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Phil Spencer Reckons the 'Parity Clause' is Dead;Explains That There is No Clause, Just Requirements

The so-called 'parity clause' is dead, according to Xbox chief Phil Spencer.

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xHeavYx3629d ago

Good move, but maybe a little too late.

LostDjinn3629d ago

Good move?
He actually admits it still exists (if you read the article) only to try to justify it. This headline is complete fiction.

UnHoly_One3629d ago

Yes all he did was explain how it worked.

The same way we've known it to work for years.

Basically nothing has changed.

chrish19903629d ago

Are you daft? No offense mate, but when he was asked, he even said himself: I think so. How is that misleading? Granted, he does go on and explain in more detail what he thinks of the so-called clause, but to call it all bullcrap is a bit out of line.

1nsomniac3629d ago

Wow I read your comment then had to read the article for myself. What a stupid article & completely made-up & sensationalist headline. Where the hell did the author / "journalist" pull that from??

BitbyDeath3629d ago

The title is still incorrect, he doesn't claim it is dead but rather that it never existed.

They have another clause which is not called 'parity' it requires devs to add extra content to the game if not delivered day and date with PS4. But this is not called 'Parity'.

Gority3629d ago

@Bitby

I believe they only require new content if there was a deal with a competing platform, not if the team just isn't able to do multiple platforms at the same time. Which in my opinion is fairly reasonable.

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Bathyj3629d ago

The title should read, There is a parity clause, but we don't like you calling it that.

Ezz20133629d ago

How many people here did even read the article ?!

Microsoft sure is the best when it come to spin things.

Army_of_Darkness3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

MS's parity clause died ever since the ps4 started leading by several million units.
It's much harder to make demends when your very behind the competition ;-)

-Foxtrot3629d ago

Jesus even when he's pretty much admiting there is one people are trying to do the same old

"Good old Phil Spencer...what a guy"

He's not Ace Rimmer you know.

Said it since the start. Good guy attitude in front of his his true agenda, getting back on top for his superiors. Once they are past Sony they'll get someone new in or let him ride it out until he leaves....only f**** up like Don Mattrick.

XBLSkull3629d ago

How do you guys explain Outlast? Game was out on PS4 long before Xbox, and it is the same exact game... no extra content or anything...

Gazondaily3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

Lmao at Foxtrot just jumping on the opportunity to malign him. Yeah he's not Ace Rimmer but he's not Osama Bin Laden either.

How do you know his 'true agenda'? Give it a rest.

DOMination-3629d ago

Sony have the exact same thing regarding extra content for games that come to their console late.

Concertoine3628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

@Foxtrot

Acting like he's a saint is no more stupid and generalized than insisting he's got a "true agenda" behind him. No CEO's perfect but Phil's not doing a bad job at all. I'm not sure why he can't compliment the competition (like Shu does, all the time) without you spouting off about how fake he is and how he's trying to win us all over so he can take over the world. Bet he was twirling his mustache when he sent out that RIP Iwata tweet.

I'd really like to see you tell him to his evil face what his plan all along was. He'd be dumbfounded at your cunning and precise knowledge of his grand scheme, truly.

DDOS-DelDaemonicOSes3628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

@Ezz2013, I think you're BACKWARDS... those who reject "Ms" are who "SPIN" and end up fLAMER being BACKWARDS.

There is a negative "con"notation to the wording "clause\claws" that is negative SPIN towards Microsoft's "requirements". "Requirements" are often regarded as needed, such as for the optimal experience, while "clauses" are regarded as being fLAMER, thus how the SPIN.

Phil explaining the truth is not an example of how "Microsoft sure is the best when it come to spin things."; however, that comment about an article that actually wasn't spinning is an example of spin.

I think the supposed "parity clause" is the BS of those who love "MAKE.believe".

Maybe BitbyDeath's comment could be most accurate.

As this article helps clarify (though not as much as I think it should be), actually knowing what is really the issue is what people should be focused on, rather than acquiring Negative Nancy "ammo" to use against Microsoft... just count the number of "Microsoft CLAWS" articles that have been released to see an example of what SPIN actually is (thus showing how anti-"Microsoft sure is the best when it comes to spin things."), especially since there does not appear to be such a "clause" and\or what they're describing is spun into being much more negative than it actually is.

Long story short, those who pretend "CLAUS(E)" exists are BSers who love MAKE.believe that fools children.

@moldybread, I think you explained the idea that Microsoft's requirements are for ensuring that they don't get "sloppy seconds".

@Disagrees, What do "Ms" naysayers and fairy tail spreaders have in common? They're both fLAMER.

