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How Naughty Dog challenged tropes and stereotypes with Ellie in ‘The Last of Us’

Popoptiq: Later in the same year [that Bioshock Infinite was released] the fine folk at Naughty Dog faced a similar issue with The Last of Us. They too had a game that featured a female companion in their story. They too had created a female character that was every bit as important to their game as the male lead. And they too were asked by the higher ups to consider changing their box art to excise the pesky, unwanted girl from the cover. The difference was that, whether down to artistic integrity, or just the fact that after a string of hits Naughty Dog had been given carte blanche by Sony to do whatever they wanted, they flat-out refused to change their cover for The Last of Us. Those mavericks at Naughty Dog demanded that Ellie stayed front and center because they felt that she was just as integral to the story of the game as Joel was. Yes, they risked it all by letting customers know that if they bought the game, there’d be a girl in it. And The Last of Us went on to sell millions. Who knew?

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ClayRules20123517d ago (Edited 3517d ago )

Good for Naughty Dog for believing in the character of Ellie & standing by her being on the cover with Joel. Those 2 together are a real team.
Ellie wasn't just some amazingly written/acted character in the cutscenes of the story & then transition to gameplay where she doesn't know what the heck she's doing.

Ellie was such a big help to me when playing TLoU. I remember her saving my butt so many times during the game. But, also just the conversations Ellie & Joel would have while walking around, looking at different things in the world. Such as her looking at the records in the music store. She wasn't your typical clueless companion, she was a living breathing person, ( Brilliantly played by Ashley Johnson ) trying to survive in this world that has gone to "Sh*t"

Ellie & Joel needed each other & Naughty Dog showed that. It would've been ignorant & wrong to have left Ellie off the cover "in my opinion'

DiaperFace3517d ago

Damn dude, take it down a notch, you're too serious and emotional like Naughty Dog deserves a Nobel Peace Prize and Ellie actually saved your literal life. Probably better step back, its just a game.

It's just a high quality zombie Uncharted mod with a well told, decently acted cliche story with bad AI and stealth. Naughty Dog even admitted that the AI couldn't be helped, especially Ellie's, and any issues people took with the gameplay were generally with stealth or crafting, which were meh.

I think TLOU is the most overrated game in a long time by a company people only started praising since Uncharted (not everyone is a Crash fan). People act like Naughty Dog is perfect but their library is littered with trash (Math Jam and Way of the Warrior, anyone?)

I brought the truth. Bring the hate.

DoctorFry3517d ago

You just started a war by saying that on N4G. I wish you the best of luck.

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ClayRules20123517d ago (Edited 3517d ago )

I'm not going to bring any hate. There's no reason for me to do that.
Also, i'm very aware that TLoU is a video game. I know its not real life. Emotionally, TLoU hit me very hard. The characters "in my opinion" were amazingly written & brilliantly acted by the entire cast. TLoU is the most emotional, gripping, intense game i've ever had the opportunity of playing.

If it didn't hit you on a similar level that's okay. Games effect people in different ways.

Some people may act like Naughty Dog is perfect, but i'm not. I will say, however, that I believe they're the best game developers in the industry. The fact that everyone at ND has a voice & is allowed to give their opinions /critisize someone's work is why I believe they continue to create amazing video games.

TLoU won more goty awards than any game in history, like bruce775 stated. I believe there's a reason for it winning that many goty awards. Anyways, you take care DiaperFace. God bless you.

Batnut003517d ago

Good god, what a load of crap. Are you really resorting to bringing down a studio's credibility with games they developed in 1985 and 1994 on the Apple 2 and 3DO? That was DECADES ago, and considering their Crash Series has had plenty of acclaim along with Jak and Daxter, Uncharted, and TLOU, they have more than earned all the praise and faith that they've achieved. And than you attack a guy for sharing his appreciation of a character? That's just rich.

TricksterArrow3517d ago (Edited 3517d ago )

Well... Different things resonate differently for different people. I read several articles on how people were "saved" from severe depression by TV shows, music, movies and... Yes, games. There's even a movie in which games play a major part on a guy's life, I don't recall the name of the movie, but it was Shadow of the Colossus.

Plus... There is no such thing as "overrated" in entertainment. People rate and regard anything according to their own personal taste. You're free to agree or disagree with them though, but it doesn't make you anymore right nor wrong than anyone else. Step down a notch.

