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Rumor: SteamOS Locked Out By Windows 10 Secure Boot Rules

Consumers may not have the choice to dual boot their computers to Windows 10 or SteamOS anymore.

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uth113743d ago

If this is true, then I'm never upgrading to Win 10. I need to run Linux.

TurboGamer3743d ago

I run my Fedora 21 in VirtualBox.

Qrphe3743d ago

I sure hope you don't run Steam nor your games through that

nitus103742d ago

I run Fedora 21 as my native OS and don't dual boot. If I need MS Windows I use VirtualBox although it was over two years ago since I last fired it up so I don't miss it.

If you are really into PC gaming (ie. "Games for Windows") then I would recommend MS Windows as your primary OS. Personally I am not into PC gaming preferring console gaming instead although I don't mind firing up an emulator (native to Linux of course) now and then.

NuggetsOfGod3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

All the lil xbox fans disagree that u need linux. Not to many pc gamers are Microsoft devotees.

In a lil over a year linux past 1000 games!

Vulkan + linux ftw!

Microsoft will keep trying to go up against the open source nature of pc.

Keep trying lol

Other than familiarity with dx12 devs have little reason to be limited to windows.

Seeing that ps4 is in the lead why would devs not use Vulkan for pc,ps,xbox,android,ios?

Dx12 should be limited to xbox 1st part games.

We don't need directx anymore.

Unreal 4, unity 5, source 2 support linux this is a new generation.

All we need now is adobe, autodesk etc on board.

kingduqc3743d ago

people disagree that you need linux.

lel

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kingduqc3743d ago

@n4gamingm

Go tell that to 85% of the servers in the world, the super computers and Microsoft who are bringing linux features 6 to 10 years late. But yeah, it's "crap"

NecotheSergal3743d ago

While it is sad people disagree about the linux part. I think people are disagreeing with him because he says he NEEDS to run Linux? And that not upgrading to Windows 10 just seems like a really stupid move, especially where it's going to be free even to PIRATES...

If you're gonna go Linux and cry about a Free upgrade for Windows, just go Linux 100% then - or a Different Linux OS.

RealityModeler3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

@kingduqc, maybe you're late to hearing about how much more vulnerable other OSes are now compared with Windows,

http://betanews.com/2015/02...

The only reason Linux has had any desirable features first is because it is quicker to add parts to Frankenstein rather than birth and grow a regular body. I've used Linux since 96 though I always loathe it, especially as a desktop OS.

Edit: OK, I admit I did actually like Linux for playing with 3D desktops.

sovkhan3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

@Reality

This is Ms Bs and you fall for it...

Linux vulnerabilities are well documented and quickly fixed.

Unlike Windows ones, that are there in all secrecy ...
Didn't you hear until recently that the NSA used 'em to spy on people?

And Ms is not gonna shout it to the world when they are discovered. They fixed 'em, if at all, and that's it.

Neither seen nor known!!!

RealityModeler3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

@sovkhan (or "Ms BS", if you prefer that name =), I think the BS is in people claiming tinfoil hat excuses because they have nothing else (you even basically say that with the comment "Neither seen nor known!!!"). Post links with real proof significant enough to change my mind. I think forked "Daemonic" ("daemon run") "NIX" OSes are only good for back and forth backdoor exploiting, which is to say I don't think they're good at all. It is ironic that you claim MS is bad about backdoor exploiting while that NIX OSes are known for it. I suppose I am not interested in NIX OSes because I don't like spending my time sniffing for open backdoors to put my code into.

uth113743d ago

I do need to run Linux for my job. The only reason I have Windows at all is for certain games. If I'm forced to choose, Windows gets to boot, or gets relegated to running in virtualbox.

The disagrees just show ignorance, Not particularly shocking.

sovkhan3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

@Reality
There are plenty of proofs outta there, here are some, google the rest :
http://www.technobuffalo.co...

http://news.softpedia.com/n...

http://thehackernews.com/20...

Zeref3743d ago

It's bullshit. Who the hell NEEDS Linux? Except for maybe military purposes.

sjaakiejj3742d ago

@reality

Read the small notes in that article:

"While it is the vulnerabilities linked to individual operating systems that are probably most attention-grabbing, the main problem still lies with third-party software. 83 percent of reported vulnerabilities were to be found in applications, compared to 13 percent in OSes and 4 percent in hardware."

These are third party vulnerabilities presented as if they were related to the operating system itself. Aside from that, there is some truth to what sovkhan said as well - Linux vulnerabilities are well documented since it's an open-source system, Windows vulnerabilities are kept internal at Microsoft, skewing the data, and basically rendering the article useless.

nitus103742d ago

@Zeref

>> It's bullshit. Who the hell NEEDS Linux? Except for maybe military purposes.

Err! A billion android users would like to have a word with you.

@n4gamingm

>> Linux is crap.