After all these months and dozens of "Microsoft CLAWS" articles, has no one posted real proof of "clause"?

Anti-Ms bozos need to quit clowning around spreading fairy tales while they claim BS about the importance of "facts".

freshslicepizza3628d ago

it's astonishing how people flip-flop. sony required games that released later to offer something different and microsoft is doing the same thing it is somehow bad for business.

what he's saying is if they are too small to make it available on multiple platforms they understand and will work with them. however if they have some exclusive deal then they want something that will make it stand out on the xbox one. why wouldn't you when most sales happen at launch? what incentive is there for people to buy a game that is a year old if there isn't anything new on it?

obviously the developer partnered itself with the competition so it's not like before when they said microsoft isn't interested or is blocking us because we are releasing later. no, they don't want you to have a side deal and then expect to just get sloppy port once that exclusive deal is over with.

Mr Pumblechook3628d ago

The conditions / requirements still exist therefore so does the parity clause.

Let's not be blind people, If Spencer is asked if the clause still is dead? Saying 'I think so' is not an answer. he is the head of Xbox he should know the score and be able to answer a precise 'yes' or 'no.' I like Phill I really do but this just makes him come across as oily and ruthless in that he will say anything to impress. Bad move Phil.

indyman77773628d ago

I agree LOSTDJINN I can't believe people are falling for his play on words! This is the SAME guy that said there was no xbox one policies and then later IMPLEMENTED ALL of the policies that he (implied did not exist) when they release the xbox one in CHINA!

They figured they could get away with it in China because of the 13 or so year ban on video game and people where desperate.

He could pass as a lawyer, or a marketing genius. But either way a grand misleader and insinuator.

What he realy wants to say is: we need to communicate our position better! (PUN intended!)

Pogmathoin3628d ago

Phil is acting like Sony did since the PS3 launch debacle... But those guys did whatever it takes to get Sony back at the top..... I wonder what the real agenda is with them Fox..... Maybe try and force a new media/new OS or some stupid unneeded and expensive processor that will be great but never adopted...... Ohhhh, yeah....

DDOS-DelDaemonicOSes3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

@LostDjinn, I read the article... he specifically stated a "parity clause" does NOT exist, and your comment is what appears to be "complete fiction" (AKA you're BACKWARDS).

Liars\spinners\manipulators insisting that words indicating something vague, that they believe justifies their agenda to insult Microsoft with the term "parity CLAWS", are who are really evil.

As if Microsoft isn't allowed to require that games released later must have additional Xbox content for that they don't get sloppy seconds... anti-Ms naysayers are terrible for gaming, and I expect we'll see more of that truth in the future with PS Now 100% DRM game rental for rich casuals while Microsoft's DRM will allow playing locally installed and owned games anywhere (via streaming and CrossTech), UNLESS gamers got crippled buying discs that must be monkeyed around with to play. I can hear it now, "hey mom, can you put my "I'm A Slave to Sony's Blu-ray Disc DRM" disc in for that I can play it over at my friend's house?".

@Mr Pumblechook, wanting the words "yes or no" is an absurd excuse... as if him saying, "There’s this idea that’s been named ‘parity clause’, but there is no clause." isn't EXACT enough wording. It is hypocritical to MAKE.believe his exact yes or no wording is important rather than how there is zero proof of an actual "parity clause"! <- Such hypocrisy is extremely common for anyone naysaying Ms... I could go on for pAGES describing it all.

People need to quit implying\lying that the supposed evil Microsoft "CLAWS\Claus\clause" exists... without PROOF, those that claim "Claus" is real are all HO HO HOing.

It appears as if all the "evil CLAWS" spin is about how Microsoft wants games, that come later to Xbox, to have unique Xbox content for that they don't just get "sloppy seconds"... there is nothing wrong with that, it is reasonable (and respectable not to accept "sloppy seconds"), and it is in the best interest of gamers and Microsoft's customers.

Diabolically implying "Microsoft CLAWS hurts gamers" over and over again in the media is what's really evil and SPIN... Ms naysayers are BACKWARDS.

"Microsoft has CLAWS that hurts gamers" naysayers need to show proof or quit spreading fairy tales (claiming "CLAWS" that's never found parallels the idea of "crying wolf").

We should be passionate about stopping FUD from "crying wolf" rather than BS about "that's not a yes or no answer" (when it was actually spelled out better than yes or no... "There’s this idea that’s been named ‘parity clause’, but there is no clause." <- Also, notice the word *NO*, since that is what you're asking for).

Phil said specifically that there is "no" "parity clause"... it is illogical to think he said that if it provably exists.

