What Does the NX Need to be Successful?

Josh Allan and Adnan of ToasterChimp discuss what it Nintendo needs to do to make the NX a successful console.

[joshmille99]

They need to link their eShop accounts so we dont have to rebuy the same crap with each new system. Plus, i think this is where they combine their home console and handheld together where the controller acts like a portable system and plays the same games. That way instead of one floundering system and one successful one, they combine them and have the best of both worlds.

[stuna1]

3rd party support on par with Xbox1 and PS4. A more mature theme. More importantly strategicly placed marketing.

[rdgneoz3]

Yah. They have great first party games, but no support really at all in the ways of 3rd party. All the big name multiplats are basically skipping Nintendo this gen.

[quaneylfc]

3rd party devs might not even support them from the beginning because of the Wii U. The specs of the hardware have to be outrageous in order for it to succeed with audiences and 3rd parties and Nintendo can't do that because they (for lack of a better word:)SO don't need to.

[BLow]

👍

[zugdar]

Agree 100% with 3rd party support. While I obviously have a ton of N games I love, my biggest surprises back in the Gamecube/Wii days come from 3rd party games. Viewtiful Joe, Zack and Wiki (both Capcom), Baten Kaitos, Mad World and many others gave a good break with the classic N franchises. I can think of only Bayonetta and Wonderful 101 (Platinum Games) on the WiiU after three years that have that kind of impact.

The system needs to have enough power to allow companies to port over games. N seems to favor small builds of systems which is silly. I'd easily have a slightly bigger system to include all the stuff needed to be a strong system. Nobody wants to have to buy multiple systems just because a good system never gets support from third parties. Project Cars is a great example of how having a weaker system can kill your port potential.

[DanielEndurance]

1. Good Games
2. Be more powerful than PS4
3. Continue having free online gaming; embrace giving free games
4. Have a controller we can get accustomed to quickly

[Xbonewone32015]

Non gimmicky
Good graphics
Normal controller

[marloc_x]

😴

[quaneylfc]

I hope not, then Nintendo will die and become a clone of other companies.

[Xbonewone32015]

Nope.

Nintendo will become what they used to be in their glory days of the super nintendo and n64...

...great again.

[Mr Marvel]

Graphical power at least on par with PS4/Xbone, 3rd party support & an achievement/trophy system.

[Chaosdreams]

Open

World

Pokemon.

[jmobley]

Good god you've got me drooling.

[chrisx]

Simple. Ps4 or slighty above power. Real 3rd party support. A normal control pad. Its that simple

[kneon]

I don't think it's that simple. Their core audience has shrunk and the casuals have moved on to phones and mobiles.

Winning back a larger chunk of the mainstream gamer segment will take more than just another PS4XB1 type console with the same old games. Many will also be reluctant to jump in to a new Nintendo console given the WiiU's poor reception.

[masterfox]

Developers only need to worrie about their imagination and not worrie about hardware limitations, knowing this the NX should be at least 30 % more powerful than the PS4 considering the time that is going to be released(2016).

[Simco876]

They won't go the power route. Never have, never will. What they need is another Wii. Another entertainment system that no one has seen. Something that gets parties together, something that your girlfriend that hates video games plays, something that your family fires up at Christmas and you destroy them. This is what they need...but I don't see it coming. Maybe VR.

[airforcex]

Needs to be a console for adults, more powerful than PS4, Blu Ray (not some other format), and third party support. Not going to happen...

[quaneylfc]

Double the 'on paper' specs of both consoles, if it doesn't, it is automatically going to lose.

If it's not a machine that can double the power of the ps4, that can give millenials games that look like films, if it does anything original or innvoative, it will lose.

That is all gamers care about now, on paper specs. The quality of the games is irrelevant to gamers now, they just want power and nothing else.

Destiny sold 500 million copies in less than a week. Super Smash Bros, an almost objectively better game just hit 10 million this month despite being actually fun, being 1080p 60fps, multiplayer in both local and online and cheaper to buy.

The NX will fail because it will be impossible to have a console that can double the specs of the PS4. If they make a handhled, it will be successful but it won't be a home console anymore, it'll be a hybrid. If, however, NX is a company that distributes Nintendo's games to all platforms, modern day gamers will be all over them, they will just call them "bad looking games" regardless of resolution/framerate.

[jmc8888]

Huh? Impossible to double the specs? That's insane.

3.6 TFlops isn't hard to achieve. You can buy a 10 month old GTX 970 for $329. (and it doesn't use that much power, a good amount for a console, but an absolutely amazingly low power card for a PC)

For about $650 you can get an 8.5 TFlop part.

Now, of course this is 2015, and the 970 and it's price is from 2014, and we're talking about a console that won't launch until 2016, and perhaps even 2017.

So it's important to look at between now and then.

Is ANYTHING happening that will increase power and lower power draw and thus lower the price per TFLOP between now and then?

Why YES. The introduction of 16nm FinFET parts.

Now what's important is, with each node decrease you get better performance and less power draw. Of course there is a tradeoff, and generally speaking the last few nodes, they have gone with a good bump up in power while also reducing the power and thus heat somewhat.

So a new node would do wonders in both raising the power possible within a certain thermal range as well as allowing cheaper versions on this node (which also lowers power and thermals).

But guess what... this isn't a normal node shrink, it's actually A DOUBLE NODE SHRINK. We're not going from 28nm to 22 or 20, we're going all the way to 16nm.

So think of it this way, the 970 could literally be the 1050 (two notches lower) next year, AND would have reduced power requirements and thus thermals (and of course COST).

So what you call impossible, is actually AMAZINGLY EASY.

The 1070/1080 next year or early 2017 could hit 17 TFlops. It wouldn't surprise me to see a $400 15 TFlop 1070.

So yes they could easily hit 4 TFLops. They could easily hit 6 TFLops... and if they wanted to go for some good power numbers with a bit higher cost they could got for even 8-10 TFlops. Probably can't go higher then that without incurring extreme cost, but it's absolutely amazing people think it's impossible to hit 3.6 TFlops in 2016-2017.

You'll be able to get a $100-150 card in 2016-2017 that can do more then that on PC, so yes, if they wanted to, they would be able to put that in a console, and it wouldn't be a PS3 level bleeding edge unit, it would be much more like the MODEST PS4/XB1 when they launched.

That's just what happens as time goes on, AND you capture the benefits of a DOUBLE node jump.

It's the perfect time for Nintendo to right the ship, and if they screw that up by going 28nm instead of 16nm, then they ARE FOOLS.

I hope they do it right.

[quaneylfc]

But i'm not talking about the production of the console, i'm talking about the sense of making one with double the specs in that market.

???

[jakmckratos]

A steady flow of games people have been craving atop the standard entries we're used to getting(Mario Kart, Smash Bros.,

Mario 3D

That HD Zelda we saw at that E3 years ago

F-Zero

A real Metroid Entry

Remake Pokemon Red and Blue to be HD

Kirby 3D

A Donkey Kong 64 sequel or HD remake

Luigi's Mansion

A Kid Icarus without the ridiculous controls of the 3DS version

ANOTHER Star Fox(Maybe I'm pushing it)

Nintendo has so much good stuff but it comes far to seldomly

[No9]

The key is to get various 3rd parties to partner up with Nintendo to produce all those games, in return, have those 3rd parties release their multiplats on the NX, genius!

[No9]

Did anyone listen to this video? These guys know nothing. What a joke!

[jmobley]

I'm not a joke. Good day sir!

[fanboysmackdown]

Pretty frickin' simple answer, attract third parties and quit inventing new garbage that nobody other than Nintendo fanboys want.