Well that was a well put in three words no less. I am sure all professional IT people will take head of those pearls of wisdom.

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pop-voxuli3743d ago

No, you dont "NEED" to run linux.

uth113743d ago

I do, due to my work. I don't need Windows.

Apollosupreme3742d ago (Edited 3742d ago )

So a lot of people who are on Windows machines boot Steam OS as well? Unless I'm mistaken, Steam will work fine on a Windows 10 machine, you just won't be able to run Steam OS. For me I don't see this being a thing... But I get how it would suck for users who like running Steam OS and if I were them I'd hold off on Windows 10.

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Sensiblesteve3743d ago (Edited 3743d ago )

would be great drama on here if its true

Sonital3743d ago

Well seeing as <10% of Steam gamers are using Linux and Xbox/PS Gamers don't have much of a say...I'm not sure why there would be a great drama?

DeadlyFire3743d ago

Indeed.

They are just assuming Steam = SteamOS and so on.

Which is not the case. Steam as an application and SteamOS as an OS are two different things that some will never understand.

Still though its not likely we will see Windows exclusive games or SteamOS exclusive games. So it wouldn't change anything. As well they have pretty much stated at Valve they do not care to do that. Microsoft might try one or two things though with their Ips. Valve has no intention of a full run of Linux push. They are just grinding in a slow build up of Linux. Nothing extreme. Not quite sure how that will work out for them yet.

plsburydoughboy3743d ago

I hope so, of course we're waiting for Microsoft to clarify. If you find somewhere that Phil Spencer or Aaron Greenberg or Satya Nadella has said no, please message me!

wakeNbake3743d ago

Who cares windows 10 might just be the best one since XP.

ABBAJESUS3743d ago

OS telling you what you can and cannot do with your system is okay? I wish that in future we have more freedom than boundaries.

Lennoxb633743d ago

Um last I checked, every OS has some restrictions on what you can and cannot do. Tbh, everything digital has some restrictions.

uth113742d ago

It would be one thing if PC hardware was cranked out by Microsoft, and they had a claim of ownership of it, like console platform holders do with their consoles.

But they don't, PC has always been an open platform, created by Intel and IBM, and has always been capable of running many, many operating systems.

But Microsoft has long tried stuff like this. They get PC manufactures to pay a windows license even when they sell a machine that doesn't run windows. But the consumer generally can't transfer that windows license (that they PAID for) to a different PC that might need an upgrade. Complete rip-off.

If they try it, maybe they'll lose another anti-trust suit, seeing how they haven't learned anything from the first one! I thought maybe they were changing after the departure of Ballmer and Gates, but guess not.

awi59513743d ago

Nope its vista all over again if not they wouldnt have locked the new direct x to it.

SteamPowered3743d ago

I don't really think this article has any credence whatsoever. If it is true though I will gladly install the free SteamOS in all my pcs except one. I use my rigs for gaming rather than word or excel.

joeorc3743d ago

It does:

http://www.zdnet.com/articl...

been that way since 2011 disclaimer about the secure Bios Microsoft was going to Use.

Yes this is in fact True, but the hardware companies can put into the Bios to turn it off, you have to check the Mob for such functionality. Or use something like a Odroid or example of a Micro Pico itx .Mobo

This is not a shocker in the slightest, been that way for a while.

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer1d 2h ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole20h ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK14h ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent753h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM9h ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif7h ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer3h ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin3h ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Agent753h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer3h ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

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Fishy Fingers1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer1d 1h ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

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HyperMoused1d 1h ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher1d 1h ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning7721h ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay8h ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer3h ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain19d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198119d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK18d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts18d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK18d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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SteamOS seems to destroy Windows 11 on gaming performance and battery life, as well as usability

The first direct and natively supported comparison between identical Windows 11 and SteamOS gaming hardware is here. And it's pretty much a bloodbath for Microsoft.

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Terry_B19d ago

"And it's pretty much a bloodbath for Microsoft."

OOOKAY! ..Interesting choice of words for that topic lol

ocelot0719d ago

Maybe a bit extreme lol. But it's really interesting. Seen one or two videos of Forza Horizon 5. One of the testers used a low end Rx 6500 xt GPU. Using windows FH5 got a average of 62fps fairly respectable. But the same setup using Steam OS using the same settings FH5 got a average of 94fps. Thats a massive gain.

ZycoFox18d ago

Racing games are pretty much always easy to run though. Look at the more demanding ones, 5-13fps gain, not bad but if you already have a decent PC to begin with those gains are small. For a handheld though I guess any boost is a decent boost.

MastaMold19d ago

Yup I would also say that the last time a Windows operating system was good was Windows XP

Software_Lover19d ago

Its an O.S. built SPECIFICALLY for gaming. Am I missing something???