It is obvious from the comments and agrees\disagrees here that many on N4G are for being unreasonable about Microsoft... history continually shows everyone naysaying Ms is what's worst for everyone, such as all the money and time wasted over the BS about Ms integrating IE, AKA fLAMERS have "Ms anti-trust issues".

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OrangePowerz3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

Doesn't sound to me that it's gone just that they don't call it a parity clause and that he is talking his way around the question.

UKmilitia3629d ago

its still there but isnt as tight anymore since they have no leveridge over rival consoles due to sales.

They still want extra content but if devs said "no u take it how we give it" then i expect MS would accept as they dont have a great deal of power on console as they did last gen(when it was a proper parity clause).

it has been more relaxed this gen i think from start.

SpaceRanger3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

Good to hear MS learned from it! When the term and actual "parity clause" gained traction early on, it let a sour taste for indie developers. Which is why most produce games for the PS4 this gen.

Overall good to hear MS flipping the coin and changing for the better for these developers. They're the ones who will one day bring BIGGER and BETTER games to us next gen.

I remember when this "clause" came to light most devs put games on the PS4. People called the PS4 the "Indiestation". They still do so and they can continue doing that all they want. With games like:
- No Mans Sky
- Journey
- Resogun
- Transistor, etc.,.. I don't mind one bit! Most of those indies have more depth in gameplay than AAA shooter and racer franchises released yearly.

GutZ313629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

You didn't read the article :(

Title is misleading, and making everyone look silly.

Edit: I also don't really blame anyone for NOT reading the actual article, it was garbage with fabricated logic at best.

chrish19903629d ago

You didn't read the article by the sounds of it. The title is in no way meant to mislead, it is what Spencer said. Edge: is the parity clause dead. Spencer: I think so.

Yes, he does go on to talk more about it, but it's certainly a far cry from a couple of years ago.

GutZ313629d ago

There are 2 parts to the parity clause, and Phil didn't even really address the timed parity, just kind of said "we let people launch latter, but then they have to do extra stuff to the game so its better on our console".

The other "Parity Clause" that everyone is worried about is the fact that a system with lesser stats dictates the final look of the game for other platforms.

That being said, Xbox One has had a rough time getting developers to make headway with the hardware in a meaningful way that puts it on even ground with PS4 in many cases.
Indies still have to do more for Xbox if they can't meet their deadline, but AAA studios have to make Xbox One games looks as close to PS4 games as possible.
This is where people get upset, and means the easiest thing to do is just not work so hard on the PS4 version, and focus more on the Xbox one, as the PS4 will likely need less work in the first place.

Not exactly how I find parity.

Death3629d ago

"a system with lesser stats dictates the final look of the game for other platforms"

I'm not sure how this is an issue for self published indie titles that don't take advantage of any consoles hardware. The look of the game is limited by the developer, not the platform.

I think it will be more interesting to see how indies view Windows 10 and universal apps. If they target Windows 10 they will have access to PC and Xbox One users. I'm not sure why they would want to be exclusive to the PS4 and not target the significantly larger customer base.

Kayant3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

@chrish1990
"Yes, he does go on to talk more about it, but it's certainly a far cry from a couple of years ago." - Not really in the past they have made exceptions with games that were hyped,etc i.e Warframe had known timed launch exclusivity on PS4 yet launched later with no added content. Difference between 2013/2014 and now is that any dev can now come to the platform if they made a deal elsewhere by making a deal with them and adding "unique content". So the smaller guys have a chance to now be an expectations compared to before where they would be locked out.

It's not really a "far cry" from before because the only thing different is their exception range is broader but progress is progress.

Haru3629d ago

Such clickbait, I hope they block this website

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_-EDMIX-_3629d ago

? Not sure what you mean.

Journey and Resogun are owned and published by Sony, they are not indie.

Thatguy-3103629d ago

Shitty thing to have in the first place. The only reason it got eliminated was simply because they got outed and fell back to second place. If they controlled a lot of the marketshare then it would've stayed the same.

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mhunterjr3629d ago

It's the same thing they've been saying all along... If Xbox is gonna get sloppy seconds, at least throw something on to make the Xbox version unique...

Kayant3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

"If Xbox is gonna get sloppy seconds" - This is false and disrespectful. So devs physically and mentally not able to do simultaneous release = "sloopy seconds". Come one now... And if this is the case MS don't actually require "unique" content.

The requirement is only if you have made a deal elsewhere in the past a requirement which Sony none Nintendo have.

mhunterjr3629d ago (Edited 3629d ago )

By sloppy seconds I was referring to the developers who made deals with other systems before bringing the game to Xbox... Sloppy seconds, because they 'got into bed' with someone else first...

