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The Metal Gear series, led by Kojima, pioneered the stealth genre, creating a masterclass in storytelling and gameplay.
No. But MGS5: Ground Zeroes might actually be one of the greatest Game Demo ever, if not the best.
I know a lot of people didn't, but I actually liked that story twist at the end. The game was fun and all, but I wouldn't call it a timeless classic.
Metal Gear legend stopped with number 4.
MGS5 needed a year or 2 more of development to be maybe among the classics.. it was clearly rushed, especially at the end. The story teaches us absolutely nothing new.
A demo is free that was a $40 cry for help as later we would know konami did not want to fun hideo and his team anymore that is why we got the unfinished phantom pain.
Meh
Great stealth gameplay but the game was just average.
Bland open world that felt lifeless, the story felt shoehorned in, unfinished story etc. The whole thing was just average to me compared to the other main titled games.
I would have rather preferred it if they kept Ground Zeroes for the main game as the opening and the rest of the game turns into a Metal Gear 1 & 2 remake to bring things full circle.
If you dig around they had old behind trhe scenes of phantom pain vids and books wrote around the time.
Before funding was puled the main idea was to keep peace walker coop it was in the games early builds and that end game were your building your base that was suppose to be metal gear one.
You as the fake big boss was going to make your own metal gear one map aka your base (outer heaven) then me as sold snake use the mode that is in the game invade/defeat the base even fight your current version of metal gear that was in the game but not finished.
So your idea was on the table bit got canned.
Like hell it is. That was the first time I became aware of being sold an unfinished game and was blown away about blind fanboys saying it was some perfect game.
Yea, the first few chapters were great until they do that thing halfway and make you replay all the missions again. Then little things like capturing animals but only seeing a JPEG unlike 3 where everything was modeled out. Areas were massive, desolate, and boring to look at.
Game was a massive let down for me and the potential was so high for it. Honestly, this was one of the most disappointing games I ever played. What’s worse is it starts off brilliant. You literally play through until you get to the point where you could tell they just stopped developing and then quickly used glue and construction paper to “finish” it and then sold it. Quite frankly, that’s insulting to consumers and fans.
People have selective memory. This game had huge drama attached to it, what Konami did to Kojima and this game was horrible. Now they praise Konami cause they revived Silent Hill, even though SH looks half arsed too.
I dunno if they’re getting much praise after the Silent Hill 2 debacle. Makes me scared sh*tless for the MGS 3 Remake…
I don't wanna defend konami, but Kojima had 7 years to make the game, it's not that weird for a publisher to expect a game to be finished in that amount of time.
Also no one is praising konami from what I've seen, they're just excited that a Silent Hill game is releasing
@Michiel1989
You’re absolutely correct. Look, the dude is a visionary and has brought us some incredible games, but he constantly would go over budget and could never stick to a deadline. I don’t know if people remember the MGS 4 trailers but it became a joke when you’d see a release date and then they crossed it out in the next trailer to give another.
What a lot of people don’t know is there’s a certain amount of money given for development and marketing. When you go over the budget and add additional marketing over the deadline it isn’t cheap. MGS GZ and V were laughable to me for the amount of time he had to develop them and he spent even more time on the engine that wasn’t anything revolutionary to me. I mean, GZ was nothing more than a demo and they released that art like $40 I think, probably to further help fund V. He then spent money for Kiefer Sutherland who did nothing for the character, which I think Kojima just wanted because he’s a fan.
Konami just had enough and said this is the deadline and you’re done after this. It’s business, but fans took it personal. I mean look at this Overdose game he’s been doing.,, like when is that ever coming out?
I kind of forgot about overdose but yeah exactly my thoughts. He has made some of the best games out there and definitely deserves time to create his new masterpiece, but it's not a bottomless well.
This is pure speculation but I imagine he got around 4 years to make the game excluding pre-production. If after those 4 years the game is nowhere near being done, the relationship will be strained between them one way or another.
about the konami being praised thing, if let's say blizzard announces world of warcraft 2 today I'll be excited as hell for the game, but that doesn't mean my opinion of blizzard changes only a tiny bit cause they're still trash.
