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Metal Gear Solid 5: It is time to admit Hideo Kojima is a terrible writer

For being wacky, strange and indulging in smug, post-modern humour, Hideo Kojima is lauded in the gaming industry as a pioneer. But he's a terrible writer. For every rehashed philosophical ponder he airlifts into his scripts, there's a convoluted plot-line, reams of sexist rubbish, a twist just for the sake of having one.

Play the Metal Gear Solid series 10 times then sit down and try to recount, in detail, the story. Try to explain the contradictions and the myriad non-sequiturs. Attempt to describe, with a straight face, the fact that in Metal Gear Solid 2 Revolver Ocelot's mind is controlled by a grafted-on arm, but then in Metal Gear Solid 4 it's explained that actually he'd hypnotised himself to make it look like the arm was in control of his mind, so that government spies wouldn't think he was a threat.

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DarkOcelet3529d ago

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is the worst of them, and the most poorly written game I've ever played."

" Watch the scene where Johnny tells Meryl he loves her while fighting off the Outer Haven troops, or the wedding sequence at the end, or the epilogue where Big Boss returns to try and explain the entire series' plot "

I just played MGS4 one month ago and i honestly don't know wtf to say to the author of this article. I don't hate criticism but calling Kojima's writing garbage is plain effin stupid. I wont defend Kojima, all i can say is that millions have enjoyed the series for what it is and it is one of the very few games where i had tears at the end. The dialogue between Snake and Big Boss was one of the best i have seen in my life. Just a father and son talk. It was damn perfect.

Nitrowolf23529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

Here's the thing. I won't defend him to death or anything, an dI'll agree there has been a ton of questionable writing in MGS, but exactly like you said.
" millions have enjoyed the series for what it is and it is one of the very few games where i had tears at the end."

The games not perfect when it comes to writing, but holyshit this guy seem to miss the points here and there.

So here;s the thing about the whole Liquid possesses Ocelot in MGS2.
The responses in this forum explains it
SPOILERS
http://www.ign.com/boards/t...
END SPOILER

Yea, MGS is confusing, but if you put pieces together it fits. The story is epic when it is, and at the same time isn't suppose to be completely serious.

DarkOcelet3529d ago

Yeah, i know that Ocelot is the Boss's and Sorrow's son.

I love Ocelot's character so much hence the reason i got the name DarkOcelet. MGS isnt confusing, it just wants you to have an open mind and accept the weird stuff that happens in its world.

freshslicepizza3529d ago

kojima has a huge following and they will eat up whatever he puts out there. maybe this is just a difference in culture thing

bouzebbal3529d ago

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is the worst of them, and the most poorly written game I've ever played"
Witness this folks, COD and FIFA are better written then MGS4.
Get out of here.....

WTF
No

Name Last Name3529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

WTF this guy is just clueless about the story. As you can see in MGS4's last battle, Ocelot replaced his WHOLE arm with a bionic one so that he couldn't be controlled anymore by liquid's hand (which happened because Ocelot is The Sorrow's son and has some of his medium powers).

XBLSkull3529d ago

Article speaks the truth. Kojima fanboys everywhere will disagree. I've only played 2 and 4 but the writing and stories are ridiculous.

breakpad3529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

i say that Kojima always included in his games metaphysical and paranormal phenomena ...with MGS 4 tried to explain all these with realistic excuses (nanomachines , Ai , Hypnotizing etc) for unknown idiotic reason...IMO MGS4 was poorly written not because was convuluted but because Kojima (probably listening oother members of his team) tried to realistic explain the metaphysical nature(and one of the most loved and intriguing aspect of the series) of MGS... smthing like when Lucas tried to explain Jedis in Episode 1 ...otherwise author of this article is completely clueless biased and unintelligent ...

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Revengeance3529d ago

@XBLSkull

If you only played 2 and 4 you shouldn't even be talking. Leave this to the people that have played all the games actually know what the story is about.

XBLSkull3529d ago

Sorry but there is no way the story and writing is so great in MGS 1 and 3 that it makes up for the two that I have played, and while I can't say for sure I almost guarantee it is more of the same.

pinkcrocodile753528d ago

Sorry dude, I've played they from MGS2 onward and like a lot of Video Games, the writing is spectacularly rubbish.

It's true what they say, "Those that can't write, teach and those that can't teach write for video games".

