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Have Microsoft and Sony Left Nintendo Even Further Behind?

After stellar conferences from Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo's disappointing Digital Event could leave them a big hill to climb over the next 12-18 months.

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stuna13245d ago

I think Nintendo left it' on self behind! Simply because the company as a whole refuses to evolve. I understand Nintendo is a kids friendly company, and it can remain one while allowing the older gamers access to more mature gaming material. If their consoles are viewed in a more mature setting, more developers will be apt to put more content on the platform, which would draw a more diverse variety of gamers to the platform.

TLG19913245d ago

no matter how powerful they make there console they could still produce the good old same Nintendo games no matter what. but by juicing it up they would have allowed to be part of the multiplatform games increasing their library drastically.

they missed a big selling point in terms of gamers getting older and having little gamers of there own (kids) and having a console that would of catered to both their kids with the nintendo games and them with the mature multiplatform games.

i dont have kids and currently own both ps4 and xbox one and honestly would love to own a nintendo console but can't make that jump for whats on offer.

FarEastOrient3245d ago

If you want an example of company that can be kid friendly and continue to evolve in both IP an technology. The Walt Disney company is a perfect example! They evolve their existing IPs, tech for film and parks, and most importantly create new ones like Frozen or Pirates of the Caribbean.

-Foxtrot3245d ago

Thing is though Nintendo dosen't have to be a kids friendly company. It can do both.

They just stick to the kid audience because they want more money.

I mean the way Amiibos have gotten out of hand is a huge sign.

I swear to god if they next console centres on Amiibos then that's the final nail in the coffin for me. I can imagine the console having a circle on the top of it where you can put them.

Iwata needs to go. I can't believe they haven't got rid of him yet

TXIDarkAvenger3245d ago

Except its not Iwata who has the final say in Nintendo decisions believe it or not.

turdburgler10803245d ago

Nintendo is like that kid out in left field digging a hole with a stick. Everyone else knows what they are supposed to be doing and the role they play in the game but not nintendo.

pcz3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

i think nintendo doesnt even want to compete anymore, its almost as if they have admitted defeat and are happy to take their 3rd place in the market.

everything nintendo is doing is scaled back- neither the hardware or software is trying to be on par with the competition, nintendo are just doing their own thing... and while that would be fine if they were doing something exciting, instead they are creating their own lane for horrible mini game collections, party games and sub-par additions to established franchises.

its only going to get worse with the announcement of their move into mobile gaming

stuna13245d ago

I agree it does seem like they are trying to in my opinion "Silently kill the WII U", to perhaps move to their next console. But if that is the case, I think they first and foremost should be informing their fanbase and not just stringing them along. If that is what is actually happening, let's just say it's not going to turn out good for Nintendo!

deadpoolio3163245d ago

Nintendo has flat out said that they don't really want to compete with MS or Sony...

Granted they're more than likely massively full of crap with that statement, but they have been claiming that they want to be the alternative not the competition

TM3333245d ago

Sounds about right. I've supported Nintendo for years, and they just lost my business this time around. I don't feel they have hardly anything at all that I need. Xenoblade Chronicles and Zelda? Not worth buying their console for.

kneon3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

@stuna1

I don't know that admitting that they are giving up on the Wii U would be any help.

No matter what they do people are going to be wary about buying the next console from them unless it is something truly remarkable. If it's just a newer, shinier more powerful Wii U with a silly gimmick to make it stand out then it wouldn't surprise me if it sells even worse than the Wii U.

Hopefully next time they would at least be smart enough to give it a new name so people actually realize it's a new console.

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pompombrum3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

I think the fact they would rather showcase a cross dressing Zelda game over the likes of Devil's Third and Fatal Frame in their presentation speaks louder than any words about where their priorities lay. Most third party games in the west focus on more mature themes because that is where the money is at, if this is how Nintendo treats those sort of games, why would the developers want to release them on their console?

Nintendo have so much money though that they're not going anywhere but ultimately, they've become almost irrelevant to many Western gamers and they seem almost content with that.

