusive game mode if so? That aside, if the NX can connect console and handheld, will it bring extra power a la Microsoft's Surface Book?

I'm really interested in seeing what NX will bring.

[Ch1d0r1]

Can't wait to see the specs sheet. Good move Nintendo!

[susanto1228]

Sorry Nintendo
a bit too late me thinks....by the time this console
becomes obsolete the new consoles will be out..
playing catchup is a $%$%$% when you got two
other consoles selling by the millions...

[Firebird360]

I guarantee the handheld portion of this system is a controller cradle for your smartphone. And it will access Nintendo mobile games on the app store.

[Firebird360]

Nx will be a real system, actually powerful, standard console. Play the games on the tv with a pro controller or The handheld portion, which will be a controller cradle for your smartphone, dedicated mobile games will be from the app store or play store. And there will actually be some unified Id log in system across Nintendo and app stores.

[Firebird360]

Think about it, who doesn't have a smart phone. And a console plus an actual 3ds type handheld would be too extensive. But a cradle, no more than the cost of a controller. Launch at $400.
Console, pro controller and a cradle. You grab the apple compatible bundle or the android...

[DivineAssault]

If its going to compete for 3rd party support, its best that they release it in 2016.. It cant be powerful enough to compete with sony and M$ next gen hardware so 2017 release would just repeat what plagued the wii u.. Current gen will not last 8+ years like before. On top of that, 4k tvs are becoming mainstream so that will be the resolution of the next generation of consoles.. I doubt the NX will be that powerful..The architecture is like a PC so devs know how to use it right away..

Something as powerful as PS4 releasing next year would be more logical since PS4 support isnt likely going to end anytime soon.. Then Nintendo can get all the 3rd party games other consoles are receiving and stay up to date with the graphics of each gen to follow.. With Iwata gone, i think the gimmicks are likely to end.. Only time will tell but i cant see them making anymore stupid mistakes and continuing to ruin their name.. Square already said Dragon Quest XI will be on PS4 and the NX which runs off unreal 4.. They just might cut the wii u's lifespan a bit early to correct the mistakes theyve made the past 2 generations..

[R00bot]

It'd be amazing if the NX was as powerful as the PS5 and Xbox TWO whilst coming out two years ahead. Really, cost shouldn't be a problem as long as the price has come down to as low as the PS5 and Xbox TWO when they come out.

Probably not possible though :P

[MetroidFREAK21]

There needs to be quality titles at launch...

[solidboss07]

I honestly believe that this new console will be crap, this information paints a bad picture. If they really use decent chips then the cost goes up. Great. You get what you pay for. But then they would have to add crap controllers/mobile devices to keep the costs under control, just like WiiU.
They could go all in and make a great console with great peripheral add-ons, sell it at a loss to get market share. They must still have billions in the account even after WiiU. But they are not Sony or MS. They would never do that?

[Maxor]

"Industry leading chips" meaning 30 FPS with a console that can barely do 1080p.

[Kalebninja]

The Xbox One? Wii u games have pretty all been 108op 60fps.

[Ck1x]

I think people are missing the point of where Nintendo needs to be with this next console. People seem to think that they need to completely put out something that obliterates the PS4 and XbOne all for $299. The NX needs to only be able to net Nintendo the best running software across 1st party titles and be strong enough to still have impressive looking games in the face of the next Sony and Microsoft systems.

Realistically what do people think that the next Playstation and Xbox will be housing gpu wise a GTX Titan chip or something. As generations go on its going to take more than a few teraflops more of processing power to entice the average consumer...