You're essentially saying the same thing I said... I think that request is reasonable, and the whole issue is overblown.

Kayant3628d ago

"By sloppy seconds I was referring to the developers who made deals with other systems before bringing the game to Xbox... Sloppy seconds, because they 'got into bed' with someone else first..." - Yet if they do those deals it's all fine with them.

" I think that request is reasonable, and the whole issue is overblown." - It is reasonable but it shouldn't be a requirement because it costs money to develop new content. Content that is only available on their platform which they can use to market, content they have not said they will help the developer in making. It's should be up to the dev to decide whether they want to offer new content for coming late to a platform not being forced by platform holders in order to get a PR point they can market for their platform.

And how would it be sloppy seconds when the game hasn't been released on the platform before?

mhunterjr3628d ago

If a company signed a deal with Sony to launch on PS first, then the implication is that they were paid for potential loss sales on competing platforms... The idea that a dev in this situation can't afford any new content is a weak on...

If a developer launched on Sony, with no deal in place... Then MS isn't asking for additional content.

Do you know what sloppy seconds means? It's when you 'get some' from someone AFTER someone else had it first.

gangsta_red3629d ago

It's probably still there for "certain" occasions MS may feel the need to enforce. But it might as well be dead especially since there wasn't a game that was actually affected by the clause.

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Phil Spencer Teases 2026 As A "Really Special Year" For Xbox

2026 will mark the 25th anniversary of Xbox, and Phil Spencer has teased it as a "really special year" for the games division.

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TheEroica11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You got downvotes by pathetic gamers for feeling hopeful about good games coming out next year. Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy? It is pretty neat to see people's world view blow up in front of them as they realize Microsoft has put themselves in a driver's seat that Sony hasn't been able to touch all generation.... What's even more pathetic is the same people downvoting you are the same people wishlisting Microsoft games on their ps5s 😂

P_Bomb11d ago

“Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy?”

My dude your post history shits on EVERYTHING. You never have a good thing to say about anything lol! 🤣

PanicMechanic10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

“Getting ready for those GaaS reveals! Sony is a shadow of themselves this gen.”

You literally said this a couple of days ago. Start applying the clown make up, you hypocritical jester

derek11d ago

Yep we'll see, they have alot releasing next year.

RaidenBlack11d ago

NGL, next year might be one of the best years in gaming ... starting off with RE9 and GTA VI ...
and then all the good games that's been cooking
Pragmata, Sands of Time, Saros, Gears E-Day, 007 First Light, Blood of Dawnwalker,
Mortal Shell II, Onimusha, Marvel1943: Rise of Hydra
current-gen only Infinity Ward's CoD, Duskbloods
+ My guess: Wolverine, Exodus, Mudang, Crimson Desert, Clockwork etc ...
~ seems like it might get too stacked

1Victor11d ago

@rokos:”Hopefully “
I downvoted you not for been hopeful but because I have seen the same “NEXT YEAR WILL BE SPECIAL “ comment for the last 10+ and hasn’t seen anything special from Microsoft.
I hope next year will be the one that everyone been waiting for since the last 3 years of the Xbox 360, it have to be after over $80 billions spent on acquisitions.

Lightning7711d ago

So the new excuse is they don't count because it's from the ABK now huh. I guess all those 3rd party games count even less because they don't own them. According to your always crappy logic.

InUrFoxHole10d ago

Lol. You haven't seen anything special? Do you even game?

OtterX11d ago

Always with the "next year..."! 😂

neutralgamer199211d ago

I don't know they have delivered this year and even last year. And they have a lot more content in the pipeline right now than anyone else. We can't just keep hating on MS

Indiana Jones
South of midnight
Avowed
Flight simulator
Hell Blade 2
Minecraft update
Gears of war reloaded
Indian Jones:expansion
Gears E day
Clockwork revolution
Fable
Doom the dark ages
The outer worlds 2
Grounded 2
Call of duty

OtterX11d ago

How many of those titles were just buyouts of companies that were going about making their games anyways? *Throws cash - "Oh look what we made!"

dveio11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

This list, that's been posted again, and again, and again in every single topic like this, contains almost nothing, literally almost nothing from Microsoft's own creational thoughtprocess.

It's a bunch of former 3rd party IPs.

Now even slowly returning to Playstation in some cases like Indiana, Hellblade, probably Starfield soon too, after they were made exclusively to Xbox on purpose.

Due to Microsoft's lack for own IP material except Halo & Forza. Which, the lack of, was the sole reason for all of it to happen in the first place anyway. Please don't pretend it wasn't.