SCW19823517d ago

Naming two games absolutely sounds like the library is littered with trash. Everyone is a critic these days, just look at this Diaper Deutsch.

Sharingan_no_Kakashi3517d ago

I believe Math Jam was used in schools. Either way its a bad argument sense they weren't even called Naughty Dog when Math Jam was made, and they had a completely different team. Not even a team, it was just the 2 founders Andy Gavin and Jason Ruben (who were both 15 years old when they released Math Jam). They handed the company over to Evan Wells and Christophe Balestra in 2007. They created the Uncharted series and The Last of Us.

Saying Crash was mediocre because some people didn't like it is just nonsense. It was highly praised, and people are still asking for a sequel. You completely forgot about Jak, which was highly praised and people are still asking for a sequel to also.

As for The Last of Us, while it's gameplay was nothing ground breaking, and the AI was bad, it achieved what it set out to accomplish. It was a graphical benchmark, it had an engaging top notch story telling, and it had very intense action. Nothing necessarily new but it had never been done on that level before.

As for it's rating, there is no doubt that some people just hopped on the "perfect score" band wagon, just because its naughty dog. But it's still deserving of all it's praise.

OhMyGandhi3517d ago (Edited 3517d ago )

DiaperFace, it's too bad that you feel that way. Everyone has their own opinions. I will never expect people to feel the same way I do.

What I think is funny is that when my PS3 died, I never had the chance to play the game. I bought the game for my older brother for his birthday, but never actually had the chance to play the game until I bought a PS4 and the remastered version. This was after all the awards came through, and the hype never changed.

I came in expecting something like a true masterpiece, and to be entirely honest, It wasn't holding up to my expectations...at first. I'd play a few hours here and there, but gradually, I felt more and more compelled to play it. The storytelling, while not the most original in post apocalyptic scenarios, was well told. People told me beforehand that it was the closest we'd get to Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" and I agree one hundred percent. There is a moodiness that is hard to quantify. There is an atmosphere, a world so well realized, characters so deeply grounded and as naked and gritty and real as they come. Angst, resentment, anguish, despair; all of these emotions, I felt like I couldn't breath. Gustavo Santaolalla's stunning soundtrack made me feel absolutely devastated at times, and quickly.

The Last of Us has the unique honor of being the game that bought me to tears in the shortest amount of time. Not since "Up" did I feel as emotionally exhausted after the first ten minutes. It felt...good though. It made me so happy and privileged to play a game that sucked me in, and peer into an alternate world that felt familiar in so many ways. In fact, The Last of Us had the same intensive lived-in feeling, and attention to detail, in its interiors as a game like "Gone Home". I understood exactly how these people lived their lives, and how they perished.

You can go ahead, DiaperFace, and have your opinion of this game. Call it overrated. Pick it apart. That's the beauty of the internet. We should not be condoned for having dissenting thoughts on the same subject matter.
But that doesn't prevent me from saying that I respectfully disagree with everything you just said.

Bathyj3517d ago

I cant believe someone tried to drag down Naughty Dog by mentioning 2 games that were probably made before he was born.

Uncharted Zombie mod? I...I just dont even know what to say now.

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Featuring_Dante3517d ago

Man... you really sound desperate. Its just a game, you dont have to sound like tool while praising it.

Thatguy-3103517d ago

Honestly if it wasn't for the character Ellie I don't think I would have even paid attention to the title. I remember what captivated me the most when it was first announced was seeing how a kid interacted in the post apocalyptic world. ND does story telling the right way and that's by making it realistic. Joel's character was great but Ellie is simply the heart and soul of the game which makes it hard to believe that they won't continue her story for the sequel.

DoctorFry3517d ago

People give Naughty Dog too much credit for the littlest of things. This is just trivial at this point.

DiaperFace3517d ago

Agreed. The box could be blank and it wouldn't matter, obviously. Digital doesn't have one.

ameliabaz3517d ago

It might seem trivial, but it's a small step in the right direction in standing up to the shitty publishers who are still stuck in the outdated mindset that "Gamers don't like girls" or "Gamers are only interested in guns and explosions" or whatever other stupid stereotypes that publishers have about us that they think will make a game sell.

Thatguy-3103517d ago (Edited 3517d ago )

Small things lead to big results. That's what people fail to realize. These "small" little things take the experience one step further.

