Hines rightfully laid the inclusion of Fallout 3 on the Xbox One at the feet of Microsoft.
And there you have it, backwards compatibility has its merits.
Yeah, but the multitudes who are buyimg the PS4 don't seem to care, so....
It isn't and shouldn't be a deal barker, but I am sure there are some PS4 gamers who wouldn't mind having it included.
Literally any exclusive or feature that doesn't come to PS4 Sony fanboys claim they don't care about it. Because they have to try to downplay anything good that isn't on PS4.
aces17 - I never played it on ps3 - why would I care if it came to ps4?
Do you realise that if you don't care, that does not mean it's not still a benefit. E.g I don't care about resolution, but if it's higher on PS4, no doubt you'd say it was a benefit no?
@Bigpappy- yes..because owning a PS4 means you can't own a PS3 or 360..../s
@Aces17 Saying you don't care about something is not downplaying it for people that do. If you like Xbox games and backwards compatibility that's great for you. Obviously PS fans do not care, otherwise we would be getting Xbox One's.
I want to know why people who consider themselves gamers do not own an Xbox 360 if they care about playing Xbox 360 games. And who has Xbox 360 games to play, but not an Xbox 360? I ask because BC really isn't some godsend feature to anyone who actually cares about gaming. I mean, there is no real reason to be rid of the previous gen console just because a new console comes out, and if you use a previous console to pay for a new console, then you do so understanding that the likelihood you'll be playing those old games again (assuming you didn't also use them to buy the new console) is likely zero. I have a PS4. I also have a PS3. The only way BC would benefit me on PS4 is if it allowed me to play PS3 games I don't and never will own. So the way that it looks like when it comes to BC is either it's fans who are happy about it even though they already own an Xbox 360 and don't at all need the feature (really just happy because of convenience more than anything else, and really it's not any less convenient to keep your 360 hooked up and switch between inputs). Or it's fans who are happy about it and don't own an Xbox 360, which still begs the question of why do you have games for a console you don't own anymore? No one could have predicted that the Xbox One would eventually have BC, especially since MS were consistently saying they wouldn't implement it until they actually did. Sooooo, explain that please.
@ dragon knight To be fair, BC on XB1 can be practical for XB1 gamers who only had a PS3 last Gen and may want to play certain games (or gamers that didn't have either console last gen). For example, if a gamer never had an Xbox 360 and now has a XB1, they can play all the Gears games and catch up with the story before playing Gears 4. I think BC is like Remaster, where they target a specific demographic. They both have pros and cons. BC is free, but you are playing a outdated game (although you do get to use the features of XB1). Remasters cost money since you are paying an updated version of the game (and they can come as compilations). BC is a nice feature with good benefits, especially at no cost (even if only through emulation). I do not think it's as big a deal as some people try to make it out to be. I also don't think it's as meaningless as others try to make it out to be. I rarely used BC on my PS3, and I do not think I will use BC much, if at all, on my XB1 (probably because I have a 360 and all the BC compatible games I'm interested in I've already played). But there are many people not in the same position and BC may benefit them. As long as it doesn't interfere with current progress, I see no issue with BC.
@r2oB: But at that point you'd have to buy the old Gears games to make use of the BC, meaning that the BC is no better a feature than remasters on PS4 are, in fact remasters are better because you get more. So again, it really seems like BC is not as great a feature as some would claim.
Wow XOne can play old games. That's really awesome. /s
It's just the same last gen version of Fallout 3 that's BC on the xbone LOL! woopie. If it was a fully remastered version however, that would be a different story.
There are many reasons why BC is beneficial. But there is only one reason why someone would say it's not...
Xbox fanboys last gen; PS3 offer a lot more exclusives. Meh... PS3 offer cross buy with Vita. Meh... PS+ give free games every month. Meh...rentals! XBL price hike to $60. Totally worth it! Frequent PS3 updates. CRAP! Xbox games have slightly higher res. AWESOME! Xbox has CoD deals. AWESOME! ----------------------------- --------------------- Xbox fanboys this gen; PS4 remote play with Vita, PSTV and any android. Meh... PS4 Share Play. Meh... 900p vs 1080p. You can't tell the difference anyway! Sony CoD deal. Meh...CoD is crap anyway! Xbox frequent updates. AWESOME! XBOX1 has exclusives! AWESOME! Games for XBLG. AWESOME! Who cares if they are rental? Game stream to Win10. AWESOME! BC. AWESOME! Whatever happen to "we buy new console to play new games" thing? I wonder...