Magicite3245d ago

In home console market Nintendo might become totally irrelevant rly soon if not already.
Its all PS2 era again and I see PS4 getting 55-60% home console market share very soon.

kneon3245d ago

It's already over 50% isn't it? Even Vgchartz shows the PS4 selling more than the Wii U and XB1 combined.

MEsoJD3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

My biggest problem is how their refusal to evolve has effected the longevity of their consoles. Hell, things are so bad, it maybe impossible to get back third party support. By the time their new console is released, the Xbox 1 and Ps4 will still be going strong with a healthy amount of support. How long will the Nintendo faithful stay faithful? I sure as hell not confident in their next home console.

3-4-53245d ago

* Nintendo has the talent to match anyone in the industry in most ways, they just don't have the visionary leadership to guide them there.

* They make the highest of high quality in terms of how good a game can get, with no bugs or glitches and EVERY gamer appreciates that.

The thing is, they are being held back a bit by the people in charge.

It also isn't within their culture to call somebody like Iwata out.....

If they would hire somebody who will tell them 100% and not tiptoe around their culture and worry about disrespecting them, they would get to the bottom of things faster.

* They keep allowing those at the top to "save face", as that is within their culture to no embarrass but to allow a person to "redeem" their dignity of sorts.

This is getting taken advantage of and we as gamers can no longer " Please Understand "

* I could personally give Nintendo some awesome ideas for games they've never made that would still be " Nintendo" and have that feel.

Many of us could, and I suspect so could many dev's already working there.

* There is a last crab in the barrel within Nintendo and that person or people are holding the rest of Nintendo back from how great they could be.

They need leadership change because the Base building blocks are there.

The talent and teams are there, they are just being guided in the wrong directions.

When Nintendo gets something "right", nobody gets it more right than them.

When they get it wrong, not many people get it as wrong as they do either.

I love their experimenting, it's actually honorable and respectable that they are sacrificing their time and Name to risk working on things that they don't know will work.

Not many companies risk that.

The problem is, they have somebody in charge, having them take too many of those when they just need to get back to what we want.

stuna13245d ago

Your comment could not have been better! Like all businesses there is a hierarchy that has to have a head and all information or orders trickle down from there. If you don't have a competent head in place everything from that point could be potentially disastrous in the business world.

Lennoxb633245d ago

Nintendo has been a joke to me since the original Wii. I mean what was wrong with what they were doing with Gamecube? They catered to both audiences and it was a success.

TM3333245d ago

Ya, I loved the Gamecube. The Wii was weird for me. Sure there were a lot of good games on it, but the graphics on a bunch of them looked worse than Gamecube games. It was awful. Made it difficult for me to enjoy.

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Toiletsteak3245d ago

I loved Nintendo when i was a kid and i wish they could go back to how they use to be, people just see them as a joke now.

TFJWM3245d ago

The issue is they are the same as they used to be, your just not a kid anymore.

Toiletsteak3245d ago

No the issue is they use to make great consoles now they don't.

Double_O_Revan3245d ago

This exactly. I've said it many times. I, and many of us grew up, Nintendo didn't grow with us.

Ol_G3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

You are one of the few that seems to onderstand whats going on.
For better or worse they are still the same company that dances to their own tune it seems that people dont understand that as a company you cant grow with your audience you have to try and reach younger people cause whats gonna happen if they grow with their fanbase those people die of old age who are they left with?
I know this is not a popular opinion especially on n4g but i'm glad they stay the way they are that way i keep getting my high quality Zelda and Mario kart games and i buy all my final fantasy on ps4 so i don't miss anything i like
Also i will never buy a Sony or Microsoft console for my kids when they are 16 they can save up and buy their own console but there is no way in hell that i'm gonna buy those consoles for my kids knowing what kind of games are released on those consoles not saying it's not for younger kids but as a parent i can't say that a console with 90% mature audience games is something i want my kid playing on

And @ toiletsteak
The reason their consoles where more powerfull in the past is because back in those days PC was in it's child shoes hardware just wasn't that powerfull those days even if we go back a few years x360 and ps3 were more powerfull than the midrange PC's that were available around that time
If you look this gen the hardware is on par with low end machines if it had to compete with PC we'd be paying €2000-3000 right now

Gunstar753245d ago

Sadly, yes..