"The Last of Us tells a story that is neither wholly original, nor particularly daring on paper. We’ve all seen the set-up before. But where The Last of Us excels is in making the player care about the characters, lending a lot more power to a story that is, at it’s core, built upon genre tropes"

TricksterArrow3517d ago

Yep. Too bad so many developers lack this kind of attention to detail. Kinda bad some gamers do as well, which would explain why so many crappy games keep getting pumped out year after year.

Featuring_Dante3517d ago

I saw nothing original about her...

DiaperFace3517d ago (Edited 3517d ago )

Yeah, she's just a normal girl. She could be replaced by any generic teenager without consequence.

ameliabaz3517d ago

You say that like its a bad thing. Of course Ellie is a normal/generic teenager. That's kinda the point.

Gwiz3517d ago

With the Last of Us Remastered she kept stuttering with me lol.
I still have the PS3 version though that still works fine.

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The Last of Us Complete Now Available on PS5, Physical Collector’s Edition Coming July

Two award-winning masterpieces, together in one incredible collection.

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Christopher15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

As expected. Unless it's going to Xbox or Switch 2, we can stop hearing about these older games now? We can move on to just news about new games?

darthv7215d ago

....until the PS6 remake followed by the PS7 reboot

Christopher15d ago

Man, first year of PS6 is going to be 90% remasters. I'm going to hate it and likely hold off until new games actually get released that I can't play on my PS5.

Cacabunga15d ago

Yes I’m waiting for complete remaster…. On ps5

OtterX15d ago

...20 years later, "you haven't heard the last of us yet!" *releases The Last of Us Retro Collection*

cloganart15d ago

@Christopher

Oof, yeah. I don't think I'm picking up the PS6 until "Pro" comes out 😂

Cacabunga14d ago

I haven’t played Tlou1 since PS3 and i have the greatest memory of it

Notellin14d ago

I'm already dreading all the cross generation games and remasters we'll see with the next round of consoles.

LonDonE14d ago

lmao this is getting ridiculous but thing is if people keep buying them.. then why would they stop making them?
Peeps STOP BUYING this game.. that actually hurts me to say this as the last of us is high up on my greatest games of all times.. its one of the few games i played through start to finish 3/4 times back to back as i loved it so much. But sony need to stop, give us a Resistance 3 remaster, i would love and buy that.. such an underated series as was killzone.
Or give us infamous.. so many great series and titles i would gladly buy but they just want to keep giving us last of us.

I am done buying that game.. i would only buy part 2 remaster if they remade it and kept joel alive, or i am not interested. Hate last of us 2s story killing off joel.. the actual game is stunning and incredible, they improved so much in the gameplay department but i hate the story with a passion.

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Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

We can stop hearing about it when they stop re-releasing them I guess.

I reckon the ps6 version will be 8k 240 and I'll still not care.

I miss new games from nd

Inverno15d ago

And HBO just announced season 3 even tho LoU2 couldn't possibly be so long that it wouldn't be able to fit in 1 season. They're just milking it at this point.

darthv7215d ago

speaking of the HBO series... I felt they should have made part 1 across two seasons, then address part 2 in seasons 3 and 4. so now i have a feeling they rushed through part 1 in season 1 to make season 2 a cliff hanger with Joel's impending demise being the starting point to Season 3.

-Foxtrot15d ago

I love how they decided to rush, chop and change things for Season 1 to get through the game yet for TLOU Part II it’s like “we’re going to do multiple seasons and take our time”

Inverno14d ago

Okay after seeing that there's only 7 episodes I take it back. Though I think it's incredibly stupid not to have just made the season longer. Another season just to finish what could've just been a 13 episode season seems counterintuitive but aiight. I put that on HBO tho.

Neonridr15d ago

This will be the 4th time Sony sells us The Last of Us Part 1.. And the 2nd time on the PS5.

Knushwood Butt14d ago

They don't want Metroid Prime holding that record,

NotoriousWhiz14d ago

Strange, I thought the record went to Street Fighter 2.