@Aces17 or maybe we bought a PS4 to play next-gen games and not last game gen. If I wanted to play F3 I would hook up my PS3, but since I bought my new console I don't use the old one anymore.
PS3 is still a amazing console, shame.
Exactly. I didn't buy a PS4 so I could play last-gen games on it. That's why I kept my PS3 and 360.
I didn't buy PS4 for the previous gen games but I would love to have Fallout 3 for it :)
Why would i want fallout3? On my ps4 i enjoyed it but now i was to play 4 not 4
It's all about the proof reading
My head hurts.
Engrish do you speak it?
Dude I hope English isn't your primary language.
Not only English. Numbers too ! >.< I hope he uses another method to calculate because he sucks at it lol
It does, but there are too many new games coming out around this time for me to drown in the Fallout 3, and then do the same again in Fallout 4. The Witcher 3 and Bloodborne are already 2 RPGs that are ridiculously time consuming. You've got to include more to a barebones last-gen game for me to want to prioritise it over new games I'm excited about. Fallout 3 can join the long list of last-gen games I would like to play again, but simply don't have time to prioritise over new games. And as much as the Xbox guys celebrated BC reveal at Gamescom as some kind of moonshot, or a reason Xbox is "winning", the sales don't seem to be indicating that it's that bothersome to most to not be able to play old games on new hardware.
SO because the BC option is not available on PS4 and is on XB1, why try to downplay it when it is a nice option? What does sales or how some PS4 gamers feel about it got anything to do with it? What if people that have never play games like Fallout 3 or Just Cause 2, or one of the Gears game or they had played a portion of it and want to continue playing it and complete it and they can do so at no additional cost? If Sony would somehow allow PS4 owners that owned the disc or digital PS3 ttiles to stream them free over PS Now on PS4 for free, is that also not a good extra incentive to have?
@Rookie: Who is the option for? Not for Xbox One owners with a 360, and not for Xbox One owners without a 360. You're saying, why not? With a 360 you don't need BC. Without a 360 why do you have 360 games in order to play using BC? So yeah, it's a nice option, but it's really only for those people who thought of selling their 360 for an Xbox One and hoped later to buy another 360 when they had the money, which is unlikely since they'd probably use that money to buy new games instead.
Really don't get the argument against BC. I have a 360. I have many 360 games, and there are countless more that I have never played including several that I would like to. My 360 has a 20GB hard drive, of which up to 13GB is usable. I can have 1 digital game on there at a push. It is also a fairly noisy bit of hardware, and 360 controllers actually feel quite clumsy after using the One controller and DS4. Now I can put my 360 away somewhere (space is a precious commodity so that alone is worth something) and still play 360 games. I can buy them for a pittance off the xbox store, or I can benefit from bonus inclusions like Just Cause 2. The feature costs me approximately 0 pence, so I fail to see how people try and spin it as a negative. Personally I've never used Share Play on the PS4, but you wouldn't have seen me in Share Play articles trying to persuade people that it isn't a worthwhile feature. Anyway, aren't there supposed to be about 50million Xbox 360s that got the RRoD? That's an audience for BC right there ;)
@Volkama: Your comparison is terrible. Share Play is a new (for consoles anyway) and unique feature to PS4. Without a PS4 you can't use it. Without an Xbox One, you can still play Xbox 360 games if you have an Xbox 360. You just used the typical "space" argument as a plus for BC when it's really not. Also, you can't just play any 360 game you want on Xbox One. You have to own it and it has to be compatible, so this "I can play games I never had before" idea isn't exactly accurate.