And just look at all the games that come from Obsidian alone.

You really think Obsidian wasn't already working on Avowed and South of Midnight even without Microsoft buying Zenimax?

Microsoft delivered nothing but cheques.

OtterX11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@dveio THIS. Lol, this dude thinks Call of Duty wouldn't exist without Microsoft! smh 😂

neutralgamer199211d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Common narrative I see often — that Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for the games its studios release because they “just bought them.” But this viewpoint ignores key context and sets a double standard that other platform holders aren’t held to

No one is saying these games wouldn't exist at all without Microsoft. But let’s not pretend that having a trillion-dollar company backing a studio doesn’t make a massive difference. Obsidian never had AAA funding before the Xbox acquisition. Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded, and their resources were always stretched thin. Now they’re working on Avowed, with proper support behind it.

Ninja Theory’s Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice was made by around 20 people, using borrowed equipment and doing mocap in a boardroom. It was a passion project held together by tape and willpower. Today, Hellblade II exists because they were given resources, time, and freedom — something many developers don’t get unless they’re owned by a company that believes in their vision.

ZeniMax (Bethesda’s parent company) was in real financial trouble before the Microsoft acquisition. Reports and insider accounts have pointed out how much they needed a cash infusion. And while some people want to write off Xbox’s ownership of Bethesda titles, they forget the alternative could have meant layoffs or even closures.

The same goes for Activision Blizzard. Would you really prefer the company to stay under Bobby Kotick, after all the documented workplace misconduct and toxic leadership issues? Say what you want about Microsoft, but their acquisition brought accountability and change to a company that desperately needed it.

At the same time, Xbox gets hated on for doing what every major company does. Sony bought Housemarque, Bluepoint, Insomniac — but no one says Spider-Man 2 “doesn’t count” because of that. Why does Xbox get treated differently for acquiring struggling or undervalued developers and giving them a chance to thrive?

And the idea that Xbox locks games away is outdated. They're pushing cross-platform releases, cloud gaming, Game Pass, and backward compatibility more than any other platform holder. They're not forcing all studios into live service. If anything, their upcoming lineup is less GAAS-heavy and more focused on narrative and creativity — Avowed, South of Midnight, Clockwork Revolution, Fable, Perfect Dark, Towerborne, and others show real variety.

Whether people like it or not, Xbox is now the biggest publisher in the industry and owns the most gaming IPs. But what matters more is how they treat their studios. Most of these teams were previously stuck making AA games with limited scope — now they’re getting the tools and support to aim higher.

So when people say “Microsoft didn’t make those games,” they’re missing the point. It’s not about who started the studio — it’s about who enabled them to do their best work. You don’t have to love Xbox to admit they’ve helped a lot of developers and are taking a player-first approach.

Instead of writing off everything they do, maybe try recognizing the good they’re doing for both devs and gamers. At the end of the day, we should want more studios to succeed — no matter who owns them

BeHunted11d ago

I'm surprised Clockwork Revolution (BioShock meets Dishonored) isn't getting more media attention. The game looks interesting and reminds me of the old RPG games.

anast11d ago

The only good game on that list is Flight sim. The rest are either average or will be average. It's not a good look for MS.

TheEroica11d ago

My god.... Look how many comments are upset about microsoft's successes... 😂 This may be my new favorite thread. Not one gamer saying thanks for all the goodness coming their way, just bitter anger and downvoting the very games they themselves will purchase throughout 2026.... Sony really worked you guys over this generation.... Condolences.

DivineHand12511d ago

@neutralgamer1992 You said what needed to be said.

I have heard for years from older gamers that fanboys are the biggest issue with any fanbase. They will defend or gloss over negative news as long as the correct logo is on the box and they bash the competing platform no matter how much good they are trying to bring.

Right now their advocacy for PlayStation is elevating that platform so high that Sony no longer believes they need to do anything to satisfy their loyal fanbase like they did in the PS4 days.