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FPS_D3TH15d ago

We are approaching Skyrim levels here

Profchaos15d ago

At this point we are at Skyrim in terms of frequency. Skyrim was one per generation. If you exclude VR Skyrim we've now exceeded it

Tlou 1 PS3, 1 PS4 2 ps5
Skyrim 1 ps360 2 PS4/x1/vr 1 ps5/sx

Tlou 4
Skyrim 4

Christopher15d ago

Not quite. Skyrim had:

PS3/360/PC
PS4/X1
VR
Switch
Skyrim Special Edition PC/PS4/X1
Skyrim Special Edition PS5/XSX

VersusDMC15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Also add skyrim bundles like the one below and all the humble bundles since that's what everyone is doing here

https://www.xbox.com/en-CA/...

darthv7215d ago

@Chris, LoU is getting just as bad by milking the same user base. At least Skyrim was able to sell to a wider audience via different platforms.

Christopher15d ago

@darthv72: I don't know why you're telling me that. I only corrected on number of Skyrim re-releases/ports/etc. I didn't say anything else.

Profchaos15d ago

@christopher guess I forgot just how much was out I think the special editions are technically one release despite being cross platform though would the Alexa version count

Christopher15d ago

@Profchaos: I guess, but I'd consider it a separate release since it rolled them into one at a later date but definitely there is a PS5/XSX version with PS5/XSX supported updates specific to them.

Chevalier14d ago

"LoU is getting just as bad by milking the same user base"

Weird. Like 35% of PS5 owners are NEW to Playstation. Plus this is really for new fans from the TV series for season 2 of TLOU.

I recall the same idiotic comments when the 1st one was remade just before TLOU TV Series came out and it went on the be one of the best selling games that year.

So maybe get your FACTS straight. Unlike Skyrim getting literally releases in 3 generations and 10 releases.

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Neonridr14d ago

I gotta figure RE4 is up there too

FPS_D3TH14d ago

No. Those are remakes. Not remasters

Neonridr14d ago

@FPS - we've had quite a few RE4 remasters, only 1 remake.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

@FPS_D3TH

It blows my mind how people do some mental gymnastics to try to cope with a game they like doing the same thing (technically more) they’re complaining about for another game.

RE4 - PS2, GC
RE4 w Motion Controls - Wii
Literally RE4 HD Remaster - Xbox 360, PS3
I’m assuming a port of RE HD - PS4, Xbox One
RE4 Remake - PS5, Xsex

1 Remake and the bunch are Remasters… how, I mean how—Y’know what, it doesn’t matter anymore…

P_Bomb15d ago

Store says I already own it. I guess it’s just a straight twin-pack. Looks like they added 4 maps to ‘No Return’.

VersusDMC15d ago

You don't need to buy this to get the maps, marlene and bill. It all got patched in to the game on the 3rd.

P_Bomb15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Good to know. I’ve watched runs of ‘No Return’ but have yet to try it myself. Soon, soon 😉

Knushwood Butt15d ago

Yeah, No Return got a content update.
Three new trophies too.

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A mysterious physical edition of a Naughty Dog game is in the works

billibil-kun: "As The Last of Us season 2 prepares to air on HBO, we've spotted a mysterious reference to a special edition of a physical PS5 game from the franchise. Here's our take on the game, which remains unclear for now."

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Relientk7725d ago

It's probably a bundle of both The Last of Us games

Nyxus25d ago

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. The Last of Us Part 1 + II Remastered.

lukasmain25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

That's totally what it is I believe. It would be a great bundle for new players getting into the ecosystem

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Goodguy0124d ago

They're really milking this franchise lol

anast24d ago

You must comment on every Mario, Zelda, and Skyrim article too.

darthv7224d ago

....because there has been the same mario, Zelda and Skyrim games for three console generations?

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isarai24d ago

@darthv72

Literally yes 🤨

Cacabunga24d ago

Every Mario and Zelda is different. This is just the exact same game over and over

anast24d ago

Skyrim, yes. Mario and Zelda since the 80's

Loktai24d ago

@darthv72 Uh yes. Yes it has. They milked BOTW across Wii U and switch and they STILL want 40+ for it new and never discounted it. They made "remasters" of older zelda games as well on switch and in the past onto the other gameboy platforms from the older platforms. They have done the same with Mario. They port the paper mario games and mario RPG to switch. And now I PROMISE you they are going to show "enhancements" for those same games on Switch 2. I PROMISE you thats going to get mentioned, maybe even tomorrow. Last of us Part 1 has been across techncially 3 generations, but 2 has been 2- and JUST BARELY 2 because it released just a few months before the PS5 did - and so if that counts as milking it, what do you call breath of the wild on Wii U then going to switch or Twilight Princess coming uot on gamecube and Wii - OR ZELDA WIND WAKER HD coming out?