I read on average 4 to 5 novels a month so I take pride in being able to discern quality from drivel. The one thing that is clear is that video game writers are failed novelists with only a few exceptions, Rhianna Pratchett and Chris Avellone among them.

It's not Hieo's fault, he's a director / dev whose doing too many things. Next time get a professional in and leave them alone to develop a decent narrative, back story and progression arch

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equal_youth3529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

As a writer myself i dare everybody who agrees with this to write a story on the same scale as kojima. then we can talk again. criticism is easy, being creative on the other hand...

I should add that english isn't my main language.

asmith23063529d ago

That's dialogue. Not the same as story.

kneon3529d ago

The dialog in most video games is so cheesy that they should come with a warning for those that are lactose intolerant.

JackVagina3529d ago

Ooo a MGS4 fan! here let me link this to you http://i.imgur.com/PeC5DYj....

I'm sorry.

Jokes aside MGS4 is my second favorite MGS game (behind 3) and i thought BB showing up was epic.

DarkOcelet3529d ago

MGS3 is my favorite too. Big Boss and Boss relationship and the whole game was beautiful.

LightofDarkness3529d ago

I agree, even though it had its issues 4 was a great game to play (not so much to watch). Three had the balance the best so far, but sounds like 5 will top it.

Flo-con3529d ago

"I wont defend Kojima, all i can say is that millions have enjoyed the series for what it is and it is one of the very few games where i had tears at the end."

Millions enjoy soap operas... That's not really a good argument.

(I'm not saying that Kojima's writing sucks btw)

Palitera3529d ago

The only thing that reliefs the current state of game blogging (this is not even close to journalism) is how stupid and mad readers are on an obvious troll article.

Haha

So much naivety. No wonder the industry is how it is today. So easy to fool these people...

-Foxtrot3529d ago

As a writer myself I think people enjoy the Universe he's created not the dialogue or in *some* parts the story.

When people say he's the best writer ever thats where I have the problem but there isn't really anything wrong with it like it's "awful" I just think people give him a little too much credit.

Lets be honest the overall story is so complicated and I honestly think the reason why there is so many games explaining parts of the story is because he's had to because of what he's wrote in the games set in the present.

Anyway his games aren't awful and his writing isn't but his writing isn't amazing either which most people like to think.

The Universe he's created with the setting, tone, characters, all the stuff about war, soldiers, Metal Gear etc that's what people like the most in my opinion

joeorc3529d ago

@ Foxtrot

"Lets be honest the overall story is so complicated and I honestly think the reason why there is so many games explaining parts of the story is because he's had to because of what he's wrote in the games set in the present."

Remember this: nothing in war is ever really straightforward!

Psychology is used in war just as much as sending men and women to areas of support to be set as bait for an attack against those supports , just so as to gauge the opponents strength in that section.

Its dirty, its evil and by the onset its never show to be straightforward except in its objective. But knowing the objectives is those that are in leadership's and even than, you may only see just one objective.

The fact kojima wrote it this way I'd say is exactly why its such a popular series, because only this series in computer console gaming has come close to the real concepts on how a war is ran..its never what you see being how the series is ran, its the plots and strategic ploy and play that is used during the operations.

During this series you find out things about the characters and some opposition character's , many Influence's in kojimas style in writing can be seen taken from Flemming's works. Or from characters that are made designed larger than life like elrics saga leading up to hawkmoon: the eternal soldier.

The idea is of things that are hidden in a war that is the real parody's of tragic day to date life of a real soldiers existence to have it bend, and break to the orders of someone else..always someone else.

Thats what kojima was going for and guess what being a former soldier myself he gets it, he has a tongues and cheek methodology in the series because war in all its shape on the battle field is not very pretty especially from the men and women who are inside such a military Machine.

That are just seen by the people in charge as a asset. The leadership's have a tough choice and its Always the soldier who many times get the "this cog is broken" get another. By the leadership's in charge.

Its plans within plans and we are just soldiers under Kojimas objectives, now are we good soldiers following the orders trying not to gum up the machine or are we soldiers that than want to be the leadership the ones making the designed objectives for others to follow.

To have to bend, and some times break just to completely finish the objective your given.

Putting your self in the shoes of the soldier is not just handing a virtual gun and equipment, but also putting yourself in the rule of being the lever for someone else's objective , no matter how much it may not seem is a good objective.

n4rc3529d ago

i dunno... the story is pretty out there.. i get what the author is trying to say...i think.. but goes a little overboard..