I just hope most of them will eventually start advocating for themselves and encourage others to do the same. No one should blindly support one platform because these companies do not care about anything other than profit.

neutralgamer199211d ago

Hunted

And first proper game done by the studio with proper AAA budget and saying it will be released when ready

Anast

I believe we went through this before that you are objectively wrong. Meta critic, user reviews, game sales. In Playstation top 10 best selling games were 5 from Microsoft studios

Otter

No this dude is saying so many other studios wouldn't be thriving without MS money and people would be getting abused physically and mentally with Bobby kotick and his side kicks

Also maybe look up how the original founder of Bethesda and zenimax was kicked out of his own company by his best friend lawyer. So that was always a shady place and had been struggling financially before MS paid a premium of almost 7 billion

Eroica

I use to be a die hard Playstation fan and now I only have a Pc. I see how these fans are so toxic. They just can't handle any positive news regarding Xbox. When the best selling games on playstation are Xbox titles. Look at Forza horizon being best seller and that's years old game by MS. I guess ms don't deserve credit for that success too since they are the only company in gaming making acquisitions

Forget the fact Sony paid 3.6 billion for bungie and MS 6.9 for zenimax. Which investment has turned out better

Destiny and marathon with a lot of controversy

While zenimax output is nothing short of amazing compared to what bungie has released

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Yeah it's tricky. "Xbox" has morphed to mean different things to different people.
Console, now Windows, GamePass, and the cross platform games. There's a mix of attitudes towards all those things individually, and maybe an overarching attitude towards MS. But can't argue that the game companies MS recently bought continue to flourish, and GamePass PC has been a great value over the last year.

InUrFoxHole10d ago

@OtterX
You're the dude mad at your exes new guy. She's with someone else... get over it.

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Lightning7711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

They've had good output so far. So waiting for those games shouldn't be a problem.

Who cares if they're buy outs of companies or whatever excuse you want to make. They're games that are being distributed to other console. Play the games and enjoy it instead of fanboying or complaining.

ocelot0711d ago

They going to be a he best and biggest publisher on Xbox, Playstation and PC next year. They not really said anything about Switch 2 though spite claiming to be big supporters.

quenomamen11d ago

If you call making one last Xbox before going full Sega, as Great. Then yea.

TheEroica11d ago

Doesn't feel like you're paying attention to what's happening.

RhinoGamer8811d ago

It will be, his net work will hit 50 million and he plans to buy a new mansion in Cape Cod. Thanks everyone! #failup

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Phil Spencer 'Very Excited' About Xbox Handheld Plans For 2025

With ASUS seemingly teasing an Xbox handheld last week, there's been a lot of talk about the device in the days ever since, and Xbox boss Phil Spencer has also teased something to do with handhelds happening in 2025

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neutralgamer199277d ago

I really hope this isn't a windows based device even though coming from MS that's highly unlikely. SteamDeck is much much easier to use and offers a much better user experience than any other handheld device because it's all based on steam app. The Xbox handheld should be based on that because a Windows device with a 7-8 inch screen makes it's difficult to navigate

darthv7277d ago

Coming from Asus... its going to be an Xbox branded ROG Ally.

neutralgamer199277d ago

That's fine but hopefully it will be a Xbox app based instead of windows

VenomUK77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

When the casual market learn that there’s going to be an Xbox branded Asus handheld they will cancel their Nintendo Switch 2 preorders and get the Asus. No it won’t have exclusive games like Super Mario or Zelda or Metroid or Pilot Wings or Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or Donkey Kong or Pokémon or Super Smash Bros - but who cares as it will have access to the entire library of the Steam Store running on Windows. It will also have access to Game Pass with all the modern day classics like Avowed, Hellblade II and Grounded and Pentiment.

I think we all have to acknowledge that after all the criticism of Switch 2 on ResetEra it’s evidence that it will fail to sell and the Asus will outsell it. Dreamcast pushed Sega out of hardware, we all have to accept that the perfect storm of Switch 2 pricing, an Xbox-branded Asus and Phil Spencer and Aaron Greenberg’s persuasive promotion will likely kill off Switch 2 within a month. AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THAT.

FinalFantasyFanatic77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

@VenomUK,
I don't think that even has a remote chance of happening, Nintendo has so much brand loyalty, even with the backlash on their not so great pricing, I still think it's going to sell, Xbox doesn't have as much brand loyalty. Plus, if it's just Xbox branded ROG Ally or something similar, why not just choose a ROG ally or Steam Deck? They can both do everything that an Xbox branded handheld can. If Xbox is going to compete in the world of windows based handhelds, it has so much competition, it's going to struggle.

You're way too optimistic about the Xbox handheld and the demise of the Switch 2, I'm going to predict the opposite and say the Switch 2 will demolish the Xbox handheld in terms of sales/popularity.

S2Killinit76d ago

@VenomUK
Not sure if sarcasm or satire.

VenomUK76d ago

@S2Killinit Satire. I’m not going to hate on people for being excited for a new console. But what is happening in the Xbox community is something wicked, content creators are hyping up the Asus to their audience about how great this thing is, and how it will be more powerful than the Switch 2 and the Steam Store outweighs any advantage the Switch 2 has with its library of games. I don’t believe they believe it but they are grifting. By all means look forward to it but don’t sell it as a Switch 2 PS5 killer.