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Chevalier24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

"Skyrim games for three console generations?"

Darth showing some idiocy here. Seriously yes Skyrim has been re-released more than any other game period. It's been released on 3 generations - PS3, PS4, PS5, PSVR, PC, PC VR, Switch, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox Series X/S. That's 10 releases across 3 generations! So Seriously get your DAMN facts straight.

Yui_Suzumiya24d ago

And yet Fallout 3 has never been Remastered. Prison time should be given for that offense, lol

darthv7224d ago

Skyrim sure, but the other two... not so much

thorstein24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

@darth GTAV says hi.

Skyrim has an Alexa edition.

Chevalier24d ago

Clearly a guy with business acumen! Why would Sony want to rebundle games and release them in time for the 2nd season of TLOU to release? I mean the last time a bunch of idiots laughed at Sony then guess what? TLOU part 1 for PS5 only hit top 5 sales and kept popping onto charts throughout the year?! Lol

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Chevalier24d ago

"Skyrim sure, but the other two... not so much"

Multiple Mario and Zelda games have made 2 generations. Maybe you guys forget that over a 3rd of the gamers on Playstation have NEVER owned a Playstation system before and some are coming into it as a result of the TV show.

People said the EXACT same crap when the 1st game got released on PS5, but, it ended up being one of the best selling games the year it came out.

Also for all the idiots complaining. Playstation at least offer $10 upgrades for some of these games. Have you EVER seen a re-release by Nintendo, Xbox, Bethesda offer that?! No I didn't think so.

darthv7224d ago

releasing a newer version because the previous version is not physically compatible is not quite the same as taking a perfectly good existing game that already works on the newer platform and repackaging it under a remaster brand for that newer platform and then repackaging it AGAIN for the same platform.

And that whole line of *insert people here may not have had a PS before* is a line of BS. PS2 is the most selling platform in history... chances are very good a high percentage upgrade to the PS3 and then upgraded to the PS4 and are upgrading again for the PS5. So dont give me that line of bologna. you'd rather swallow every bit of Sony propaganda instead of call them out for milking (and yes this is milking) this game. You know there will be a PS6 version and likely a PS7 remaster.

Of course i am purely speculating on the 6 & 7 but there is a high degree of probability because of what they did already between 3, 4 & 5. And you defending even the $10 upgrade when most of the XB games get free upgrades is just another sign of your blind loyalty. I didnt think it possible and gave you benefit of the doubt but now I can see i was totally wrong.

Chevalier23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

@Darth

Again your examples are absolutely terrible. Repackaged games for new audiences isn't new with the high cost of development. This release is timed for people that are new to Playstation coming from watching season 2 of the TV show. If you're surprised and annoyed by this then stop gaming then. It will happen if there's some new Skyrim, Fallout, Doom or whatever TV show comes out too.

Also you're the guy who defends Xbox for this crap too. Skyrim releases were done while owned by Xbox.

Also you mentioned the PS2, repackaged games happened all the time then too. If you think that repackaged games is going to go away with the skyrocketing cost of development is going away then sorry cover your eyes and plug your ears and pretend like an idiot then. You will be complaining daily soon.

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OhReginald24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I hope it's both ps5 games bundled with all updates including the new no return add ons for April. I'll triple dip on that.

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First look at the DualSense wireless controller – The Last of Us Limited Edition

Pre-orders begin March 14 for the iconic new controller inspired by The Last of Us series.

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Profchaos48d ago

I've liked the recent designs lately but this seems like a bit of a miss I would of expected a more tattered design it's to clean to really sell it as a tlou theme.

lucasnooker48d ago

Nice controller but where are the games?

BABI-PANGPANG48d ago

Not a big fan of the three white symbols. They fit too neatly on the controller, making the design feel too clean for the game's vibe. I think it would work better with either one large symbol or all three in different sizes, with parts cut off at the edges, like a quick, rough paint job meant to stand out rather than look polished.

darthv7248d ago

This controller will get a remaster on PS6 and then a remake for PS7.

MatrixxGT48d ago

Missed opportunity….they could have used the cordysceps virus strands wrapping out it. Spores, vines, anything pertaining to the actual series other than faction symbols.

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