Inverno19d ago

It has basic Linux in it, and you can stuff it with the Linux equivalent of all the apps your casual PC user uses on Windows. The Steam portion of it basically acts like Steam Bug Picture mode which it loads up automatically to that for a more console like experience. It isn't JUST made for gaming.

crazyCoconuts18d ago

And anyone that has tried to extend the life of PCs knows the best way to improve the performance is to replace Windows with Linux

Amplitude18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

@crazyCoconuts:
I dunno, man. I switched to Pop OS exclusively about two weeks ago and when it comes to games i've gotta say i'm a bit disappointed. I had to stop playing A Plague Tale Requiem because i was getting a fluctuating 15-20fps. On Windows I was around 45fps, letting me lock down a perfect 30. With RT. Even Ghost of Tsushima, which i had running at a perfectly locked 60 in Windows, chugged with Proton on the same settings. I had to turn on DLSS Frame Gen to achieve anything even slightly playable (while still looking nice). I really don't like the look of frame gen, not gonna lie. Had to stop playing that as well.

Even RPCS3, which one would assume would run better in Linux, is noticeably worse. Siren Blood Curse chugs like crazy in the split screen segments when it otherwise never did. Plus HDR just isn't possible. I'll say the mandatory UE4 shader compilation step does solve the stutters that otherwise destroy Windows games, though. That's one plus. Needs some work, though. Maybe native Linux games are better.

Still worth it to get away from Microsoft tracking my every move and throwing ads at me every chance they can. Plus it looks CLEAN as hell. Likely never going back to Windows.

crazyCoconuts18d ago

@amp, yeah totally agree. While Linux as an OS is clearly leaner and faster, as long as we're relying on compatibility layers for games, things can get squirrelly on a case by case basis. Publishers need more Linux gamers to justify a separate build target, so it's kinda a chicken and egg problem right now

badz14918d ago

@Sorftware_Lover

Aren't you forgetting the fact that almost all games are "made for Windows"?

crazyCoconuts18d ago

It would be a long road, but that could change. At least a start would be ensuring all games run under proton. Eventually moving away from DirectX. That's probably wishful thinking though

Petebloodyonion19d ago

Should we be surprised?
Steam OS is built solely for gaming, whereas Windows 11 is packed with numerous security features and various overall processes.

Inverno19d ago

I switched to Mint couple months back and it was the best decision I made. Turns out my laptop isn't a complete POS, Windows is. Windows has been a complete headache since I got my laptops a few years back and Linux fixes all those problems. I don't even game on my laptop, I just use it for basic stuff and I cannot recommend switching enough.

badz14918d ago

having the same problems right now with no way back. I have been refusing W11 upgrades all this times with my PC and laptop at home - both Ryzens. but suddenly last week, both of them started to have stability issues for no reason.

the PC with RX6600XT connected to a TV keep crashing and losing display, where I had to keep reinstalling the Radeon software after each reset but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the HDMI audio working anymore despite it has been working fine all this time. the laptop was even worst, it abruptly crashed while I was using MS word and listening to music on YT and then never able to recover again. the Asus recovery, startup repair, restore point, reset windows...nothing worked!

for the PC, I said "F it" and proceeded to W11 upgrade. didn't take long and would you look at that, the Radeon software and HDMI audio working fine from the first boot. this made me think, do MS and AMD have some deal in the back, forcing users to upgrade by purposely messing up their drivers? on the other hand, my laptop was beyond saving, so I fresh installed Windows using USB. thing was, I forgot the USB installer I used was for Win11 not Win10 as I helped a friend build a PC last couple of months and he wanted W11. and yeah my laptop works now.

BUT these don't feel like upgrades at all! they both work but they are noticeably SLOWER than they were when I was on W10! like WTF MS?? it's official that W11 is a bloated, unoptimized mess of an OS that is hiding its flaws behind fast hardware!

CantThinkOfAUsername18d ago

By any chance, did you update Windows 10 recently? The May 13th update, dubbed 'The last security update for Windows 10,' is bricking a lot of Windows 10 PCs (including mine) to force people to upgrade to Windows 11.

badz14918d ago

@CantThinkOfUsername

yeah...I think I might have installed it without knowing. I remember reading about it but it completely skipped my mind at the time. shaddy as hell!

babadivad18d ago

I really don't like Windows 11. If you use an external HDD, it will literally stall out Windows Explorer everytime you open it. It will freeze your PC until the external drive wakes up and spins up.

It does this even when you aren't trying to access anything on the drive. It's so freaking annoying.

Windows 10 didn't have this issue and Windows 8.1 was even better. Windows has been getting progressively slower for a while.

They need to get the Windows 8.1 team to speed this thing up. It has nice features, but it has bogged down the OS.

Features shouldn't use resources unless they are requested.

blacktiger18d ago

All corporations under same investors do that, release virus, broken drivers. That's why I hate Windows update cause they fk up on purpose

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