Never underestimate Ninetendo though. These guys are phenomenon creators.

Summons753245d ago

They still have a strong library for the WiiU that makes it well worth owning just like a Ps4.

SteamPowered3245d ago

The Wii U has been out over 2 years. They have put out a few gems, but I wouldnt say the library is chalk full of hits. If people were going to buy a Wii U, they would have done it already. Not too many people are going to buy the console just for Star Fox. Zelda....maybe.
Gamers are left feeling that Nintendo jumped the shark: Mariokart and Super Mario 3D world were incredible, yet didnt make the sales mark they were hoping. So now, its getting harder and harder to justify buying the Wii U.

Summons753245d ago

Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101,
Bayonetta
Bayonetta 2
Smash Bros
Mario Kart
Mario 3D world
Toad Treasure Tracker
NSMBU
Zelda WWHD
Hyrule Warriors
ZombiU
Donkey Kong
Monster Hunter
Mario Party 10
Kirby
Splatoon
Nintendoland

All these are amazing games for anyone's library. Not to mention

Star Fox
Mario Maker
Fatal Frame
Devil's Third
Xenoblade
Zelda WiiU

Are all still to come. To say they have a weak library is moronic. My WiiU sits perfectly with PS4's Bloodborne, ESO, Witcher 3, Theif, The Order and Xbones....halo. I'm a gamer, I love all the systems and get great experiences but this gen so far Nintendo has owned the shelving for the library so far Ps4 has a lot more to come and xbone is finally getting a gears game so that's 2. All and all, everyone is doing good.

Griever3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

Summons75

The problem with that Wii U list is that it is not desirable for most. Nintendoland? Wonderful 101? Pikmin 3? Toad Treasure Tracker? Zombie U? Mario Party 10? Kirby? Nobody gives a damn about those games and nobody id going to run out to get a Wii U for them. Nobody cares about those kind of games except Nintendo fans and children. Hence the poor sales for the Wii U. Nintendo needs modern, adult-oriented and desirable games that millions of gamers want. That is the only way to successfully sell the home console. It is basic rule of business; you make and sell what people want and not the other way around

_-EDMIX-_3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

@Summons- Its a nice list....for Nintendo fans. They don't really know how to get new fans and they seem to be scared to take risk and whats strange is years ago this company right along with Sony was very much known for that.

Now they are playing it as safe as ever. I feel Rare being gone is likely due to that, they pushed the boundaries for that company and it seems without them, Nintendo was just stuck doing the same thing over and over and over.

What is Mario Kart to me? What is Smash to me? Consider I may not like any of those games, how do you get me as a gamer? Oh by making Mario 3D world? OH by making Nintendo land?

Whats sad, is I never thought I would see the day where MS was doing BETTER then Nintendo at bringing in new gamers. XB wasn't like that and 360 changed that concept. Since then, MS has been adding in new IPs to get in new gamers, Alan Wake, Gears, Crackdown, ReCon etc.

Sony doesn't even need to be mentioned as they are pros at the console new IP cycle of series since its arrival to console gaming.

But MS is very much showing they are learning and are adopting to what gamers want, not everyone likes Halo, Forza, Fable, well..they have something for you, its called ReCon, Sea Of Thieves, Quantum Break etc I'm just so sorry that Nintendo just doesn't get that. Mind you...this is the same company that passed up LBP, yet that game went on to do 5 million units, went on to become an extremely successful series and now Nintendo is making a create, share game....

At this point, who is looking at Nintendo for new, innovative IPs? I'm sorry but I've seen more new concepts that excited me as a gamer from PS4 and XONE and clearly PC then I have anything on Wii U. They legit played it safe. Folks are going nuts for ReCon, Horizon, Sea Of Thieves, Dream etc based on they are new concepts, some stranger then others, some more traditional but new none the less. I'm sorry but Nintendo might be playing it way, way too safe.

and edit- Bayonetta is not a Nintendo IP...