Yeah, it was the only MGS I didn't play and this is coming from someone who got back into gaming after skipping a generation due to MGS4 back in 2008. It just seems to be the complete opposite of the MGS I always knew and loved (1-4).
Yes and no. In many ways in was a great game; there's a very strong argument that it has the best gameplay of any MGS game, and that it is one of the more interesting open world "playgrounds" we have gotten, in terms of how the world operates. But as an MGS narrative, it is pretty far down the list, for many reasons.
I don't think there is any argument. The gameplay was incredible. But yeah...disappointed in the rest. Could have been incredible but...well...we all know what happened...
I don't think there is much of one either but apparently some people found the world very boring compared to the more linear structures of other entries so I didn't make a definitive statement in order to acknowledge the outliers.
The thing about Metal Gear Solid is that the narrative is what determines which is your favorite because the gameplay had ALWAYS improved with every mainline entry. It's amazing.
If it was gameplay, we'd all say The Phantom Pain, but the story is what truly sets them apart.
For me, that's Snake Eater, which is also my favorite game of all time.
That's my favorite too, particularly if we are talking about the subsistence version with camera control.
Whether it's showcasing damage realistically or simulating fractures and conditions, these games are worth checking out.
It's not just the cut content. Everything about this game feels unfinished. The story is the blandest in the series, with no real bosses. Skullface feels half baked. Quiet is the most interesting character in the game by lack of anything better. Most of the plot points are lazily explained in tapes in what feels like an afterthought or left unexplained. The entire story is unfulfilling. Even as bad as MGS4 was it at least provided a conclusion. This game just exists.
And the story itself doesn't answer anything of value. This was supposed to be Big Boss's ultimate fall into villainy. And we were gipped even from that. Even if the story was finished I doubt it would be improved much. The very foundation of the story is bad. Don't even get me started on how Psycho Mantis isn't even a character here. He's just here to be a deus ex machina to move the plot forward because there's nothing really pushing it.
It isn't resolved because main story content is cut, it isn't a theory it's logic.
Come on now, use your head!
- repetitive side missions
- Africa and then the first mission back in Afghanistan, the only great main missions in the game.
- missions prior to Africa and also part 2 are a snorefest
- revisiting the SAME locations over and over again to do missions
- an open world that is bland and nothing to do outside of the outposts
With the above clear flaws in a game, yet reviews of 9or 9.5/10 show that reviewers are clueless and are scoring it high simply due to hype or $$$ from Konami.
Don't get me wrong, the actual stealth is great, but the gameplay is ruined by the above flaws
My criticisms of the game -- please do not read in case i spoil anything etc if you have not played, sorry in advance i have had a few ales.
The open world is a complete pain in the arse to navigate and
feels empty. Gta games you can literally go anywhere on the map, you see a mountain, you can whizz right up it on a mountain bike or on foot, in MGSV you see a small rock or a pavement, you have to circumvent the bloody thing like Christopher Columbus and pull up the map and go all the way around.
You go to Africa, a place crammed with the most incredible and diverse wildlife in the world. Crumbs i wonder what scary animals we will come up against. Perhaps a croc, a lion, a giraffe, a rhino, a hippo, Aha instead we get some alsation dogs, a mouse, a donkey and a zebra hybrid. The safari Konami animal pack will be available from October for 19.99 including a hamster, ferret and gerbil.
There are no indiginous people in any of the locations to bring the game world to life and repetitive mission structure becomes a chore.
I do not wish to ruffle any feathers and upset anyone but i have played all of Kojima's games and the gameplay is absolutely superb, but the game feels fractured and you can tell that the behind the scenes problems led to an unfinished product.
Here is my most contoversial comment, in my opinion the story is a contrived load of hoary old bullsh!t.
However with my criticisms, i would still score the game a very strong 9.
Jajaja, MGS2 all over again. Shallow complainers vs overinterpreters.On topic the article makes an interesting point. There are no loose ends we know how everything ends. I sure would like to see how the kingdom of the flies unfolded though.