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PanicMechanic77d ago

Steam Os is amazing. By far the best. Can’t imagine MS having an OS that can top it (CERTAINLY not windows)

crazyCoconuts77d ago

Well they're gonna try. They've already stated they've been working on it.

FinalFantasyFanatic77d ago

Windows as is, isn't a great experience for a handheld, they really need to make a dedicated handheld OS, unfortunately they've always been hellbent on making a single product for both PC/touch screen use.

I really can't imagine them making something that stands up to Steam OS, it just works so well.

RaidenBlack76d ago (Edited 76d ago )

This is not their in-house made Xbox handheld for next-gen, which is slated for release in 2027 alongside with the next Xbox console, which might run a version of their usual Xbox-ified OS optimized for the handheld.
This is just a brand collab to produce an Xbox branded updated Asus RoG Ally (Project Kennan), which as usual ships with Windows. Think of it as the 5th main competitor in handheld PC market, after Deck, Legion Go, Ally and MSi Claw (I know others exist, but these are the popular ones).
https://wccftech.com/xbox-h...
And RoG Ally didn't get an update this year like the Legion Go, so this Xbox-Asus one might be that?
Anyways, even with 2025 chip upgrade, the Legion Go underperforms compared to 2023 Ally and 2024 Ally X.

crazyCoconuts77d ago

It can't be anything but Windows if it has the Xbox brand on it. Outside of the politics (which would be a showstopper), SteamOS/Linux can't run GamePass natively due to the crazy protections implemented by the Windows Store.

neutralgamer199277d ago

I am not asking the Xbox handheld to run steam, I just wanted a dedicated Xbox app on the handheld that handles everything from playing games, downloading games, gamepass and most importantly all updates are done from that app. Just a better overall user experience

Having to download multiple different things on a Windows based device becomes really a chore in a smaller screen.

crazyCoconuts77d ago

Having the windows handheld auto launch the existing Xbox Windows app will accomplish everything you mentioned, and I'm sure that's what this will be.
Fact is that MS will need to add a lot into that app to incorporate all the system level controls Steam incorporated into their handheld UI.

OmegaSoldati76d ago

Steam Deck for the win! Switch too.

Profchaos76d ago (Edited 76d ago )

It'll be windows all leaks indicate this is a windows based device with a Xbox skin it will integrate other storefronts because at its core it's windows.

@venom there's is no chance that parents will be buying their kids a rog ally setting up steam and other storefronts over a Nintendo switch 2 at Christmas.

That's a mass amount of hopium there.

Portable PC's in total have barely cracked six million sold the switch 2 will continue to dominate the casual crowd all known about it and news of a switch successor has already started spreading in mainstream media

neutralgamer199276d ago

I think switch 2 will do well but dominate I think we need to wait and see. The prices of the console and games is much more than switch so don't expect parents in this inflation time to spend $600 on 2 games and a console. Since it's Nintendo it should sell but I think we are underpaying the importance of the inflated market

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anast77d ago

Every inch of this things is going to be a subservice.

Aloymetal77d ago

And an even bigger flop in the making, it's like they're just throwing crap at the wall and see what sticks or rather find another ''clever'' way to keep squeezing more money from the already miniscule and gullible fanbase. Smfh.

Reaper22_76d ago

Squeezing money. Isn't that what sony is doing with tbe ps5pro. And what about all those remakes and locking some ps4 games to a subscription.

ABizzel176d ago

At first I thought this was a huge mistake on MS part. But after thinking about this more and more, while I still don’t think it’s going to do anything beyond 10 - 20 million in sales, I think that’s exactly what MS and ASUS are expecting and both are okay with.

I assume this is more of Asus saying to MS, look we have ten/twenty million of these handheld PCs already in production and we’ve only been able to sell a couple millions, partner with us and let’s brand them as Xbox handhelds ASUS will do all the heavy lifting so we don’t take a loss on all these, and all MS has to do is market the platform and put your logo, the new Xbox OS/app you’ve been working on, and together we’ll helps each other out and push more GamePass subscriptions.

That make complete logical sense as to why this came about, because otherwise….. So technically it would be a win:win for both companies, or a win for MS and a reduction of loss of ASUS, even if they only sell 10m - 20m units.

As for the handheld itself honestly, it should be solid and most likely based on the Rog Ally 7, but hopefully with the Rog Ally X case as that has a much better port and I/O layout. Plus if the Xbox OS is wayyyyyyy lighter than Windows then it should be a a good piece of tech getting more performance than the Ally 7 Windows version for around $499.