Gozer3529d ago

Myself, I agree with the author of this piece. I have thought Kojima is a terrible writer for well over a decade now. This isn't to say that his games aren't fun, his writing is just awful. Try comparing his stories to any acclaimed plot driven shows, movies, games, or books.

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Nitrowolf23529d ago

A lot of the stuff that happened earlier in MGS is retcon with every new iteration.

"Tell me about how, in the last five minutes of Metal Gear Solid, the colonel pops up on the radio to say everything – the entire terrorist action – was the American Secretary of Defence "acting alone," and how that plot thread is never mentioned in the series again. "

This guy even Play MGS? Well by the looks of it, yeah it does, but it's clear that they can't grasp the whole reason behind that

Sure, MGS doesn't have the perfect writing, I get it. But the story in reality isn't that tough to follow when you just barebone it, and in truth a lot of people enjoy it which a lot of gmes just fail to do

TLG19913529d ago

I would say its absolutely perfect writing. if you strip it right down it is straight forward enough to follow, at the same time there are many vague areas and side plots and twists that let the fans discuss.

Keyword there is "discuss" if you give something to people they can talk about and fill in the gaps it creates a wonderful group of followers.

the same kind of thing star wars has done, there is plenty to be explained and plenty to happen but if you strip it down its a simple story, but the fans can imagine new plots and side plots and fillers all day long and talk about it.

Letsplayhalo3529d ago

Kojima is an icon, the industry admits that. May be the author should too.

n4rc3529d ago

no doubt... but cmon, the guy wears many hats.. watch the credits and his name pops up like 20 times..

he is an icon and he makes iconic games... doesnt mean he has to be perfect in everything.. his writing is pretty (trying to think of the right word here) convoluted..

dont think hes as bad as the author makes him out to be... but he does make some valid points

Letsplayhalo3529d ago

I agree, but that doesn't mean we should call him a bad writer, he is good and I am excited to see what he doesn next.

Professor_K3529d ago (Edited 3529d ago )

guys an attention graving edgelord. i dont get the hype about him. Even after playing most mgs games, hes an o ok writer but dam do people like to blow him out of proportion for something dozens of unspoken developers have done over and over.

ginsunuva3529d ago

All praise Kojima! Any criticism is satanic and punishable by death.

Salooh3529d ago

There is a fine line between love and hate.

Please have some love author. Be cool !! :>

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TheCelestial3529d ago

People often call in stupid what they don't understand.

I'm sure the author of the article thinks G. R. R. Martin and Tolkien as terrible writers as well.

TLG19913529d ago

i was thinking that myself but didn't want to say it.

His article does seem to be focused around plots he doesn't understand so im going to go with that one.

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Metal Gear Solid 5, Nearly After A Decade, Is Still A Timeless Classic

The Metal Gear series, led by Kojima, pioneered the stealth genre, creating a masterclass in storytelling and gameplay.

SimpleSlave324d ago (Edited 324d ago )

No. But MGS5: Ground Zeroes might actually be one of the greatest Game Demo ever, if not the best.

xHeavYx324d ago

I know a lot of people didn't, but I actually liked that story twist at the end. The game was fun and all, but I wouldn't call it a timeless classic.

Cacabunga323d ago

Metal Gear legend stopped with number 4.
MGS5 needed a year or 2 more of development to be maybe among the classics.. it was clearly rushed, especially at the end. The story teaches us absolutely nothing new.

just_looken324d ago

A demo is free that was a $40 cry for help as later we would know konami did not want to fun hideo and his team anymore that is why we got the unfinished phantom pain.

-Foxtrot324d ago (Edited 324d ago )

Meh

Great stealth gameplay but the game was just average.

Bland open world that felt lifeless, the story felt shoehorned in, unfinished story etc. The whole thing was just average to me compared to the other main titled games.

I would have rather preferred it if they kept Ground Zeroes for the main game as the opening and the rest of the game turns into a Metal Gear 1 & 2 remake to bring things full circle.

just_looken324d ago

If you dig around they had old behind trhe scenes of phantom pain vids and books wrote around the time.

Before funding was puled the main idea was to keep peace walker coop it was in the games early builds and that end game were your building your base that was suppose to be metal gear one.

You as the fake big boss was going to make your own metal gear one map aka your base (outer heaven) then me as sold snake use the mode that is in the game invade/defeat the base even fight your current version of metal gear that was in the game but not finished.