Hey dragonknight, nice to see you again. :D Anyways, you said "Who is the option for? Not for Xbox One owners with a 360, and not for Xbox One owners without a 360. You're saying, why not?" Who is it for? It is for gamers like you and I like you had already stated, so why are you asking me for something you already knew and said it before? DragonKnight 95d ago "BC is a big deal. It is NOT the wrong move to make. When you are charging for something your competitor is not, restricted or otherwise, you'd better have a damn better excuse than "well you don't need a PS4 to use PSNow." Gamers are the ones who'd care about BC, not your average tv or smartphone user. And since we do, we would own the console to begin with. MS knew this and accommodated for it. Sony hasn't." DragonKnight 37d ago "Honestly most companies seem to underrate the value in BC and MS was initially one of those companies, but they decided to turn that opinion around and listen to what their userbase was asking for and they should be commended for it." So probably your next reply to me is "where did you hear me say that!?" Excuses like you always tend to pull whenever you are on the wrong. But good that you are replying again, DK. LOL
Haha, WTF DK?
Cobra951 Perfectly put. +1
Yeah it does but in the grand scheme of things people dont buy consoles 3 years into a new gen to play old games...MS fanboys who think this is going to turn things around are dilusional.
Stop getting in your feeling no one said that, people are happy to play 360 on their xbox one simple as that. #1 most requested feature on xbox one.
unless they were giving fallout 3 and new Vegas a HD remaster, i don't care much i want fallout 4 and please don't do any crap about one console having expansions first i would love to know how many of you touting BC for xbox one actually care and how many of you actually tout about the feature because one console has it and another doesn't
"i would love to know how many of you touting BC for xbox one actually care and how many of you actually tout about the feature because one console has it and another doesn't." But this is also the only reason why someone would try to downplay it...
kiwi more power to those looking to play fallout 3 again. I got absolutely no problem. All i said is i am looking forward to fallout 4 and that all gamers on ps4, xbox one and pc to get the expansion at the same time but i stand by my original comment how many people actually will use the feature and how many are just making it a bigger thing than anything is those who may never use it i been gaming for 26 years and gamers are always like that. one console gets something exclusive and all of the sudden its the only thing that matters. if t does come to the other console or consoles than it wasn't that big of a deal
"i would love to know how many of you touting BC for xbox one actually care and how many of you actually tout about the feature because one console has it and another doesn't" welcome to the console war.. that statement applies to everything both systems have. ive even heard people playing up the share button as an innovation, its come to that... lol
Yes, but this is not "coming to xbox one" as a proper xbox one title... I mean, it will run much like on an old xbox 360, is this why you got this shiny new machine? They can say, hey you have this option to play the old version of the game, but don't act like this is what people want, I certainly would not bother... especially not the PS3 version, sub 720p, sub 30fps and buggy as hell! no thanks (the 360 version is better, but still no cigar).
@Aces Or maybe fannies such as yourself wants the Sony club to feel some type of way about it... We still FO4. Y should we be upset??? The its just a BC game. Not even hardly an upgrade Personally i think its a good look for XB1. We have alot of Remasters and remakes on PS4. We all get to play FO4
Weird that PS Now is was considered so great when first introduced, but somehow BC isn't good.
Righ? And you get to pay more for PS Now, which is garbage.
Meh, Bought a PS4 to play current gen games. The fact that a game isn't making it to PS4 from 7 years ago that I can play on many other platforms and probably best played on PC isn't really a biggy. You can say down playing all you want. But I don't need to replay a game I beat that long ago again when the newest iteration is coming out in 2 months. Man, The amount of things BC is adding up to is playing old games and fallout 3? I dunno, kinda disappointing considering again, most people buy new consoles for new games. Even Phil said.. himself. Only a very small percentage of people use bc anyway.
I agree. The only way I play old games on new gen console is if they are remastered (look and play better than last gen). To be honest I often use my PS3 and keep downloading PS+ games on it but I dont see the point of playing PS3 games on a PS4 specially when most people need more time and more space on their HD to play new gen games which is the point of buying a new gen console. As for Fallout 3 the best way/time for people who want to play it is probably now while waiting for Fallout 4... Its cool for people who are interested though.
I would go as far to say that many people who owned a PS3 and purchased a PS4 have kept their original PS3. Similarly those who originally owned an Xbox360. Of course backwards compatibility would have been a system seller on launch but now a quarter if the way through this console generation not so much
As I have the Anthology preordered I couldn't care about getting FO3 on PS4. Just over a week to go :) But for those that don't I don't see it as a problem as everyone should have at least one last gen console and it was available for both. Can't understand why anyone would get rid of their old when you are constantly getting free content through PS+ every month. I will never buy another last gen game but sure want those 24 free games each year that come with my online play and games for my PS4
@DragonKnight BC benefits Xbox one owners whether you owned a 360 or not. Games with gold titles will be backwards compatible so even xbox one owners who never owned a 360 will be able to play 360 games without having to buy any.