Monster_Tard3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

@Griever

You do realize that Nintendo makes another piece of gaming hardware called the 3DS right? Similar to Wii U, it too pretty much only consist of "Kiddie" games and it is still selling very well and is only currently being outsold by the PS4, so the whole "Nintendo need to grow up and focus on adult orientated games in order to be successful" is kinda invalid. The lack of 3rd party is what's killing the Wii U and that's from Nintendo not going with stronger hardware and from them sticking with the PowerPC architecture that it's older consoles had, while MS and Sony ended up going with x86, making it more difficult for developers to port their games over to the Wii U. It's not the games, it's the lack of games that killed the Wii U.

MysticStrummer3245d ago

@Summons - Rarely have I seen a longer list of games I'm not interested in. That's a very subjective statement, obviously, but it's also obvious that most console gamers who have gotten into the current gen agree with it.

Griever3245d ago (Edited 3245d ago )

@Monster_Tard

The 3DS is a $200 handheld; the 2DS is even cheaper. They are basically cheap gaming alternatives that parents can buy for their children. That is why kiddy games sell on it. A home console is a completely different beast. The kind of games that work on a handheld cannot hold their own on a home console. There is just no parallel between a handheld and a home console. Remember how all the Nintendo fans were claiming that the Wii U will pickup similar to the 3DS once the games arrive. Did that happen? Nope. Handheld trends and logic do not apply to home consoles.

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TXIDarkAvenger3245d ago

Most of their core games are out and its still not enough to compete with Sony and MS.

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How Many More Victims, Like Garry's Mod, Will Nintendo's Hurtful Crusade Create?

Hanzala from eXputer: "As Nintendo takes out 20 years' worth of stuff from Garry's Mod, I watch in shock, thinking why it continues to hurt and discourage its fans."

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RiseNShine2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The irony that some of the most disgusting business practices come from companies like Disney or Nintendo, i can't even begin to understand what terrible damage was Garrys Mod making to Nintendo bottom line, imho they're getting pretty nervous about where they're heading in the future, handhelds are no longer something exclusive to Nintendo, from Steam Deck to many others, now you can play the latest games and pay a fraction of the price on Steam sales, so it's up to their exclusives, which just on their own would make hard to justify purchasing a closed overpriced hardware with outrageous price policies (Super Mario Odyssey is still 60 euro 6 years later!), and as a home console they're always underperforming compared to Sony or Xbox.

gold_drake2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

i cam guarantee you, that their exclusives alone is what drives switch sales. they sell in the 10s of millions of copies.

nintendo created their franchises to be sort of nostalgia driven, exclusive only on nintendo.

people will always buy the pkmn games as they always bring in new younger fans amd is family friendly

mario kart, the same thing, mario games in general.

zelda games are system sellers. animal crossing for the casual gamers.

nintendo doesnt need third vame devs essentially. they made sure with the switch and the limitations that they looked more to pc ps and xbox.

its sad, but nintendo is more than fine with what they're doing. they positioned themselves to appeal to the more casual gamers.

but to your point, im not sure why they're doing this rly.

Inverno2d ago

Look at how they handled Nintendo games being streamed or uploaded on YouTube in the past. They killed Yuzu and Citra even when they had nothing to do with ToTK being leaked, not to mention it was basically unplayable on emulation the week it was leaked. Smash Bros tournament, that was fairly recent. They shut down their online services without any care for purchases made. I bought a switch after skipping their last 2 consoles and handhelds but I don't plan on buying anything Nintendo in the future. They take things to the extremes, they legitimately hate their fans. They're honestly right up there with the likes of Acti, EA, and Ubi, only difference is that they disguise themselves as being family friendly all the while being shady.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest6d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN6d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan5d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor5d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic5d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv725d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts5d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares6d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv726d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka6d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion6d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer6d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow16d ago (Edited 6d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer5d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn6d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18816d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast6d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning776d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole5d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning776d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning775d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast5d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning775d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast5d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv726d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes6d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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