So your idea was on the table bit got canned.

CrimsonWing69324d ago (Edited 324d ago )

Like hell it is. That was the first time I became aware of being sold an unfinished game and was blown away about blind fanboys saying it was some perfect game.

Yea, the first few chapters were great until they do that thing halfway and make you replay all the missions again. Then little things like capturing animals but only seeing a JPEG unlike 3 where everything was modeled out. Areas were massive, desolate, and boring to look at.

Game was a massive let down for me and the potential was so high for it. Honestly, this was one of the most disappointing games I ever played. What’s worse is it starts off brilliant. You literally play through until you get to the point where you could tell they just stopped developing and then quickly used glue and construction paper to “finish” it and then sold it. Quite frankly, that’s insulting to consumers and fans.

Inverno324d ago

People have selective memory. This game had huge drama attached to it, what Konami did to Kojima and this game was horrible. Now they praise Konami cause they revived Silent Hill, even though SH looks half arsed too.

CrimsonWing69324d ago

I dunno if they’re getting much praise after the Silent Hill 2 debacle. Makes me scared sh*tless for the MGS 3 Remake…

Michiel1989323d ago

I don't wanna defend konami, but Kojima had 7 years to make the game, it's not that weird for a publisher to expect a game to be finished in that amount of time.

Also no one is praising konami from what I've seen, they're just excited that a Silent Hill game is releasing

CrimsonWing69322d ago (Edited 322d ago )

@Michiel1989

You’re absolutely correct. Look, the dude is a visionary and has brought us some incredible games, but he constantly would go over budget and could never stick to a deadline. I don’t know if people remember the MGS 4 trailers but it became a joke when you’d see a release date and then they crossed it out in the next trailer to give another.

What a lot of people don’t know is there’s a certain amount of money given for development and marketing. When you go over the budget and add additional marketing over the deadline it isn’t cheap. MGS GZ and V were laughable to me for the amount of time he had to develop them and he spent even more time on the engine that wasn’t anything revolutionary to me. I mean, GZ was nothing more than a demo and they released that art like $40 I think, probably to further help fund V. He then spent money for Kiefer Sutherland who did nothing for the character, which I think Kojima just wanted because he’s a fan.

Konami just had enough and said this is the deadline and you’re done after this. It’s business, but fans took it personal. I mean look at this Overdose game he’s been doing.,, like when is that ever coming out?

Michiel1989322d ago

I kind of forgot about overdose but yeah exactly my thoughts. He has made some of the best games out there and definitely deserves time to create his new masterpiece, but it's not a bottomless well.

This is pure speculation but I imagine he got around 4 years to make the game excluding pre-production. If after those 4 years the game is nowhere near being done, the relationship will be strained between them one way or another.

about the konami being praised thing, if let's say blizzard announces world of warcraft 2 today I'll be excited as hell for the game, but that doesn't mean my opinion of blizzard changes only a tiny bit cause they're still trash.

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Yui_Suzumiya322d ago

Yeah, it was the only MGS I didn't play and this is coming from someone who got back into gaming after skipping a generation due to MGS4 back in 2008. It just seems to be the complete opposite of the MGS I always knew and loved (1-4).

JEECE324d ago

Yes and no. In many ways in was a great game; there's a very strong argument that it has the best gameplay of any MGS game, and that it is one of the more interesting open world "playgrounds" we have gotten, in terms of how the world operates. But as an MGS narrative, it is pretty far down the list, for many reasons.

Storm23324d ago

I don't think there is any argument. The gameplay was incredible. But yeah...disappointed in the rest. Could have been incredible but...well...we all know what happened...

JEECE322d ago

I don't think there is much of one either but apparently some people found the world very boring compared to the more linear structures of other entries so I didn't make a definitive statement in order to acknowledge the outliers.

DarXyde323d ago

The thing about Metal Gear Solid is that the narrative is what determines which is your favorite because the gameplay had ALWAYS improved with every mainline entry. It's amazing.

If it was gameplay, we'd all say The Phantom Pain, but the story is what truly sets them apart.

For me, that's Snake Eater, which is also my favorite game of all time.

JEECE322d ago

That's my favorite too, particularly if we are talking about the subsistence version with camera control.

Fishy Fingers324d ago

For me, best gameplay, worst, everything else.

Storm23324d ago

Yeah...gameplay was so damn good.

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