I just wish I could play it for more than ten minutes on my PC without it crashing.
There is actually a fairly simple fix to keep the game from frequently crashing, since Fallout 3 is pretty disagreeable with most modern hardware unless you make an ini file tweak. I went from crashes every time I moved left just a little too quickly to only crashing from a genuine bug and not just the game being a hulking pile of manure. A quick Google should find the fix.
Already tried it. I really appreciate the help though!
Because PS4 has no BC option? Gamingbolt, why write a piece that is obvious.
I agree with your comment completely 110%... But, to answer your question, it is probably a spite piece for all the 1080p (PS4) vs 900p (X1) articles that always come out. Everyone knows that X1 has a lower resolution on many games and everyone knows that PS4 does not have backwards compatibility. But, so called gaming journalists seem to think it is important to keep reminding the world. Frankly, these so called gaming journalists are just fanboys disguised as media. Ridiculous, immature, and stupid really.
Because its another opportunity to have fanboy wars raging in the comments.. Gaminbolt is good at it
Good thing I have it on my 360 then.. Just started playing it a few weeks ago actually.. Trying to get thru it before 4 comes out!
A perk for getting it on XB1 I guess. Seems cool.
How unfortunate for PS4 only owners who would like to re-visit Fallout 3 without re-purchasing a last-gen console... If I were to get the game at all, it would definitely be on XO thanks to that backward compatible bonus.
Damn...what a shame...good thing I bought FO3 7 years ago huh... Love how people act like BC is a deal changer lol. Good for you though ;) I'll just fire up my 360 / PS3 when I want to play old games.
Backwards compatibility is great at the start of a new console generation since you can still play the games you have not finished on your old console. Actually this is the main reason why I don't have a PS4 yet since I have a huge library of PS3 games I have yet to finish. I still have PS2 games and to a lesser extent PS1 games that I do play on the odd occasion. Having BC when the console is a third or quarter of the way through it's lifetime while nice is not the great incentive as it would have been if it had BC from the start.
That's the thing, this is a "nice to have" kind of thing... people acting as if this was more than a convenience feature are just out of their mind (I had a phat PS3, played like 3 PS2 games on it over the generation, and I NEVER had a PS2 before... because I was just not that interested). Anyway, given the choice I'd rather take ports of these good old games so they can run properly on the new hardware as opposed to playing them in the broken state they shipped in the first place (during the PS360 gen I NEVER played any cross plat on either console, the frame and resolution were just un-bearable most of the time for someone coming from PC).
The point of my comment is to highlight the benefits of Backward Compatibility on XO. I'm not trying to downplay the PS4 so please take your imaginary console war and defence squad elsewhere. The PS4 doesn't need protection. It already has a heatsink/fan built-in ^^.
So that means I'll have to put fallout 3 in my PS3 if I want to play it??!!! But it's so far away (looks at PS3 next to ps4) and I don't have the time to eject the netflix DVD...... Urrrggggg oh well back to destiny or the witcher3 or any of the other games in my backlog until fallout 4 releases.
Netflix still requires a DVD in your country?
I dont know why but I laughed super hard at your comment!
Yes damn our 1st world problems!
My son subscribes to Netflix which he can watch in his room via his PS3 while my wife can watch a different Netflix show via my PS3 in our living room. As for a Netflix DVD what country are you living in?
Netflix still has a DVD service that you can add on to the main service to rent newer movies. http://dvd.netflix.com
I did everything I possibly could in Fallout 3 and New Vegas . You can buy it for dirt cheap on last gen consoles but neat for people who never owned a last gen console. If it was a remaster this would matter to me .
Fallout 3 is one of those games you can come back to, and play it for weeks. It is crazy when you discover something you missed years ago. I don't see why anyone who is a fan of the fallout series would not want it again.
i have a PS4 , i will be getting Fallout 4 on the PS4.. and it will sell more copies on this system im sure of it... Ppl on the internet make a small portion of ppl that actually care for backwards comp. they are just so vocal about it that it seems like theyre many of them... and i dont care for Fallout 3 anymore. ill be on that FO4