But that’s where the next problem comes into play…..Price. It’s Switch 2 all over again. The slight different is outside of the potential of DLSS, this should be a slightly more powerful handheld, especially if they create their own dock, but that dock will likely be sold separately meaning now we’re looking at $550 or more, for what will essentially be a docked Xbox Series S and a slightly more powerful SteamDeck / Switch 2 in handheld mode.

peppeaccardo77d ago

The Irrelevant-Held will be able to connect to the XFLOP Series X

anast77d ago

ha! It might last longer than the Stadia.

Profchaos76d ago

Basically what windows os turning into now every few weeks logging on I'm greeted with a hey how about some office 365 or your gamepass lapsed how about renewing and decline is in little blue writing while subscribe is a huge button

anast76d ago

This and I also get a pop up to subscribe to Xbox GamePass.

PanicMechanic77d ago

So smart of you caveman Phil sphincter. Did you get the memo on what Nintendo is releasing this year?

Kyizen77d ago

I dont trust Microsoft to build an OS for this looking at the Windows phone so I think this will be just Windows with a Steam like Big Picture mode locked in the UI to launch games.

Rockstar77d ago

This is good advice from Reaper here. I trust your advice and you've got my word...I wont buy it.

Thanks Reaper!

YourMommySpoils77d ago

Then don't complain about facts.

PanicMechanic76d ago (Edited 76d ago )

So in other words, it’s just another ROG Ally. I think MS has a winner🤣🤣

FinalFantasyFanatic77d ago

I remember when my sister bought a Windows phone, that thing was missing so many basic features, she didn't even own the phone for 3 months before getting frustrated and swapping it out.

Profchaos76d ago

I'll be honest I had a older relative that loved the windows phone cause it had a huge dial, contacts and camera button that was all it got used for.

Oh and it was bright green so easy to find

Moral of the story one person's trash is another's treasure

Reaper22_76d ago

Windows phones weren't the best but I also remember sonys phones didn't fare too well either. As a matter of fact they're newest ones aren't doing so great either. Not even in Japan. That says alot.

Profchaos76d ago

@reaper22 honestly Shane about the Sony phones to I brought the Xperia 3 when they announced remote play for it and it was one of the best ones I have had the battery lasted a few days the camera was some obscene 50mp but the physical design lagged behind Samsung and I think that was a huge reason it failed

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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Reassures Xbox Gamers Their Gaming Library Isn't Going Anywhere

Xbox's CEO Phil Spencer assures that, even though they are expanding to other platforms, Xbox gamer's libraries aren't going anywhere.

jznrpg126d ago

Phil, the words of a guy who only speaks the truth.

If I was an Xbox owner I wouldn’t feel comfortable with what he just said

crazyCoconuts126d ago

Reading his quote sounds like word salad. I'm not sure he said anything really.

darthv72125d ago

I'd rather him say more of our library will be made available now. It sucks to have so many 360 era games still stuck in limbo, especially Activision ones now that they are buddy buddy.

VenomUK125d ago (Edited 125d ago )

Sarah Bond had committed to backwards compatibility, so interpreting Phil Spencer’s quote, old Xbox games will always be playable with a PS3 on PSN like cloud solution, and on new hardware if a new Xbox console is ever released.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04...

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Scissorman126d ago (Edited 126d ago )

why does this even need to be reassured? it really goes to show you how nervous there fanbase is.

Eonjay126d ago

Right. I was thinking the same thing. This shouldn't be some sort of 'benefit' for Xbox gamers as MS goes to Sony and Nintendo... This should just be implied. No matter where the games go in the future should have any impact on the purchased games libraries of current Xbox consumers.

pwnmaster3000126d ago

Yup no matter how much they say they don’t care, the fanbase care lol

Profchaos126d ago (Edited 126d ago )

What's left of them one the last 12 months I've seen Xbox consoles flooding second hand marketplaces and going for half of their RRP

In addition this interview the whole panel was clearly not believing the viewpoint but not wanting to offend their guest

LabRat125d ago

When (or "if") Xbox goes out of hardware those who don't play on Cloud or prefer hardware...where will they play their library?

PhillyDonJawn124d ago

Not the question. If you already gave the hardware and games. Why would it disappear?

Chocoburger126d ago

Ah yes, Phillip, the pinnacle of honesty, and he never changes his mind. We can all take his word for it without hesitation. 🤥

Profchaos126d ago

He did but in the follow up sentence he talked about charging pricing because they are a business so who knows maybe the next gen box has a fee to use their emulator service I imagine wine ports to a PC architecture

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